Re: [opensuse-factory] Grub-entries, partitioning differences between 10.2 > 10.3.

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Rajko M. schreef:
> On Wednesday 23 May 2007 14:05, M9. wrote:
>> M9. schreef:
>>> I must say that it is very difficult to handle, because when an entry in
>>> grub does not work, because 10.2 reads different as 10.3, it is
>>> impossible to mount a 10.3 ext2 /boot partition, in the 10.2 partitioner.
>>> This way the working entry can not be copied, and placed into the grub.
>>> (and i do not know it from my head)
>>> So i have an unusable 10.3 sitting there..
>>>
>>> does someone know a hack to mount this partition anyway?
>> in the 10.2 grub is written: title openSUSE 10.3 (/dev/hdd7)
>> It is the second hdd, is called now /dev/sdb, or what?
>> then i know to call it /dev/sdd7, so it will work..
>>
>> thnx
>
> Look in thread "kernel update brake the boot" by jdd from Tuesday.
> My second mail offers solution how to boot 10.3 from 10.2 boot loader.
> It works here.
>

Ah, yes right..thnx ;-)

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Grub-entries, partitioning differences between 10.2 > 10.3.

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M9. schreef:
> 
> 
> Rajko M. schreef:
>> On Wednesday 23 May 2007 14:05, M9. wrote:
>>> M9. schreef:

>>> in the 10.2 grub is written: title openSUSE 10.3 (/dev/hdd7)
>>> It is the second hdd, is called now /dev/sdb, or what?
>>> then i know to call it /dev/sdd7, so it will work..
>>>
>>> thnx
>> Look in thread "kernel update brake the boot" by jdd from Tuesday.
>> My second mail offers solution how to boot 10.3 from 10.2 boot loader.
>> It works here.
> 
> 
> Ah, yes right..thnx ;-)

Well, it is not quite the same, because i have to know how a second HDD
is called now, take a look at my list, and see what i mean:


# Modified by YaST2. Last modification on Wed May 23 20:10:48 CEST 2007
default 0
timeout 8
gfxmenu (hd1,13)/boot/message

title openSUSE 10.2 - 2.6.18.8-0.3
root (hd1,13)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18.8-0.3-default root=/dev/hdd14 vga=0x31a
resume=/dev/hdd13 splash=silent showopts
initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.18.8-0.3-default

title Failsafe -- openSUSE 10.2 - 2.6.18.8-0.3
root (hd1,13)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18.8-0.3-default root=/dev/hdd14 vga=normal
showopts ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off noresume edd=off
initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.18.8-0.3-default

###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: openSUSE
10.3 (/dev/hdd7)###
title openSUSE 10.3 (/dev/hdd7)
kernel (hd1,6)/vmlinuz-2.6.21-8-default
root=/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_ST380021A_3HV4E5VM-part8 vga=0x31a
resume=/dev/sdb14 splash=silent showopts
initrd (hd1,6)/initrd-2.6.21-8-default

###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: windows###
title Windows
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
chainloader (hd0,0)+1

###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: floppy###
title Diskette
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
chainloader (fd0)+1




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Re: [opensuse-factory] Grub-entries, partitioning differences between 10.2 > 10.3.

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M9. schreef:
> 
> 
> M9. schreef:
> 
>> Rajko M. schreef:
>>> On Wednesday 23 May 2007 14:05, M9. wrote:
 M9. schreef:
> 
 in the 10.2 grub is written: title openSUSE 10.3 (/dev/hdd7)
 It is the second hdd, is called now /dev/sdb, or what?
 then i know to call it /dev/sdd7, so it will work..

 thnx
>>> Look in thread "kernel update brake the boot" by jdd from Tuesday.
>>> My second mail offers solution how to boot 10.3 from 10.2 boot loader.
>>> It works here.
> 
>> Ah, yes right..thnx ;-)
> 
> Well, it is not quite the same, because i have to know how a second HDD
> is called now, take a look at my list, and see what i mean:
> 
> 
> # Modified by YaST2. Last modification on Wed May 23 20:10:48 CEST 2007
> default 0
> timeout 8
> gfxmenu (hd1,13)/boot/message
> 
> title openSUSE 10.2 - 2.6.18.8-0.3
> root (hd1,13)
> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18.8-0.3-default root=/dev/hdd14 vga=0x31a
> resume=/dev/hdd13 splash=silent showopts
> initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.18.8-0.3-default
> 
> title Failsafe -- openSUSE 10.2 - 2.6.18.8-0.3
> root (hd1,13)
> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18.8-0.3-default root=/dev/hdd14 vga=normal
> showopts ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off noresume edd=off
> initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.18.8-0.3-default
> 
Here it is:

> ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: openSUSE
> 10.3 (/dev/hdd7)###
> 

title openSUSE 10.3 (/dev/hdd7)=wrong : must be: /dev/sdb7

> kernel (hd1,6)/vmlinuz-2.6.21-8-default
> root=/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_ST380021A_3HV4E5VM-part8 vga=0x31a

> [resume=/dev/sdb14]= wrong must be /dev/sdb7] splash=silent showopts
> initrd (hd1,6)/initrd-2.6.21-8-default
> 
> ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: windows###
> title Windows
> rootnoverify (hd0,0)
> chainloader (hd0,0)+1
> 
> ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: floppy###
> title Diskette
> rootnoverify (hd0,0)
> chainloader (fd0)+1
> 
> 
> 
> 
Now see if it is allright, thnx ;-)

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Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: swapfile during installation

[Steffen Winterfeldt]

The latest linuxrc (version 2.1.25) can create swap partitions and swap
files now. If you're going for swap files, you have to watch out not to
reformat the partition later yourself.

To give it a try even if you have lots of RAM, boot with 'addswap=-1'.

Swap file size is 1024 MB or whatever you pass with swap.size=N (N = size 
in MB).


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Re: [opensuse-factory] Alpha 4 DOS Partition ?

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Andreas Jaeger schreef:
> "Günther J. Niederwimmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I can't install Alpha 4 on a System with a small (500MB) DOS Partition
>> on /dev/sda1 ? The new installer like to resize the Partition. When I go to
>> manual  partitioning I have only EVMS Drives, after reformat the DOS
>> partition to a swap Partition I can install Alpha 4 and I found all my
>> partition in YaST2 Partitioning ?
>>
>> Is this a known Problem ?
>
> No need for a bugreport: There are quite some problems with EVMS - and
> we're removing it for Alpha5 again, it causes more trouble during
> development than it benefits the few openSUSE users that want it,
>
> Andreas

Does this mean: sda, becomes hda again? ( i found it strange that my ide
disks became scsi-sata devices...)

(if so i am glad, because there is also no backwards compatability
towards the old system.

It is not able to mount the partitions (with 10.3 repair) to the system
in 10.2.
as it is not from 10.2 > 10.3 (not able to mount an existing ext2
partition))
Trying to rewrite menu list did not succeed.
Screwing happened after installing 10.2, where there was allready 10.3 A4.
Even the installer from 10.3, is not able to start-up the installed
10.3, recognises the fs, but does not recognise the bootimages somehow...
Also RPM database maintaining, or rebuilding is not compatible..

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Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: swapfile during installation

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On 5/24/07, Steffen Winterfeldt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The latest linuxrc (version 2.1.25) can create swap partitions and swap
files now. If you're going for swap files, you have to watch out not to
reformat the partition later yourself.


What is the "linuxrc" ?

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Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: swapfile during installation

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On Thu, 24 May 2007, Alexey Eremenko wrote:

> On 5/24/07, Steffen Winterfeldt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The latest linuxrc (version 2.1.25) can create swap partitions and swap
> > files now. If you're going for swap files, you have to watch out not to
> > reformat the partition later yourself.
> 
> What is the "linuxrc" ?

http://en.opensuse.org/Linuxrc


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Re: [opensuse-factory] Alpha 4 DOS Partition ?

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M9. schreef:
> 
> 
> Andreas Jaeger schreef:

>> No need for a bugreport: There are quite some problems with EVMS - and
>> we're removing it for Alpha5 again, it causes more trouble during
>> development than it benefits the few openSUSE users that want it,
> 
>> Andreas
> 
> Does this mean: sda, becomes hda again? ( i found it strange that my ide
> disks became scsi-sata devices...)
> 
> (if so i am glad, because there is also no backwards compatability
> towards the old system.
> 
> It is not able to mount the partitions (with 10.3 repair) to the system
> in 10.2.
> as it is not from 10.2 > 10.3 (not able to mount an existing ext2
> partition))
> Trying to rewrite menu list did not succeed.
> Screwing happened after installing 10.2, where there was allready 10.3 A4.
> Even the installer from 10.3, is not able to start-up the installed
> 10.3, recognises the fs, but does not recognise the bootimages somehow...
> Also RPM database maintaining, or rebuilding is not compatible..

I just tried to mount the partitions from 10.3 again, because i was not
content not being able to read them, (i need the proper grub entry) and
i succeeded.
Even the ext2 /boot partition could be mounted as /data2, other
partitions as an old /home and / could now be mounted, all as
/data1,2,3,4, etc.

When checking the entrance in the menu-list, it was the same as the
entry that did not work, and it still does not.
Grub keeps complaining about ext2 partition (my boot partition is and
was allways ext2), and can not find file..

(much time wasted allready..)



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Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: swapfile during installation

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Steffen Winterfeldt schreef:
> On Thu, 24 May 2007, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
>
>> On 5/24/07, Steffen Winterfeldt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> The latest linuxrc (version 2.1.25) can create swap partitions and swap
>>> files now. If you're going for swap files, you have to watch out not to
>>> reformat the partition later yourself.
>> What is the "linuxrc" ?
>
> http://en.opensuse.org/Linuxrc
>

But we have to wait until it is implemented into say 10.3 Alpha5 before
we can use it?
(or we have to remaster an install cd, or dvd?)


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Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: swapfile during installation

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>> On 5/24/07, Steffen Winterfeldt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> The latest linuxrc (version 2.1.25) can create swap partitions and swap
>>> files now. If you're going for swap files, you have to watch out not to
>>> reformat the partition later yourself.
>> What is the "linuxrc" ?
>
> http://en.opensuse.org/Linuxrc


But we need to create swap-on-NTFS, which will require addition of
ntfs-3g to the openSUSE Linux and modifications to initrd.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: swapfile during installation

[Steffen Winterfeldt]

On Thu, 24 May 2007, Alexey Eremenko wrote:

> > > > On 5/24/07, Steffen Winterfeldt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > The latest linuxrc (version 2.1.25) can create swap partitions and
> > > > > swap
> > > > > files now. If you're going for swap files, you have to watch out not
> > > > > to
> > > > > reformat the partition later yourself.
> > > > What is the "linuxrc" ?
> > >
> > > http://en.opensuse.org/Linuxrc
> 
> But we need to create swap-on-NTFS, which will require addition of
> ntfs-3g to the openSUSE Linux and modifications to initrd.

That's completely independent and nothing I have control over.

You can of course make a driver update CD and get whatever ntfs experiments
you like going.


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[opensuse-factory] Making Basic Utilities work under normal user

[Alexey Eremenko]

Hi all !

Basic utilities such as "ifconfig" do not work under user account, but
only under root.

This problem doesn't happens in other distros. This is because normal
user has no /sbin on it's $PATH.

I think we should add
export PATH=/sbin;$PATH
To skeleton user account to fix this.

What do you think?

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Making Basic Utilities work under normal user

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On 24/05/07, Alexey Eremenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi all !

Basic utilities such as "ifconfig" do not work under user account, but
only under root.


ifconfig has been deprecated for years and only still included so that
scripts don't break afaik.

Use "ip" which is in the normal users' path and provides a superset of
the functionality of ifconfig.

This doesn't preclude adding sbin to users' path for other reasons though.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Multimedia and Media Center patterns and optimizing

[Benji Weber]

On 16/05/07, M9. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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Terje J. Hanssen schreef:
> No much response so far about this.
> Isn't here interest and a chance to get the new patterns for Media Center
> and A/V multimedia applications in 10.3, to provide an alternative to
> typical the upcoming Windows Home Server and Ubuntu Studio?
>
> Terje J. Hanssen

Not that i can do much about it, but i certainly would welcome a
complete multimedia pattern.
I allways have to add all these pkgs by myself, not a big problem, but
'comfort serves mankind'
(tried xdvdshrinker last week. works OK, and also simple)

How to realize that without third party codecs, could be done with the
Yast-patch by Benji Weber: YaST meta-package module.
If accepted.
libdvdcss is also needed, i allways have a tar around, because i was not
able to find them anymore free on the net..(might be my mistake..)

Maybe Benji would like to create this 'pattern' in cooperation, to get
all the pkgs needed, in his module..

@Benji, do you feel for it? ( i think y're module will get a more
grown-up image with this change..)


Making patterns or metapackages is not hard, you could help by
compiling a list of packages which should be installed for a full
multimedia experience. Separate lists for KDE and gnome would be good.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Multimedia and Media Center patterns and optimizing

[Benji Weber]

On 17/05/07, Birger Kollstrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

IS this realy the general consensus? And if so, is it the users needs
that are being considered?

That there is no interest in adding anything regarding multimedia
because there "might" be a problem somwhere? I would gladly pay a fee
each month (like Mandrivas solution) to Novell/openSUSE if I got
access to certain closed products i need. That would also help
openSUSE and maybe make openSUSE more "free" from the corporate goals
of Novell.
Please , if the "all SW has to be GPL" fanatics run out, I will not
even consider replying.


There is no technical problem with including non-free software, there
are already several non-free packages. e.g acroread, flash player, ms
fonts etc. There is even mp3 support included in the non-free helix
plugin.

The problem arises when you want to include GPLed software which
infringes the mp3 or other patents. It is not possible for Novell to
legally both comply with the GPL and with the software patent. Even if
Novell were to licence the MP3 patent they could not distribute GPLed
software which infringes it, unless they could obtain a licence for
all future distributees. See section 7 of the GPL.

"For example, if a patent license would not permit royalty-free
redistribution of the Program by all those who receive copies directly
or indirectly through you, then the only way you could satisfy both it
and this License would be to refrain entirely from distribution of the
Program."

Multimedia support is already included via non-free software. Many
people want multimedia support in their free software too, but Novell
cannot legally do this due to the patent law in the US and the GPL.



I would expect it to be an approach to find solutions to this problem
rather than to roll over and play dead.


Solution is to abolish the US patent system. Unfortunately as Novell
is an American company and not based in a more enlightened part of the
world they are subject to patent issues.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Multimedia and Media Center patterns and optimizing

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> I'll add to my initial list some basic tools and libs often mentioned to
> grab (import), convert and export DV/HDV, and to author and create DVDs:
> 
> dvgrab w/patch [1703694] to Add full HDV support (according to message
> on the cinelerra list)
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1703694&group_id=14103&atid=314103
> ffmpeg
> mjpegtools
> 
> dvd+rw-tools
> tkdvd (gui)
> dvd-slideshow
> dvdbackup
> dvdauthor
> qdvdauthor (gui)
> lsdvd
> 
> lib*1394
> libiec61883 (w/test-mpeg2)
> libmpeg2
> libdvd*
> 
> 
> Terje J. Hanssen

In the guru/packman are all pkgs for amarok, and w32codec-all, libdvdcss
There is xdvdshrink, and some libs: madlib
The xvid, and divx creators.
And their deps.

http://packman.mirrors.skynet.be/pub/packman/suse/10.2/

this mirror is realy fast.



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Re: [opensuse-factory] Multimedia and Media Center patterns and optimizing

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> On 17/05/07, Birger Kollstrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> IS this realy the general consensus? And if so, is it the users needs
>> that are being considered?
>>
>> That there is no interest in adding anything regarding multimedia
>> because there "might" be a problem somwhere? I would gladly pay a fee
>> each month (like Mandrivas solution) to Novell/openSUSE if I got
>> access to certain closed products i need. That would also help
>> openSUSE and maybe make openSUSE more "free" from the corporate goals
>> of Novell.
>> Please , if the "all SW has to be GPL" fanatics run out, I will not
>> even consider replying.
>
> There is no technical problem with including non-free software, there
> are already several non-free packages. e.g acroread, flash player, ms
> fonts etc. There is even mp3 support included in the non-free helix
> plugin.
>
> The problem arises when you want to include GPLed software which
> infringes the mp3 or other patents. It is not possible for Novell to
> legally both comply with the GPL and with the software patent. Even if
> Novell were to licence the MP3 patent they could not distribute GPLed
> software which infringes it, unless they could obtain a licence for
> all future distributees. See section 7 of the GPL.
>
> "For example, if a patent license would not permit royalty-free
> redistribution of the Program by all those who receive copies directly
> or indirectly through you, then the only way you could satisfy both it
> and this License would be to refrain entirely from distribution of the
> Program."
>
> Multimedia support is already included via non-free software. Many
> people want multimedia support in their free software too, but Novell
> cannot legally do this due to the patent law in the US and the GPL.
>
>
>> I would expect it to be an approach to find solutions to this problem
>> rather than to roll over and play dead.
>
> Solution is to abolish the US patent system. Unfortunately as Novell
> is an American company and not based in a more enlightened part of the
> world they are subject to patent issues.
>
> _
> Benjamin Weber

Common people, like myself, are not part of Novell, i can add apps and
pkgs to my personal used OS?
So can other 'free' people, who know that everything has to be equaly
shared...
Why do we have to share the bad things: pollution, disseases,
macdonalds, (oeps..not free!!) global warming, but not the good things,
like movies and music?

The bad things are free, and for the good things we have to pay?
(exeption ofcourse oss..:-))

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Making Basic Utilities work under normal user

[jdd]

Benji Weber wrote:

On 24/05/07, Alexey Eremenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi all !

Basic utilities such as "ifconfig" do not work under user account, but
only under root.


ifconfig has been deprecated for years and only still included so that
scripts don't break afaik.

Use "ip" which is in the normal users' path and provides a superset of
the functionality of ifconfig.

This doesn't preclude adding sbin to users' path for other reasons though.


/sbin/ifconfig works most of the time, when IP never works without 
obscure options...


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Re: [opensuse-factory] Making Basic Utilities work under normal user

[Druid]

>
> This doesn't preclude adding sbin to users' path for other reasons though.

/sbin/ifconfig works most of the time, when IP never works without
obscure options...



this argument is beyond silly... "ip a" show the same infos as "ifconfig".
Time for you to start reading some documentation.

Additionaly, a read about the FHS and sbin directories usage is also recommended

Do not say its not working when in fact, it is.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Multimedia and Media Center patterns and optimizing

[Terje J. Hanssen]

Benji Weber wrote:
> On 16/05/07, M9. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>
>>
>> Terje J. Hanssen schreef:
>> > No much response so far about this.
>> > Isn't here interest and a chance to get the new patterns for Media
>> Center
>> > and A/V multimedia applications in 10.3, to provide an alternative to
>> > typical the upcoming Windows Home Server and Ubuntu Studio?
>> >
>> > Terje J. Hanssen
>>
>> Not that i can do much about it, but i certainly would welcome a
>> complete multimedia pattern.
>> I allways have to add all these pkgs by myself, not a big problem, but
>> 'comfort serves mankind'
>> (tried xdvdshrinker last week. works OK, and also simple)
>>
>> How to realize that without third party codecs, could be done with the
>> Yast-patch by Benji Weber: YaST meta-package module.
>> If accepted.
>> libdvdcss is also needed, i allways have a tar around, because i was not
>> able to find them anymore free on the net..(might be my mistake..)
>>
>> Maybe Benji would like to create this 'pattern' in cooperation, to get
>> all the pkgs needed, in his module..
>>
>> @Benji, do you feel for it? ( i think y're module will get a more
>> grown-up image with this change..)
>
> Making patterns or metapackages is not hard, you could help by
> compiling a list of packages which should be installed for a full
> multimedia experience. Separate lists for KDE and gnome would be good.
>

For me it does less matter where the packages really become installed
from or who build or support them. Packman does a great job to build and
make most of them available, and I have already tried to install many of
them from there. What is most important as I see it, is to

1) have the optional install patterns available with possibly YaST
presetup, so that multimedia and media center packages become as easy to
install as office packages, and preferably do work right out of the box
(turnkey). As an example I've tried to install Ardour2 and its required
JACK and optional qtjackctl. For one or another reason Jackd won't start
on my i586 system, while it runs ok in x86_64 on a Xeon workstation.
I've also discussed this with packman.
Audio-Video tools closer to the hardware, may also need some optimized
kernels, just like Ubuntu Studio includes a low-latency kernel for Audio
and Ardour2 I guess.

2) Can it be an idea and solution to place possibly non-GPLed packages
on the non-OSS CD, so that the users has to select them as optionally
and accept possibly restricted licenses and use?
 
3) As an example I've heard that generating/encoding mpeg video files
(typical with ffmeg) strictly should require a $2 license once to be
paid by the user. I myself should gladly pay this minor license if this
will support in finally getting a prosumer working video editing
environment on Linux. On the other hand I'm not sure this license is
really required for native HDV editing. When an user buy i.e a Sony HDV
Camcorder to record HDV (mpeg2), I expect this video file is free to be
captured on harddisk, natively edited in Cinelerra and burned to DVD or
Blu-Ray, the whole process within mpeg without decoding or encoding, or
not more than from mpeg2 to mpeg4.

4) I also think it will be a mistake if openSUSE doesn't take this
opportunity to provide attractive multimedia and media center
environments. Many users like myself do require more from Linux desktops
than plain office applications. The hardware developement invites just
to utilize these possibilities even on standard Santa Rosa laptops
(GM965, GMA X3100, ClearVideo), something the competitors obviously
already have discovered.


Rgds,
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Re: [opensuse-factory] How can we support better Virtualization in openSUSE ?

[Sid Boyce]

Sid Boyce wrote:

Keith Goggin wrote:

On Sunday 20 May 2007 12:40, Sid Boyce wrote:

Alexey Eremenko wrote:

hi all !

I wrote an article about different types of Virtualization here:
http://www.violtan.com/ae/virtualization.html

This article describes 4 stages of Virtualization: Emulation, Full
Virtualization, Para-Virtualization and OS-level Virtualization.

I believe that openSUSE must excel at all types of Virtualization.

Agreed, I've played with some of them. I've always found the concept
interesting and very useful in the enterprise ever since we at Amdahl
went down that road with full purpose back in the 1980's and stole a
decent temporary advantage over IBM. VM was waning and IBM didn't see a
future for Virtualization, they certainly never looked at doing it in
hardware and it was several years before PR/SM saw the light of day.


openSUSE did some progress in terms of Virtualization: namely we
consider integrating VirtualBox into openSUSE.

Just yesterday I tried building Virtualbox on x86_64, only to be greeted
with the message that's it's not likely to work on 64-bit any time soon,
so that is one serious drawback.
I also thought that VMWare had gone opensource, I tested a number of
their 6.0 Workstation Betas, now I find the 6.0 release is for purchase
only, so I'll leave that for the Corporates with deep pockets.


Until now openSUSE is too focused on Xen. Xen-centric approach is bad.
We need a wide array of technologies in openSUSE. Qemu and DOSbox
emulators are fortunately already included. openSUSE 10.3 kernel also
support USB-FS (allows for using USB in guest VMs) , KVM
(Qemu-accelerator) and VMI (kernel paravirtualization) each of these
technologies improve Virtualization further.

I only recently got a box capable of running KVM, modules kvm, kvm_amd
and kqemu are loaded, but I haven't gone beyond that so far.


I also find the concept of virtualisation interesting in fact it was 
the justification for my getting a new box. I have 10.3 Alpha 4 
installed so the kvm modules are there and I have read Alexey's 
article above but I haven't worked out how to go beyond that so far :-)



Who are the people responsible for virtualization efforts in openSUSE ?

Good question, very little has been seen on the list and it has all been
about Xen. Hopefully you have smoked a healthy discussion out into the
open.


I hope so too.
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That's also the reason I got a new box, as kvm reported no supported 
hardware found on the socket 939 64x2 box.
I shall have a look later at using kvm, that's if I don't have to spend 
too much time trying to sort out Windows for a sister's friend - that 
darn Bill gates again.
 From what I've read it seems you can download a pre-built image and run 
"qemu -hda ", man qemu for options.

Regards
Sid.


I just got around to trying kvm. I created a 40 Gig HD (/dev/hda).
# qemu-img create -f qcow /Mandriva.qcow 40G

Next booted from the Mandriva DVD iso
# qemu -cdrom /ISO/mandriva-linux-2007-spring-pwp-dvd-i586.iso -boot d 
/Mandriva.qcow


Install proceeded in the usual way, partitioning /dev/hda, formatting 
the partitions, etc. through to online updates. Automic reboot failed so 
boot had to be done manually via "qemu /Mandriva.qcow", it even starts 
the virtualbox daemon. It's a bit slow loading KDE, the default qemu CPU 
reported as a P-II 3Ghz/128Meg memory, real CPU is AM2 6000+ with 4Gig 
memory. Next boot I shall try setting SMP and 1 Gig memory to see the 
difference. Better still, I shall try a 64-bit distro instead.
On the XP2800+ box with 1 gig I have Virtualbox running freespire and 
kubuntu quite well. I'll have another go at installing the Digipup 
livecd with hamradio apps, I thought I'd successfully installed it the 
first time around, but found it was still only running as a livecd.

Regards
Sid.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Grub-entries, partitioning differences between 10.2 > 10.3.

[Rajko M.]

On Thursday 24 May 2007 04:45, M9. wrote:
> M9. schreef:
> > M9. schreef:
> >> Rajko M. schreef:
> >>> On Wednesday 23 May 2007 14:05, M9. wrote:
>  M9. schreef:
> 
>  in the 10.2 grub is written: title openSUSE 10.3 (/dev/hdd7)
>  It is the second hdd, is called now /dev/sdb, or what?
>  then i know to call it /dev/sdd7, so it will work..
> 
>  thnx
> >>>
> >>> Look in thread "kernel update brake the boot" by jdd from Tuesday.
> >>> My second mail offers solution how to boot 10.3 from 10.2 boot loader.
> >>> It works here.
> >>
> >> Ah, yes right..thnx ;-)
> >
> > Well, it is not quite the same, because i have to know how a second HDD
> > is called now, take a look at my list, and see what i mean:

/dev/sdb  

> >
> > # Modified by YaST2. Last modification on Wed May 23 20:10:48 CEST 2007
> > default 0
> > timeout 8
> > gfxmenu (hd1,13)/boot/message
> >
> > title openSUSE 10.2 - 2.6.18.8-0.3
> > root (hd1,13)
> > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18.8-0.3-default root=/dev/hdd14 vga=0x31a
> > resume=/dev/hdd13 splash=silent showopts
> > initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.18.8-0.3-default
> >
> > title Failsafe -- openSUSE 10.2 - 2.6.18.8-0.3
> > root (hd1,13)
> > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18.8-0.3-default root=/dev/hdd14 vga=normal
> > showopts ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off noresume edd=off
> > initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.18.8-0.3-default
>
> Here it is:
> > ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: openSUSE
> > 10.3 (/dev/hdd7)###
>
> title openSUSE 10.3 (/dev/hdd7)=wrong : must be: /dev/sdb7

Title is for YaST and I find easier to use editor built in Midnight Commander, 
so in my case it doesn't matter if there is no YaST comment at all. 

> > kernel (hd1,6)/vmlinuz-2.6.21-8-default
> > root=/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_ST380021A_3HV4E5VM-part8 vga=0x31a

/dev/sda7 will do it. 

> > [resume=/dev/sdb14]= wrong must be /dev/sdb7] splash=silent showopts
> > initrd (hd1,6)/initrd-2.6.21-8-default

The resume= where is stored RAM snapshot. Usually it is swap 
partition, but in multiboot systems where swap is used for more of them it is 
not safe place for snapshot. 

...
> Now see if it is allright, thnx ;-)

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Re: [opensuse-factory] How can we support better Virtualization in openSUSE ?

[Alexey Eremenko]

Are there any interested parties in OpenVZ ?

I had very basic success, but it goes with a lot of problems. If there
is someone to help me, we could integrate OpenVZ into openSUSE.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Making Basic Utilities work under normal user

[Jonathan Arsenault]

On Thu, 2007-05-24 at 16:05 +0100, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
> Hi all !
> 
> Basic utilities such as "ifconfig" do not work under user account, but
> only under root.
> 
> This problem doesn't happens in other distros. This is because normal
> user has no /sbin on it's $PATH.
> 
> I think we should add
> export PATH=/sbin;$PATH
> To skeleton user account to fix this.
> 
> What do you think?
> 

I think you need to read about the FHS a bit..

As designed, nothing to see move along.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Making Basic Utilities work under normal user

[Donn Washburn]

Jonathan Arsenault wrote:

On Thu, 2007-05-24 at 16:05 +0100, Alexey Eremenko wrote:

Hi all !

Basic utilities such as "ifconfig" do not work under user account, but
only under root.

This problem doesn't happens in other distros. This is because normal
user has no /sbin on it's $PATH.

I think we should add
export PATH=/sbin;$PATH
To skeleton user account to fix this.


I disagree with your statement that /sbin is only available to "root".
It can be obtained by a user with "> /sbin/ifconfig" by simply adding 
the complete path.  Also non System 5 unix distros ( like Debian based 
KNOPPIX and Ubuntu) have ruined the basic unix concept by destroying the 
value of root as being the all powerful user.  It was in the past 
thought of as root having complete control of the system without any 
permission problems.  Even to the point of complete eraser of the system 
(=> "rm -r *").  However, it was also assumed that this option was not 
available to the normal user ">".  Hence the different $PATH (echo 
$PATH) for root and a user.  Also "su" and "sudo" are not always equal 
to a real root user prompt "#".  They may come close but are not always 
the same as root.


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[opensuse-factory] Fixing the machine after kernel 2.6.21-10

[Silviu Marin-Caea]

I have updated my installation with this kernel from factory and it didn't 
boot anymore (it didn't see the hard-disk).

The problem that I'm most concerned about is not this.  What is much more 
serious is that I haven't been able to fix it to boot again.  Perhaps I 
didn't do the right things.  I'm gonna describe what I've tried, and if 
there's something more that could be done, please tell me.

1. Update the kernel 2.6.21-8 to 2.6.21-10, along with a good number of other 
packages (including hal)

2. Reboot, see that it doesn't work (it doesn't see the storage)

3. Look if the old kernel is still on disk.  It isn't.  Perhaps it should do a 
backup called vmlinuz-backup that gets overwritten at each update, so the 
directory doesn't become full of backups.

4. Decided to install back the old kernel with rpm --upgrade --force

5. boot the alpha4 DVD in rescue mode

6.
mkdir /tmp/local
mount /dev/sda4 /tmp/local
cp [...]/kernel-2.6.21-10[...].rpm /tmp/local
chroot /tmp/local
rpm --upgrade --force kernel-2.6.21-8[...].rpm
At which point I got a lot of errors, probably from the mkinitrd script that 
didn't see the hard-disk, because the device it's created dynamically at 
runtime, if I'm correct.

7. I have corrected grub/menu.lst by editing it and tried booting, but it gave 
the same error (not seeing the disk), probably because the initrd image is 
invalid.

I ended up doing a fresh reinstall.  This is not good.  Someone with enough 
knowledge should be able to fix this situation without reinstallation.

So either I don't have sufficient knowledge (easily fixable and not a 
distribution problem) or it can't be done--quite bad.

Which one is it?

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Fixing the machine after kernel 2.6.21-10

[Andreas Vetter]

On Fri, 25 May 2007, Silviu Marin-Caea wrote:

> I have updated my installation with this kernel from factory and it didn't 
> boot anymore (it didn't see the hard-disk).
> 
> The problem that I'm most concerned about is not this.  What is much more 
> serious is that I haven't been able to fix it to boot again.  Perhaps I 
> didn't do the right things.  I'm gonna describe what I've tried, and if 
> there's something more that could be done, please tell me.
> 
> 1. Update the kernel 2.6.21-8 to 2.6.21-10, along with a good number of other 
> packages (including hal)
> 
> 2. Reboot, see that it doesn't work (it doesn't see the storage)
> 
> 3. Look if the old kernel is still on disk.  It isn't.  Perhaps it should do 
> a 
> backup called vmlinuz-backup that gets overwritten at each update, so the 
> directory doesn't become full of backups.
> 
> 4. Decided to install back the old kernel with rpm --upgrade --force
> 
> 5. boot the alpha4 DVD in rescue mode
> 
> 6.
> mkdir /tmp/local
> mount /dev/sda4 /tmp/local
> cp [...]/kernel-2.6.21-10[...].rpm /tmp/local

Seems you forgot the 3 bind mounts before chrooting?

mount --bind /proc /tmp/local/proc
mount --bind /dev /tmp/local/dev
mount --bind /sys /tmp/local/sys


> chroot /tmp/local
> rpm --upgrade --force kernel-2.6.21-8[...].rpm
> At which point I got a lot of errors, probably from the mkinitrd script that 
> didn't see the hard-disk, because the device it's created dynamically at 
> runtime, if I'm correct.
> 
> 7. I have corrected grub/menu.lst by editing it and tried booting, but it 
> gave 
> the same error (not seeing the disk), probably because the initrd image is 
> invalid.
> 
> I ended up doing a fresh reinstall.  This is not good.  Someone with enough 
> knowledge should be able to fix this situation without reinstallation.
> 
> So either I don't have sufficient knowledge (easily fixable and not a 
> distribution problem) or it can't be done--quite bad.
> 
> Which one is it?

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