Re: [opensuse-factory] Currently no fglrx for factory?

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09-08-2006 15:20:08 >>>
>Hello,
>
>I just updated my experimental laptop to current factory and fglrx to
>8.27.10. It seems that I currently can't get the fglrx to work:
>When I run --buildpkg for 10.1, it complains that
>"module ABI majore versoin (0) doesn't match the server's
version(1)",
>when I build for 10.2, i complains that
>"... - detected X.org 7.2.-1.2, required X.org 7.1.0.0"
>
>Maybe it would be a good idea to make sure that this doesn't find its
>way into the Alpha3. Also, is there a way to work around this?
>

Hi,
 
maybe you can fake it with 
 export X_VERSION=x700 
in front of the buildpkg command.
 
trying to fake the detected version.


Greetings,
Dominique

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Re: [opensuse-factory] feature freeze dates for 10.2

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10-08-2006 14:45 >>>
>In order not to do again the mistakes made with the zen >update and 10.1, I think we should have _two_ feature freeze >dates...>>One for the _new things_ (patterns, Xorg 7...) and one for >the _new releases_ of already used things (Kde, Gnome)>>I think the latter are already tested by they developpers >when the first seems already in a very early stage.>>I'm disquieted by the "most annoying bugs" list and the _may >be_ delayed Alpha 3.>>I personnally think that a stable distribution is better .than the very most up to date one.
Hi,
 
I was also very concerned when I saw the 'most annoying bugs' list today (as I epxected Alpha 3).
The worst that can happen to openSUSE is having (again) a release with bugs like the updater in 10.1. Even though they are fixed now, it's still around and poeple installing without an internet connection most obviosuly run into it.
 
If the schedule for 10.2 should be kept like this (which I think it should) then we should try to put bugs away instead of adding last-minute-features and packages. Some might be solved with new packages, some might not.
 
Dominique

[opensuse-factory] Re: Introducing the new mailinglist server

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10-08-2006 19:36 >>>
>1.9 Reply-To munging>>We do not "munge" the mail headers by inserting a "Reply-To:>@opensuse.org" anymore because it makes it more difficult>subscribers to handle the mail the way they want to.  Your mail client>probably has a "reply" function as well as a "reply to all" or "reply to>list" one; Please use the latter if you want you message to go to the>list and not just to the original poster.
Hi,
 
That's in fact something I will really miss in the near future. It was so conveniant to be able just to reply to a message and not to worry that the reply went to the mailing list.
 
Most of the time exactlythis IS the requested feature. In very rare circumstances, users want and should reply to the auther itself. Even if it's about a technical question, a solution for a specific problem: still the community and future users might be interested in a solution, especially when googling, they might have chances to find it.
 
What do others think about this on that list?
 
Dominique

[opensuse-factory] List "Reply-To"

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> William Gallafent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11-08-2006 16:10 >>>
>On Friday 11 August 2006 13:53, houghi wrote:>> Just noticed that the "Reply-to" is now pointed to the> sender. Could this be adjusted so it is send to the list> as it was before?>>As far as I can see, there is no "Reply-To" header, in>either your message or Henne's.>>The list-related headers do seem to exist and to be set correctly:>>Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by mlmmj>X-Mailinglist: opensuse-factory>List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe:  >List-Unsubscribe:  >List-Owner: 
indeed, that is true. BUT: unfortunately not all mail clients respect these headers. Or to be more precise: most don't
That's why houghi (and also I) were pointing to that fact on the list.
 
And apparently, there are more users willing to have this set back.

Re: [opensuse-factory] List "Reply-To"

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> Henne Vogelsang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11-08-2006 16:52 >>>
>Hi,>>On Friday, August 11, 2006 at 15:18:50, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:> >>> William Gallafent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11-08-2006 16:10 >>>> >On Friday 11 August 2006 13:53, houghi wrote:> >> > Just noticed that the "Reply-to" is now pointed to the> > sender. Could this be adjusted so it is send to the list> > as it was before?> >> >As far as I can see, there is no "Reply-To" header, in> >either your message or Henne's.>> indeed, that is true. BUT: unfortunately not all mail clients respect> these headers. Or to be more precise: most don't That's why houghi> (and also I) were pointing to that fact on the list.>>Which mailer does not support it? >>kmail does>evolution does>mutt does>pine does>>Henne>
Your list of mailers far from being complete
 
Most readers here have probably a Linux installed, but not forced to use it to treat this mailinglist.
I for my part am using GroupWise (is also from Novell, just in case somebody wonders) and there this option just does not exist.
I'm not exactly sure anymore about Thunderbird though.

Re: [opensuse-factory] List "Reply-To"

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> Stefan Bogner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11-08-2006 16:57 >>>
>Am Freitag, 11. August 2006 15:54 schrieb Kevin Ivory:> thunderbird doesn't>>http://mailredirect.mozdev.org/>>Stefan
 
Thanks for this advise!
In this case, openSUSE should have this extension compiled in the packages. So all openSUSE users can profit from it.
 
 

Re: [opensuse-factory] List "Reply-To"

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> Kevin Ivory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11-08-2006 17:03 >>>
On 2006-08-11 15:57, Stefan Bogner wrote:> Am Freitag, 11. August 2006 15:54 schrieb Kevin Ivory:>> thunderbird doesn't> > http://mailredirect.mozdev.org/>>been there, done that.>I have mail redirect 0.7.4 installed. That tool is for bouncing>mails, not for "reply to list". I use it regularly.
I found an alternative and a very funny instruction page for a feature like this in ThunderBird.
http://open.nit.ca/wiki/index.php?page=ReplyToListThunderbirdExtension&5
 
Officially, it might work with Thunderbird 2.0, with a patch on the source a bit earlier.

Re: [opensuse-factory] List "Reply-To"

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> Susanne Oberhauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/14/06 5:04 PM >>>
>"Dominique Leuenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> I for my part am using GroupWise (is also from Novell, just in case
> somebody wonders) and there this option just does not exist. 
>
>It's in the works:  https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=145856
>

Nice to hear this. Not so nice is a link to a bug that's not public
accessible. But I'm sure it's about the correct fact.

So for what release of GroupWise might we expect something like this?
And even more interesting: Will GroupWise be able to keep track? I mean
in general GroupWise is destroying more or less ALL InterNet Mail
headers. Or did I just not find any of them?

Regards,
Dominique
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Rug and Factory

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> James Oakley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 15-08-2006 23:07:04 >>>
>On Tuesday 15 August 2006 4:57 pm, Mauro Parra wrote:> According to your mail, you missed the rug ref thingy. Please ref before> up.>>Still no joy:>>us:~ # rug ref>>Refreshing Services...>  >100%>>Successfully refreshed.>maus:~ # rug up>No updates are available.>maus:~ # rpm -q bash>bash-3.1-27>maus:~ # rug info bash>Catalog: >ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse>Name: bash>Version: 3.1-29>Arch: i586>Installed: No>Status: up-to-date>>>Note that ZMD *knows* that 3.1-29 is available, but still claims I'm up to >date.Hi,
 
I had a similiar experiance and then I noticed that the Arch was not the same as I'm running. Are you running a X86_64? The Bash it offers you being available seems only to be there for i586. 
 
I'm not sure what logic is inside rug to choose the Arch, as sometimes it installes i586 rpms on my machine and sometimes it denies it. Anybody some light on that spot?
 
Dominique

Re: [opensuse-factory] SuSEconfig clearance: SuSEconfig.gdm & SuSEconfig.wdm

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 Heiko Helmle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/21/06 2:10 PM >>>
>Christian Boltz wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Am Montag, 21. August 2006 11:11 schrieb Christoph Thiel:
>>> to proceed with the SuSEconfig clearance initiative, let's take a
>>> look at SuSEconfig.gdm and SuSEconfig.wdm. Both of them are used to
>>> (re)generate config files, by reading some options from
>>> /etc/sysconfig/*. To get rid of those SuSEconfig scripts, their
logic
>>> needs to be moved to
>>> /etc/init.d/xdm, to have it (re)generate the according config files
>>> prior to launching gdm or wdm.
>>>
>>> Comments, criticism, better ideas?
>> 
>> Generating config files every time *dm is started is a bad idea IMHO.

>> Reason: It is done _at every boot_ instead of "sometimes" after 
>> installing packages or alike. So you will speedup SuSEconfig, but
slow 
>> down booting a bit :-(
>
>It depends. The init scripts could easily detect if the 
>sysconfig-scripts are newer than the config files (or even md5sum them)

>and regenerate them only when needed.

I think such a logic has to be inside for sure. But the bootup time
should be reduced, not increased imho.

What are other Distros doing? Why don't they need anything alike? What
is so much more special about the SuSE way that others don't need
anything alike?

Is it just because of a 'lazy' coding stile for YaST? As YaST is reading
/ modifyng most of these files afaik.
So: why not fix these tools?

Cheers,
Dominique
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[opensuse-factory] Test of Factory

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hi,

I wanted finally to have a look at the factory 'release' and contribute
with some bug reports (possibly).

So  my first question:
- What's the best way in your eyes to get to the latest factory release?
- Can I just install a 10.1 as used and then add the factory inst-source
as a repository? A 'rug up' will then most probably install a lot of
updated packages.

Would this work for tests or will the machine be in a 'strange' state
after this?

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Test of Factory

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> "Dinar Valeev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/22/06 1:36 PM >>>
>i think you need install latest alpha and then update this to factory.
>Using Factory inst_source
>
>On 8/22/06, Dominique Leuenberger
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I wanted finally to have a look at the factory 'release' and
contribute
>> with some bug reports (possibly).
>>
>> So  my first question:
>> - What's the best way in your eyes to get to the latest factory
release?
>> - Can I just install a 10.1 as used and then add the factory
inst-source
>> as a repository? A 'rug up' will then most probably install a lot of
>> updated packages.
>>
>> Would this work for tests or will the machine be in a 'strange' state
>> after this?
>>

Thank you very much, I'll give it a try this week.

Regards,
Dominique
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[opensuse-factory] upGrading upcomgi releases

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hi,

Maybe I'm on the wrong place for this, but it might be interesting even
here:

Let's assume the following (I think a not so uncommon scenario):
- A user installs a openSuSE Version 10.1
- He changes the installation repositories to something like 
  ftp://mirror.suse.de/pub/SL-Stable/inst-source
and adds also
  ftp://mirror.suse.de/pub/SL-Stable/non-oss-inst-source

Now come's one of the trickier parts:
The upudate repo is pointing to:
 ftp://mirror.suse.de/update/10.1

What will happen when openSUSE 10.2 get's the 'stable' Distribution an
dwill thus be linked in place of 10.1?

ZMD will most probably install many packages from 10.2 (maybe even
wished by the user) but the link to the update repo will still point to
10.1.
The same problem is with MOST external repos, as most of them also
contain the version number in the path.

Could there something be implemented to have it point to a URL like:
ftp://mirror.suse.de/update /%OSS-VERSION%, thus updating the links upon
a relink of the stable tree?

Regards,
Dominique
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Adding SBIG CCD camera support to SUSE?

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 Matthias Koenig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/28/06 1:38 PM >>>
>Andreas Jaeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Jasem Mutlaq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Sorry if this is not the appropiate list to discuss
>>> this issue.
>>>
>>> Santa Barbara SBIG CCD camera is one of the most
>>> popular cameras used in astronomy. In order to
>>> operate, the CCD requires a firmware to be uploaded
>>> upon detection on the USB port. Otherwise, you can't
>>> establish any further communications at all.
>>
>> What is the license of this firmware?  Is it possible to
re-distribute
>> it?  If this is not the case, then we cannot include it,
>
>Unfortunately the Linux Developer Kit from SBIG does not contain
>any hint about the license of the firmware. Though the included
>example code is mentioned to be "free".
>Note, that the camera needs a USB driver, which is provided by SBIG 
>as a binary only non-kernel driver also without any license.

I think the best thing in this case is to get in touch with the vendor
and ask for an explicit permission to redistribute the drivers / and
firmware within our openSUSE bundle. 

For sure there IS any sort of license bound to their source code. 
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Re: [opensuse-factory] SuSEconfig clearance: "CLASS-A" scripts

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> Christoph Thiel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 09/04/06 2:04 PM >>>
>Hi there,
>

I was just thinking for all these SuSEconfig scripts, as the problem is
their runtime:

Couldn't we remember the 'las-run' of such a script and only run it if
the timestamp of the file in /etc/sysconfig is newer than the
'last-run'? This test is imho quiet fast and we could leave most of the
scripts. And still remove the one's we don't need anymore.

Dominique
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Re: [opensuse-factory] SuSEconfig clearance: "CLASS-A" scripts

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> James Ogley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 09/04/06 3:24 PM >>>
>>  * SuSEconfig.susehelp (package: susehelp)
>>-> cron? + initscript?
>
>I think cron for this, there's no inherent reason that I can think of
>why this shouldn't just be done at 0100.

Not everybody has it's computer running 24hrs a day, and cron lacks the
feature of starting tasks that were skipped.  I for my part don't have
to let the computer run if there's no specific task to be done... so
please: don't even think about cron scheduled jobs for system
maintenance... they will just not work as requested

Dominique
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[opensuse-factory] CDRTools (CDDL / GPL)

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hello,

will openSUSE replace the cdrtools (which are now under the GPL
incompatible CDDL license) by the new cdrkit, which is a fork of the
latest GPL'd cdrtools?

Dominique
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Re: [opensuse-factory] CDRTools (CDDL / GPL)

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>>> Juergen Weigert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 09/05/06 5:41 PM >>>
>On Sep 05, 06 15:35:43 +0200, Joerg Mayer wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 03:22:16PM +0200, Dominique Leuenberger
wrote:
>> > will openSUSE replace the cdrtools (which are now under the GPL
>> > incompatible CDDL license) by the new cdrkit, which is a fork of
the
>> > latest GPL'd cdrtools?
>> 
>> There's at least one person on this planet who thinks that it isn't
>> incompatible ;-)
>
>Avoiding the CDDL reduces some risks from our products.
>
>We'll look into cdrkit. 
>Is the packagage downloadable somewhere?
>http://debburn.alioth.debian.org appears to be dead, currently.
>

All else I could find is the SVN Source:
http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/debburn

Dominique
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Fwd: Re: [opensuse-factory] Games on openSUSE 10.2

[Dominique Leuenberger]

of course I sent it personal.. sorry... I'll get used to it :-)
And maybe the next version of GroupWise will help me with a
reply-to-list button :-(--- Begin Message ---
>>> Ludwig Nussel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 09/06/06 3:27 PM >>>
>On Wednesday 06 September 2006 10:23, Stefan Dirsch wrote:
>> On SUSE Linux 10.1 we had about 5 small game packages in our default
>> installation + an additional Games selection used for all game
>> packages. Should we do it similar for openSUSE 10.2? Any other
>> proposals?
>
>
>This one looks interesting (check the video). I didn't try it yet as
>it has some exotic build dependencies:
>http://louhi.kempele.fi/~skyostil/uv/fretsonfire/

I tried fretsonfire... and have to say, the video looks much better.
Maybe it's just not my style of game, or maybe I felt to much offended
after going through the tutorial.

I wouldn't say it's a big loss not to put that on in the list.

In general, I'd say games should be there for small breaks from work and
a few to show capabilities. But the list of pre installed games has to
remain small. The list of installable games on the other hand can/should
increase. The GAMES repository for example should be more evolved than
it is at this moment.

Regards,
Dominique
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[opensuse-factory] GNOME 2.16

[Dominique Leuenberger]

List,
 
I would say quiet good news for our openSUSE 10.2: Gnome 2.16 isofficially released and came out of the beta.
 
When reading the change log, there is a lot of 3D stuff (like wobbling windows, exploding windows) mentioned. After reading all this, there remains the question about the usage of XGL and AIGLX... is there any sense to keep this projects up?
 
- What exactly brings XGL as advantage over the new features of Gnome 2.16 by itself (except the cube for the desktops)?
- Will the 3D features of metacity be activated in the openSUSE distribution (as they have to be activated on compile time?)
 
Regards,
Dominique

Re: [opensuse-factory] Minimal RAM requirement

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 

>>> Reply on 08-09-2006 15:13:25 <<<> Andreas Jaeger wrote:
> > > 7. gnome-main-menu (probably required in SLED10 or 10.2)
> > >
> > > Eats about 180MB of virtual memory.
> > 
> > I consider this a bug worth filing in bugzilla.
> > 
> > > Proposed solution: Use standard GNOME menu.
> 
> Seems to be already fixed and released as a hotfix:
> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=177414 
> 

Please, don't all the time post links to 'secret' bugs.
->   You are not authorized to access bug #177414

It's so annoying to see this message when you want to get more
information, as suggested by someone.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Discussion about starting BETA process earlier - by end of sep 2006

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 >>> Reply on 08-09-2006 17:24:03 <<<> Hi all !> > I would like to ask to start the BETA process of openSUSE 10.2 earlier.> > Alpha4 now is stable enough to be almost BETA - a few fixes here and> there and we are BETA-ready. I think it is not-needed to waste another> month of time to get to Alpha5 and then BETA1.> > > I suggest, that, because we have almost-stable distro now, start the> BETA process by end of this month (Sep, 2006), instead of end of next> month, and make feature freeze earlier.> So our BETA process will last 1 month longer, and in the end deadline> (Dec,2006) we (Novell+Community) will be able to deliver a better and> more stable OS for day-to-day use.> > I want openSUSE 10.2 to be better tested than previous OSes: SUSE> Linux 10.0 and 10.1.> > What do you think?
I agree. As far as I understand you, the release date should remain the same, just the time for real BUG fixing should be bigger. Only the feature freeze will be earlier.
 
What influences will this have on the planned updates of packets?
I mean
- Kernel 2.6.18 (is in RC at the moment)
- FireFox 2
- k3b 1.0
- Gnome 2.16 (ok, that one is released. I don't see a problem)
 
Will they still be integrated if released upstream AFTER the feature freeze (which in fact would be WRONG). For the kernel this might be ok, as 2.6.18 can be considered as a bugfix of 2.6.18-RC5, but for other things?
 
For k3b for example: I had some mail contact with the author regarding cdrecod / cdrkit. Most probable he will start to support both of them of course slightly shifting a schedule due to the new upcoming license issues.
 
But otherwise, I think everybody agrees that we better spend time on bug fixing with what we have now instead of adding fancy features until the last moment and not having time to test it completely.
 
Dominique

[opensuse-factory] Sylpheed(-claws)

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hi
 
Are there plans to include (after a long availability) sylpheed in a more recent version?
 
Even now in Factory, there is still version 1.0.3 included, even though Sylpheed-claws is in Version 2.4.0
Version 2.4.0 has been released on July 31 2006 while 2.0.0 has been out since Jan 30 2006
 
Dominique

[opensuse-factory] Zope downgraded in factory

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hi,
 
What's the reason that zope got downgraded back to the 2.7.8? I think, even in SuSE Linux 10.1, there was Zope 3 included, wasn't it?
 
Latest release would be 3.2.1 (stable)
 
Dominique

Re: [opensuse-factory] Sylpheed(-claws)

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 >>> Reply on 11-09-2006 17:56:45 <<<> Hello,> > * Dominique Leuenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> [2006-09-11 15:45]:> > Are there plans to include (after a long availability) sylpheed in a> > more recent version?> >  > > Even now in Factory, there is still version 1.0.3 included, even> though> > Sylpheed-claws is in Version 2.4.0> > Version 2.4.0 has been released on July 31 2006 while 2.0.0 has been> > out since Jan 30 2006> > Up-to-date packages of Sylpheed Claws are available at Packman. Maybe> Marcus can move them to the BS?> 
What holds against including the latest version directly into the distribution? Is it not considered stable enough? Or any other things I'm not aware of (yet)?
 
Dominique

Re: [opensuse-factory] Broken PPP

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 >>> Reply on 12-09-2006 18:07:45 <<<> Hi,> > On Tuesday, September 12, 2006 at 20:51:32, Peter Nixon wrote:> > > Is it just me or is PPP support in factory currently horribly broken?> > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=202606> 
Interestingly, the Bug is marked as being fixed. And Peter, as he wrote, just updated his system, so he should not have this problem now, isn't it?
ppp-2.4.4-7 is more recent than what's addressed in the bug; maybe it has to be reopened? I can't verify, as I don't need ppp. I have a LAN connection only.
 
Dominique

[opensuse-factory] ScreenSavers

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hi everybody,

a thing that many of my friends / family members miss about Linux is
the availability of nice and nifty screen savers.

What would you think about integrating the Really Slick Screensavers
Port to GLX into openSUSE?
Or is it already there and I just did not find it?

Regards,
Dominique

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Re: [opensuse-factory] ScreenSavers

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 >>> Reply on 14-09-2006 16:43:35 <<<> On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 03:41:40PM +0200, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:> > Hi everybody,> > > > a thing that many of my friends / family members miss about Linux is> > the availability of nice and nifty screen savers.> > > > What would you think about integrating the Really Slick Screensavers> > Port to GLX into openSUSE?> > Or is it already there and I just did not find it?> > What about xscreensaver? > > It has many screensavers :)
Marucs,
 
yes, it has... you're absolutely right. But I was more talking about nify, good looking, stunnig ones (openGL based)
 
 

Re: [opensuse-factory] ScreenSavers

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 >>> Reply on 14-09-2006 16:48:45 <<<> On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 03:44:33PM +0200, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:> >  > > > > >>> Reply on 14-09-2006 16:43:35 <<<> On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at> > 03:41:40PM +0200, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:> > > > Hi everybody,> > > > > > > > a thing that many of my friends / family members miss about Linux> > is> > > > the availability of nice and nifty screen savers.> > > > > > > > What would you think about integrating the Really Slick> > Screensavers> > > > Port to GLX into openSUSE?> > > > Or is it already there and I just did not find it?> > > > > > What about xscreensaver? > > > > > > It has many screensavers :)> > > > Marucs,> >  > > yes, it has... you're absolutely right. But I was more talking about> > nify, good looking, stunnig ones (openGL based)> > It also has some GL ones, but not much ;)> > Ciao, Marcus> 
 
Maybe you can just have a look at the two sites:
[1] http://somewhere.fscked.org/fireflies/
[2] http://rss-glx.sourceforge.net/
 
Some very nice looking ones. Who knows... 

Re: [opensuse-factory] ScreenSavers

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Resent to the list, because the MailAdmin Program denied it ?!?>>> Reply on 14-09-2006 17:29:37 <<<> Am Donnerstag, 14. September 2006 15:49 schrieb Dominique Leuenberger:> > Maybe you can just have a look at the two sites:> > [1] http://somewhere.fscked.org/fireflies/> That one looks pretty close to the (basically) default screensaver we> use for > KDE actually.>  > > [2] http://rss-glx.sourceforge.net/> The screenshots there look interesting indeed. Solarwinds is the only> one we > already have (for KDE). I guess I'll look into it
From this one I especially like Skyrocket and Helios.
 
Have a look in it and who knows, maybe we got something new for openSUSE 10.x
 
Dominique

[opensuse-factory] upGrading upcoming releases

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hi,As we're getting close to the feature freeze, maybe we should finally think about the statements below, what do you think about it?
 
 
—
Maybe I'm on the wrong place for this, but it might be interesting evenhere:Let's assume the following (I think a not so uncommon scenario):- A user installs a openSuSE Version 10.1- He changes the installation repositories to something like   ftp://mirror.suse.de/pub/SL-Stable/inst-sourceand adds also  ftp://mirror.suse.de/pub/SL-Stable/non-oss-inst-sourceNow come's one of the trickier parts:The upudate repo is pointing to:ftp://mirror.suse.de/update/10.1What will happen when openSUSE 10.2 get's the 'stable' Distribution andwill thus be linked in place of 10.1?ZMD will most probably install many packages from 10.2 (maybe evenwished by the user) but the link to the update repo will still point to10.1.The same problem is with MOST external repos, as most of them alsocontain the version number in the path.Could there something be implemented to have it point to a URL like:ftp://mirror.suse.de/update /%OSS-VERSION%, thus updating the links upona relink of the stable tree?
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Re: [opensuse-factory] ATI/Nvidia drivers via KMP for 10.2?

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 >>> Reply on 20-09-2006 16:02:45 <<<> On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 08:18:27AM -0400, Justin Haygood wrote:> > Will ATI and Nvidia continue to provide prebuilt drivers for 10.2> once> > 10.2 hits final like they do for SLED10 / SL10.1? Or is the only> reason> > 10.1 supported because SLED10 is based on the same codebase?> > Bug #206956> > Please vote for it ...
Nice to see there is something going in this direction. Anyhow, even SLE is at the moment not 'up to date' anymore, as nVidia released new drivers almost 1 month ago (1.0-1884)
 
Hopefully a place to host these drivers can be found (sorry, I don't have such a high bandwidth connection)
 
Dominique

Re: [opensuse-factory] ATI/Nvidia drivers via KMP for 10.2?

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 

>>> Reply on 20-09-2006 16:14:38 <<<> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, 15:05:07
+0200, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
> > >>> Reply on 20-09-2006 16:02:45 <<<> On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at
> > 08:18:27AM -0400, Justin Haygood wrote:
> > > > Will ATI and Nvidia continue to provide prebuilt drivers for
10.2
> > > once
> > > > 10.2 hits final like they do for SLED10 / SL10.1? Or is the
only
> > > reason
> > > > 10.1 supported because SLED10 is based on the same codebase?
> > > 
> > > Bug #206956
> > > 
> > > Please vote for it ...
> > 
> > Nice to see there is something going in this direction. Anyhow,
even
> > SLE is at the moment not 'up to date' anymore, as nVidia released
new
> > drivers almost 1 month ago (1.0-1884)
> 
> What? According to <http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html> the
latest
> officially released Nvidia driver is still version 1.0-8774. Where
did
> you get your information from?

Ups, sorry. of course I meant 8774 (1884 would be a much smaller
number).
But the latest KMP's available in the Repo seem to be 1.0.8762
 
Dominique
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[opensuse-factory] SPAM: DVDs not automounted in Alpha5 / factory

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hi List,

in my Alpha5 installation, DVDs and CDs don't get automounted anymore
when inserting them in the drive.

Where can I have a look at? Or is this already a known bug/feature?

Regards,
Dominique
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[opensuse-factory] Mozilla Firefox 2.0

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hi everybody,
 
On the openSUSE Wiki, it's written that with openSUSE 10.2, Mozilla Firefox 2.0 should be delivered (Mozilla is due to be released in October).
But up to now, even in the current factory tree, there are no traces of Firefox 2.0. Only 1.5.0.7 is available.
 
Is this to be changed or will we deliver and 'old' Firefox with openSUSE 10.2?
 
For thunderbird, which is due later, the packages of 1.99 are already in for a while.
 
Regards,
Dominique

Re: [opensuse-factory] zen bug?

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 >>> Reply on 17-10-2006 10:37:42 <<<> jdd schrieb:> > ?? I did not do anything to have this and it didn't show before> > Maybe you did not do anything, but the resolve-dependencies zypp helper> did something: It segfaulted.> > This caused zmd.db to be left in an unusable state. Zen-Updater likes> to> show exactly this stack trace whenever that happens. It's the most> well-known one. Use Google:> > http://www.google.com/search?q=CheckUpdatesLoop> > While the resolve-dependencies segfault has been fixed in the meantime,> the stack trace from Zen-Updater will _never_ be fixed. It's already in> Bugzilla with 6 duplicates. Resolution: WORKSFORME> > Just forget it... Whenever this happens, you have to do:> > killall zen-updater> /etc/init.d/novell-zmd stop> rm -f /var/lib/zmd/zmd.db> /etc/init.d/novell-zmd start> zen-updater &
 
Calling a program, that gives a stack trace on an invalid Database, 'Works For Me' is a bit brave behaviour.
In no way, a program is allowed to crash out if a corrupt database is found.
 
At LEAST an exact explanation to the user how to solve it (maybe what you just gave on top) HAS to be given or, if the actions are that obvious always the same, they have to be performed if the system does not get in danger by it.
 
But just leaving it as 'Works for me' is not the right thing imho.
 
Dominique

Re: [opensuse-factory] zen bug?

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 >>> Reply on 17-10-2006 10:58:15 <<<> Dominique Leuenberger schrieb:> That's exactly what rug does...
Ok, that's good like this
 
> > The issue is really specific to zen-updater. I could never make rug> crash, not even by copying MP3 audio files on top of> /var/lib/zmd/zmd.db. It just says "Corrupted database", and that's what> an application should do in such a situation.> > By the way, you don't need to do> > rm -f /var/lib/zmd/zmd.db> > any more in Factory because zmd is already robustified, which is very> cool. Restarting zmd is sufficient, it recognizes the corrupted> database> as such on startup and rebuilds it automatically.
 
Also very nice to read. So it's going in the right direction.
> > So, zmd and rug are fine, just zen-updater is not. Unfortunately,> zen-updater is exactly what people see most of the time and what they> identify as "ZEN". Selling Zenworks as a good thing is really difficult> this way...> 
 
Indeed, at least the Userinterface should be nifty, as it's also used in corp environment by non-geeks. They probably can't deal to much with a stacktrace.
 
Are there any chances that the zen-updater get's a face-lifting in this way? (even though it IS working; a kinda better error message would probably be welcome by everybody).
 
 
About the hardened zen: do you know something about the libzypp 2.4.0 update for factury that should be synced? I'm still waiting for it! As my box at the moment can not use rug at all to remove or to install or to update packages (SIGSEGVing). But on no mirror I know I can find that new version addressed in bugzilla
 
Dominique

[opensuse-factory] Mirror servers for factory? Syncing problems?

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hi,
 
for some days now I'm waiting for the libzypp 2.4.0 which should make my rug render usable again.
Unfortunately, all the servers I check don't have this thing synched.
 
As a reference:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=212100
 
The file should be around for some days already.
 
Is there a mirror with the corresponding files? (I mostly use gwdg.de up to now)
 
I have the same with another bug report which I will have to reply, but if synching is not working, I might have problems finding the required RPMs
 
Thanks for some light
 
Dominique

Fwd: Re: [opensuse-factory] Mirror servers for factory? Syncing problems?

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Forwarded to the list. Sorry Eberhard!>>> Dominique Leuenberger 18-10-2006 16:29 >>>
>>> Eberhard Moenkeberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 18-10-2006 16:23 >>>
Hi,On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:> for some days now I'm waiting for the libzypp 2.4.0 which should make> my rug render usable again.> Unfortunately, all the servers I check don't have this thing synched.>> As a reference:> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=212100>> The file should be around for some days already.>> Is there a mirror with the corresponding files? (I mostly use gwdg.de> up to now)>> I have the same with another bug report which I will have to reply, but> if synching is not working, I might have problems finding the required> RPMsFactory still has libzypp-2.3.0-2.—---
 
So where do the Novell people request us to get this thing from? According bugzilla, it should be available.
So let's wait a bit more and I stay without a running rug
 
Cheers!

Re: [opensuse-factory] Media for openSUSE 10.2

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 Adrian>>> Reply on 20-10-2006 14:04:56 <<<> > We're currently planning to produce the following media for> installation:> > * 5 CDs, you need CDs 1-3 for a normal installation with just GNOME or>   KDE (any language)
 
I think 5CDs are supportable. But for a future release it would be very nice if the distribution of the packages could be optimized in a way that not so many CDs would be needed for a Standard installation (standard installation shall mean what get's installed if I just click NEXT all the times, as most users anyhow do). I think at least shrinking this to TWO CDs (better would be ONE) should be possible.
> > * 1 AddOn CD with only binary packages on it> 
 
I assume it will contain about the same things as up to now? Java, Flash, Real and so on? Something completely new to know about this Disc?
> * 1 AddOn CD with language packages that are used for our tier 2>   languages (tier 1 languages are english, french, italian, spanish,>   german, chinese, japanese and czech - and support for those is on>   the standard 5 CDs) (the 5 CDs have support for installation in>   *all* languages, just extra packages are only on this extra media)> 
 
The CD should be well marked on the download site, informing users what for exactly this CD is. Like: What features do you get in plus (feature means: what program(s) get support for more languages)
> * 1 DVD containing the contents of the above 7 media (the DVD will>   only come with the final version to save bandwidth and mirror space)> 
Nothing to say about. Just don't create a 8th CD, or the DVD will be to small (if the CDs are full)
> * a FTP tree with open source packages (only for the final version)> > * a FTP tree with binary packages (only for the final version)> 
 
Will the FTP tree again contain more packages than the CDs/DVD? I assume it does.
In this case, I absolutely would like to see the question during the installation to add/replace the CD/DVD Installation source by the FTP-Tree. Default selection would most probably be "no", as far not everybody has a high speed internet connection.
 
Comments on this? Or already implemented? (Alpha 5 did not offer something like this)
 
> > The DVD we delivered with Alpha5 has the content of the above> mentioned DVD,> > Andreas> -- 
Regards,
Dominique

Re: [opensuse-factory] Media for openSUSE 10.2

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 >>> Reply on 20-10-2006 14:20:28 <<<> > * 1 AddOn CD with only binary packages on it> 
With respect to BUG #209413, what has been done for this? (It's about a WLAN card being detected by YaST during setup, but no firmware installed, because they would be on the addon cd.)
 
Dominique

Re: [opensuse-factory] Media for openSUSE 10.2

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 >>> Reply on 20-10-2006 15:08:21 <<<> Martin Schlander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> > > Any reason you don't mention box/dvd9? I hope it isn't dropped.> > The DVD9 which will be in the box will never find it's way to the> servers and that's why I did not mention it.  We plan to for the box> CDs to use CDs 1-5 and the non-oss one - as in 10.1,> 
Why not offering the Lang-Addon-CD too to in the boxed version? Seems the paying customer (most probably the one with less knowledge or somelike me that just want to contribute financially to the project) will get less than the ones downloading?
 
Dominique

Re: [opensuse-factory] Media for openSUSE 10.2

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 >>> Reply on 20-10-2006 15:16:19 <<<> "Dominique Leuenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> > >  > >> >>>> Reply on 20-10-2006 15:08:21 <<<> Martin Schlander> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> >> > >> > Any reason you don't mention box/dvd9? I hope it isn't dropped.> >> > >> The DVD9 which will be in the box will never find it's way to the> >> servers and that's why I did not mention it.  We plan to for the box> >> CDs to use CDs 1-5 and the non-oss one - as in 10.1,> >> > >> > Why not offering the Lang-Addon-CD too to in the boxed version? Seems> > the paying customer (most probably the one with less knowledge or> > somelike me that just want to contribute financially to the project)> > will get less than the ones downloading?> > They get more - they get a DVD9 that has more packages than all CDs> together...> 
 
For the case that they have a DVD-ROM! All other's get one CD (2nd tier languages) less in the package
 
Dominique

Re: [opensuse-factory] Media for openSUSE 10.2

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 >>> Reply on 23-10-2006 9:23:48 <<<> The media proposal by AJ looks very good to me.> > > I think 5CDs are supportable. But for a future release it would be> very> > nice if the distribution of the packages could be optimized in a way> > that not so many CDs would be needed for a Standard installation> > (standard installation shall mean what get's installed if I just> click> > NEXT all the times, as most users anyhow do). I think at least> shrinking> > this to TWO CDs (better would be ONE) should be possible.> > Oh please. If you want a castrated distribution on 1 CD, use Ubuntu. If> you want a real distribution, flip 3 CDs. If you're too lazy for that,> please stop whinging and use the DVD. DVDROM drives cost next to> nothing> these days.> > I am thankful to SUSE for offering a DVD at all. Most others waste my> time by flicking CDs or waste my bandwidth (and time) with a 'net> install for each box.> > Volker
Volker,
 
I think you didn't get my point and thus at least should try to reply in 'friendly' mode. Your subtone in the writing is more than... how to say... unfriendly!
 
I did not whine about the CDs at all. I for myself use DVDs and I'll probably always stick on this. And I don't complain that openSUSE has 5 or 7 CDs (as in the current state) BUT, (and that's something Novell is also working on!) that the default installation is using the least of these CDs possible. I think there's nothing more annoying that you have to put a CD just for 3 - 5 packages (which I remember was once back a while) and then the next CD has to be inserted. So by arranging the packages on the CDs, this can be resolved and gives a much better user experiance.
 
So please: if you don't understand what somebody is talking about, then ASK! And ASK friendly and don't just flame around like you did!
 
best regards,
Dominique

Re: [opensuse-factory] Media for openSUSE 10.2

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 >>> Reply on 23-10-2006 14:57:11 <<<> On Mon, 2006-10-23 at 08:26 +0200, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:> >  > > > >  > > I think you didn't get my point and thus at least should try to reply> > in 'friendly' mode. Your subtone in the writing is more than... how> to> > say... unfriendly!> >  > > I did not whine about the CDs at all. I for myself use DVDs and I'll> > probably always stick on this. And I don't complain that openSUSE has> > 5 or 7 CDs (as in the current state) BUT, (and that's something> Novell> > is also working on!) that the default installation is using the least> > of these CDs possible. I think there's nothing more annoying that you> > have to put a CD just for 3 - 5 packages (which I remember was once> > back a while) and then the next CD has to be inserted. So by> arranging> > the packages on the CDs, this can be resolved and gives a much better> > user experiance.> >  > > So please: if you don't understand what somebody is talking about,> > then ASK! And ASK friendly and don't just flame around like you did!> >  > > And what about the other people that select a different set of packages> at install time then you do, they will still need to insert cd #? for> only a couple of programs. What you ask for is almost impossible except> for the default install set of packages that is not modified.> 
That's why, in my initial post, I wrote that for the 'USER ALWAYS CLICKING NEXT' ! And that's exactly the way most users are installing it (except if they already know more about the system, like probably you and guess what: also me!
 
THESE users are probably the ones a bit new to Linux and THEY are the one that can spread a good word besides the pro!
 
I mean for myself there is no problem at all! I download the DVD, burn it and add the FTP Repos as additional install sources.
 
Regards,
Dominique
 
PS: I'm wondering if people on this list just try to post for having posted or if they sometimes read the complete posts? I know, it's a bit of work and sometimes it requires some point of understanding, but hey: isn't this normal for discussions?

[opensuse-factory] Proposal for new PAckage for 10.2

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hi everybody,
 
I know, basically it is to late to add new packages to the distribution at this time, as we hit Beta1.
On the other hand, it should not affect the base system at all:
 
Yesterday, Frozen Bubble 2 hit the download servers. After giving it a try, I can just say: WOW! It is so much more polished than frozen bubble 1 was (ok: it has been a long time since FB1 was released.
 
What do you think? Can we manage to replace FB1 by FB2 until final release of 10.2?
 
Dominique

[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] enigmail not compatible with Thunderbird 2.0b1

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 >>> Reply on 30-10-2006 9:33:53 <<<> Hi!> > Having installed Thunderbird 2.0b1 from the openbuild tree> if found enigmail being broken. This add-on currently sup-> ports Thunderbird versions up to 2.0a1. This means, I can-> not read even my own archied eMails until there is a new> release of enigmail. I'm pretty confident that this will> happen sooner or later. I'm just curious, if I could have> avoided this conflict?> 
Ruben,
 
Not directly an answer to your question, but maybe I can help you get enigmail run again.
AFAIK, the API did not change anymore since alpha1 for TB. So most probably, the enigmail.xpi is just to restrictive.
 
You can unpack it and modify the values in the xml file for it to work in beta1 too. Most plugins I ever used could just be adopted to the latest version of TB by such a small trick.
 
Regards,
Dominique

[opensuse-factory] speed impression on firefox 2

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hi everybody,
 
I have upgraded to Beta 1 of openSUSE 10.2 last week.
 
Since then, I feel Firefox (which also got upgraded to 2.0 now) much slower than 1.5 was before.
For example, when entering an URL then hitting , for a while nothing happens (not even the status bar changes from stopped or something).
 
In general, I would say the surfing experiance got much worse.
 
I also have FF on my win installation in the office and wouldn't say it degraded somehow. (or not as much experianced).
 
Does anybody else have this experiance with FF2?
 
Dominique

Re: [opensuse-factory] speed impression on firefox 2

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> Reply on 02-11-2006 9:19:52 <<<> IP6 is enabled by default and most DNS-servers cannot handle> itgenerating > long delays.. Change in yast > network card > advanced >> IP6. I just> did > that and now it is fast again :D> > Does that help?
 
Bart,
 
no, unfortunately I already had IPV6 disabled in Yast and I even disabled that one witing about:config (the option network.dns.disableIPv6 = true)
 
But still, my FF2 seems to sleep in front of me whenever I request a webage. Seems it's time for me to start a WireShark on this. Let's hope I find something like this.
 
I'll post my results as soon as I find more.
 
Regards,
Dominique
 
> > Bart> > Op dinsdag 31 oktober 2006 11:49, schreef Dominique Leuenberger:> > Hi everybody,> >> > I have upgraded to Beta 1 of openSUSE 10.2 last week.> >> > Since then, I feel Firefox (which also got upgraded to 2.0 now) much> > slower than 1.5 was before.> > For example, when entering an URL then hitting , for a while> > nothing happens (not even the status bar changes from stopped or> > something).> >> > In general, I would say the surfing experiance got much worse.> >> > I also have FF on my win installation in the office and wouldn't say> it> > degraded somehow. (or not as much experianced).> >> > Does anybody else have this experiance with FF2?> >> > Dominique> -> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 

Re: [opensuse-factory] speed impression on firefox 2

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Bernhard >>> Reply on 03-11-2006 9:11:02 <<<> Hello,> > * Dominique Leuenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> [2006-11-02 08:23]:> > no, unfortunately I already had IPV6 disabled in Yast and I even> > disabled that one witing about:config (the option> > network.dns.disableIPv6 = true)> >  > > But still, my FF2 seems to sleep in front of me whenever I request a> > webage. Seems it's time for me to start a WireShark on this. Let's> hope> > I find something like this.> > What's your proxy setting? Disabled or Automatically? Try to disable> it.> 
That was the one I did not think of (I think up to now it was always 'disable' by default.
Strangely, I am NOT able to change it using the GUI (by going to edit preferences connection, I just get an error. 
 
I changed it in about:config (network.proxy.type = 0. There must also be the problem: It was set to 5 (accepted as default), which does not even represent a valid value. proxy.type should take a value from 0 to 4 (the error in GUI also shows something about a value of 5). 
 
Anyhow, I changed it to 0 and FF is lightning fast now. (hmm. that would better fit on thunderbird :-) )
 
Regards and thanks for your tips!
 
Dominique

Re: [opensuse-factory] ZMD consumes 70-85% cpu during more than 150 minutes...

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 >>> Reply on 06-11-2006 14:51:33 <<<> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-> Hash: SHA1> > Hi,> > As subject,> > 2958 root  34  19  215m  12m 3428 R 80.2  2.6  55:03.02 zmd> 2958 root  34  19  215m  15m 3860 R 79.6  3.2 118:37.63 zmd> 2958 root  34  19  215m  15m 3856 R 76.7  3.2 162:21.22 zmd> > 
Hey,
 
do we have to expect such a mail every few minutes now on the list? Maybe the best would be to open a BugZilla tracker or find out what happened?
 
Will help you and everybody much more than having this message every few minutes.
 
Greetings,
Dominique
 

Re: [opensuse-factory] ZMD consumes 70-85% cpu during more than 150 minutes...

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 >>> Reply on 06-11-2006 15:14:12 <<<> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-> Hash: SHA1> > > > Dominique Leuenberger schreef:> >> >> >>>> Reply on 06-11-2006 14:51:33 <<<> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED> > MESSAGE-> >> Hash: SHA1> >>> >> Hi,> >>> >> As subject,> >>> >> 2958 root  34  19  215m  12m 3428 R 80.2  2.6  55:03.02 zmd> >> 2958 root  34  19  215m  15m 3860 R 79.6  3.2 118:37.63 zmd> >> 2958 root  34  19  215m  15m 3856 R 76.7  3.2 162:21.22 zmd> >>> >>> >> > Hey,> >> > do we have to expect such a mail every few minutes now on the list?> > Maybe the best would be to open a BugZilla tracker or find out what> > happened?> >> > Will help you and everybody much more than having this message every> > few minutes.> >> > Greetings,> > Dominique> > Is that the reason why you sent the same message twice?> Or are you in some way compelled with zmd, so you do not want to see> the> app is invalid?> > What I am trying to prove with this, is that the app is useless at this> time, (as it was in 101), and that we all need something like smart,> and> smart update checker, instead of this resources consuming monster, that> is not productive at all> 
I think one problem we all experiance here (and I'm not even sure Smart would handle this different) is the fact, the a zmd refresh has to get the current catalog infos from a server (I think it's downloading primary.xml.gz and filelists.xml.gz and maybe even other.xml.gz, can a ZMD expert comment on this?)
 
Especially in the Factory tree which is very unstable at the moment, these catalog files are changing regularly (several times a week) and thus have to be downloaded over and over again.
 
Once the tree is considered stable, these catalogs get downloaded a single time and only the update tree is modified. AFAIK, zmd keeps the timestamps of the last update of these catalogs, and if not changed, decides not to download them.
 
A short look on the files show, that it is downloading around 60MB at the moment. This might take a while. Here, probably the FTP/HTTP[S] Get method is not as cpu friendly as it could be, or maybe it's something completely different.
 
Maybe some zmd guy could comment on this? Or maybe I should start digging around in the sources :-)
 
Greetings,
Dominique

Re: [opensuse-factory] Libraries problem

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 >>> Reply on 07-11-2006 16:45:17 <<<> From a moth ago, I Could'nt use Openoffice, and yesterday y executed> it from konsole, and discovered that it do'nt finds the library> /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1. I found with locate /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1, a> old version from 2004, and /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 from the package> libgcc41-4.1.2_20061024-3.i586.rpm . Other application that fails by> the same reason was the zen-updater.> I do a symlink : ln -s /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 and> the problem was resolved.> 
> The question is, what is wrong?> The right place for libgcc_s.so.1 is /lib/ or /usr/lib/?> 
Hi,
 
both locations are valid and are used by the programs ( I think with preference to /usr/lib over /lib)
It would be very very interesting to find, which package installed the lib in /usr/lib.
 
if you work mainly with RPMs, you can try the command 
  rpm -qf /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
to see, what package installed the file at this location.
 
Regards,
Dominique



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[opensuse-factory] Java license finally solved

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hi,
 
As it's writting on different news places and in blogs of Sun Workers (http://blogs.sun.com/dannycoward/entry/java_me,_se_and_ee:), Java is now REALLY GPLed. The product is put under the explicit GPL v2 (not v2 or later) and can now also beincluded in openSUSE default installations.
 
probably already to late for 10.2 shipment, but who knows.. maybe AJ has a good mood and brings it in?
 
Dominique

Re: [opensuse-factory] Java license finally (partially) solved

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 >>> Reply on 13-11-2006 12:38:39 <<<> On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 10:59:26AM +0100, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:> > Hi,> >  > > As it's writting on different news places and in blogs of Sun Workers> > (http://blogs.sun.com/dannycoward/entry/java_me,_se_and_ee:), Java is> > now REALLY GPLed. The product is put under the explicit GPL v2 (not> v2> > No, you should read these documents more closely: It is _announced_ that> this> will happen, it is not done yet. Knowing the history of announcements> Sun has> made about that topic I would not trust them before they actually> _happened_.> > > or later) and can now also beincluded in openSUSE default> > installations.> >  > > probably already to late for 10.2 shipment, but who knows.. maybe AJ> > has a good mood and brings it in?> > First half of year 2007 for making it completely open source is> definitely too> late for 10.2, maybe even for 10.3.> 
Robert,
 
Yes, right. Today only the compiler hits the new License. Most probably, they will just wait for the Java 6 to get out on the shelfs using the GPL. So very bad.
 
On the other hand, I have the AddOnCD and don't really care that much for it. I'm not one running after every single soft just because it's free. I even dare to run closed source software under Linux. And it doesn't make me feel bad :-)
 
Dominique

[opensuse-factory] Linux-Kernel-Headers outdated

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hi everybody,
 
I just posted bugzilla
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=220384 

Just installed Beta 2 in a VMware.

In order to compile the Tools, the Kernel Header include files are
quired.
Installed the package 'linux-kernel-headers', but they are from an
older kernel
(2.6.18-13, while installed kernel is 2.6.18.2-4)

Also in factroy tree, linux-kernel-headers is at 2.6.18-13


Severity is set to normal at the moment, even though it should be much
higher (but I assume as reporter I should not change that)

OR: Did I  miss something completely different? (that would render that
bugzilla report invalid?

Regards,
Dominique
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Linux-Kernel-Headers outdated

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 >>> Reply on 13-11-2006 16:00:21 <<<> Dominique Leuenberger wrote:> > Hi everybody,> >  > > I just posted bugzilla> > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=220384 > > > > Just installed Beta 2 in a VMware.> >> > In order to compile the Tools, the Kernel Header include files are> > quired.> > Installed the package 'linux-kernel-headers', but they are from an> > older kernel> > (2.6.18-13, while installed kernel is 2.6.18.2-4)> >> > Also in factroy tree, linux-kernel-headers is at 2.6.18-13> > > >> > Severity is set to normal at the moment, even though it should be> much> > higher (but I assume as reporter I should not change that)> >> > OR: Did I  miss something completely different? (that would render> that> > bugzilla report invalid?> >> > Regards,> > Dominique> > -> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >   > I have seen this vmware-tools/kernel header not matching  -problem> discussed in several groups and forums concerning several distros in> addition to SUSE. And not just rpm based ones. As for SUSE it has been> discussed already during the 9.x series.> > But I have still not found a solutions for it. I sure would like to see> a solution how to install the vmwaretools properly :)> > Although this is obviously not quite the right place, I'd like to use> the opportunity to ask for any pointers to this matter.> 
Vahis,
 
please read the Bugzilla Followup. I'm sorry for the noise I did. But it seems it's not the package linux-kernel-headers that is required, but the whole kernel-source.
 
After installing that package, I was able to run vmware-config-tools.pl without any problems.
 
Regards,
Dominique

Re: [opensuse-factory] VMWare Config [was: Linux-Kernel-Headers outdated]

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Vahis >>> Reply on 14-11-2006 9:18:07 <<<> Andreas Hanke wrote:> > Vahis schrieb:> >   > >> Everything is as It's says there. But the script keeps coming to> this:> >>> >> The directory of kernel headers (version @@VMWARE@@ UTS_RELEASE)> does> >> not match> >> your running kernel (version 2.6.18.2-4-default).  Even if the> module> >> were to> >> compile successfully, it would not load into the running kernel.> >> > >> > Again:> >> > You need to install the kernel-source package.> >   > > I have. I always do that.> > I have made instructions on my site for installing vmware by the time> 10.0 came out.> This is also mentioned there, but now following my own instructions> that> worked then, don't work anymore :(> > > The linux-kernel-headers package is not usable to build external> kernel> > modules; whether it matches the running kernel or not is if no> importance.> >> > The important thing is that the commands> >> > rpm -q kernel-default> > rpm -q kernel-source> >> > return exactly the same version.> >   > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> rpm -q kernel-default> kernel-default-2.6.18.2-4> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> rpm -q kernel-source> kernel-source-2.6.18.2-4> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~>> 
That's quiet odd. I really just installed the kernel-source, then started vmware-config-tools.pl and it compiled it perfectly.
Be sure to point to the right include in /usr/src/linux/include when it asks for (but most probably you did this).
 
Then, I did not have any problems.
 
Maybe it could be worth checking the file /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h ?
Just to be sure?
 
Another idea could come from an upgrade path you made, that the link /usr/src/linux is not pointing to the right place at yours.
 
Dominique

Re: [opensuse-factory] VMWare-Config [was: Linux-Kernel-Headers outdated]

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 >>> Reply on 14-11-2006 13:00:22 <<<
> I installed another 10.1 for this test. VMware-tools installs there, no> problem with the kernel modules.> > > Anyway, what I wanted to see was if the tools would work any better in> 10.2 than the have so far in Linux.> > The windows client can run in its window and the cursor can go in and> out of the window when tools are installed. Can you confirm this> function working when running SUSE as guest?> > This has not been the case here. The cursor needs to be released from> the guest window by pressing Ctrl+Alt if the tools are there or not.> > So the tools in case of SUSE as guest are useless anyway. The display> properties can be adjusted just as fine with or without the tools, so> I'm not too worried about the tools.> > Also if I run a remote session to that guest SUSE with FreeNX, the> window works as any other window.> > Tools = no biggie :)
No, I can not confirm this. This still seems not to work with Linux Guests (I don't think it's specific to SUSE).
So the tools are really limited in usability...
 
Also the clipboard copy/paste functionaltity, which would be VERY handy, seems not to work (VM WS 5.5 on Win Host)
 
Dominique

Re: [opensuse-factory] How to name that 'thing' ?

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 >>> Reply on 14-11-2006 15:16:24 <<<> Hi,> > looking at> > http://en.opensuse.org/Package_Management#Package_source_directories_on_t> he_servers> > it seems that there is no agreement on how to name a 'software> repository',> 'installation source', 'catalog', 'channel', whatever ;-)> > I'm hereby asking the community to come forward with a proposal for a> proper> name.> 
Klaus,
 
I think the problem arised especially from the different tools to manage these 'things'
yum -> repositories
smart -> channels
yast -> installation sources
rug/zmd -> catalogs
 
(But I'm sure you knew this)
 
I for myself always use the wording 'repository', which is also very reflected on the BuildService (repos.opensuse.org).
 
But probably just a usability question. But I agree, it would be nice to have these wordings unified, but again: this will be VERY difficult when you explain the users how to use a specific program and they come with specific problems.
 
Dominique

Re: [opensuse-factory] Proposal on metadata fetching

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 >>> Reply on 14-11-2006 15:34:53 
> > For a detailed search do not download metadata but query a server. E.g> if im > looking for the string "foobar" and content cannot be found in the local> > metadatafile, Suse should not download further metadata, but contact an> > official server, which does the search.> > I do not know, what kind of server we need, if 10 or 100 thousends of> clients > will start search queries, but I think this may be faster, than fetching> so > much metadata all the time. I also do not know how many data must be> uploaded > in order to get this system working, so maybe it's a very bad idea and> not > realizeable, but perhaps there is a chance.
Marcel,
 
The idea of only having the RPM names / Summary is not bad IMHO. (maybe having an option for the user to decide HOW he would like to add the repo?)
 
The thing with the search engine sounds fascinating, but I don't think it's possible to realize: just think about all the repos that exist out there. How could they possibly EVER be included in a search? And in plus, the server you query should know in which repos to have a look, as obviously it should only offer packages from repos, you're subscribed to.
 
Dominique

[opensuse-factory] Mono in Factory ?

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hi everybody,

Am I right in my guess, that Mono 1.2 hit the market to late to get
integrated into openSUSE 10.2?
Especially, as a lot of the home made tools depend on Mono, this might
be a risky upgrade, right?

Dominique
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Mono in Factory ?

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> Reply on 23-11-2006 13:19:27 <<<

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
> > Am I right in my guess, that Mono 1.2 hit the market to late to
get
> > integrated into openSUSE 10.2?
> > Especially, as a lot of the home made tools depend on Mono, this
> might
> > be a risky upgrade, right?
> 
> Right. Yesterday, at the meeting, AJ said Mono won't be upgraded to
1.2
> in 10.2.
> 

ups, I missed a meeting.. RealLife(tm) was stronger :-)

I'll just head for the meeting minutes... Sorry for bothering with
this.

Regards,
Dominique
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Re: [opensuse-factory] 7/8 DVDs???

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> Reply on 24-11-2006 10:19:06 <<<

> On Friday, 24. November 2006 06:58, Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
> 
> > The size of the 86 DVDs dropped from 4GB to 3.5GB from beta2 to
rc1.
> > Where did the half gigabyte go?
> 
> The content of the Addon-Lang CD is not anymore included in the DVD
> iso.
> 

Why is this so? Why did the Language got removed? Up to the versions
beofre RC1, we had them. Do you now expect people of non-tier-1 to get a
DVD AND a CD?

Dominique
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[opensuse-factory] Fwd:SUSE Security Announcement: phpMyAdmin

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hi,

As Marcus just announed on the security mailing-list, SuSE Linux < 10.2
got updated to phpMyAdmin 2.9.1.1.
In the factory tree, there is 2.9.0.2 available.

Can we expect that at least 2.9.1.1 will be in 10.2 too? Or would you
like this filed in bugzilla for tracking?

Dominique

>>> Marcus Meissner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 24-11-2006 14:21:35 >>>

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

__

SUSE Security Announcement

Package:phpMyAdmin
Announcement ID:SUSE-SA:2006:071
Date:   Fri, 24 Nov 2006 12:00:00 +
Affected Products:  SUSE LINUX 10.1
SUSE LINUX 10.0
SUSE LINUX 9.3
Vulnerability Type: cross site scripting
Severity (1-10):6
SUSE Default Package:   yes
Cross-References:   CVE-2006-3388, CVE-2006-5116,
CVE-2006-5117
CVE-2006-5718

Content of This Advisory:
1) Security Vulnerability Resolved:
 phpMyAdmin security upgrade
   Problem Description
2) Solution or Work-Around
3) Special Instructions and Notes
4) Package Location and Checksums
5) Pending Vulnerabilities, Solutions, and Work-Arounds:
See SUSE Security Summary Report.
6) Authenticity Verification and Additional Information

__

1) Problem Description and Brief Discussion

   The phpMyAdmin package was upgraded to version 2.9.1.1.

   While we usually do not do version upgrades, fixing the occurring
   security problems of phpMyAdmin got too difficult so we decided to
   go with the current upstream version.

   This release includes fixes for the previously not fixed security
problems
   tracked by the Mitre CVE IDs CVE-2006-3388, CVE-2006-5116,
CVE-2006-5117,
   and CVE-2006-5718 and of course all other bugs fixed in 2.9.1.1.

2) Solution or Work-Around

   There is no known workaround, please install the update packages.

3) Special Instructions and Notes

   None.

4) Package Location and Checksums

   The preferred method for installing security updates is to use the
YaST
   Online Update (YOU) tool. YOU detects which updates are required
and
   automatically performs the necessary steps to verify and install
them.
   Alternatively, download the update packages for your distribution
manually
   and verify their integrity by the methods listed in Section 6 of
this
   announcement. Then install the packages using the command

 rpm -Fhv 

   to apply the update, replacing  with the filename of the
   downloaded RPM package.


   Platform Independent:

   SUSE LINUX 10.1:
  
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/update/10.1/rpm/noarch/phpMyAdmin-2.9.1.1-2.1.noarch.rpm

  fb85f5fed5abc54bdbd1309678d80875

   SUSE LINUX 10.0:
  
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/update/10.0/rpm/noarch/phpMyAdmin-2.9.1.1-2.1.noarch.rpm

  dfb67d57dc9f17df7f7531ffd2d51a85

   SUSE LINUX 9.3:
  
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/update/9.3/rpm/noarch/phpMyAdmin-2.9.1.1-2.1.noarch.rpm

  b7216edcb198fe74fe5dc4feeafdc0d5

   Sources:

   SUSE LINUX 10.1:
  
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/update/10.1/rpm/src/phpMyAdmin-2.9.1.1-2.1.src.rpm

  4e334b1e1909a0fc17bd02148bf770ac

   SUSE LINUX 10.0:
  
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/update/10.0/rpm/src/phpMyAdmin-2.9.1.1-2.1.src.rpm

  1aa59e5aa181820c771c2ef465128866

   SUSE LINUX 9.3:
  
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/update/9.3/rpm/src/phpMyAdmin-2.9.1.1-2.1.src.rpm
  026a7b85870c558d37724ef96b81c5a9

__

5) Pending Vulnerabilities, Solutions, and Work-Arounds:

   See SUSE Security Summary Report.
__

6) Authenticity Verification and Additional Information

  - Announcement authenticity verification:

SUSE security announcements are published via mailing lists and on
Web
sites. The authenticity and integrity of a SUSE security
announcement is
guaranteed by a cryptographic signature in each announcement. All
SUSE
security announcements are published with a valid signature.

To verify the signature of the announcement, save it as text into a
file
and run the command

  gpg --verify 

replacing  with the name of the file where you saved the
announcement. The output for a valid signature looks like:

  gpg: Signature made  using RSA key ID 3D25D3D9
  gpg: Good signature from "SuSE Security Team <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

where  is replaced by the date the document was signed.

If the security team's key is not contained in your key ring, you
can
import it from the first installation CD. To import the key

Re: [opensuse-factory] zmd not running

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> Reply on 24-11-2006 14:38:34 <<<

> That's what zmd-updater says, but it turns out that zmd-daemon is
> actually 
> running:
> 
> rczmd status
> Checking for ZENworks Management Daemon:
> running
> 
> ps ax | grep zmd
>  3140 ?SNsl   0:01 zmd /usr/lib/zmd/zmd.exe
> 
> I have a fresh RC1 installation.
> 
> Right after installation there were 2 identical icons with
zmd-updater.
> 
> After reboot, there's only one icon, but I get "zmd not running".
> 
> The update system so much needs to _just work_ this time around.
> 
> I'll look into bugzilla and file blockers if necessary.
> 

Silviu,

I have seen something similiar (not exactly, as I didn't go for RC1
yet). it seems ZMD is locking the replies while doing a refresh.
For example, before sqlite-zmd was introduced, you could do a rug
refresh and a rug lu in a second terminal. rug lu gave immediate
response (whith old data).

now, rug lu waits for rug refresh to finish.

Probably zen-updater is waiting for zmd to finish the refresh

O zi buna!

Dominique
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Fwd:SUSE Security Announcement: phpMyAdmin

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> Reply on 24-11-2006 14:50:53 <<<

> "Dominique Leuenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > As Marcus just announed on the security mailing-list, SuSE Linux <
> 10.2
> > got updated to phpMyAdmin 2.9.1.1.
> > In the factory tree, there is 2.9.0.2 available.
> >
> > Can we expect that at least 2.9.1.1 will be in 10.2 too? Or would
you
> > like this filed in bugzilla for tracking?
> 
> We updated already:
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-commit/2006-11/msg01330.html
> 

Andreas,

sorry, I missed that mail or did not give it enough importance. Usually
I try to follow the commit-list.

Dominique
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Re: [opensuse-factory] zmd not running

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> Reply on 24-11-2006 16:13:32 <<<

> D(Bòa Pi 24. November 2006 13:40 Dominique Leuenberger napísal:
> > >>> Reply on 24-11-2006 14:38:34 <<<
> > >
> > > That's what zmd-updater says, but it turns out that zmd-daemon is
> > > actually
> > > running:
> > >
> > > rczmd status
> > > Checking for ZENworks Management Daemon:
> > > running
> > >
> > > ps ax | grep zmd
> > >  3140 ?SNsl   0:01 zmd /usr/lib/zmd/zmd.exe
> > >
> > > I have a fresh RC1 installation.
> > >
> > > Right after installation there were 2 identical icons with
> >
> > zmd-updater.
> >
> > > After reboot, there's only one icon, but I get "zmd not running".
> > >
> > > The update system so much needs to _just work_ this time around.
> > >
> > > I'll look into bugzilla and file blockers if necessary.
> >
> > Silviu,
> >
> > I have seen something similiar (not exactly, as I didn't go for RC1
> > yet). it seems ZMD is locking the replies while doing a refresh.
> > For example, before sqlite-zmd was introduced, you could do a rug
> > refresh and a rug lu in a second terminal. rug lu gave immediate
> > response (whith old data).
> >
> > now, rug lu waits for rug refresh to finish.
> >
> > Probably zen-updater is waiting for zmd to finish the refresh
> 
> Yes, there was some work done to make ZMD more thread-safe.
> 

Stano,

as far as I followed the bug report about this issue, zmd was not really done 
more 'thread safe' yet. Solely the sqlite db for zmd was downgraded to 3.2.8 
instead of the distribution wide installed 3.3 (sqlite-zmd was added)

This work is still to be done I guess :-)

Dominique

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Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> Reply on 24-11-2006 17:40:53 <<<

> On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
> /pub/opensuse/10.2 would be enough. Of course 10.2 is a distribution
and
> 
> repeating the opensuse does not help understanding the structure. I
also
> 
> thing repositories is not needed at all.
> 

I think the distinguishion between dist end repositories as it is in
the moment is quiet important.AFAIR, in repositories, you find the
mirror of repos.opensuse.org, including the community packages. Counting
them at this moment inside the dist is quiet dangerous. Not all of these
packages (for not to say none) go through a rough QC.

distribution on the other hand is the 'official' cd/dvd/ftp
installation tree.

but shorter names would be great. Less to type is always good!

Dominique
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Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> Reply on 24-11-2006 18:00:45 <<<

> Am Friday 24 November 2006 16:42 schrieb Dominique Leuenberger:
> > >>> Reply on 24-11-2006 17:40:53 <<<
> > >
> > > On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
> > > /pub/opensuse/10.2 would be enough. Of course 10.2 is a
> distribution
> >
> > and
> >
> > > repeating the opensuse does not help understanding the structure.
I
> >
> > also
> >
> > > thing repositories is not needed at all.
> >
> > I think the distinguishion between dist end repositories as it is
in
> > the moment is quiet important.AFAIR, in repositories, you find the
> > mirror of repos.opensuse.org, including the community packages.
> Counting
> > them at this moment inside the dist is quiet dangerous. Not all of
> these
> > packages (for not to say none) go through a rough QC.
> >
> > distribution on the other hand is the 'official' cd/dvd/ftp
> > installation tree.
> >
> > but shorter names would be great. Less to type is always good!
> 
> you need to keep in mind that only a few users type these names at
all.
> Sure, on this list the number of people who type is higher ;)
> 
> But the main goal is to lead the people to the right directory (and
they
> are 
> using a mouse for doing that).
> 

Hmm.. Good point Adrian. I should get used to that thing close to my
keyboard... how did you call it? Mouse? :-)
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[opensuse-factory] Re: SuSEfirewall [was: Massive Feature Request of new Yast Modulesfor 10.3]

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> Reply on 28-11-2006 9:47:01 <<<

> Pascal Bleser wrote:
> >> What do you think ? 
> > 
> > I'd rather vote for enhancing the firewall module ;)
> > FTP server isn't a bad idea though, help about that is asked now
and
> > then on #suse (IRC).
> 
> I have plans (and features) to enhance the firewall module in 10.3
but
> it would be nice to hear what exactly users need.
> 
> Could you, please, give me more information? You can also send me a
> patch then :) ;)
> 
> Thanks
> Lukas
> 
> 

Not sure if I'm now gonna tell something stupid or wrong.. but if so,
please tell me... that's called 'the process of learning'.

The last time I was digging a bit deeper inside the SuSEfirewall2
config for configuring a DMZ, I had quiet a problem with giving
privileges from the DMZ to the internet segment.

A rule like $NET_DMZ,0/0,udp,53 is quiet nice, but also allows access
on udp,53 to the internal segment (it was a bastillon host, 3 nics). For
udp,53, you can say, ok... bearable.. but then comes the next an next
thing to open.. for all the different things needed.

(oh: I defined of course variables like $NET_DMZ=x.x.x.x/26 at the
beginning of the Surefirewall config file... made it a lot easier to
read and to maintain.

So maybe a rule like
$NET_DMZ,$DEV_EXT,udp,53 would be very nice to have... I assume it
won't be the easiest for the parser to recognice when you talk about a
deviceclass and when about an net/host, but it would be great.
Another problem might be that $DEV_EXT may contain more than one
device, thus rendering the syntax of the previous command illegal.

Dominique
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Package fails..

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> Reply on 04-12-2006 9:58:22 <<<

> On Friday 01 December 2006 09:11, Monkey 9 wrote:
> > ...
> > >
> > > You might also want to think carefully about which URLs you
leave
> > > visible on your desktop before broadcasting such a screen
capture.
> >
> > urls? what urls?
> 
> OK. A DNS name. It's in the taskbar shown in Saxf.jpg.
> 
> 

Randall,

if =you woulnd't have known this site, you'd probably not even have
remarked it.. so you just pointed it out :-)
But you have good eyes, I have to say... very observative!

Regards,
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Package fails..

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> Reply on 04-12-2006 17:48:20 <<<

> On Monday 04 December 2006 07:34, M9 wrote:
> > Randall R Schulz schreef:
> > > ...
> > >
> > > I certainly have never seen that site before, nor do I have even
> > > the slightest interest in what is purveyed there. The name is
> > > enough to signal its purpose.
> >
> > So i guess we will have to call you st. randall now eh?
> 
> I'm far from the typical sex-negative, puritanical American. I just 
> don't go for children.
> 
> 

Now I think you're exageraging a lot! The site that was visible on his
screenshot was talking about teen and you just offend him of being after
children? Maybe he just turned twenty, then it's normal to be affected
by this age. On the other hand, if you're 50, it's less likely... but
accusing him of being after children is plain unfair and rough!

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Re: [opensuse-factory] GM release

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> Reply on 06-12-2006 9:46:09 <<<
> BTW: The Lindows debacle should serve to remind us what can happen when
> the beast from Redmond considers itself (or its income streams!)
> threatened...
> 

Don't get this one: lindows got quiet a bunch of Money from Microsoft, so 
nothing bad happened. MS did NOT win that process in court, but the judge 
started to doubt that the registered trademark "Windows" could be faulty.

so what exactly was bad here?

Dominique

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[opensuse-factory] Restart factory

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hi,

when having a look on the commit mailinglist, it seems development for
10.3/11.0/xx.xx just started, right?
There are several base packages which would never have got an update
during 10.2 release (coreutils, bash)

Maybe some words about the strategy for the upcoming release? What is
planned for the next version? On what do we put our focuses? 

Dominique
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Re: [opensuse-factory] perfect 10.2 GM download

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> Reply on 07-12-2006 12:59:46 <<<

> I'd just like to share my excitement how fast the
> openSUSE-10.2-GM-DVD-i386.iso download went this morning.
> 
> The corresponding x86_64 torrent is pretty fast, too, quite an
> improvement from last release.
> 
> Congratulations!
> 

something I can only second. The download I started last night was
perfectly finished this morning (downloaded i586 and x86_64 isos). And I
'only; have a 2mbit DSL.

And a promise on the side: I'll continue seeding it for a while :-) so
hopefully a lot more will download it.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Groan :-(

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> Reply on 12-12-2006 11:23:42 <<<

> Anybody try executing 'make cloneconfig' in 10.2 GM?
> 
> Here is the sorry result:
> 
> dhcppc0:/usr/src/linux # make cloneconfig
> /usr/src/linux-2.6.18.2-34/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 11: gcc:
command
> 
> not found
> /usr/src/linux-2.6.18.2-34/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 12: gcc:
command
> 
> not found
>HOSTCC  scripts/basic/fixdep
> /bin/sh: gcc: command not found
> make[1]: *** [scripts/basic/fixdep] Error 127
> make: *** [scripts_basic] Error 2
> 

Ermm.. with this error, I would suggest you install the package gcc
then this one should be solved... 

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Re: [opensuse-factory] ifolder server on 10.3

[Dominique Leuenberger]

 

>>> Reply on 14-12-2006 9:35:59 <<<> On 12/13/06, Ted Bullock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Will the ifolder server be available as a package in the 10.3
release
> or
> > will it remain as an external package?
> >
> 
> Is there a voting for this enhancement somewhere? I would like to
see
> iFolder in openSUSE too.

I would think it's important to go in the base deistribution (what is
on the dvd) and what can be added by external repos (like the
BuildService).
Honestly, I prefer adding many small, specific repos than adding a huge
external one, which risks to try to replace base libs even when it's not
'required'.
 
As long as there is space on the DVD (5CDs) I would say we can add it,
otherwise better have it in an external repo. I don't think the iFolder
Server is interesting for every user at home, it is a more specific tool
(also not comparable to an apache, which is very often installed for
development). The iFolder client of course should be on the base
install
 
Dominique

[opensuse-factory] rug / zypper comparision

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hi,

I'm getting with this to the factory list as I don't want to bother
'regular user support' in the opensuse-ML.

Everybody nowadays is talking about how much better zypper would be
compared to rug/zmd.
Can somebody just in short tell me where the advantage is? Ok: it does
not use the zm-daemon, but this one is running quiet nice in 10.2
(didn't have to many probs yet.. or I'm not aware of them...)

On the other hand, with zypper, I always have to su just to install a
single package.

That's something I like about rug for example: I can add a catalog as
su, subscribe to it, and from there my users are allowed to grab
packages. Without knowing the su password. But they are not allowed to
install an rpm using rug (at least that was what my test showed me: it's
ok to INstall from a subscribed catalog, but nor from a local rpm)

And in overall, rug feels 'faster' for me compared to zypper. This
especially as zypper, whenever I do something like zypper lu or zypper
se, refreshes the catalogs. There seems to be no caching at all or it's
not working for me. and this makes zypper quiet slow. rug OTOH just
gives me the requested output. The fact, that an update can happen on a
repo just in the time between the last refresh, is quiet low. I admit,
in some cases this lead to unresolvable dependencies.

So: I'm looking forward to hear some other statements, maybe
corrections.

Dominique
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Zenupdater unable to solve dependencies

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> On 09-01-2007 at 03:57, Andreas Hanke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Robert Schiele schrieb:
>> Huh?  And how do you expect people that have the 64bit Firefox from
the
>> installation get their security update then?
> 
> That doesn't really matter after having it offered for more than 2
> weeks, by now most x86_64 users have been upgraded to
> MozillaFirefox.x86_64 anyways, so this question is obsolete now.
> 

I have a Mozilla Firefox 64bit edition installed on my Box and the
flash plugin works great in there (flash is known to exist only as
32bit).
I have the nspluginwrapper installed (from repos.opensuse.org/mozilla)
and this works just great.

So a 64bit Firefox and a 32bit flash plugin. 

Regards,

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Better Support for Intel Macs 10.3

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> On 09-01-2007 at 12:24, Marcel Hilzinger
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 9. Januar 2007 11:20 schrieb Stephan Kulow:
>> Am Dienstag, 9. Januar 2007 11:15 schrieb Marcel Hilzinger:
>> > Shall I create a wiki-page for the problems or bugzilla entries?
Or is
>> > perfect intel mac support not a goal at all?
>>
>> Well, openSUSE is an open project and all components you have
problems with
>> are open source. So if you can find enthusiasts, I'm sure you can
define it
>> as an openSUSE goal. But I'm afraid (and I only speak for myself)
the
>> market for linux on intel macs is just too small to aim for
perfection - so
>> bugzilla entries will have to come with attached hardware atm, as
SUSE
>> developers usually do not have Intel macs and most problems seem
hardware
>> specific.
> Just tell me your birthday and I will see, what I can do ;-)
> 

Marcel,

mine is very soon, by the end of march :-)

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[opensuse-factory] RUG more 'solid'

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hi,

I'm trying to bring my 10.2 Installation up to Factory again to follow
the development and start yelling when something goes wrong :-)

so far, I did not see new errors (but was also not able to upgrade
yet). The only thing I still see with zmd/rug is:
When there are to many packages coming in (at the moment I should
update ~ 1050 packages), I can almost be certain that the upgrade
fails.

To high the chances that the download of any single package gets a
failure and kills the whole task, usually even killing zmd. Most likely
that's an issue you can not see within the Novell Network, when getting
the packages from a local server with high bandwidth. Unfortunately, I'm
only connected with 2.5Mbps, and thus it appears a bit more likely.

Is there something that could be done against this? I mean: I have
nothing against a failure... but at least zmd should stay active and
allow me to relkaunch a rug up (and no: as long as zypper gives me this
subjective feeling of being slow, I prefer having zmd/rug running, with
a sleep timer set to 60 minutes, and I don't want to hassle around with
smart for the moment).

Looking forward for some comments,
Dominique
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Re: [opensuse-factory] RUG more 'solid'

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>>> On 12-01-2007 at 10:35, Stanislav Visnovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> D*a Pi 12. Január 2007 09:30 Dominique Leuenberger napísal:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm trying to bring my 10.2 Installation up to Factory again to follow
>> the development and start yelling when something goes wrong :-)
>>
>> so far, I did not see new errors (but was also not able to upgrade
>> yet). The only thing I still see with zmd/rug is:
>> When there are to many packages coming in (at the moment I should
>> update ~ 1050 packages), I can almost be certain that the upgrade
>> fails.
>>
>> To high the chances that the download of any single package gets a
>> failure and kills the whole task, usually even killing zmd. Most likely
>> that's an issue you can not see within the Novell Network, when getting
>> the packages from a local server with high bandwidth. Unfortunately, I'm
>> only connected with 2.5Mbps, and thus it appears a bit more likely.
> 
> I think this is worth a bug report. Does it really kill ZMD or ZMD just 
> stops 
> to respond?
> 
> Stano

Stano,

The zmd process is still there, but seems to be irresponsive. a rug ping says 
it's dead. I did not check this time what rczmd status gives me. I'll recreate 
the failure this evening and post a bug report afterwards.

Regards,
Dominique

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[opensuse-factory] ZMD Database

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hi,

I'm just in process of a bit analyzing the Zen Process... 

Some comments / questions on the database:
- The Table catalogs contains a field 'checksum', which parse-repodata
is comparing on. But on my respective DB, this field is empty, with
exception to @system
As far as I understood parse-repodata, it would skip the whole parser
in case the checksum were identical. (probably imrpoving the 'wakeup
speed'?) could we store a checksum found in repomd.xml in here?

On wakeup, the repo is downloaded and compared.. so by downloading
repomd.xml (which is always very small) and comparing the hash to i.e.
the has stored for primary.xml[.gz] found in repomd.xml, could improve a
bit here.

Comments?

Am I completely off or could this be a direction? I would also be
willing to help coding on this product. With whom should I get in touch
for this? (I don't just want to implement a patch on 'good luck'. It
should be discussed first)

Dominique



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[opensuse-factory] 'incomplete pattern' should be ok

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hi.

I like the system with patterns, it is quiet a nice thing and withing
YaST it works perfect.

Unfortunately, if you try to delete some packages on rug, it very often
'suggests' to uninstall the whole pattern, even though you would say
everything could work without this package.

you can delete the package without any problems using YaSY.

Something new or something only I see? some misconfiguration on my
side? Or a bug? (nah.. that can not be)

Do you need some specific packages when this happen in case I create a
bugreport?

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[opensuse-factory] Kernel Upgrade 2.6.20

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hi everybody,

As I have the ftp factory tree in my installation sources, of course My
OS is constantly trying to update around 1000 packages. So far no
problem at att :-) (except my low bandwidth.. but that's another
story).

Just one question: Does somebody know when the kernel upgrade to 2.6.20
might be possible? So far, the kernel (in rc4) is there, but an update
is not possible es for example the wlan-kmp is missing (and yes, I'm on
a wireless connection). But still, I would like to test on the new
kernel, as some features of my notebook (Flash Media) should finally be
supported :-)

Or is there something I can contribute in this case?

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Flash 9 as a YOU update for 10.2?

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> On 22-01-2007 at 17:14, Silviu Marin-Caea
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I know that it would be out-of-the-ordinary to do a version update
through YOU 
> for a released SUSE, but an update to flash9 would really benefit a
huge lot 
> 
> of users and would just make SUSE look good (perhaps appear on digg 
> frontpage).
> 
> It's not such a large file and does not have the potential to break
other 
> things in the distro.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
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In general, I would say a good idea. As Flash 7 brings several problems
with pages that Flash 9 solves.

I have one issue when upgrading (does not concern 'regular' users, but
the issue can be interesting to follow):
If one installs the x86_64 edition fo Firefox (I did so) and the
nspluginwrapper to be able to use the 32bit plugings (like flash, works
great) there is an issue with updating the plugins:

On installation of nspluginwrapper, a 'cache' of existing plugins is
created (the plugins get wrapped); FF only uses these wrapped plugins.
So after upgrading the 'real' Flash Plugin to Version 9, FF still only
had the Version 7 Plugin.

For the future, such a case should be solveable, as 64bit FF with the
wrapper will most likely get more common than it is today.

Greetings,
Dominique

@WR: I hope you don't mind me CCing here, as you're the Mozilla
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Flash 9 as a YOU update for 10.2?

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Sorry for that part.. usually I specifiy mails to the ML to skip the
global disclaimer.. This time I was just to fast. 

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[opensuse-factory] openSUSE KDE / Gnome Menu

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hi.

As far as I know, the Gnome Main menu as well as the new KDE Menu
(kicker, right?) were implemented by Novell. I think both are quiet a
nice thing.

As I prefer Gnome as my Desktop, I was wondering if the start menu
there will evolve a bit more, maybe in direction of Kicker? This tabbed
view of Kicker rocks. 

The Gnome Menu with the favourites is very handy, as it brings me all
the apps I most need. But on the other hand, the access to the 'other
Applications' is sometimes rather slow (takes about 3 seoncds to open on
my notebook). For this, the 'Applications tab' in KDE is very handy...
even though I think you need to click to much when going through the
menu levels.

What are other peoples thoughts about these menus?

Regards,
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Re: [opensuse-factory] GNOME: please report post /opt/gnome->/usr errors in your $HOME

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> On 25-01-2007 at 14:21, Stanislav Brabec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hallo.
> 
> Just now, the move to /usr in Factory and GNOME:UNSTABLE is nearly
> complete.
> 

Good to hear... as I knew there was ongoing work, I did not look to
much on errors in gnome these days... thank you for announcing this
here.

So let's start to find all these things and report them... Otherwise
Stanislav will start to think about a holiday :-)


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[opensuse-factory] Replacing TuxKart by SuperTuxKart

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hi everybody,

I was just a bit wondering: would it be possible for the development of
10.3 (I guess that's now the official name, isn't it?) to replace
TuxKart with SuperTuxKart?

I think TuxKart is way obsoleted by the latter one (current official
release v0.2, a new version most likely due in mid feb, with new physics
and full screen support)

Packages are already available in the BS, and I think a 'merge' in the
official tree could be very nice. I would even volunteer to continue the
maintenance of the package build for this package (as I'm maintaining it
already now in the BS).

Is there already an 'official' way to get packages in the official
distribution / replace obsolete ones ?

I understand that such leaf applications should not be the highest
priority, but I remember in 10.2 several users had problems with TK and
'converting' them to STK solved their issues and they could have fun.

Looking forward for your comments,
Dominique
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[opensuse-factory] TIFMxx Driver for 10.3

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hi everybody,

I was wondering if it would be possible to get the driver for Texas
Instrument FlashMedia Cardreaders in the next version of openSUSE. The
driver is available at http://developer.berlios.de/projects/tifmxx/
(Version 0.6 so far) and I tested it on 10.2; it works perfect.On the
web page it's mentioned that never versions are part of the main
kernel... but so far, with 2.6.20-rc5 I did not manage to get that thing
working. (ok: I did not compile an own kernel on my Notebook yet)

It would be very nice to get support for many more card readers by this
driver (TI FM is, as far as I could fine, used in many notebooks, like
for example the IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad z61m)

Regards,
Dominique
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Re: [opensuse-factory] TIFMxx Driver for 10.3

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> On 29-01-2007 at 11:57, Bernhard Walle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>* Dominique Leuenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[2007-01-29 10:39]:
>> 
>> I was wondering if it would be possible to get the driver for Texas
>> Instrument FlashMedia Cardreaders in the next version of openSUSE.
The
>> driver is available at http://developer.berlios.de/projects/tifmxx/

>> (Version 0.6 so far) and I tested it on 10.2; it works perfect.On
the
>> web page it's mentioned that never versions are part of the main
>> kernel... but so far, with 2.6.20-rc5 I did not manage to get that
thing
>> working. (ok: I did not compile an own kernel on my Notebook
yet)
>
>if it's in the mainline kernel, yes, openSUSE 10.3 will have it. :)
>It will be based on at least 2.6.20.

Bernhard,

as I said: with 2.6.20-rc5 (did not get the latest upgrade to rc6 yet)
the reader is not working. I am completely aware that 10.3 will be on
2.6.20 kernel. And as I said: I did not have a look in the kernel config
yet.. so maybe the module is just not build or whatever... some
fundamental answers would help more here.

Dominique












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Re: [opensuse-factory] TIFMxx Driver for 10.3

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> On 29-01-2007 at 23:16, Truth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 1/29/07, Dominique Leuenberger
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> as I said: with 2.6.20-rc5 (did not get the latest upgrade to rc6
yet)
>> the reader is not working. I am completely aware that 10.3 will be
on
>> 2.6.20 kernel. And as I said: I did not have a look in the kernel
config
>> yet.. so maybe the module is just not build or whatever... some
>> fundamental answers would help more here.
>>
>> Dominique
> 
> Hi,
> Currently I'm using a configed & compiled 2.6.19.2- the latest
stable
> kernel with TIFM support in the mainline codes. And it's working
fine
> except that KDE does not pop up a browsing window as it once did in
> SUSE 10.1. So I have to mount it manually everytime. Well, basicly,
> the module is working fine.
> 
> I suppose your problem a kernel config thing. Anyway,it's even fine
in
> 2.6.19. Guess you'd config and recompile the kernel 2.6.20 RCn.
> 
> Regards,
> Thruth
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Hi,

I opened a bugzilla entry for this, and hopefully we can get the driver
compiled in the default tree by Novell. This would make it wider
available also to 'normal' people and it would solve issues in case of
updated kernels.

The bugzilla entry is at:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=239773

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[opensuse-factory] Enhancement-Requests in BugZilla

[Dominique Leuenberger]

Hi everybody,

out of curiosity I checked bugzilla for Enhancement requests filed
against openSUSE 10.3 and there are some available.

I was wondering if there is a formal process / voting to bring them in
and if the community could help on anything.

I guess it will be best to start addressing them as early as possible
to have enough time for debugging afterwards.

Dominique
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Samba and SuSEfirewall

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> On 09-02-2007 at 15:08, Marcus Meissner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 02:04:02PM +0100, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
>> Just to conclude, the bug is (not) fixed (and won't be):
>> 
>> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=243809 
>> 
>> When Novell will stop giving non-answers it will be a nice day.
> 
> The rule quoted there effectively opens your whole firewall.
> 
> What is the point?
> 
> Ciao, Marcus
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I think for that issue it would be nice to have Network Manager
extended.

+: having different RuleSets of Ports being allowed and disallowed. I
could bind them to the SSID of a WLAN for example. Of course much more
difficult to distinguish between different wired networks.

Mazbe a similiar tool to NM just for the FW? Sitting in the tray and
showing different Firewall Rulesets?

There are other use cases with similiar problems like this. Samba is
one tool creating a BroadCast to find some services; Frozen Bubble for
example goes the same direction if you want to create a LAN Play. Users
have to fiddle with their FireWall configurations (or shut it down).

So I think there MIG+HT be some additional work required... most likely
nothing trivial to not open na huge whole. 

Dominique
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Samba and SuSEfirewall

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> On 09-02-2007 at 16:07, "M9." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have not been able to browse the network on a normal way since
10.0.
> With the interface like you said: >>put the respective network
interface
> into the Internal Zone,
>> > it has all ports opened by default.
> This is possibly not the most elegant solution, but
> I thank you very much for this realy simple workaround.  ;-)
> Just had to put options to owner, and guestlogin permitted, to get
rid
> of the loginmanager, which did not get me anywhere.
> 

I think with that setup you can as well also just disable the Firewall,
if you don't have more than one interface.

For home usage, this might even be a valid use case, in case you trust
your DSL-Router, which most likely already NAT's you to the Internet. 

Dominique

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Samba and SuSEfirewall

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> On 09-02-2007 at 16:26, "M9." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yep, i will just use the Router firewall again... ;-(
> I just do not understand, why an essential part, as a firewall, can
not
> be adjusted from the systemtray
> It should warn me when unknown enterings are at hand, so i can permit
or
> decline entrance, for once, or enduring
> 
> I do not know if it should be a part of another app, such as a
NetwMngr..
> I would rather have a seperate app, which shows me my ports and
traffic,
> and permitted apps and hosts.

The main problem in this scenario is the user: not knowing what the
message means, not knowing what danger it bears.. not caring at all..
and voila: let's open that... and that and that too... 

I'm sure you know the saying: 'security always brings some unpleasant
sideeffects'. Of course, users coming from Windows got used to have a
complete system which they can't control but it appears to do what they
want... or let's say: it seems to do what you want (plus a bit more).

I[m not sure if it's the right way to always compare what you can do in
Windows and what you can't do in Linux. Do we have to adopt all the
negative aspects from other platforms? Do we really want to raise the
potential security just for having the silliest implementation ever
working? 

Btw: what for do you need SMB Browsing anyway? The shares you'll ever
want to access are hopefully on a static IP; give the nodes a name (DNS)
and shares that have a talking name... and connect them directly... then
you just don't need SMB Browsing.

Dominique
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Samba and SuSEfirewall

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> "M9." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/10/07 11:49 AM >>>
>I did not encounter 'real' attacks yet, but
>I also agree that this should be fixed properly: Why does the firewall
>not respond to the usernames and passwords?
>If it would, there would be no problem at all.
>Normally one should be able to verify, and get access..

Maybe at this point it would be great if some people that experiance
this could also give some log reports from /var/log/firewall ? I for
myself can not test it, as I don't use samba and I don't see any reason
to connect the two Linux Comps using Samba together.

But with LogFiles (possible several versions, including some reboots)
could most likely simplify to find why such a specific case is blocked
and others not.

Dominique
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Samba and SuSEfirewall

[Dominique Leuenberger]

>>> "M9." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/10/07 2:43 PM >>>
> 
> Do I have to understand you are 'responsible' for the FW?
> And if so, do you want these logs sent to you?
> Or do I attach them to Bug # 243809 ?

Hi,

No.. so far I'm not associated more to Novell than you. Except maybe
also having other products than openSUSE installed in my Network.
But nevertheless, I have a big interest in firewalling and rules; 

I'd suggest to put such logs on bugzilla.

One possible way could be to open up the rule to the local subnet only
(I think almost nobody uses routing at home? The others probably know a
bit more about networking). This would minimize the impact to be exposed
to internet connections.

Dominique
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