[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] SUSE Linux 10.2 Alpha2 Release - and distribution rename
Andreas Jaeger wrote: Therefor the upcoming community/consumer version will be named openSUSE 10.2 well... I just notice that this need a rewriting of the front page first paragraph. I don't see any way to make it work with simply replacing SUSE Linux by openSUSE. We must have a way to use the word "Linux" there :-) (may be: openSUSE is the best Linux...) sorry :-(( jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] SUSE Linux 10.2 Alpha2 Release - and distribution rename
houghi wrote: On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 01:21:03PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: It's downloadable from today on and will be the last community/consumer distribution called SUSE Linux. We'll rename SUSE Linux into openSUSE. Great news. Not so much the name, but taking away the confusion. right. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] SUSE Linux 10.2 Alpha2 Release - and distribution rename
On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 10:27:38PM +0200, Martin Schlander wrote: > Torsdag 13 juli 2006 13:49 skrev houghi: > > Great news. Not so much the name, but taking away the confusion. > > You think this will end confusion? No. It will lessen the confusion. > - Many of us have been trying to explain to people that the distro is SUSE > Linux for the last 10 months. These people are going to be confused. The fact that we needed to explain should be a HUGE hint of how confusing it was. The majority of users still can't get it right. > - Many people have been running SUSE Linux for years, but don't follow the > news - they're going to be confused when they go to the store and the retail > box says "openSUSE". No, they won't. If they have been running SUSE for years, they will have at least heard the name openSUSE and the link with SUSE and Novell. What you sugest is the same as saying people might be confused about the Novell logo on SUSE. > - I already anticipate a lot of people being confused about non-oss being > available on the openSUSE dvd (assuming that'll still be the case on 10.2). > And we'll still have to do a lot of explaining. Most people will expect > that "open" means pure open source. Well, if such confusion would exist, we would have heard a LOT about it right now, as that is how the system already works in 10.1. The few pwople who are realy concerned by the complete openness or not of a distro will not buy it because it says open in the name. > - There's a huge infrastructure of forums, websites, irc-channels etc. that > will be obsoleted and have to change their names. Probably some of those > won't change their domain name - that will cause confusion too. Ever heard of re-directions? > - On the short term any name change will cause confusion - after all most > people know that SUSE Linux is the correct name. It won't be the correct name after 10.2 Beta 3. And don't you remember the days that is was called S.u.S.E, or SuSE or just SUSE instead of SUSE Linux? > Besides this namechange makes me feel like SLED/S is the "real" SUSE - and > SL/openSUSE is lowest priority (kind of the same feeling I had when the > package management changes were forced through after feature freeze), I > expect a lot of other people will also see this as a sign of SL getting lower > priority - which can harm the distro. The fact that people see this difference is already happening. I hear people taling about buying SLED instead of downloading 10.1 for whatever reason. I can not understand why that is a bad thing. Giving money to the people who develope openSUSE can not be a bad thing. I just hope that all of that extra money flows back to the developers. :-) > Also hereby a lot of the history that SUSE name had is lost. The name is also > too long. In other words - I don't like it. Ah, now we are at the real issue. You don't like it. Well, I don't like it either, yet it is the best option in this situation. > Furthermore the namechange will steal attention from the community project. > People will think openSUSE is just the name of the distro - and noone will > know or care about the project. I doubt it. I think it will draw MORE attention to the site and therefore more people will be learning about openSUSE. Then it is up to us (not Novell) to make it interesting enough for people to hang on. On that note, I hope Firefox and other browsers will point to openSUSE by default intead of Novell.com > ALL the people I know who actually use SUSE would have preferred to keep that > name. All the people I know who likes openSUSE don't know what it's about - > and don't use SUSE Linux. ALL the people I know who use SUSE AND the people I see posting prefere openSUSE. All the other people are confused by the two names gfor what they think is the same thing. > All in all I think this decision is made 100% for the benefit of SLED/S - with > little or no consideration for the many, many loyal and active SUSE Linux > users. I again fail to see how this should be a bad thing. More money means ongoing developement for openSUSE. > Current mood: Don't know whether to cry or break something. For me the cuurent mode is a hangover, but that has nothing to do with SUSE or openSUSE. On that matter I am happy. > To be fair I do see some benefits: > - Maybe now we can have everything on one server - unlike both > ftp.opensuse.org and ftp.suse.com Also, yes. > - A lot of people seem to like the name - hence it's been so damn hard trying > to explain to these goofballs it's not the name of the distro. Why would all these goofballs need this explanation? If you need explaining something that abovious over and over again, then perhaps the goofballs are on to something. At first I also thought openSUSE was the name of the new distro and you can look it up how often I went into discussion that the distro was NOT openSUSE but SUSE. > However I > believe most of these people liked the name because
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] SUSE Linux 10.2 Alpha2 Release - and distribution rename
Hi, On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote: On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Martin Schlander wrote: Torsdag 13 juli 2006 13:49 skrev houghi: Great news. Not so much the name, but taking away the confusion. You think this will end confusion? - Many of us have been trying to explain to people that the distro is SUSE Linux for the last 10 months. These people are going to be confused. - Many people have been running SUSE Linux for years, but don't follow the news - they're going to be confused when they go to the store and the retail box says "openSUSE". I agree totally. I am not sure what to say about this news. Oh boys, please try to see the other side: things got easier, got "clean" now again - because now openSUSE is SUSE. So call it short or long - it is the same. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] SUSE Linux 10.2 Alpha2 Release - and distribution rename
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Martin Schlander wrote: > Torsdag 13 juli 2006 13:49 skrev houghi: > > Great news. Not so much the name, but taking away the confusion. > > You think this will end confusion? > > - Many of us have been trying to explain to people that the distro is SUSE > Linux for the last 10 months. These people are going to be confused. > > - Many people have been running SUSE Linux for years, but don't follow the > news - they're going to be confused when they go to the store and the retail > box says "openSUSE". I agree totally. I am not sure what to say about this news. > - I already anticipate a lot of people being confused about non-oss being > available on the openSUSE dvd (assuming that'll still be the case on 10.2). > And we'll still have to do a lot of explaining. Most people will expect > that "open" means pure open source. > > - There's a huge infrastructure of forums, websites, irc-channels etc. that > will be obsoleted and have to change their names. Probably some of those > won't change their domain name - that will cause confusion too. > > - On the short term any name change will cause confusion - after all most > people know that SUSE Linux is the correct name. I think this is an other marketing ployee. I really prefered the SUSE Linux name. Now I am not sure what to think. I think this may cause more problems than it solves. > Besides this namechange makes me feel like SLED/S is the "real" SUSE - and > SL/openSUSE is lowest priority (kind of the same feeling I had when the > package management changes were forced through after feature freeze), I > expect a lot of other people will also see this as a sign of SL getting lower > priority - which can harm the distro. > > Also hereby a lot of the history that SUSE name had is lost. The name is also > too long. In other words - I don't like it. > > Furthermore the namechange will steal attention from the community project. > People will think openSUSE is just the name of the distro - and noone will > know or care about the project. > > ALL the people I know who actually use SUSE would have preferred to keep that > name. All the people I know who likes openSUSE don't know what it's about - > and don't use SUSE Linux. > > All in all I think this decision is made 100% for the benefit of SLED/S - with > little or no consideration for the many, many loyal and active SUSE Linux > users. > > Current mood: Don't know whether to cry or break something. +2 > To be fair I do see some benefits: > - Maybe now we can have everything on one server - unlike both > ftp.opensuse.org and ftp.suse.com > > - A lot of people seem to like the name - hence it's been so damn hard trying > to explain to these goofballs it's not the name of the distro. However I > believe most of these people liked the name because they thought that > openSUSE was non-Novell and 100% non-oss - and something different than SUSE > Linux - and for some reason they liked that idea. I just hope this is not a signal that our beloved SUSE Linux is becoming a lower priority. I found it very consistent from bottom to top. Now I am not really sure. I was able to start companies off with SUSE Linux and move them to SLES. Now I am afraid this is going to confuse them and make it harder to get customer to move up from openSUSE Linux to SLES. Having everything the same name made for a consistency. Well we will have to wait and see if this helps or hinders the cause. -- Boyd Gerber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] SUSE Linux 10.2 Alpha2 Release - and distribution rename
Torsdag 13 juli 2006 13:49 skrev houghi: > Great news. Not so much the name, but taking away the confusion. You think this will end confusion? - Many of us have been trying to explain to people that the distro is SUSE Linux for the last 10 months. These people are going to be confused. - Many people have been running SUSE Linux for years, but don't follow the news - they're going to be confused when they go to the store and the retail box says "openSUSE". - I already anticipate a lot of people being confused about non-oss being available on the openSUSE dvd (assuming that'll still be the case on 10.2). And we'll still have to do a lot of explaining. Most people will expect that "open" means pure open source. - There's a huge infrastructure of forums, websites, irc-channels etc. that will be obsoleted and have to change their names. Probably some of those won't change their domain name - that will cause confusion too. - On the short term any name change will cause confusion - after all most people know that SUSE Linux is the correct name. Besides this namechange makes me feel like SLED/S is the "real" SUSE - and SL/openSUSE is lowest priority (kind of the same feeling I had when the package management changes were forced through after feature freeze), I expect a lot of other people will also see this as a sign of SL getting lower priority - which can harm the distro. Also hereby a lot of the history that SUSE name had is lost. The name is also too long. In other words - I don't like it. Furthermore the namechange will steal attention from the community project. People will think openSUSE is just the name of the distro - and noone will know or care about the project. ALL the people I know who actually use SUSE would have preferred to keep that name. All the people I know who likes openSUSE don't know what it's about - and don't use SUSE Linux. All in all I think this decision is made 100% for the benefit of SLED/S - with little or no consideration for the many, many loyal and active SUSE Linux users. Current mood: Don't know whether to cry or break something. To be fair I do see some benefits: - Maybe now we can have everything on one server - unlike both ftp.opensuse.org and ftp.suse.com - A lot of people seem to like the name - hence it's been so damn hard trying to explain to these goofballs it's not the name of the distro. However I believe most of these people liked the name because they thought that openSUSE was non-Novell and 100% non-oss - and something different than SUSE Linux - and for some reason they liked that idea. Martin / cb400f - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] SUSE Linux 10.2 Alpha2 Release - and distribution rename
Hi, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote: > Cool name, but what's Basilisk? > Hopefully, having a look at the "Basilisk Lizard" is not as fatal as the basikisk of (1). Oxford English Dictionary says: basilisk [ad. L. basiliscus, a. Gr. <...> a kinglet, a kind of serpent, the golden-crested wren, dim. of <...> king: see -ISK. The Latin form was occas. used unchanged from 14th to 17th c.; Caxton, in 15th c., introduced forms after Fr. basilique, now basilic; and in 17th c., basilisco, -sko, after Sp., occur.] [<...> denotes some Greek characters] "1. A fabulous reptile, also called a cockatrice, alleged to be hatched by a serpent from a cock's egg; ancient authors stated that its hissing drove away all other serpents, and that its breath, and even its look, was fatal. [So called, says Pliny, from a spot, resembling a crown, on its head; mediæval authors furnished it with ‘a certain combe or coronet.’]" "3. transf. A large cannon, generally made of brass" "4. Zool. A small American lizard of the family Iguanidæ, having on the top of its head a hollow crest which can be inflated at will." Tobias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] SUSE Linux 10.2 Alpha2 Release - and distribution rename
On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 04:42:41PM +0200, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 13. Juli 2006 13:21 schrieb Andreas Jaeger: > > We're glad to announce SUSE Linux 10.2 Codename "Basilisk Lizard" > > Alpha2. > > Cool name, but what's Basilisk? http://tinyurl.com/fklv2 -- houghi Do not toppost http://houghi.org Dr. Walter Gibbs: Won't that be grand? Computers and the programs will start thinking and the people will stop. -- Tron (1982) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] SUSE Linux 10.2 Alpha2 Release - and distribution rename
Am Donnerstag, 13. Juli 2006 13:21 schrieb Andreas Jaeger: > We're glad to announce SUSE Linux 10.2 Codename "Basilisk Lizard" > Alpha2. Cool name, but what's Basilisk? > It's downloadable from today on and will be the last > community/consumer distribution called SUSE Linux. We'll rename SUSE > Linux into openSUSE. Hopefully, the lowercase open isn't a second class citizen in the company with the capitalized SUSE.. even if the big brother is to blame for the real bad influence here! > > SUSE Linux 10.2 Alpha2 is slowly moving to 10.1. This is funny since we all hope to keep that illness behind soon! > We have not done > any real major updates yet but lots of minor changes, I list some > below: > > Desktop > * freetype 2.2.1 Cool, we're finally get the dirt out of the corners.. Pete - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] SUSE Linux 10.2 Alpha2 Release - and distribution rename
Hello, Am Donnerstag, 13. Juli 2006 13:49 schrieb houghi: > On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 01:21:03PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > > It's downloadable from today on and will be the last > > community/consumer distribution called SUSE Linux. We'll rename > > SUSE Linux into openSUSE. > > Great news. Not so much the name, but taking away the confusion. Mostly yes - but I'm afraid it will create some confution in bugzilla about selecting the correct product... (well, not really, there is already with the "old" name - but we will see new variants of it ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz -- P.S.: Christian, ich bereite schonmal deine Antwort vor: [...] |Glaubst du mir jetzt, daß CVS Kommentare hilfreich sind *g* |[Liste der von Ratti vergessenen Änderungen, direkt mit sed awk grep |find echo erstellt aus irgendeiner ~/.cvs/.hidden/.cvs_obscure-Datei..] [Ratti in fontlinge-devel] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] SUSE Linux 10.2 Alpha2 Release - and distribution rename
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > "Dinar Valeev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > SUSE-Linux-10.2-Alpha2-i386.torrent instead > > SUSE-Linux-10.1-RC1-i386.torrent:) > Argh :-( Must be the hot weather... definitely ;) Regards Christoph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] SUSE Linux 10.2 Alpha2 Release - and distribution rename
"Dinar Valeev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > SUSE-Linux-10.2-Alpha2-i386.torrent instead SUSE-Linux-10.1-RC1-i386.torrent:) Argh :-( Thanks, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpbS00Bm0Rqv.pgp Description: PGP signature
[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] SUSE Linux 10.2 Alpha2 Release - and distribution rename
On 7/13/06, Andreas Jaeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Download URLs for the torrents of the ISOs: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.2-Alpha2/SUSE-Linux-10.1-RC1-i386.torrent http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.2-Alpha2/SUSE-Linux-10.1-RC1-ppc.torrent http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.2-Alpha2/SUSE-Linux-10.1-RC1-x86_64.torrent Download URLs for the Add-On Media torrent: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.2-Alpha2/SUSE-Linux-10.1-RC1-Addon-BiArch.torrent http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.2-Alpha2/SUSE-Linux-10.1-RC1-Addon-ppc.torrent i think you have bug on download links too. SUSE-Linux-10.2-Alpha2-i386.torrent instead SUSE-Linux-10.1-RC1-i386.torrent:)
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] SUSE Linux 10.2 Alpha2 Release - and distribution rename
houghi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 01:21:03PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: >> It's downloadable from today on and will be the last community/consumer >> distribution called SUSE Linux. We'll rename SUSE Linux into openSUSE. > > Great news. Not so much the name, but taking away the confusion. > >> SUSE Linux 10.2 Alpha2 is slowly moving to 10.1. We have not done any >> real major updates yet but lots of minor changes, I list some below: > > Towards 10.2 is suppose you mean. ;-) Yes. > Let the testing commence. Thanks for reporting this bug - I'll close it as WONTFIX ;-) Cheers, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpjr2bH35nTu.pgp Description: PGP signature
[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] SUSE Linux 10.2 Alpha2 Release - and distribution rename
On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 01:21:03PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > It's downloadable from today on and will be the last community/consumer > distribution called SUSE Linux. We'll rename SUSE Linux into openSUSE. Great news. Not so much the name, but taking away the confusion. > SUSE Linux 10.2 Alpha2 is slowly moving to 10.1. We have not done any > real major updates yet but lots of minor changes, I list some below: Towards 10.2 is suppose you mean. ;-) Let the testing commence. houghi -- This openSUSE mailinglist is about the community. All discussion about the community is welcome.If you have a techical question just subscribe via this email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED], post your original email again there, and you will get a straight answer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
