Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-ux] Liberation fonts as default
* Stephan Kulow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-06-17 14:21]: > Am Saturday 16 June 2007 schrieb Stephan Binner: > > On Thursday 14 June 2007 06:02:29 Mohammad Bhuyan wrote: > > > I was thinking if the future distributions install them as default fonts > > > in Desktop and apps, then it will look good out of the box. > > > > What's wrong with DejaVu? Why has the default desktop to use MS metrics? I > > see sense for using it in office documents but desktop/application > > interfaces? > Because web sites are layout for these metrics. And web sites are an important > part of today's desktops. And what's the exact releationship between the desktop font and the default font in the browser? Thanks, Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-ux] Liberation fonts as default
Hello,
on Sonntag, 17. Juni 2007, Stephan Kulow wrote:
> Am Saturday 16 June 2007 schrieb Stephan Binner:
> > What's wrong with DejaVu? Why has the default desktop to use MS
> > metrics? I see sense for using it in office documents but
> > desktop/application interfaces?
>
> Because web sites are layout for these metrics. And web sites are an
> important part of today's desktops.
*ROTFL*
Sorry, but websites with 100% exact layout are things that will _never_
happen because
- you don't know the size (especially width) of the browser window, so
linebreaks aren't always the same
- users can change the font size
- a font might be missing
- additional CSS code defined in the browser ("user stylesheet")
- browser bugs
- unexpected browsers (lynx anyone? ;-)
- ...
This doesn't mean that a page has to break on these things - if the
author did his job well, it will look good at all fonts and font sizes,
with any window size etc. so the page is nearly unbreakable.
(You might have noticed my stress test on the redesign for
*.opensuse.org in opensuse-wiki ;-)
If you really want to have a perfectly reproducable layout on your
website, you should publish it as PNG instead of using HTML ;-) - but
don't complain if search engines and also your visitors don't really
like this...
Regards,
Christian Boltz
--
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Highlights: 40 Ackerkulturen - Rebsortenweg - Versuche - Weinprobe -
Tierschau - Schafschur - Oldtimer-Schlepper - Essen & Getränke
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-ux] Liberation fonts as default
Am Saturday 16 June 2007 schrieb Stephan Binner: > On Thursday 14 June 2007 06:02:29 Mohammad Bhuyan wrote: > > I was thinking if the future distributions install them as default fonts > > in Desktop and apps, then it will look good out of the box. > > What's wrong with DejaVu? Why has the default desktop to use MS metrics? I > see sense for using it in office documents but desktop/application > interfaces? Because web sites are layout for these metrics. And web sites are an important part of today's desktops. Greetings, Stephan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-ux] Liberation fonts as default
On Thursday 14 June 2007 06:02:29 Mohammad Bhuyan wrote: > I was thinking if the future distributions install them as default fonts in > Desktop and apps, then it will look good out of the box. What's wrong with DejaVu? Why has the default desktop to use MS metrics? I see sense for using it in office documents but desktop/application interfaces? Also when people here had a look at this first Liberation version they noticed several broken characters iirc, and if Novell/SUSE would decide to fix them it would have afaik to fork and give it a name according to Liberation license. Bye, Steve - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-ux] Liberation fonts as default
On Thursday 14 June 2007 16:10:31 David Miller wrote: > I would love to see this happen. There are packages already available here: > http://software.opensuse.org/download/home:/mrdocs/openSUSE_10.2/repodata/r > Couldn't this package just be moved into the oss repo or install disks? How about doing some checking first? ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/noarch/liberation-fonts-0.1-11.noarch.rpm Bye, Steve - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-ux] Liberation fonts as default
Den Thursday 14 June 2007 16:40:04 skrev du: > You confuse me. Your mail implies the package is not in Factory - which is > simply not the case. So it is. http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/index.jsp?searchTerm=liberation&distro=SUSE_Factory Sorry. Everything is great. Looking forward to testing them when I install a5 later today. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-ux] Liberation fonts as default
Am Donnerstag 14 Juni 2007 schrieb Martin Schlander: > Den Thursday 14 June 2007 06:02:29 skrev Mohammad Bhuyan: > > Just installed Liberations Fonts (Red Hat) and changed KDE Desktop > > fonts to use them. I am not using sub pixel hinting and don't plan to > > use them due to MS patent over it. > > > > Now that there is an open replacement for MS fonts to distribute > > freely (I assume that is the point of Liberation fonts), I was > > thinking if the future distributions install them as default fonts in > > Desktop and apps, then it will look good out of the box. > > Think this is more a matter for -factory than for -ux. Therefore CC'ing. > > I also think this is something that needs to be reviewed. If it's not ready > to be default it should at least be available on repos. In any case we need Hi Martin! You confuse me. Your mail implies the package is not in Factory - which is simply not the case. And if you volunteer to evaluate them seriously, you're very much welcome. Using the desktop with the font changed to be default in several languages (zh_TW, zh_CN, ko_KR, jp_JP, cs_CZ and de_DE should suffice) and checking if it looks ok should be a good start. Because changing font defaults has _always_ caused problems for SUSE, so we really will only do this if it makes no problems. Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-ux] Liberation fonts as default
On Thursday 14 June 2007 12:25:58 pm Martin Schlander wrote: > Perhaps liberation fonts can replace Agfa-fonts.. one less proprietary > package to worry about. I would love to see this happen. There are packages already available here: http://software.opensuse.org/download/home:/mrdocs/openSUSE_10.2/repodata/repoview/liberation-fonts-0-0.1-5.1.html Couldn't this package just be moved into the oss repo or install disks? -- Best Regards, David Miller - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-ux] Liberation fonts as default
Den Thursday 14 June 2007 06:02:29 skrev Mohammad Bhuyan: > Just installed Liberations Fonts (Red Hat) and changed KDE Desktop > fonts to use them. I am not using sub pixel hinting and don't plan to > use them due to MS patent over it. > > Now that there is an open replacement for MS fonts to distribute > freely (I assume that is the point of Liberation fonts), I was > thinking if the future distributions install them as default fonts in > Desktop and apps, then it will look good out of the box. Think this is more a matter for -factory than for -ux. Therefore CC'ing. I also think this is something that needs to be reviewed. If it's not ready to be default it should at least be available on repos. In any case we need an official comment on it, and a good reason not to use it, if we won't, or people will automatically assume it's about politics and RedHat. Perhaps liberation fonts can replace Agfa-fonts.. one less proprietary package to worry about. From what I can tell Liberation Fonts is definitely a project we should support. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
