[opensuse-factory] You working style

2006-06-16 Thread jdd

10.1

I tried to use YOU to install ordinary software. this works 
without problem. we have now the same menus in YOU than in 
software install (yast).


_but_

* when installing, Yast/you always speaks about patches 
beeing installed in any message/help window, even when no 
patche are installed but software


* it starts with the patches windows. I'm still unable to 
know if there are new updates only looking at the window. so 
I must clic on accept to know. but after installing all 
the patches, it closes when the software update module asks 
to know is one wans to install more, wich is often the case, 
so one must restart the module and wait again.


* if one install a software by YOU, before having installed 
patches, the patches are not installed in the same session. 
Usually one can select software by any mean, at the end all 
the selection is installed. Here it seems that the patches 
selection and the software selection are separated.


all this is minor and probably already known, the reason why 
I ask here. is this worths filling a bug report?


thanks
jdd


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Re: [opensuse-factory] You working style

2006-06-16 Thread Klaus Kaempf
* jdd [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jun 16. 2006 09:21]:
 10.1
 
 I tried to use YOU to install ordinary software. this works 
 without problem. we have now the same menus in YOU than in 
 software install (yast).
 
 _but_
 
 * when installing, Yast/you always speaks about patches 
 beeing installed in any message/help window, even when no 
 patche are installed but software

In fact, its patches that are installed. The packages (software)
are dragged in by patch dependencies.
The basic concept here is to make the bugfix visible
(since thats the real interesting part) and have packages
as an additional detail.
 
 * it starts with the patches windows. I'm still unable to 
 know if there are new updates only looking at the window. so 
 I must clic on accept to know. but after installing all 
 the patches, it closes when the software update module asks 
 to know is one wans to install more, wich is often the case, 
 so one must restart the module and wait again.

The default view is currently 'all patches', it should be
changed to 'new patches'.

 
 * if one install a software by YOU, before having installed 
 patches, the patches are not installed in the same session. 
 Usually one can select software by any mean, at the end all 
 the selection is installed. Here it seems that the patches 
 selection and the software selection are separated.

This is intended behaviour. With Code10, patches just express
dependencies. Thats different from previous releases where
patches were package containers.

The new behaviour calculates the 'patch level' from the rpm
database. If all packages have the right version, the 'patch
level' is reached. Independant of the installation of actual
patches. Whats currently missing in YaST is the ability to
view the patch level.

This fulfills one of the core requests we heard from customers,
being able to use others packaging tools besides you/yast.

Klaus

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Re: [opensuse-factory] You working style

2006-06-16 Thread Klaus Kaempf
* jdd [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jun 16. 2006 10:05]:
 
 so even if the window is identical to the yast software 
 install window, the underlaying is different? in my example 
 I serached for sitecopy, found it and install it wothout 
 problem.

Its exactly the same behaviour wheter you install packages
or patches. Patches are just a different kind of 'resolvables'
(objects with dependencies).

I am working on moving our documentation to the opensuse
wiki. If only the daily work would let me ...

 
 this (and the rest of your answer) is very interesting. the 
 new layout seems very clever :-)

We believe to have adressed almost all issues of the old
patch implementation. But getting it right and integration
into the overall system did take 'a bit' longer than expected :-(


Klaus

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Re: [opensuse-factory] You working style

2006-06-16 Thread Christian Boltz
Hello,

Am Freitag, 16. Juni 2006 10:24 schrieb Klaus Kaempf:
[...]
 I am working on moving our documentation to the opensuse
 wiki. If only the daily work would let me ...

Maybe you should have written it in the wiki from the beginning ;-)
Having a work in progress documentation (maybe with a warning about 
its status) is better than having (nearly) no documentation IMHO.
And, extra benefit, you don't have to move it to the wiki afterwards *g*

Don't get me wrong - I don't want to flame you, I just try to point out 
how things could be made better ;-)


Regards,

Christian Boltz

PS: Maybe the SDB migration script could be helpful for you - but I
guess that idea is not new for you...

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