Re: [opensuse-factory] discussing problems with Yast Package Setup "patterns" or problem

2006-09-12 Thread Ricardo Cruz
Em Terça, 12 de Setembro de 2006 10:17, o Stephan Kulow escreveu:
> Am Montag, 11. September 2006 19:15 schrieb Ricardo Cruz:
> >  Not very common, but common enough I'd say. People like to put some
> > pictures on a document they are making, but may want to crop the image
> > they got from the internet a bit or do some other retouch, so a pixmap
> > editor is really good to have.
>
> a pixmap editor != paint program. We have gimp and krita, which are filling
> the common tasks much better.
>
> Greetings, Stephan

 Gimp is unnacceptable for a common user because some stuff, like primitives, 
aren't trivial to do. But I guess Krita is okay.

Cheers,
 Ricardo

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Re: [opensuse-factory] discussing problems with Yast Package Setup "patterns" or problem

2006-09-12 Thread Stephan Kulow
Am Montag, 11. September 2006 19:15 schrieb Ricardo Cruz:
>  Not very common, but common enough I'd say. People like to put some
> pictures on a document they are making, but may want to crop the image they
> got from the internet a bit or do some other retouch, so a pixmap editor is
> really good to have.

a pixmap editor != paint program. We have gimp and krita, which are filling 
the common tasks much better.

Greetings, Stephan
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Re: [opensuse-factory] discussing problems with Yast Package Setup "patterns" or problem

2006-09-11 Thread Ricardo Cruz
Em Domingo, 10 de Setembro de 2006 08:57, o Stephan Kulow escreveu:
> Am Freitag, 8. September 2006 18:04 schrieb Stephan Binner:
> > On Friday 08 September 2006 17:47, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
> > > > Second: Kolourpaint is part of "kdegraphics3-imaging" package.
> > >
> > > Should get installed now,
> >
> > Veto. kdegraphics3-imaging contains also other stuff like the second and
> > third then installed graphic viewer. May I suggest to rather move
> > kolourpaint into the base kdegraphics3 package if it's wanted to get
> > installed by default?
>
> I veto kolourpaint because I don't see basic painting as a very common job
> for today's users.
>
> Greetings, Stephan

 Not very common, but common enough I'd say. People like to put some pictures 
on a document they are making, but may want to crop the image they got from 
the internet a bit or do some other retouch, so a pixmap editor is really 
good to have.

Cheers,
 Ricardo
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Re: [opensuse-factory] discussing problems with Yast Package Setup "patterns" or problem

2006-09-10 Thread Alexey Eremenko

I veto kolourpaint because I don't see basic painting as a very common job for
today's users.


You don't see, but the users see.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] discussing problems with Yast Package Setup "patterns" or problem

2006-09-10 Thread Stephan Kulow
Am Freitag, 8. September 2006 18:04 schrieb Stephan Binner:
> On Friday 08 September 2006 17:47, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
> > > Second: Kolourpaint is part of "kdegraphics3-imaging" package.
> >
> > Should get installed now,
>
> Veto. kdegraphics3-imaging contains also other stuff like the second and
> third then installed graphic viewer. May I suggest to rather move
> kolourpaint into the base kdegraphics3 package if it's wanted to get
> installed by default?
>
I veto kolourpaint because I don't see basic painting as a very common job for 
today's users.

Greetings, Stephan
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Re: [opensuse-factory] discussing problems with Yast Package Setup "patterns" or problem

2006-09-08 Thread Alexey Eremenko

Veto. kdegraphics3-imaging contains also other stuff like the second and third
then installed graphic viewer. May I suggest to rather move kolourpaint into
the base kdegraphics3 package if it's wanted to get installed by default?


I agree to either install kdegraphics3-imaging by default or to move
Kolourpaint to kdegraphics3. Because both solutions resolves the
problem...
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Re: [opensuse-factory] discussing problems with Yast Package Setup "patterns" or problem

2006-09-08 Thread Stephan Binner
On Friday 08 September 2006 17:47, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

> > Second: Kolourpaint is part of "kdegraphics3-imaging" package.
> Should get installed now,

Veto. kdegraphics3-imaging contains also other stuff like the second and third 
then installed graphic viewer. May I suggest to rather move kolourpaint into
the base kdegraphics3 package if it's wanted to get installed by default?

Bye,
   Steve
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Re: [opensuse-factory] discussing problems with Yast Package Setup "patterns" or problem

2006-09-08 Thread Andreas Jaeger
"Alexey Eremenko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> The KDE/GNOME default missed all the multimedia stuff and I just fixed
>> this, so this requirement is fullfilled.  I don't know in which
>> package kolourpaint is, so cannot tell whether it will be installed by
>> default.
>
> First of all you can search it in Yast, by selecting : check in "description".
>
> Second: Kolourpaint is part of "kdegraphics3-imaging" package.

Should get installed now,

Andreas
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Re: [opensuse-factory] discussing problems with Yast Package Setup "patterns" or problem

2006-09-08 Thread Alexey Eremenko

The KDE/GNOME default missed all the multimedia stuff and I just fixed
this, so this requirement is fullfilled.  I don't know in which
package kolourpaint is, so cannot tell whether it will be installed by
default.


First of all you can search it in Yast, by selecting : check in "description".

Second: Kolourpaint is part of "kdegraphics3-imaging" package.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] discussing problems with Yast Package Setup "patterns" or problem

2006-09-08 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Azerion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> Hi all !
>>
>> 
>> Also, while the GIMP is installed it's help is missing. I think the
>> two packages must be tied to one another.
>
> +1. But then the helpfiles have to be updated also if Gimp is cause they are 
> both in the same package. Is there in the new system an option to check a 
> package as the motherpakacge is selected without making it a requirement?

No :-(  I just added gimp-help to the same pattern that gimp is in,

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Re: [opensuse-factory] discussing problems with Yast Package Setup "patterns" or problem

2006-09-08 Thread Andreas Jaeger
"Alexey Eremenko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi all !
>
> There are several bugs opened about it:
> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=204407
> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=204403
>
> 
> openSUSE 10.2 has no simple graphics editors installed by default.
>
> simple graphics editor is a must for modern operating system, like Windows or
> openSUSE, so that normal Home Users can start working just away, and no look
> any further.
>
> bottom line:
> The best simple editor in the world is KDE "Kolourpaint" which blows both MS
> Paint and KPaint out of the water, so I recommend you to add it as a default
> choice for those people, who select KDE as a default Desktop Environment.
>
> what do you think?

The KDE/GNOME default missed all the multimedia stuff and I just fixed
this, so this requirement is fullfilled.  I don't know in which
package kolourpaint is, so cannot tell whether it will be installed by
default.

> 
> Also, while the GIMP is installed it's help is missing. I think the
> two packages must be tied to one another.
> -

gimp-help has been added besides gimp now.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] discussing problems with Yast Package Setup "patterns" or problem

2006-09-08 Thread Azerion
> Hi all !
>
> 
> Also, while the GIMP is installed it's help is missing. I think the
> two packages must be tied to one another.

+1. But then the helpfiles have to be updated also if Gimp is cause they are 
both in the same package. Is there in the new system an option to check a 
package as the motherpakacge is selected without making it a requirement?

Azerion
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[opensuse-factory] discussing problems with Yast Package Setup "patterns" or problem

2006-09-08 Thread Alexey Eremenko

Hi all !

There are several bugs opened about it:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=204407
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=204403


openSUSE 10.2 has no simple graphics editors installed by default.

simple graphics editor is a must for modern operating system, like Windows or
openSUSE, so that normal Home Users can start working just away, and no look
any further.

bottom line:
The best simple editor in the world is KDE "Kolourpaint" which blows both MS
Paint and KPaint out of the water, so I recommend you to add it as a default
choice for those people, who select KDE as a default Desktop Environment.

what do you think?

Also, while the GIMP is installed it's help is missing. I think the
two packages must be tied to one another.
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