Re: [opensuse-factory] ext2
Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 2006/11/23 21:33 (GMT+0100) Andreas Jaeger apparently typed: > >> We modularized ext2 > > Why? The kernel configure option for ext2 in 10.1 is: zgrep EXT2 /proc/config.gz CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y And in 10.2: CONFIG_EXT2_FS=m And that's all I meant with modularize. So, this means that those users that do not use ext2 as file system do not have to load the file system at all, it's an external module. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpyivo14WU4B.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] ext2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2006-11-23 at 23:54 -, Hugo Costelha wrote: > What they mean by not supported by Novell, is that you shouldn;t go > complaining in the openSUSE foruns or at Novell's support about issues with I believe users can moan and complain all their heart desire at forums and lists :-P - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFZkvntTMYHG2NR9URAi3/AKCSlURlis9DA6judB45doHC/PIBrgCfXjl8 U9nW2Jzccv6va5qbJVhm2m4= =0w0M -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] ext2
On 2006/11/23 21:33 (GMT+0100) Andreas Jaeger apparently typed: > We modularized ext2 Why? -- "Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven." Matthew 5:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] ext2
Kenneth Schneider schrieb: > Please clarify: does the "module ext2" belong to Novell or does it > belong to "linux"? Do other distros show the same message "module not > supported by Novell" or do they put their own distro name in the > message. If I were the maintainer of the module I would be offended by > this statement. This stuff isn't configured in the module itself, but in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.unsupported and the module-init-tools. And yes, other distros/vendors don't support all modules either. reiserfs.ko for example isn't supported by a well-known other vendor. There is nothing offensive in this per se because it's not the maintainer, but the vendor which provides the support (and the costs implied by this). The "supported" flag doesn't have a real meaning for openSUSE, but has a meaning for enterprise products because customers can use it to prevent trashing their support contract by loading a module that the vendor does not offer support for. (Not offering support for a module simply means "sorry, offering support for this would be more than what you paid for" and not "the module is bad" or "you shouldn't use it"). ext2 being unsupported is simply a bug, of course it should be supported. Other modules will remain unsupported and users are free to use them anyway. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] ext2
* Kenneth Schneider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-11-24 00:46]: > On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 23:05 +0100, Frank-Michael Fischer wrote: > > Andreas Jaeger schrieb: > > > Frank-Michael Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Bug 223513 filed. > > > > What does: "module not supported by Novell" versus "module supported by > > Novell" mean anyway? If Novell supports a module is Novell allowed to > > patch this module without maintainer's approval? Or is a maintainer > > still allowed to patch a module if its supported by Novell? Etc. The > > impact of such a message seems not clear to me. > > Please clarify: does the "module ext2" belong to Novell or does it > belong to "linux"? Do other distros show the same message "module not > supported by Novell" or do they put their own distro name in the > message. If I were the maintainer of the module I would be offended by > this statement. It's a kernel patch of Novell/SUSE. I don't know if other distributions like RedHat have simlar patches. It's not in the mainline kernel.org kernel. And I really don't know why the maintainer of the module should have a problem with this message. It doesn't say the module is "bad", it only says that we don't support this module, and, as Andreas Jaeger already said, it's mainly for enterprise distributions and not for openSUSE. As I learned now by reading the patch, you can set sources=2 at the kernel command line to turn the warning off. 0 means "only allow supported modules" and 1 (the default) means "warn when loading unsupported modules". Regards, Bernhard pgp9SZLgGPCp9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] ext2
On Thursday 23 November 2006 23:46, Kenneth Schneider wrote: > On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 23:05 +0100, Frank-Michael Fischer wrote: > > Andreas Jaeger schrieb: > > > Frank-Michael Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Bug 223513 filed. > > > > What does: "module not supported by Novell" versus "module supported by > > Novell" mean anyway? If Novell supports a module is Novell allowed to > > patch this module without maintainer's approval? Or is a maintainer > > still allowed to patch a module if its supported by Novell? Etc. The > > impact of such a message seems not clear to me. > > Please clarify: does the "module ext2" belong to Novell or does it > belong to "linux"? Do other distros show the same message "module not > supported by Novell" or do they put their own distro name in the > message. If I were the maintainer of the module I would be offended by > this statement. > The version of the packages that are sent within the distribution can be patched by Novell (openSUSE developers) in every way they which to. What they mean by not supported by Novell, is that you shouldn;t go complaining in the openSUSE foruns or at Novell's support about issues with ext2 in the openSUSE distribution, since it is not supported. You might however try other kinds of support elsewhere, but you are at your onw risk (yes, with the free, openSUSE distribution you are anyway, but you understand what I mean). Hugo Costelha - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] ext2
On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 23:05 +0100, Frank-Michael Fischer wrote: > Andreas Jaeger schrieb: > > Frank-Michael Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Bug 223513 filed. > > What does: "module not supported by Novell" versus "module supported by > Novell" mean anyway? If Novell supports a module is Novell allowed to > patch this module without maintainer's approval? Or is a maintainer > still allowed to patch a module if its supported by Novell? Etc. The > impact of such a message seems not clear to me. > Please clarify: does the "module ext2" belong to Novell or does it belong to "linux"? Do other distros show the same message "module not supported by Novell" or do they put their own distro name in the message. If I were the maintainer of the module I would be offended by this statement. Ken - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] ext2
* Bernhard Walle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-11-23 22:29]:
> * Andreas Jaeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-11-23 21:33]:
> >
> > We modularized ext2 and forgot to mark this as supported. This is
> > really more for the enterprise distributions but it should be set here
> > as well,
>
> Can't we disable this supported/unsupported stuff for openSUSE at all,
> because openSUSE is completely unsupported ("supported" != "tained")?
> At least the warning is annoying, IMO.
To clarify this after reading my mail again, of course, openSUSE is
"supported" as we fix bugs and provide security updates, but I meant
the customer has no claim for support as he has when he purchases SLES
or SLED.
And that's why I think this warning is more annoying than useful (and
could be confused with the "tainted" flag).
Regards,
Bernhard
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Re: [opensuse-factory] ext2
Andreas Jaeger schrieb: > Frank-Michael Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> from /var/log/boot.omsg after a 10.2 RC1 boot: >> >> "<4>ext2: module not supported by Novell, setting U taint flag." >> >> 1. Is there a module from "Novell" handling ext2 file systems at all? If >> so: is it patented? ;-) >> > > > >> 2. If not what is Novell's problem with ext2 file systems? In older >> machines e.g it can make perfect sense to set up an ext2 /boot >> partition. It makes also sense for "ro" partitions. Did I miss something >> here? I always thought ext2 is supported under GPL. >> >> Appreciating any enlightenment on this issue. >> > > Please file a bugreport. > > We modularized ext2 and forgot to mark this as supported. This is > really more for the enterprise distributions but it should be set here > as well, > > Andreas > Bug 223513 filed. What does: "module not supported by Novell" versus "module supported by Novell" mean anyway? If Novell supports a module is Novell allowed to patch this module without maintainer's approval? Or is a maintainer still allowed to patch a module if its supported by Novell? Etc. The impact of such a message seems not clear to me. FMF - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] ext2
* Andreas Jaeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-11-23 21:33]:
>
> We modularized ext2 and forgot to mark this as supported. This is
> really more for the enterprise distributions but it should be set here
> as well,
Can't we disable this supported/unsupported stuff for openSUSE at all,
because openSUSE is completely unsupported ("supported" != "tained")?
At least the warning is annoying, IMO.
Of course, not for 10.2, but 10.3?
Regards,
Bernhard
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Re: [opensuse-factory] ext2
Frank-Michael Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > from /var/log/boot.omsg after a 10.2 RC1 boot: > > "<4>ext2: module not supported by Novell, setting U taint flag." > > 1. Is there a module from "Novell" handling ext2 file systems at all? If > so: is it patented? ;-) > 2. If not what is Novell's problem with ext2 file systems? In older > machines e.g it can make perfect sense to set up an ext2 /boot > partition. It makes also sense for "ro" partitions. Did I miss something > here? I always thought ext2 is supported under GPL. > > Appreciating any enlightenment on this issue. Please file a bugreport. We modularized ext2 and forgot to mark this as supported. This is really more for the enterprise distributions but it should be set here as well, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpCznWyCTpo8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] ext2
On Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 09:13:48PM +0100, Frank-Michael Fischer wrote: > from /var/log/boot.omsg after a 10.2 RC1 boot: > > "<4>ext2: module not supported by Novell, setting U taint flag." > > 1. Is there a module from "Novell" handling ext2 file systems at all? If > so: is it patented? ;-) > > 2. If not what is Novell's problem with ext2 file systems? In older > machines e.g it can make perfect sense to set up an ext2 /boot > partition. It makes also sense for "ro" partitions. Did I miss something > here? I always thought ext2 is supported under GPL. > > Appreciating any enlightenment on this issue. I doubt it is intentional, it was likely a problem as we made ext2 a module. Ciao, Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] ext2
from /var/log/boot.omsg after a 10.2 RC1 boot: "<4>ext2: module not supported by Novell, setting U taint flag." 1. Is there a module from "Novell" handling ext2 file systems at all? If so: is it patented? ;-) 2. If not what is Novell's problem with ext2 file systems? In older machines e.g it can make perfect sense to set up an ext2 /boot partition. It makes also sense for "ro" partitions. Did I miss something here? I always thought ext2 is supported under GPL. Appreciating any enlightenment on this issue. FMF - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
