On 22.09.2011, at 13:21, Helen South wrote:
I just wanted to add, that months ago I tried to bring up some
discussion about vision and theme and was told 'don't talk about it,
just do it'. So the conversation more or less ended, and I didn't
really follow any further discussion due to other commitments in the
meantime.
That is sad and I'm sorry for that. The don't talk, just do! comment is
really common and it's IMHO one of the top 5 creativity and creatives-community
killers!
No discussion means no solid design!
Now someone has just done it and put time and effort into create
nice artwork, and NOW you all want to add criticisms and say you don't
like this or that.
This is quite absurd.
We should take the criticisms like contributions for the 12.2 artwork.
The artwork Richard and Piotr made are really good for the scenario we have now!
On the other hand Will is absolutely right. We will not win a design-award for
this. But that's ok, lets learn for the next cycle :-)
There needs to be a clear artwork vision
discussed well before release, outlines put forward of the look and
theme that is wanted for the distribution/release, a list of what
specific artworks are required. THAT is when everyone can air their
views. At this point of the process it should be minor tweaks and
ajustments. But THAT would have required a DISCUSSION not 'just do
it'.
There is a difference between bikeshedding and planning. The project
needs to consult with the creative members of the team and appoint an
art team leader who has a clue about what is required for the
components of the release, and then TRUST THEIR JUDGEMENT to guide the
artwork production. This needs to happen months before the release,
not weeks.
+1000 :-)
We should start with the artwork-discussion for 12.2 directly after the release
of 12.1. @Helen, would you volunteer to help me to set this up and make it a
good productive thing? That would help me a lot :-)
Thank you for sharing you thoughts, you hit the point!
Robert
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On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Stephan Kulow co...@suse.de wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 22. September 2011 schrieb Will Stephenson:
On Thursday 22 Sep 2011 09:21:49 Robert Lihm wrote:
On 22.09.2011, at 08:13, Helen South wrote:
I couldn't disagree more strongly.
I think they are absolutely beautiful, stunning work. I loved Nuno's
shirt design and I think these are a delightful adaptation of that
design. I have made the black one my background right now! The olive
green one is lovely too - the variations in color look great on my
monitor. The bright one *ouch* :P
I like the idea of picking up our shirt design! And I finally like how
Richard made it. I would go with the less bright green ... but that's a
question of taste :-)
I liked the shirt design, but it's what, 18 months old now? And it is
derived from what I call 'vegetative swirls' which are soo passé (check
out the 2002 Garland lightshade in the 'Art and Design from the 2000s'
collection at MOMA: http://bit.ly/o6nYRs) everywhere except free software
graphic design. Jimmac introduced them (in a high quality execution) for
11.2 in 2009, and I pointed this out then.
We don't need objections now. We need alternatives or votes.
Greetings, Stephan
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