Re: [opensuse-wiki] new change on main page

2007-06-21 Thread jdd

Francis Giannaros wrote:


openSUSE also provides the base for Novell's award-winning
[http://novell.com/linux SUSE Linux Enterprise] products.



this is much better

jdd

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Re: [opensuse-wiki] new change on main page

2007-06-21 Thread Francis Giannaros

On 6/21/07, Michael Loeffler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Wednesday 20 June 2007 20:48, Francis Giannaros wrote:
> On 6/20/07, Francis Giannaros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 6/20/07, Michael Loeffler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi,
--snip--
> >
> > I agree that the formulation proposed here is better, as it's not as
> > easily open to misinterpretation, but I still think that an advert for
> > SLE in openSUSE's main description is odd. Perhaps SLE could get a
> > mention below in a new section (similar to the Report Bugs, Featured
> > Articles ones)? I'm not really sure though, and I don't feel strongly
> > about this. Thoughts?
>
> Another idea might be to make "SUSE Linux Enterprise" link to
> novell.com/linux, in which case the last advert sentence isn't needed,
> while we still get in the good touch of noting that it's the base for
> SUSE Linux Enterprise.
Sounds good. So just removing last sentence and link out of SUSE Linux
Enterprise:
Come be a part of the project that feeds into Novell's award-winning SUSE
Linux Enterprise [novell.com/linux) products.

Okay?


I was thinking about using the formulation you originally proposed in
the thread instead, with the link. So:

openSUSE also provides the base for Novell's award-winning
[http://novell.com/linux SUSE Linux Enterprise] products.

As jdd said, a link to award winning might be a good idea if there
already is such a page.

Kind thoughts,
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Re: [opensuse-wiki] new change on main page

2007-06-21 Thread Martin Schlander
Den Thursday 21 June 2007 11:54:22 skrev Michael Loeffler:
> Come be a part of the project that feeds into Novell's SUSE Linux
> Enterprise [novell.com/linux] products.

No. That sounds like "come and work for Novell enterprise products for free". 
That's not attractive to people. If there should be any mention of SLE it 
should be in a way that's advantagous to openSUSE like: "Novells award 
winning enterprise products use openSUSE as their codebase."

However like jdd I have doubts about the whole deal. Like potential enterprise 
customers are going to be shopping around on opensuse.org?

I'm not sure that too much mention of SLE really does any good - my 
associations with it are mostly ZMD/10.1-disaster, GNOME, patents and 
Microsoft.. needless to say those are not particularly pleasant associations. 

I doubt that promoting SLE on opensuse.org will help anybody - neither sell 
more SLE nor attract people to openSUSE. But if someone slick with words can 
phrase it in a way that makes it sound like a seal of quality for openSUSE 
I'm ok with it.

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Re: [opensuse-wiki] new change on main page

2007-06-21 Thread jdd

Michael Loeffler wrote:

Come be a part of the project that feeds into Novell's SUSE Linux Enterprise 


I still think than the word "feed" is ambiguous. Who eats the other? 
remember the movie "we feed the world" (this title means more "we eat 
the world" than "we give food to the world")


may be only

the project used by Novell's SUSE Linux Enterprise

but I think all this may be counter productive.

I work on an opensource project, I don't want to work for free for 
Novell. Any word saying that the free work will be used by a comercial 
product may be misunderstood.


Use by comercials of opensource projects is autorized, but not so 
popular against the opensource community. I remember problems with 
sites making copies of OpenOffice.org...


secondly, the very significance of the sentence seems odd.

it seems to say "you already know that Novells suse linux... is the 
best product ever, so you can trust openSUSE.


sorry, but this is stupid. Any Novells customer glad with it (and I 
expect many are) will... keep Novell products, why switch to openSUSE?


and nearly No non Novell customer know anything of SLES/SLED.

I would be much more usefull to say "The users of the world best Linux 
distro, openSUSE can have even more, a professional support and 7 
years updates using the Novell openSUSE version, SLES/SLED".


Much more people know openSUSE than Novell SLES/SLED...

jdd


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Re: [opensuse-wiki] new change on main page

2007-06-21 Thread Michael Loeffler
On Thursday 21 June 2007 10:43, Michael Loeffler wrote:
> On Wednesday 20 June 2007 20:48, Francis Giannaros wrote:
> > On 6/20/07, Francis Giannaros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On 6/20/07, Michael Loeffler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Hi,
>
> --snip--
>
> > > I agree that the formulation proposed here is better, as it's not as
> > > easily open to misinterpretation, but I still think that an advert for
> > > SLE in openSUSE's main description is odd. Perhaps SLE could get a
> > > mention below in a new section (similar to the Report Bugs, Featured
> > > Articles ones)? I'm not really sure though, and I don't feel strongly
> > > about this. Thoughts?
> >
> > Another idea might be to make "SUSE Linux Enterprise" link to
> > novell.com/linux, in which case the last advert sentence isn't needed,
> > while we still get in the good touch of noting that it's the base for
> > SUSE Linux Enterprise.
>
> Sounds good. So just removing last sentence and link out of SUSE Linux
> Enterprise:
> Come be a part of the project that feeds into Novell's award-winning SUSE
> Linux Enterprise [novell.com/linux) products.
>
> Okay?
And remove "award-winning"
Come be a part of the project that feeds into Novell's SUSE Linux Enterprise 
[novell.com/linux] products.
Okay?
M
> M
>
> > Kind thoughts,

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Re: [opensuse-wiki] new change on main page

2007-06-21 Thread Michael Loeffler
On Wednesday 20 June 2007 20:48, Francis Giannaros wrote:
> On 6/20/07, Francis Giannaros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 6/20/07, Michael Loeffler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi,
--snip--
> >
> > I agree that the formulation proposed here is better, as it's not as
> > easily open to misinterpretation, but I still think that an advert for
> > SLE in openSUSE's main description is odd. Perhaps SLE could get a
> > mention below in a new section (similar to the Report Bugs, Featured
> > Articles ones)? I'm not really sure though, and I don't feel strongly
> > about this. Thoughts?
>
> Another idea might be to make "SUSE Linux Enterprise" link to
> novell.com/linux, in which case the last advert sentence isn't needed,
> while we still get in the good touch of noting that it's the base for
> SUSE Linux Enterprise.
Sounds good. So just removing last sentence and link out of SUSE Linux 
Enterprise: 
Come be a part of the project that feeds into Novell's award-winning SUSE 
Linux Enterprise [novell.com/linux) products. 

Okay?
M
>
> Kind thoughts,

-- 
Michael Löffler, Product Management
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone:  +49 911 74053-376
SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg
SUSE® Linux Enterprise 10
Your Linux is ready
http://www.novell.com/linux 

SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex

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