Re: Licensing an OpenWrt router - No response to Trademark use
Hi Scott, On 19.08.2020 23:57, Heppler, J. Scott wrote: Too much effort to say "No interest at this time?" I agree, we do have problem answering e-mails from contact@ inbox. But I hope we will soon sort it out and get better at it. -- Cheers, Piotr On Aug 19, 2020: 23:25, Piotr Dymacz wrote: Hi Scott, On 18.08.2020 23:27, Heppler, J. Scott wrote: request. Reply-To: Organization: I sent an email to cont...@openwrt.org, subject line Trademark Use Request, inquiring about crowd funding an OpenWrt router. I never received a reply. The email gave the background, links to forum discussion and a poll and outlined the basic structure. The contents: Probably nobody with access to this mailbox was interested in your idea. [...] Would the project be interested in exploring this further?" Personally, I don't think so. 3y ago we (some of devs with commit access) were discussing similar idea. But there just wasn't enough interest in it. -- Cheers, Piotr ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: Licensing an OpenWrt router - No response to Trademark use
On 19.08.20 23:25, Piotr Dymacz wrote: Hi Scott, On 18.08.2020 23:27, Heppler, J. Scott wrote: request. Reply-To: Organization: I sent an email to cont...@openwrt.org, subject line Trademark Use Request, inquiring about crowd funding an OpenWrt router. I never received a reply. The email gave the background, links to forum discussion and a poll and outlined the basic structure. The contents: Probably nobody with access to this mailbox was interested in your idea. [...] Would the project be interested in exploring this further?" Personally, I don't think so. 3y ago we (some of devs with commit access) were discussing similar idea. But there just wasn't enough interest in it. OpenWrt is a software project, setting up a HW supply chain would imho eat way too much time and resources. there are already thousands of routers running OpenWrt and several open HW projects making use of OpenWrt. my 2 cents John ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: Licensing an OpenWrt router - No response to Trademark use
Too much effort to say "No interest at this time?" On Aug 19, 2020: 23:25, Piotr Dymacz wrote: Hi Scott, On 18.08.2020 23:27, Heppler, J. Scott wrote: request. Reply-To: Organization: I sent an email to cont...@openwrt.org, subject line Trademark Use Request, inquiring about crowd funding an OpenWrt router. I never received a reply. The email gave the background, links to forum discussion and a poll and outlined the basic structure. The contents: Probably nobody with access to this mailbox was interested in your idea. [...] Would the project be interested in exploring this further?" Personally, I don't think so. 3y ago we (some of devs with commit access) were discussing similar idea. But there just wasn't enough interest in it. -- Cheers, Piotr -- J. Scott Heppler Penguin Innovations - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachments may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the intended recipients. If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other unauthorized use of this email and any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the message and any attachments from your system. ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: Licensing an OpenWrt router - No response to Trademark use
Hi Scott, On 18.08.2020 23:27, Heppler, J. Scott wrote: request. Reply-To: Organization: I sent an email to cont...@openwrt.org, subject line Trademark Use Request, inquiring about crowd funding an OpenWrt router. I never received a reply. The email gave the background, links to forum discussion and a poll and outlined the basic structure. The contents: Probably nobody with access to this mailbox was interested in your idea. [...] Would the project be interested in exploring this further?" Personally, I don't think so. 3y ago we (some of devs with commit access) were discussing similar idea. But there just wasn't enough interest in it. -- Cheers, Piotr ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: Licensing an OpenWrt router - No response to Trademark use
The approach I was taking was based on choosing the actual chips based on developer input and then find a HW who can provide based on those recommendations. I also lean toward a lower price point for an initial production run - this is new ground and it lowers financial risk. The initial run, if successful, can serve as a template for higher end devices. I believe the developers would have opinions based on open source support and HW design. I've seen OpenWrt wiki's discussing things like Flash/Ram size that are HW specific; eg Qualcomm Dual 5G ram. So, the initial question stands, is there interest from the project putting its name on a device and are developers willing to input? Thanks On Aug 18, 2020: 14:46, Ben Greear wrote: Hello, Consider perhaps the TIP project? It has HW manufacturers on board to build platforms known to work and tested with OpenWrt https://telecominfraproject.com/wifi/ If you have a particular price point you're trying to meet, I'm curious to know... Thanks, Ben On 8/18/20 2:27 PM, Heppler, J. Scott wrote: request. Reply-To: Organization: I sent an email to cont...@openwrt.org, subject line Trademark Use Request, inquiring about crowd funding an OpenWrt router.?? I never received a reply.?? The email gave the background, links to forum discussion and a poll and outlined the basic structure.?? The contents: "I've noticed that OpenWrt is used widely in SOHO routers without the vendors providing much in the way of donations.?? Additionally, vendors are making it increasingly difficult; bootdelay = 0, disabled keyboard input etc., to install OpenWrt. Browsing Alibaba/Aliexpress, there are large numbers of Chinese vendors offering routers with custom branding for purchases > 500.?? Many offer products with the same outward appearance/specs and I think the line between resellers/OEM's is blurry. This link is an example: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/EP-RT2656-Wireless-Routers-1300mbps-compa tible_62040312059.html?spm=a2700.wholesale.deiletai6.2.1ab67d83z4DNLg This is recognizable as a device sold by Lenovo/D-team and is offered with both u-boot/breed bootloader. Comfast has used OpenWrt in the CF-WR618AC and CF-WR-610N routers. http://en.comfast.com.cn/index.php?m=content=index=show=16=24 Comfast uses OpenWrt and does not provide GPL'd source. https://forum.archive.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=58973 It occurred to me that one way to have an OpenWrt accessible router, and support the project would be to crowd fund an OpenWrt Development router and build in an OpenWrt donation into the cost.?? It would be somewhat like the PineBook Pro, orders taken and if a threshold met, a production run is certified.?? OpenWrt would license the logo and provide stable firmware for initial flash and development firmware via download.?? The donations would be earmarked to support infrastructure or development meetings (Like OpenBSD). A poll was setup and run for 2 weeks: https://forum.openwrt.org/t/poll-interest-in-an-openwrt-purpose-built-router/692 95d A prior thread where the idea was kicked around: https://forum.openwrt.org/t/advertising-and-selling-routers-with-openwrt-lede-in stalled/12372/3 Some respondents wanted high end routers but I'm pushing for limiting risk. Would the project be interested in exploring this further?" -- Ben Greear Candela Technologies Inc http://www.candelatech.com -- J. Scott Heppler Penguin Innovations - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachments may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the intended recipients. If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other unauthorized use of this email and any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the message and any attachments from your system. ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: Licensing an OpenWrt router - No response to Trademark use
You seem to ask for two things: - firmware support - permission to label the router an "official OpenWrt Router" Wouldn't it be possible to develop the firmware on your own or to hire some developer for that task? Or maybe ask for volunteers. And for the branding you can probably highlight the OpenWrt support and donations without the OpenWrt project having to advertise for it. just my2cents, mwarning On 8/18/20 11:27 PM, Heppler, J. Scott wrote: > request. > Reply-To: Organization: > > I sent an email to cont...@openwrt.org, subject line Trademark Use > Request, inquiring about crowd funding an OpenWrt router. I never > received a reply. The email gave the background, links to forum > discussion and a poll and outlined the basic structure. The contents: > > "I've noticed that OpenWrt is used widely in SOHO routers without the > vendors providing much in the way of donations. Additionally, vendors > are making it increasingly difficult; bootdelay = 0, disabled keyboard > input etc., to install OpenWrt. > > Browsing Alibaba/Aliexpress, there are large numbers of Chinese vendors > offering routers with custom branding for purchases > 500. Many offer > products with the same outward appearance/specs and I think the line > between resellers/OEM's is blurry. > > This link is an example: > https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/EP-RT2656-Wireless-Routers-1300mbps-compa > tible_62040312059.html?spm=a2700.wholesale.deiletai6.2.1ab67d83z4DNLg > This is recognizable as a device sold by Lenovo/D-team and is offered > with both u-boot/breed bootloader. > > Comfast has used OpenWrt in the CF-WR618AC and CF-WR-610N routers. > http://en.comfast.com.cn/index.php?m=content=index=show=16=24 > Comfast uses OpenWrt and does not provide GPL'd source. > https://forum.archive.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=58973 > > It occurred to me that one way to have an OpenWrt accessible router, and > support the project would be to crowd fund an OpenWrt Development router > and build in an OpenWrt donation into the cost. It would be somewhat > like the PineBook Pro, orders taken and if a threshold met, a production > run is certified. OpenWrt would license the logo and provide stable > firmware for initial flash and development firmware via download. The > donations would be earmarked to support infrastructure or development > meetings (Like OpenBSD). > > A poll was setup and run for 2 weeks: > https://forum.openwrt.org/t/poll-interest-in-an-openwrt-purpose-built-router/692 > 95d > A prior thread where the idea was kicked around: > https://forum.openwrt.org/t/advertising-and-selling-routers-with-openwrt-lede-in > stalled/12372/3 > Some respondents wanted high end routers but I'm pushing for limiting > risk. > > Would the project be interested in exploring this further?" > > > ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Licensing an OpenWrt router - No response to Trademark use
request. Reply-To: Organization: I sent an email to cont...@openwrt.org, subject line Trademark Use Request, inquiring about crowd funding an OpenWrt router. I never received a reply. The email gave the background, links to forum discussion and a poll and outlined the basic structure. The contents: "I've noticed that OpenWrt is used widely in SOHO routers without the vendors providing much in the way of donations. Additionally, vendors are making it increasingly difficult; bootdelay = 0, disabled keyboard input etc., to install OpenWrt. Browsing Alibaba/Aliexpress, there are large numbers of Chinese vendors offering routers with custom branding for purchases > 500. Many offer products with the same outward appearance/specs and I think the line between resellers/OEM's is blurry. This link is an example: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/EP-RT2656-Wireless-Routers-1300mbps-compa tible_62040312059.html?spm=a2700.wholesale.deiletai6.2.1ab67d83z4DNLg This is recognizable as a device sold by Lenovo/D-team and is offered with both u-boot/breed bootloader. Comfast has used OpenWrt in the CF-WR618AC and CF-WR-610N routers. http://en.comfast.com.cn/index.php?m=content=index=show=16=24 Comfast uses OpenWrt and does not provide GPL'd source. https://forum.archive.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=58973 It occurred to me that one way to have an OpenWrt accessible router, and support the project would be to crowd fund an OpenWrt Development router and build in an OpenWrt donation into the cost. It would be somewhat like the PineBook Pro, orders taken and if a threshold met, a production run is certified. OpenWrt would license the logo and provide stable firmware for initial flash and development firmware via download. The donations would be earmarked to support infrastructure or development meetings (Like OpenBSD). A poll was setup and run for 2 weeks: https://forum.openwrt.org/t/poll-interest-in-an-openwrt-purpose-built-router/692 95d A prior thread where the idea was kicked around: https://forum.openwrt.org/t/advertising-and-selling-routers-with-openwrt-lede-in stalled/12372/3 Some respondents wanted high end routers but I'm pushing for limiting risk. Would the project be interested in exploring this further?" -- J. Scott Heppler ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
