Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-ippm-pam-04, draft-clemm-opsawg-pam-ipfix-00

[Greg Mirsky]

Hi Thomas,
thank you for the feedback and proposed update. Please find my notes below
tagged by GIM2>>.

Regards,
Greg

On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 6:56 AM  wrote:

> Dear Greg,
>
>
>
> Thanks a lot for addressing my comments.
>
>
>
> GIM> It could be easier to take out "flow" altogether. WDYT?
>
>
>
> TG> Let me propose something else:
>
>
>
> Change from
>
>
>
> "When analyzing the availability metrics of a service flow between two
> nodes"
>
>
>
> To
>
>
>
> "When analyzing the availability metrics of a connectivity service between
> two measurement points"
>
GIM2>> Prior to IETF-117 the authors extensively discussed the definition
of a connectivity service. Because we couldn't find it being formulated in
published documents we agreed to avoid referencing it in the PAM document.
I hope that you will agree to the following update:
OLD TEXT:
   When analyzing the availability metrics of a service flow between two
   nodes, a time interval as the unit of PAM needs to be selected.
NEW TEXT:
   When analyzing the availability metrics of a service between two
   measurement points, a time interval as the unit of PAM needs to be
   selected.

>
>
> GIM>> I agree. Check the attached diff.
>
>
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> TG> Perfect thanks!
>
GIM2>> Great!

>
>
> Best wishes
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
> *From:* Greg Mirsky 
> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2023 10:33 PM
> *To:* Graf Thomas, INI-NET-VNC-HCS 
> *Cc:* opsawg@ietf.org; i...@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-ippm-pam-04,
> draft-clemm-opsawg-pam-ipfix-00
>
>
>
> Hi Thomas,
>
> thank you for supporting this work and for your helpful comments. Please
> find my notes inlined below tagged by GIM>>.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 2:24 PM  wrote:
>
> Dear Alex and Greg,
>
>
>
> I reviewed draft-ietf-ippm-pam-04 and draft-clemm-opsawg-pam-ipfix-00 and
> have some comments and questions.
>
>
>
> Section 3.1 of draft-ietf-ippm-pam-04 (
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-pam-04#section-3.1)
> mentions the term "service flow".
>
>
>
> I haven't been able to find in any IETF document describing/defining the
> term. I suggest to describe it in the terminology section 2.1 and specify
> it as an IPFIX and YANG element.
>
> GIM>> I checked and found that "service flow" is used only once in the
> document:
>
>
>
>When analyzing the availability metrics of a service flow between two
>
>nodes, a time interval as the unit of PAM needs to be selected.
>
>
>
> It could be easier to take out "flow" altogether. WDYT?
>
>
>
> Section 3.3 of draft-ietf-ippm-pam-04 specifies an "Unavailability
> threshold". I suggest to specify in Section 3.1 of
> draft-clemm-opsawg-pam-ipfix-00 (
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-clemm-opsawg-pam-ipfix-00#section-3.1)
> this as IPFIX element as well.
>
>
>
> The "service flow" describes that the SLO metrics are measured between two
> nodes. However in draft-clemm-opsawg-pam-ipfix the SLO metrics are measured
> and export on one node. I would appreciate if you could describe how this
> information is being measured. Presumably by leveraging of probing.
>
> GIM>> The PAM document will not specify how to measure but where and what
> to be measured. We will work on clarifying that all PAM metrics are
> measured between two Measurement Points in the PAM IPFIX draft.
>
>
>
> In general I feel that draft-ietf-ippm-pam-04 would benefit of having a
> reference to the Performance Metrics Registry defined in RFC 8911/8912.
>
>  GIM>> I agree. Check the attached diff.
>
>
>
> I would be interested to understand wherever the authors intend to create
> a draft document describing a service YANG module.
>
> GIM>> That's a great suggestion, thank you. Let us discuss it.
>
>
>
> Best wishes
>
> Thomas
>
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Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-ippm-pam-04, draft-clemm-opsawg-pam-ipfix-00

[Thomas.Graf]

Dear Greg,

Thanks a lot for addressing my comments.

GIM> It could be easier to take out "flow" altogether. WDYT?

TG> Let me propose something else:

Change from

"When analyzing the availability metrics of a service flow between two nodes"

To

"When analyzing the availability metrics of a connectivity service between two 
measurement points"

GIM>> I agree. Check the attached diff.

TG> Perfect thanks!

Best wishes
Thomas

From: Greg Mirsky 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 10:33 PM
To: Graf Thomas, INI-NET-VNC-HCS 
Cc: opsawg@ietf.org; i...@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-ippm-pam-04, draft-clemm-opsawg-pam-ipfix-00

Hi Thomas,
thank you for supporting this work and for your helpful comments. Please find 
my notes inlined below tagged by GIM>>.

Regards,
Greg

On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 2:24 PM 
mailto:thomas.g...@swisscom.com>> wrote:
Dear Alex and Greg,

I reviewed draft-ietf-ippm-pam-04 and draft-clemm-opsawg-pam-ipfix-00 and have 
some comments and questions.

Section 3.1 of draft-ietf-ippm-pam-04 
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-pam-04#section-3.1) 
mentions the term "service flow".

I haven't been able to find in any IETF document describing/defining the term. 
I suggest to describe it in the terminology section 2.1 and specify it as an 
IPFIX and YANG element.
GIM>> I checked and found that "service flow" is used only once in the document:

   When analyzing the availability metrics of a service flow between two
   nodes, a time interval as the unit of PAM needs to be selected.

It could be easier to take out "flow" altogether. WDYT?

Section 3.3 of draft-ietf-ippm-pam-04 specifies an "Unavailability threshold". 
I suggest to specify in Section 3.1 of draft-clemm-opsawg-pam-ipfix-00 
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-clemm-opsawg-pam-ipfix-00#section-3.1)
 this as IPFIX element as well.

The "service flow" describes that the SLO metrics are measured between two 
nodes. However in draft-clemm-opsawg-pam-ipfix the SLO metrics are measured and 
export on one node. I would appreciate if you could describe how this 
information is being measured. Presumably by leveraging of probing.
GIM>> The PAM document will not specify how to measure but where and what to be 
measured. We will work on clarifying that all PAM metrics are measured between 
two Measurement Points in the PAM IPFIX draft.

In general I feel that draft-ietf-ippm-pam-04 would benefit of having a 
reference to the Performance Metrics Registry defined in RFC 8911/8912.
 GIM>> I agree. Check the attached diff.

I would be interested to understand wherever the authors intend to create a 
draft document describing a service YANG module.
GIM>> That's a great suggestion, thank you. Let us discuss it.

Best wishes
Thomas
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