Re: End of ROCKate soon
On 06.07.2007 18:50:32, Robert Hogan wrote: > On Friday 06 July 2007 17:50:08 Benjamin Schieder wrote: > > Hi people. > > > > In response to a law that passed the german legislative today, I will cease > > production, development and distribution of ROCKate binaries and - maybe - > > even source code soon. > > The reasen is §202c StGB which states (IANAL translation): > > > > "Producing, acquiring, selling, giving, distributing or making-accessible > > of passwords or other access codes as well as computer programs whose aim > > it is to commi a crime ... will be punished with up to one year in jail or > > a fine." > > > > IANAL interpretation: > > "Unless the aim of ROCKate is to commit a crime, as opposed to facilitating > privacy, then you have nothing to worry about. Honest." Well, german courts might that Tor is a popular link in attack vectors. Maybe I'm a bit paranoid here, just not taking chances here. > Given Germany's recent history with Tor I understand your caution. And I > don't > think anyone would want to be the subject of a test case. > > If the law is intended to mean "a computer program that facilitates a crime" > then it's hard to think where the law could stop. I honestly think they are > going after the bots and viruses with this, perhaps even programs that clone > smart card information. If the remit is broader I'm really not sure how you > could hang this law on Tor without hanging it on PGP as well. And then SSL > and so on. > > Are you aware of any other German software projects with similar concerns? The whole security industry in Germany is currently up in arms. The wording of the law actually outlaws programs like nmap, wireshark and tcpdump as well as outlaws usage of actual Virii and Trojans to test defenses. Phenoelit shut down its german website where programs such as debuggers for windows, SAP exploits and various brute forcers were hosted. Greetings, Benjamin -- The Nethack IdleRPG! Idle to your favorite Nethack messages! http://pallas.crash-override.net/nethackidle/ pgpWYbvN4iUoM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: End of ROCKate soon
On Friday 06 July 2007 17:50:08 Benjamin Schieder wrote: > Hi people. > > In response to a law that passed the german legislative today, I will cease > production, development and distribution of ROCKate binaries and - maybe - > even source code soon. > The reasen is §202c StGB which states (IANAL translation): > > "Producing, acquiring, selling, giving, distributing or making-accessible > of passwords or other access codes as well as computer programs whose aim > it is to commi a crime ... will be punished with up to one year in jail or > a fine." > IANAL interpretation: "Unless the aim of ROCKate is to commit a crime, as opposed to facilitating privacy, then you have nothing to worry about. Honest." Given Germany's recent history with Tor I understand your caution. And I don't think anyone would want to be the subject of a test case. If the law is intended to mean "a computer program that facilitates a crime" then it's hard to think where the law could stop. I honestly think they are going after the bots and viruses with this, perhaps even programs that clone smart card information. If the remit is broader I'm really not sure how you could hang this law on Tor without hanging it on PGP as well. And then SSL and so on. Are you aware of any other German software projects with similar concerns? -- Browse Anonymously Anywhere - http://anonymityanywhere.com TorK- KDE Anonymity Manager - http://tork.sf.net KlamAV - KDE Anti-Virus- http://www.klamav.net
Re: End of ROCKate soon
On 06.07.2007 12:01:06, Arrakis wrote: > Benjamin, > > Sorry to hear you won't be keeping up on the ROCKate and > have been forced to succumb to Germany's turn. I expect > more such tor-related shutdowns among fear and legislation. > I'll be picking up the slack shortly, so no worries. > A development release of xB Machine will be available > August 3rd. It will likely be hosted from Germany, but > I think we will stand the heat. If Germany doesn't like > it we will host it elsewhere. If you want, we could probably > host it for you, but I don't know how much you want > it still available, if Germany will punish you for it. I'd be really happy if someone can host it outside Germany. I don't think they can sue me because I did the work before the law passed. I can also imagine picking up work again if - when - the smoke clears. Just for now, I'm not too keen to go to jail for some stupid law that outlaws tools instead of use. Greetings, Benjamin -- Benjamin 'blindCoder' Schieder Registered Linux User #289529: http://counter.li.org finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] | gpg --import -- You're individual! You're unique! Just like everyone else! pgp0gG3fCfv7a.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: End of ROCKate soon
Here it is: http://www.bmj.bund.de/media/archive/1317.pdf Also, there is coverage in the C4 Wiki: http://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php?title=%C2%A7202c_StGB Greetings, Benjamin On 06.07.2007 11:01:19, Sam wrote: > Benjamin, > > Do you have a link to the German law text by any chance? > > Would be helpful. > > Sam > > Benjamin Schieder wrote: > >Hi people. > > > >In response to a law that passed the german legislative today, I will cease > >production, development and distribution of ROCKate binaries and - maybe - > >even source code soon. > >The reasen is §202c StGB which states (IANAL translation): > > > >"Producing, acquiring, selling, giving, distributing or making-accessible > >of > >passwords or other access codes as well as computer programs whose aim it > >is > >to commi a crime ... will be punished with up to one year in jail or a > >fine." > > > >See also: http://www.phenoelit.de/202/202.html > > > >Basically, these waters are too hot for me to tread in. Though the official > >reading of the wall - reading from politicians that is - says that they > >only > >target 'criminals' and there is no need to worry with the wording, nobody > >knows when some underworked lawyer thinks he might go on to sue the ass off > >of everyone in IT. > > > >If someone wants to mirror/host/develop ROCKate further, be my guest. If > >you > >need technical assistance, I can offer guidance, but I probably won't write > >a single line of code anymore. Sorry. > > > > > >Greetings, > > Benjamin > > -- Benjamin 'blindCoder' Schieder Registered Linux User #289529: http://counter.li.org finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] | gpg --import -- You're individual! You're unique! Just like everyone else! pgpFmQye4Cxac.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: End of ROCKate soon
Benjamin, Sorry to hear you won't be keeping up on the ROCKate and have been forced to succumb to Germany's turn. I expect more such tor-related shutdowns among fear and legislation. I'll be picking up the slack shortly, so no worries. A development release of xB Machine will be available August 3rd. It will likely be hosted from Germany, but I think we will stand the heat. If Germany doesn't like it we will host it elsewhere. If you want, we could probably host it for you, but I don't know how much you want it still available, if Germany will punish you for it. Steve Benjamin Schieder wrote: > Hi people. > > In response to a law that passed the german legislative today, I will cease > production, development and distribution of ROCKate binaries and - maybe - > even source code soon. > The reasen is §202c StGB which states (IANAL translation): > > "Producing, acquiring, selling, giving, distributing or making-accessible of > passwords or other access codes as well as computer programs whose aim it is > to commi a crime ... will be punished with up to one year in jail or a fine." > > See also: http://www.phenoelit.de/202/202.html > > Basically, these waters are too hot for me to tread in. Though the official > reading of the wall - reading from politicians that is - says that they only > target 'criminals' and there is no need to worry with the wording, nobody > knows when some underworked lawyer thinks he might go on to sue the ass off > of everyone in IT. > > If someone wants to mirror/host/develop ROCKate further, be my guest. If you > need technical assistance, I can offer guidance, but I probably won't write > a single line of code anymore. Sorry. > > > Greetings, > Benjamin
Re: End of ROCKate soon
Benjamin, Do you have a link to the German law text by any chance? Would be helpful. Sam Benjamin Schieder wrote: Hi people. In response to a law that passed the german legislative today, I will cease production, development and distribution of ROCKate binaries and - maybe - even source code soon. The reasen is §202c StGB which states (IANAL translation): "Producing, acquiring, selling, giving, distributing or making-accessible of passwords or other access codes as well as computer programs whose aim it is to commi a crime ... will be punished with up to one year in jail or a fine." See also: http://www.phenoelit.de/202/202.html Basically, these waters are too hot for me to tread in. Though the official reading of the wall - reading from politicians that is - says that they only target 'criminals' and there is no need to worry with the wording, nobody knows when some underworked lawyer thinks he might go on to sue the ass off of everyone in IT. If someone wants to mirror/host/develop ROCKate further, be my guest. If you need technical assistance, I can offer guidance, but I probably won't write a single line of code anymore. Sorry. Greetings, Benjamin
End of ROCKate soon
Hi people. In response to a law that passed the german legislative today, I will cease production, development and distribution of ROCKate binaries and - maybe - even source code soon. The reasen is §202c StGB which states (IANAL translation): "Producing, acquiring, selling, giving, distributing or making-accessible of passwords or other access codes as well as computer programs whose aim it is to commi a crime ... will be punished with up to one year in jail or a fine." See also: http://www.phenoelit.de/202/202.html Basically, these waters are too hot for me to tread in. Though the official reading of the wall - reading from politicians that is - says that they only target 'criminals' and there is no need to worry with the wording, nobody knows when some underworked lawyer thinks he might go on to sue the ass off of everyone in IT. If someone wants to mirror/host/develop ROCKate further, be my guest. If you need technical assistance, I can offer guidance, but I probably won't write a single line of code anymore. Sorry. Greetings, Benjamin -- The Nethack IdleRPG! Idle to your favorite Nethack messages! http://pallas.crash-override.net/nethackidle/ pgp3uvbOTsgRJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: MinGW compile errors with svn version 10742
On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 14:30:36 +0800 "Roy Tam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Proposed patch: > http://three.fsphost.com/rtfreesoft/tor/tor_r10742_win32_CriticalSection.patch > Compiled binary (MSVC 7.1): > http://three.fsphost.com/rtfreesoft/tor/tor-2.0.2-alpha-r10742-rel.7z Well, this patch work well with mingw too. :) -- Li-Hui Zhou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
