Re: Exclude nodes from certain countries
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:54:43 -0400 misc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:17:14 -0500 (CDT), Scott Bennett wrote: Please read the tor documentation. If you think you've already done that, please go back and read it again. That brings back the pain of reading it the first time :) I must admit I gave up after first few pages. I found it was too technical Oh, my goodness! And you've been *using* tor? That's like walking across Lake Shore Drive wearing earplugs and blindfolded. :-( I never even downloaded the first version I used until I had taken the time to read and understand most of the documentation at tor.eff.org well enough to convince myself that I could use it safely and even depend upon it to a satisfactory degree. and overwhelming, even though I'm not a computer novice. Once you understand the functions of the directory authorities and the directory mirrors, take a few minutes to browse through the files that tor maintains on your computer. Note especially the contents of the files named cached-routers and cached-routers.new, and also the status document files in the cached-status/ subdirectory. All should be clear to you after you do those basic things. Note that this is a user safety issue: one should *not* use tor without having gained first a minimal understanding of what tor is doing and what it is not doing. Without that understanding, a user is in grave danger of assuming his/her anonymmity is being maintained when, in fact, it may not be. Now that you pointed me to specific things to research, it's a bit easier and it's a place to start. Is there some sort of in-a-nutshell documentation without excessive technicalities that you can recommend? Sounds like wanting a guide to PGP that doesn't involve the reader understanding the basics of public-key encryption. Sigh... I'd strongly recommend that you start with the tor overview document at https://tor.eff.org/overview paying special attention to the cartoon describing how circuits are built, which should begin to straighten you out on some of the other misconceptions you've indicated regarding tor. To learn about the process in greater detail, continue reading at http://tor.eff.org/svn/trunk/doc/spec/path-spec.txt To understand how tor clients (and servers) know what choices of servers are available, you need to read the directory protocol document(s) appropriate to the version of tor you run. For 0.1.2.1[67], read http://tor.eff.org/svn/trunk/doc/spec/dir-spec-v2.txt For 0.2.0.6-alpha, read the above and http://tor.eff.org/svn/trunk/doc/spec/dir-spec.txt And for earlier versions, *UPGRADE* to one of the above. To my knowledge, there is no _Tor_for_Dummies_ or _The_Complete _Idiot's_Guide_to_Tor_ . (Most of us are grateful for the documentation efforts that Roger Dingledine et al. have made already.) It's sophisticated, complex software to provide services that are quite complicated and tricky to achieve. Knowing how to use it safely comes from understanding it anyway, so you have a choice: a) you can continue to live dangerously and obliviously until you get yourself into serious trouble, or b) you can stop using tor, or c) you can bite the bullet and study. Best wishes with whichever path you choose. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army. * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * **
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
On 07:41:12 2007-09-16 Martin Senftleben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Sonntag, 16. September 2007 02:19 schrieb Alexander W. Janssen: On 9/16/07, Ringo Kamens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you set up a paypal account I would be willing to donate on a case-by-case basis (in this case, it would be to help with your legal fees). I think even if you don't need help with legal fees by receiving donations from all across the world it sends the message to German authorities that harassing and attacking tor node operators is not acceptable. Also, being able to mail in money would also be nice ; ) Well. There's an EFF Europe now and it has a coordinator, Erik Josefsson, who's in cahrge with it. Maybe we should contact him and let all the funds ran over the european EFF? Erik, you're listening? Is there any possiblity to create a legal fund? (Problem is: At leat german organisations can't accept donations tax-free from foreign countries. Also I'd like to see someone official in charge rather than some person - like me, who is pretty much unkown and not trustworthy when it comes to money.) I (a German) am particularly reluctant to use PayPal. Recently, c't (a German computer magazine) published a series of incidents which shattered my faith in PayPal completely. Further, PayPal informs the police willingly about movements at their end - also abroad. Even though I have an account with PayPal in Germany, US-police obviously could obtain information from PayPal about me. Besides, small submissions (like 1 US$) swallow high fees, that doesn't make much sense. I avoid paypal myself for a long time... Just heard to many bad things about it... There is a british based site: http://www.moneybookers.co.uk Their privacy policy seems to be better in general... association (eingetragener Verein) would be protected against legal prosecution. The association could act as contract partners with the ISPs, and as that run Tor nodes which are managed by its members. Nice... -- Andraž ruskie Levstik Source Mage GNU/Linux Games grimoire guru Geek/Hacker/Tinker Be sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth. Key id = F4C1F89C Key fingerprint = 6FF2 8F20 4C9D DB36 B5B6 F134 884D 72CC F4C1 F89C
Re: Exclude nodes from certain countries
On Friday 14 September 2007 18:27:21 misc wrote: I'm using Tor on windows I prefer to avoid tor nodes from certain countries. I know that I can manually add nodes into ExcludeNodes setting in Tor Config. However there are over hundred different Tor nodes in one country I want to exclude. And they're constantly changing (news ones pop up, old ones disappear, etc). It's impossible to do such a task manually using ExcludeNodes setting. Didn't anybody find a better way? TorK allows you to do this (in a rough and ready way using the geoip database (maxmind.com) - about 9x% accurate). TorK is available only for Linux/BSD unfortunately, but you could you use the Incognito LiveCD which uses TorK as the default Tor interface. http://www.patdouble.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=11Itemid=18 http://files1.cjb.net/incognito -- Browse Anonymously Anywhere - http://anonymityanywhere.com TorK- KDE Anonymity Manager - http://tork.sf.net KlamAV - KDE Anti-Virus- http://www.klamav.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
Am Sonntag, 16. September 2007 07:41 schrieb Martin Senftleben: Hello, can you please give some more info about that? I am just thinkinking about becoming member of a association and let my two tor nodes register as from that association. I have the luck that my home was not yet searched by any technical incompetent police, but who knows... What about the Humanistische Union? Do they have tor nodes? Is there anybody of them in this thread? Would like to hear if the HU is interested of gettimg members with tor nodes as entrance gift. What I definitely NOT like is giving up my help for the tor project. In times like these modern inquisition we have to resist, but have to find ways to protect ourselves. I am currently into registering an association that was founded more than a hundred years ago - that is quite some work, but manageable. I find the thought to found an association quite intriguing, particularly for Germany, where the members of a registered association (eingetragener Verein) would be protected against legal prosecution. The association could act as contract partners with the ISPs, and as that run Tor nodes which are managed by its members. BTW, one such node has just been set up which is legally registered with an association in Germany and run by a previous Tor-node admin who has also been harassed by the police. But I don't think they will be setting up more nodes. Martin pgpKHmcIlJGzx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
Greetings! Because of the terrible threat to civil liberties that currently exists (on several levels) in the UK there are some interesting groups and working relationships that are beginning to establish themselves. These UK groups are also building connections within Europe. Perhaps there is some kind of scope here for Tor Operators who have created their own association, to form some kind of affiliation with other groups that are already actively involved in addressing issues not too disimiliar to those that have affected (and no doubt will continue to affect) Tor Operators. Of course, there would need to be a clear understanding of the goals/objectives of any such association of Tor Operators/Users. The point I am trying to make here has already been made, that there should be some coordinated effort to promote and protect the legitimacy of Tor as a valid and important human rights tool. The shift of emphasis needs to be made, away from all of the negative implications of Tor and back onto the benefits that Tor has to offer. To my mind, this can only really be achieved through some kind of definite, structured, coordinated effort. I would be willing to play my part, here in the UK, where I can. I've included a link to the Open Rights Group by way of example (not promotion per se), to illustrate the point (that has already been made) that many groups already exist with whom an association of Tor Operators/Users could affiliate. This could be done both on a local (National) level and then also in various world regions. EDRI, for example, incorporates the involvement of at least one member of the CCC. http://www.openrightsgroup.org/2007/09/03/digital-rights-go-continental/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDRI http://www.edri.org/ -- Open Rights Group: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Rights_Group http://www.openrightsgroup.org/ -- Any comments and further focus/opinion? Regards, Stephen
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
Am Sonntag, 16. September 2007 12:08 schrieb Thomas Hluchnik: Am Sonntag, 16. September 2007 07:41 schrieb Martin Senftleben: Hello, can you please give some more info about that? I am just thinkinking about becoming member of a association and let my two tor nodes register as from that association. I have the luck that my home was not yet searched by any technical incompetent police, but who knows... I am not sure about which association has done that, but I'm in the process of finding it out. I wonder if it would be meaningful to found a German association that is dedicated to that sole purpose of protecting privacy on the Internet - if such an association doesn't yet exist in Germany - and provides Tor servers as well as legal advice for German Tor admins and others who provide similar facilities and are proscuted in Germany. What about the Humanistische Union? Do they have tor nodes? Is there anybody of them in this thread? Would like to hear if the HU is interested of gettimg members with tor nodes as entrance gift. I'm not sure, I can't imagine they would do it, but I'll ask them. What I definitely NOT like is giving up my help for the tor project. In times like these modern inquisition we have to resist, but have to find ways to protect ourselves. Martin -- Dr. Martin Senftleben, Ph.D. (S.V.U.) http://www.drmartinus.de/ http://www.daskirchenjahr.de/ pgp0IRfWljg1j.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:08:27 +0200 Thomas Hluchnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Sonntag, 16. September 2007 07:41 schrieb Martin Senftleben: Hello, Please get with the program. This is getting to be a real drag. See below. can you please give some more info about that? I am just thinkinking about= =20 becoming member of a association and let my two tor nodes register as from= =20 that association. I have the luck that my home was not yet searched by any= =20 technical incompetent police, but who knows... What about the Humanistische Union? Do they have tor nodes? Is there anyb= ody=20 of them in this thread? Would like to hear if the HU is interested of getti= mg=20 members with tor nodes as entrance gift. What I definitely NOT like is giving up my help for the tor project. In tim= es=20 like these modern inquisition we have to resist, but have to find ways to=20 protect ourselves. I am currently into registering an association that was founded more=20 than a hundred years ago - that is quite some work, but manageable.=20 I find the thought to found an association quite intriguing,=20 particularly for Germany, where the members of a registered=20 association (eingetragener Verein) would be protected against legal=20 prosecution. The association could act as contract partners with the=20 ISPs, and as that run Tor nodes which are managed by its members.=20 =20 BTW, one such node has just been set up which is legally registered=20 with an association in Germany and run by a previous Tor-node admin=20 who has also been harassed by the police. But I don't think they will=20 be setting up more nodes. A: It makes it hard to follow and is thus inconsiderate. B: Why not? A Once again, Do NOT TOP-POST!!! Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army. * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * **
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
I know they aren't directly related, but it could also help to involve *the unions* because they have a lot of power. At least in the US. Unfortunately I just started school and I have very little time on my hands so I can't directly help with this project much, even though I was working 10 hours a day with them before, but you should make a post to Binary Freedom (the discussion list). People there will certainly help you. They are an advocacy group for binary freedoms that participate in a lot of direct action and they can certainly help your cause. We have troops on the ground in the UK, but not sure about Germany. Comrade Ringo Kamens On 9/16/07, Scott Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:08:27 +0200 Thomas Hluchnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Sonntag, 16. September 2007 07:41 schrieb Martin Senftleben: Hello, Please get with the program. This is getting to be a real drag. See below. can you please give some more info about that? I am just thinkinking about= =20 becoming member of a association and let my two tor nodes register as from= =20 that association. I have the luck that my home was not yet searched by any= =20 technical incompetent police, but who knows... What about the Humanistische Union? Do they have tor nodes? Is there anyb= ody=20 of them in this thread? Would like to hear if the HU is interested of getti= mg=20 members with tor nodes as entrance gift. What I definitely NOT like is giving up my help for the tor project. In tim= es=20 like these modern inquisition we have to resist, but have to find ways to=20 protect ourselves. I am currently into registering an association that was founded more=20 than a hundred years ago - that is quite some work, but manageable.=20 I find the thought to found an association quite intriguing,=20 particularly for Germany, where the members of a registered=20 association (eingetragener Verein) would be protected against legal=20 prosecution. The association could act as contract partners with the=20 ISPs, and as that run Tor nodes which are managed by its members.=20 =20 BTW, one such node has just been set up which is legally registered=20 with an association in Germany and run by a previous Tor-node admin=20 who has also been harassed by the police. But I don't think they will=20 be setting up more nodes. A: It makes it hard to follow and is thus inconsiderate. B: Why not? A Once again, Do NOT TOP-POST!!! Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army. * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * **
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:06:25 -0400 Ringo Kamens [EMAIL PROTECTED] still didn't get it: I know they aren't directly related, but it could also help to involve *the unions* because they have a lot of power. At least in the US. Unfortunately I just started school and I have very little time on my hands so I can't directly help with this project much, even though I was working 10 hours a day with them before, but you should make a post to Binary Freedom (the discussion list). People there will certainly help you. They are an advocacy group for binary freedoms that participate in a lot of direct action and they can certainly help your cause. We have troops on the ground in the UK, but not sure about Germany. Comrade Ringo Kamens On 9/16/07, Scott Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:08:27 +0200 Thomas Hluchnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Sonntag, 16. September 2007 07:41 schrieb Martin Senftleben: Hello, Please get with the program. This is getting to be a real drag. See below. can you please give some more info about that? I am just thinkinking about= =20 becoming member of a association and let my two tor nodes register as from= =20 that association. I have the luck that my home was not yet searched by any= =20 technical incompetent police, but who knows... What about the Humanistische Union? Do they have tor nodes? Is there anyb= ody=20 of them in this thread? Would like to hear if the HU is interested of getti= mg=20 members with tor nodes as entrance gift. What I definitely NOT like is giving up my help for the tor project. In tim= es=20 like these modern inquisition we have to resist, but have to find ways to=20 protect ourselves. I am currently into registering an association that was founded more=20 than a hundred years ago - that is quite some work, but manageable.=20 I find the thought to found an association quite intriguing,=20 particularly for Germany, where the members of a registered=20 association (eingetragener Verein) would be protected against legal=20 prosecution. The association could act as contract partners with the=20 ISPs, and as that run Tor nodes which are managed by its members.=20 =20 BTW, one such node has just been set up which is legally registered=20 with an association in Germany and run by a previous Tor-node admin=20 who has also been harassed by the police. But I don't think they will=20 be setting up more nodes. A: It makes it hard to follow and is thus inconsiderate. B: Why not? A Once again, Do NOT TOP-POST!!! Attention Comrade Ringo Kamens: Please read the above!!! Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army. * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * **
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
I'm using gmail which doesn't give me an option unless I'm using a pop3 client. Comrade Ringo Kamens On 9/16/07, Scott Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:06:25 -0400 Ringo Kamens [EMAIL PROTECTED] still didn't get it: I know they aren't directly related, but it could also help to involve *the unions* because they have a lot of power. At least in the US. Unfortunately I just started school and I have very little time on my hands so I can't directly help with this project much, even though I was working 10 hours a day with them before, but you should make a post to Binary Freedom (the discussion list). People there will certainly help you. They are an advocacy group for binary freedoms that participate in a lot of direct action and they can certainly help your cause. We have troops on the ground in the UK, but not sure about Germany. Comrade Ringo Kamens On 9/16/07, Scott Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:08:27 +0200 Thomas Hluchnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Sonntag, 16. September 2007 07:41 schrieb Martin Senftleben: Hello, Please get with the program. This is getting to be a real drag. See below. can you please give some more info about that? I am just thinkinking about= =20 becoming member of a association and let my two tor nodes register as from= =20 that association. I have the luck that my home was not yet searched by any= =20 technical incompetent police, but who knows... What about the Humanistische Union? Do they have tor nodes? Is there anyb= ody=20 of them in this thread? Would like to hear if the HU is interested of getti= mg=20 members with tor nodes as entrance gift. What I definitely NOT like is giving up my help for the tor project. In tim= es=20 like these modern inquisition we have to resist, but have to find ways to=20 protect ourselves. I am currently into registering an association that was founded more=20 than a hundred years ago - that is quite some work, but manageable.=20 I find the thought to found an association quite intriguing,=20 particularly for Germany, where the members of a registered=20 association (eingetragener Verein) would be protected against legal=20 prosecution. The association could act as contract partners with the=20 ISPs, and as that run Tor nodes which are managed by its members.=20 =20 BTW, one such node has just been set up which is legally registered=20 with an association in Germany and run by a previous Tor-node admin=20 who has also been harassed by the police. But I don't think they will=20 be setting up more nodes. A: It makes it hard to follow and is thus inconsiderate. B: Why not? A Once again, Do NOT TOP-POST!!! Attention Comrade Ringo Kamens: Please read the above!!! Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army. * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * **
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:44:21 -0400 Ringo Kamens [EMAIL PROTECTED] claimed: I'm using gmail which doesn't give me an option unless I'm using a pop3 client. Comrade Ringo Kamens See evidence that others manage somehow below. And couldn't you use a pop3s client instead? Encrypted links are the way, you know. On 9/16/07, Scott Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:06:25 -0400 Ringo Kamens [EMAIL PROTECTED] still didn't get it: I know they aren't directly related, but it could also help to involve *the unions* because they have a lot of power. At least in the US. Unfortunately I just started school and I have very little time on my hands so I can't directly help with this project much, even though I was working 10 hours a day with them before, but you should make a post to Binary Freedom (the discussion list). People there will certainly help you. They are an advocacy group for binary freedoms that participate in a lot of direct action and they can certainly help your cause. We have troops on the ground in the UK, but not sure about Germany. Comrade Ringo Kamens On 9/16/07, Scott Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:08:27 +0200 Thomas Hluchnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Sonntag, 16. September 2007 07:41 schrieb Martin Senftleben: Hello, Please get with the program. This is getting to be a real drag. See below. can you please give some more info about that? I am just thinkinking about= =20 becoming member of a association and let my two tor nodes register as from= =20 that association. I have the luck that my home was not yet searched by any= =20 technical incompetent police, but who knows... What about the Humanistische Union? Do they have tor nodes? Is there anyb= ody=20 of them in this thread? Would like to hear if the HU is interested of getti= mg=20 members with tor nodes as entrance gift. What I definitely NOT like is giving up my help for the tor project. In tim= es=20 like these modern inquisition we have to resist, but have to find ways to=20 protect ourselves. I am currently into registering an association that was founded more=20 than a hundred years ago - that is quite some work, but manageable.=20 I find the thought to found an association quite intriguing,=20 particularly for Germany, where the members of a registered=20 association (eingetragener Verein) would be protected against legal=20 prosecution. The association could act as contract partners with the=20 ISPs, and as that run Tor nodes which are managed by its members.=20 =20 BTW, one such node has just been set up which is legally registered=20 with an association in Germany and run by a previous Tor-node admin=20 who has also been harassed by the police. But I don't think they will=20 be setting up more nodes. A: It makes it hard to follow and is thus inconsiderate. B: Why not? A Once again, Do NOT TOP-POST!!! Attention Comrade Ringo Kamens: Please read the above!!! Here's a fairly recent posting to the freebsd-ports list from someone at a gmail.com account. I've indented with ']' in this case. ]Message: 3 ]Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:21:47 +0800 ]From: Jiawei Ye [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]Subject: Re: compat-6x does not work when kernel has NO_KSE ]To: Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], freebsd ports [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]Message-ID: ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 ] ]On 9/12/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ] ] How does symbol versioning affect this? Are you saying that libmap no ] longer works with pre-7 libraries? ] ] Kris ] ]This is what happens when I try to run diablo-jdk15 on a ]symbol-versioned -current with NO_KSE kernel. ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/ports/java/diablo-jdk15]$ ]/usr/local/diablo-jdk1.5.0/jre/bin/java -version ]Fatal error 'kse_create() failed ]' at line 444 in file /usr/src/lib/libpthread/thread/thr_kern.c (errno = 2) ] ]So I added this to /etc/libmap.conf (this will use libthr.so.3) ] ][/usr/local/diablo-jdk1.5.0/jre/bin/java] ]libpthread.so.2 libthr.so ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] /etc]$ /usr/local/diablo-jdk1.5.0/jre/bin/java -version ]/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib/libthr.so: version LIBTHREAD_1_0 ]required by /usr/local/diablo-jdk1.5.0/jre/bin/java not found ] ]I am not sure what is the correct way to fix this. ] ]Jiawei ] ]-- ]If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, ]then to the end user it's a duck, and end users have made it pretty ]clear they want a duck; whether the duck drinks hot chocolate or ]coffee is irrelevant. ] ] ]-- So apparently others with gmail.com accounts manage to post correctly. Unless there is something unusual about your individual account, please learn to use your email interface and editor(s).
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
Am Sonntag, den 16.09.2007, 08:59 -0500 schrieb Scott Bennett: On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:44:21 -0400 Ringo Kamens [EMAIL PROTECTED] claimed: I'm using gmail which doesn't give me an option unless I'm using a pop3 client. Comrade Ringo Kamens Here's a fairly recent posting to the freebsd-ports list from someone at a gmail.com account. I've indented with ']' in this case. [...] So apparently others with gmail.com accounts manage to post correctly. Unless there is something unusual about your individual account, please learn to use your email interface and editor(s). Up until now, it has been a pain to follow any thread to which you have posted a followup. I can follow his posts with ease. Maybe you should change your mail reader? ;-) I've understood him like this: He's using the webinterface at gmail, *not* a POP3/s client and maybe gmail handles it like this. Btw: And maybe you should place such things more gently by private mail. Greets -- BlueStar88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
Ringo Kamens wrote: I'm using gmail which doesn't give me an option unless I'm using a pop3 client. Comrade Ringo Kamens When you hit reply. Your cursor is at the top of the message. There's nothing stopping you moving the cursor down. In fact, a quick google shows that if you're using Firefox, there's a Greasemonkey script which does this for you: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/8041 Mike
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
On 9/16/07, Scott Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:44:21 -0400 Ringo Kamens [EMAIL PROTECTED] claimed: I'm using gmail which doesn't give me an option unless I'm using a pop3 client. Comrade Ringo Kamens See evidence that others manage somehow below. And couldn't you use a pop3s client instead? Encrypted links are the way, you know. On 9/16/07, Scott Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:06:25 -0400 Ringo Kamens [EMAIL PROTECTED] still didn't get it: I know they aren't directly related, but it could also help to involve *the unions* because they have a lot of power. At least in the US. Unfortunately I just started school and I have very little time on my hands so I can't directly help with this project much, even though I was working 10 hours a day with them before, but you should make a post to Binary Freedom (the discussion list). People there will certainly help you. They are an advocacy group for binary freedoms that participate in a lot of direct action and they can certainly help your cause. We have troops on the ground in the UK, but not sure about Germany. Comrade Ringo Kamens [snipped] ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] /etc]$ /usr/local/diablo-jdk1.5.0/jre/bin/java -version ]/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib/libthr.so: version LIBTHREAD_1_0 ]required by /usr/local/diablo-jdk1.5.0/jre/bin/java not found ] ]I am not sure what is the correct way to fix this. ] ]Jiawei ] ]-- ]If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, ]then to the end user it's a duck, and end users have made it pretty ]clear they want a duck; whether the duck drinks hot chocolate or ]coffee is irrelevant. ] ] ]-- So apparently others with gmail.com accounts manage to post correctly. Unless there is something unusual about your individual account, please learn to use your email interface and editor(s). Up until now, it has been a pain to follow any thread to which you have posted a followup. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army. * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ** Hello Scott Bennett, I feel that any public ridiculing should be taken off this list. There are far more important things to talk about here, such as the safety of all of the German Tor exit node operators. Kasimir Gabert -- Kasimir Gabert
Looking for a 'flasher' to support me on a little flash-issue
On doing another browser check element at torcheck.xenobite.eu I've following question: Is there a 'flasher' out there, who has some time for a quickie? I need something like this getURL(calling_base_url?PHPSESSID=current_session_idFlash=1); in actionscript 1.0, then build as SWF/FLA sticked on the onLoad event or the like. Another few lines about the object placement into HTML/JavaScript would be nice too, but are not necessary, I'll figure it out! After some tries on google'ing for it I still do not know, how to build such objects without using a fee'ish Ad_be GUI... Thanks! Greets -- BlueStar88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
List of TorRaids
hello list, i have setup a Wiki page to collect information about tor and law enforcement...primarily for German Tor servers... ...but feel free to put information about other countries on this site... https://wiki.leitstelle511.net/TorRaids cheers, d
Re: Like to run TOR-Node
Am Freitag, den 14.09.2007, 20:51 +0200 schrieb Eugen Leitl: On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 07:38:33PM +0200, BlueStar88 wrote: better way (i hope). Think on professional service providers, they get the chance to *cooperate*, not just get cut off. What 'cooperation' means in detail, who knows... The 'professional service providers' bend over backwards to accomodate Big Brother's every whim. All they care is about who's going And law. There *are* providers saving IP-data only 7 days and less to obey (current) data protection laws. Their only way not to get legally sued from any party, the LEAs *and* customers. And therefore the police is often not able to get the data fast enough, because of loosing time getting the case on (there are many, thanks to eB_y), getting the clue of the IP, propose the warrant, letter running time etc. Until 2008.. Greets -- BlueStar88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Tor DIRs changed?
These URLs had listed tor nodes: http://belegost.mit.edu/tor/ http://tor.noreply.org/tor/ http://moria.mit.edu:9031/tor/ Now 1st and third are timing out and second is not giving list of nodes, but some very short info! Can you give me a list of URLs, where I can find a list of tor nodes? Thanks in advance. Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC
Re: Tor DIRs changed?
Hi, Can you give me a list of URLs, where I can find a list of tor nodes? https://torstat.xenobite.eu/ http://torstatus.blutmagie.de/ http://tns.hermetix.org/ May be, some more are online, but I use the 3 above. Greeting
Re: Tor DIRs changed?
On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 10:01:19AM -0700, Mr. Blue wrote: These URLs had listed tor nodes: http://belegost.mit.edu/tor/ http://tor.noreply.org/tor/ http://moria.mit.edu:9031/tor/ Now 1st and third are timing out and second is not giving list of nodes, but some very short info! There are 5 directory authorities. The first and third you listed above moved in May: http://archives.seul.org/or/cvs/May-2007/msg00212.html (Roger needed to relocate the computer.) The reason that none of these are giving you a list of nodes by requesting the url Tor is that you're using an obsolete format:, http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/May-2007/msg00229.html yrs, -- Nick Mathewson pgpgoluOtZc8n.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Tor DIRs changed?
On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 10:01:19AM -0700, Mr. Blue wrote: These URLs had listed tor nodes: http://belegost.mit.edu/tor/ http://tor.noreply.org/tor/ http://moria.mit.edu:9031/tor/ Now 1st and third are timing out and second is not giving list of nodes, but some very short info! There are 5 directory authorities. The first and third you listed above moved in May: http://archives.seul.org/or/cvs/May-2007/msg00212.html (Roger needed to relocate the computer.) The reason that none of these are giving you a list of nodes by requesting the url Tor is that you're using an obsolete format:, http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/May-2007/msg00229.html yrs, -- Nick Mathewson -- Ok I see, I've retreived: http://128.31.0.34:9031/tor/status/all.z In PHP, I see just some giberish data. I've tried to base64_decode it, but nada. Opening it in Notepad++ gives a clear list of nodes. What is that format? So I could see it clearly in a string in PHP too? Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/
Re: [Fwd: Re: I break the silence: My arrest]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 We operated the gwdeXmmx nodes and still a few others. * arrested No * confiscated equippment Yes * Home or office searched Yes, twice * Surveillance Likely, who knows * Case against us Several, yes Xinwen Fu wrote: A question to all Tor-operators: I'd like to do a survey about all incidents which happened to operators. Stuff like: * arrested * confiscated equippment * nastygram * surveillance * ... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG7YViOMmnRrmEoQkRAqRSAJ0QiMD7ig5yoKtrdwbhEuTaGjZ+WgCeKVj/ O2kwI+ecxpoaSXbu2xFhRvY= =7CMW -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ricky, Ricky Fitz wrote: I think there is a need to incorporate. If there is for example an incorporated society which runs some tor-nodes, police is going to confiscate the servers (which is okay), but not going to search houses from members of the incorporated society. I know from personal experience that this is not necessarily true. We had an IP under investigation. The RIPE entry showed it to be operated by a corporation. All contracts (uplink, cage, etc.) were made by the corporation. That didnt stop the police to search my personal apartment (not the corporate offices). -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG7YZEOMmnRrmEoQkRAqLNAJwLlBk0Mdhd+PuVgr7fb4aNrlmtYgCgl0iy ASFH/+8sbBn6epBtvBRi+Mg= =rOBy -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Privoxy config: Use Tor for https:, and normal for http:
So one big thing that has been discussed on the list of late is that anything sent over http: may transmit authentication cookies in the clear. I'd like to configure privoxy to assume that instead of sending all traffic over tor, or instead of forwarding based on node name, to use protocol. What I'm looking at is something like this: 1. Anything specifying https: may be safely sent over tor. 2. Anything specifying http: should not I'm now starting to track which sites I'm logged in on, by seeing which send me personal greetings, that do not support https:, and adding in do not forward these sites over tor to my privoxy config. I think of this as a start. Even with this in place, is there anything that I might be overlooking?
Tor consuming much CPU RAM (?)
Hi, i sadly have to tell you that I have to limit my server morphium to following: BandwidthRate 1000 KB BandwidthBurst 1500 KB But: Its not due to bandwith. If i increase that values, the server load raises above 1, from now 0.1 or something. I have an Intel Pentium 4 3.20GHz and 2 gigabytes of ram, so I don't understand why tor is so bad for my load. If this is a Bug, I would be glad to get an update :) If this is known (because tor needs the time for the crypto things) its okey, but i hope you understand that this slows down the network. I think there are many older machines, with much bandwith, but if the CPU cant handle the requests, tor is loosing bandwith. Best regards, morphium
Re: Tor consuming much CPU RAM (?)
On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 10:02:14PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote 0.7K bytes in 14 lines about: : I have an Intel Pentium 4 3.20GHz and 2 gigabytes of ram, so I don't understand why tor is so bad for my load. Onion routing is cryptographically intense. If you can run an oprofile on tor on your cpu, we can see what calls are consuming the most cpu. Most likely, it isn't tor but openssl. Unfortunately, there isn't much we can do about this. Thanks for running a node, everyone appreciates it. -- Andrew
CN's nodes lookin' uncool, do they?
The chinese routers daily raise and fall and their massive proportion of exit nodes looks like sort of 'work-day-behavior-of-the-exit-spy': https://tor.xenobite.eu:82/mrtg-torstat/torstat-routers-cn-day.png GMT+7 In opposite to the other major players: https://torstat.xenobite.eu/showstatistics.php (down below that page) Greets -- BlueStar88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
A Tor Typo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Color me an anal-retentive English language nazi, but the phrase Tor is not an HTTP proxy... that appears when you try to run a web browser or other program via HTTP should read: Tor is not a HTTP proxy. Correct English grammar dictates that it's the first LETTER in a word that matters, not the first SOUND. In HTTP, the article should thus be a and not an. Other than that, no major problems to report. The latest alpha seems to work well with no major resource hogging issues on Ubuntu 7.04 Edgy Eft. Ciao, Andrew -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG7ZwcgwZR2XMkZmQRAgP9AKC4f0573T6ST+PbWPLpgZKI4x1XqQCgho5T RlGlhL8TC1JdC4EWgKE1u1c= =UFPn -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: A Tor Typo
Correct English grammar dictates that it's the first LETTER in a word that matters, not the first SOUND. I suspect that you will find that this is not a 100% true for all English speaking countries and locations, and that it varies by dialect, possibly by accent/location. In any event, I was taught growing up that it is the first sound. (And I think we are sufficiently off-topic now :-)
Re: Exclude nodes from certain countries
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 08:42:32 +0100, Robert Hogan wrote: TorK allows you to do this (in a rough and ready way using the geoip database (maxmind.com) - about 9x% accurate). TorK is available only for Linux/BSD unfortunately, but you could you use the Incognito LiveCD which uses TorK as the default Tor interface. http://www.patdouble.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=11Itemid=18 http://files1.cjb.net/incognito Thanks, I'll check it out
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Re: Exclude nodes from certain countries
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:18:49 -0400 misc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 01:25:51 -0500 (CDT), Scott Bennett wrote: I'd strongly recommend that you start with the tor overview document at https://tor.eff.org/overview paying special attention to the cartoon describing how circuits are built, which should begin to straighten you out on some of the other misconceptions you've indicated regarding tor. To learn about the process in greater detail, continue reading at http://tor.eff.org/svn/trunk/doc/spec/path-spec.txt To understand how tor clients (and servers) know what choices of servers are available, you need to read the directory protocol document(s) appropriate to the version of tor you run. For 0.1.2.1[67], read http://tor.eff.org/svn/trunk/doc/spec/dir-spec-v2.txt For 0.2.0.6-alpha, read the above and http://tor.eff.org/svn/trunk/doc/spec/dir-spec.txt Thanks Scott, I understand now that Tor client downloads network-status documents with descriptors of available onion routers and then chooses the routers for building circuits from that list. I understand that tor client connects directly only to entry nodes, and never makes a direct connection with middle or exit nodes (unless they're later used as entry nodes for different circuits). Well, almost. There is a sublety there in that entry node is not exactly synonymous with entry guard. An entry node is simply the first node of a circuit and can be any tor server currently accepting connections on its ORPort. If one's torrc contains UseEntryGuards 1 or that value is allowed to default to 1, then the tor client will limit the choices for the entry node for a new circuit to tor servers marked Guard in a status document. But it sounds like you have the idea now. I understand that I can use firewall to control the entry nodes used (the firewall would prevent connecting to bad IPs, certain countries, etc). But Yes, that would work, but might be a real pain to live with because of all the delays you could encounter when tor tries to contact a server blocked by your firewall and has to wait for the timeout before trying to reach a different one. ExcludeNodes would be much faster because tor would know in advance not to bother connecting to those servers. The problem then becomes one of maintaining the list of excluded nodes. There is another option, though. You can specify a list of EntryNodes to use, as well as a list of ExitNodes in your torrc. These lists would be the pools from which servers would be chosen first for those circuit positions. If you set StrictEntryNodes 1 and StrictExitNodes 1, then those will be the only ones that can be chosen. You could choose a reasonably sized list of servers that meet your criteria for entry or exit nodes, and then just live with those, rather than trying to maintain a huge and dynamic list of nodes to exclude. I still do NOT see how Tor connections to entry nodes can be controlled with Squid. Can't help you there. I know nothing about squid. It would make sense to use Protowall (with a blocklist from bluetack.co.uk) to prevent connections to bad IP ranges. That way entry nodes run by various bad organizations will not be used. I don't know Protowall either. But I'm still left with a problem of how to avoid nodes from certain countries. What especially bothers me is when ALL THREE NODES are chosen from the same bad country. I would really like to avoid that. You don't really have to worry about the middle nodes. I hope solution for Windows will come soon. Give EntryNodes - StrictEntryNodes and ExitNodes - StrictExitNodes methods a try. If you pick, say, 25 - 50 nodes with long uptimes, you should be okay. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army. * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * **
Re: A Tor Typo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Where did you grow up? I'm from the US. Since we're talking about it, are there any active localization projects going on? Having the major Euro languages plus Mandarin Chinese would be good to start with, IMHO. ~Andrew Michael_google gmail_Gersten wrote: Correct English grammar dictates that it's the first LETTER in a word that matters, not the first SOUND. I suspect that you will find that this is not a 100% true for all English speaking countries and locations, and that it varies by dialect, possibly by accent/location. In any event, I was taught growing up that it is the first sound. (And I think we are sufficiently off-topic now :-) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG7bUhgwZR2XMkZmQRAuL9AJ971InG9L23thYjRHQ5tNr+caXWrwCgls18 urTrmgVnOKbVrj4hheVZjIs= =y1a3 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: CN's nodes lookin' uncool, do they?
On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 11:08:12PM +0200, BlueStar88 wrote: The chinese routers daily raise and fall and their massive proportion of exit nodes looks like sort of 'work-day-behavior-of-the-exit-spy': https://tor.xenobite.eu:82/mrtg-torstat/torstat-routers-cn-day.png GMT+7 Here's an alternative to the conspiracy theory: Notice that many of the China nodes have the nickname 'Unnamed'. This is what you'll get if you don't set a Nickname -- for example, if you click the turn me into a server button in Vidalia. Also, you use the default exit policy when you click that button in Vidalia. It's already been established informally through other measurements that we have tens of thousands of Tor users in China. So the alternative theory is that a slightly larger (but still quite small) percentage of Chinese users have chosen to click the button in Vidalia. In opposite to the other major players: https://torstat.xenobite.eu/showstatistics.php (down below that page) Nice stats pages! --Roger
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