Running Tor Bridges on a Chumby One
Hi, I've been talking with Andrew Huang [0] about running Tor on the new Chumby One device. It's a pretty nice device that he designed; it runs Linux and it's very hackable. He ran with the idea of putting Tor (configured as a bridge) on a the Chumby One. He wrote up how to do it here (step by step and binary builds): http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=800 If you're interested in a small box to run a bridge, I think the Chumby One looks like a great device. It's very hackable and the designer is not only a fan of Tor, he's hacking on it to make it work with the Chumby One! Awesome! Best, Jacob [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Huang signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Why governments fund TOR?
hi all, forgive me for my ignorance. may i know why governmetns fund TOR. i read 49% funds coming from government. TOR is usually considered for passing government restriction by journalists and activists. so why should governments fund this? thank you very much *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Why governments fund TOR?
arshad wrote: hi all, forgive me for my ignorance. may i know why governmetns fund TOR. i read 49% funds coming from government. TOR is usually considered for passing government restriction by journalists and activists. so why should governments fund this? I can't speak for all governments but it might be relevant to point out that onion routing started (as I understand it -- anybody, feel free to correct) as a project of the U.S. Navy and was used by the various branches of the U.S armed forces to use the Internet anonymously. Trouble was, that although their targets could not tell *exactly* who was visiting their website, they could tell it was U.S. military. So, as I understand it, they released the technology so they could hide among the civilians. Even within a particular govt you can have conflicting goals. Part may wish to prevent its citizens from being anonymous while another part may find it useful to use civilians for cover. Just my speculation ... Jim *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0
Programmer In Training wrote: I've been testing some time out changes in FF to see if there is any difference. So far I haven't seen any but I've yet to fully put it to the test (I'm having problems with pages not fully loading, mainly on techrepublic.com.com) I've sometimes wondered if some websites were terminating connections themselves wen the connection took too long. Of course, that would be the connection itself rather than setting up a circuit since the website wouldn't know about that. Jim *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Why governments fund TOR?
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 10:49:12PM +0530, arshad wrote: forgive me for my ignorance. are you having difficulties reading the website or understanding some pages, perhaps due to your native language? may i know why governmetns fund TOR. i read 49% funds coming from government. TOR is usually considered for passing government restriction by journalists and activists. so why should governments fund this? http://www.torproject.org/torusers.html.en *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0
On 12/30/2009 11:44 AM, Jim wrote: Programmer In Training wrote: I've been testing some time out changes in FF to see if there is any difference. So far I haven't seen any but I've yet to fully put it to the test (I'm having problems with pages not fully loading, mainly on techrepublic.com.com) I've sometimes wondered if some websites were terminating connections themselves wen the connection took too long. Of course, that would be the connection itself rather than setting up a circuit since the website wouldn't know about that. That is actually quite possible, if so that's bad web server setup, in my opinion. I'll email TR's webmaster(s) to see if they can shed any light on that. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Why governments fund TOR?
may i know why governmetns fund TOR. i read 49% funds coming from government. TOR is usually considered for passing government restriction by journalists and activists. so why should governments fund this? Consider that many of the nodes are run by public Universities, which are partially funded by their respective states. Cheers, Michael Holstein Cleveland State University *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Why governments fund TOR?
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 10:39:56AM -0700, Jim wrote: arshad wrote: hi all, forgive me for my ignorance. may i know why governmetns fund TOR. i read 49% funds coming from government. TOR is usually considered for passing government restriction by journalists and activists. so why should governments fund this? I can't speak for all governments but it might be relevant to point out that onion routing started (as I understand it -- anybody, feel free to correct) as a project of the U.S. Navy and was used by the various branches of the U.S armed forces to use the Internet anonymously. Trouble was, that although their targets could not tell *exactly* who was visiting their website, they could tell it was U.S. military. So, as I understand it, they released the technology so they could hide among the civilians. Even within a particular govt you can have conflicting goals. Part may wish to prevent its citizens from being anonymous while another part may find it useful to use civilians for cover. Just my speculation ... I'm not speaking for any government, including my employer or my funders, but I can say something about why we, the inventors of onion routing and designers of Tor, did what we did. We were as explicit as possible as to what we intended and why with funders, management and others. Presumably some of it was agreeable since we received support. The above is largely correct, so I am only clarifying where I thought there was room for misinterpretation. The primary purpose for which we proposed and designed onion routing networks (including Tor, which started life in some of my NRL onion routing projects) was to separate identification from routing, as we note in the first onion routing publication Hiding Routing Information in 1996 and at www.onion-router.net. Jim's speculation on the above cited motivation was not something we ran across through experience but rather a design motivation from the very beginning. We argued fifteen years ago that to protect private traffic when going to and from a public network you needed to carry traffic for others not just yourself, which meant that they had to trust the network, which meant that you had to diffuse trust by letting others run part of the infrastructure and that you had to let them see the code. I think this is essentially stated in our early onion routing publications. This was also part of the reason we sought and received our first publication release for public distribution of onion routing code in 1996. We were open source before that phrase was in general use. My comments apply only to the funding I received and the motivations we had. Other later goals of, e.g., censorship resistance and other funding of Tor I have not been part of and should let others comment. HTH, Paul *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Why governments fund TOR?
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Paul Syverson syver...@itd.nrl.navy.milwrote: On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 10:39:56AM -0700, Jim wrote: arshad wrote: hi all, forgive me for my ignorance. may i know why governmetns fund TOR. i read 49% funds coming from government. TOR is usually considered for passing government restriction by journalists and activists. so why should governments fund this? I can't speak for all governments but it might be relevant to point out that onion routing started (as I understand it -- anybody, feel free to correct) as a project of the U.S. Navy and was used by the various branches of the U.S armed forces to use the Internet anonymously. Trouble was, that although their targets could not tell *exactly* who was visiting their website, they could tell it was U.S. military. So, as I understand it, they released the technology so they could hide among the civilians. Even within a particular govt you can have conflicting goals. Part may wish to prevent its citizens from being anonymous while another part may find it useful to use civilians for cover. Just my speculation ... I'm not speaking for any government, including my employer or my funders, but I can say something about why we, the inventors of onion routing and designers of Tor, did what we did. We were as explicit as possible as to what we intended and why with funders, management and others. Presumably some of it was agreeable since we received support. The above is largely correct, so I am only clarifying where I thought there was room for misinterpretation. The primary purpose for which we proposed and designed onion routing networks (including Tor, which started life in some of my NRL onion routing projects) was to separate identification from routing, as we note in the first onion routing publication Hiding Routing Information in 1996 and at www.onion-router.net. Jim's speculation on the above cited motivation was not something we ran across through experience but rather a design motivation from the very beginning. We argued fifteen years ago that to protect private traffic when going to and from a public network you needed to carry traffic for others not just yourself, which meant that they had to trust the network, which meant that you had to diffuse trust by letting others run part of the infrastructure and that you had to let them see the code. I think this is essentially stated in our early onion routing publications. This was also part of the reason we sought and received our first publication release for public distribution of onion routing code in 1996. We were open source before that phrase was in general use. My comments apply only to the funding I received and the motivations we had. Other later goals of, e.g., censorship resistance and other funding of Tor I have not been part of and should let others comment. HTH, Paul *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ I like hearing the history of this project, and wouldn't mind hearing more about the challenges you faced back then, who the challengers were, and what their point of view and/or concerns were. Paul, thank you for all your hard work! - K
trouble upgrading TOR, and question regarding situation in China
When I try to install the new version of TOR I get the error message: Error opening file for writing: C:\Program Files\Vidalia Bundle\Vidalia\vidalia.exe I was wondering if anyone had any idea why that would be happening. Also, I had a question regarding a query of a friend. I showed him how to use TOR in orer to get access to Facebook in China and he says that no longer works. Is it impossible to use TOR in China at the moment, or would there be some way of fixing that? __ See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies.yahoo.com/session-times/
Re: trouble upgrading TOR, and question regarding situation in China
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 04:10:21PM -0800, rupertmccal...@yahoo.com wrote 2.1K bytes in 36 lines about: : When I try to install the new version of TOR I get the error message: : : Error opening file for writing: : : C:\Program Files\Vidalia Bundle\Vidalia\vidalia.exe The typical causes are: 1) Exit from a running Vidalia. 2) you don't have permission (non-admin account). 3) out of disk space. : Also, I had a question regarding a query of a friend. I showed him how :to use TOR in orer to get access to Facebook in China and he says that :no longer works. Is it impossible to use TOR in China at the moment, :or would there be some way of fixing that? China has been blocking the list of public relays by IP address since September 25. They appear to have updated the list of public relays around December 24th. Look into using bridges in China, tor still works that way. -- Andrew Lewman The Tor Project pgp 0x31B0974B Website: https://torproject.org/ Blog: https://blog.torproject.org/ Identi.ca: torproject *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Why governments fund TOR?
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 20:10 -0500, and...@torproject.org wrote: On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 10:49:12PM +0530, arsha...@gmail.com wrote 0.5K bytes in 13 lines about: : may i know why governmetns fund TOR. i read 49% funds coming from : government. TOR is usually considered for passing government restriction : by journalists and activists. so why should governments fund this? Paul's already answered about how Tor and onion routing was started, so I'll skip that bit. Someone's already pointed you at the torusers page, so I'll skip that too. Governments fund tor to: - promote democracy - protect their agents doing sting operations or investigations - promote free speech where it doesn't exist - protect whistleblowers - provide freedom of access to an unfiltered internet - protect their soldiers in hostile environments - protect their employees identity while working online People in governments use tor for the same reason you use it. Thank you for all who replied for this topic. *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
RE: trouble upgrading TOR, and question regarding situation in China
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:59:26 -0500 From: and...@torproject.org To: or-talk@freehaven.net Subject: Re: trouble upgrading TOR, and question regarding situation in China China has been blocking the list of public relays by IP address since September 25. They appear to have updated the list of public relays around December 24th. Look into using bridges in China, tor still works that way. In September we could check if we were blacklisted by trying to access baidu.com . Is that still the case? GD _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/
