Re: Annoying loop situation
On Friday 21 August 2009 23:07:22 downie - wrote: On 08/21/2009 10:52 AM, Bob Williams wrote: I have both privoxy and torbutton installed. When I setup Firefox's proxy settings to use http and ssl through 127.0.0.1 port 8118 and SOCKS host 127.0.0.1 port 9050, torbutton enables itself. If I then disable torbutton (I'm only really interested in running a tor relay) the Firefox settings revert to 'No proxy'. -- Bob Isn't there the additional complication that if you want to use Privoxy without Tor, you have to change the Privoxy config file as well? I don't think Torbutton can do that for you. In what way? The uncommented lines in my privoxy config file are: user-manual /usr/share/doc/packages/privoxy-doc/source/user-manual trust-info-url http://www.example.com/why_we_block.html trust-info-url http://www.example.com/what_we_allow.html proxy-info-url http://www.example.com/proxy-service.html confdir /etc/privoxy logdir /var/log/privoxy actionsfile standard.action # Internal purpose, recommended actionsfile default.action # Main actions file actionsfile user.action # User customizations filterfile default.filter filterfile user.filter # User customizations logfile logfile debug 4096 # Startup banner and warnings debug 8192 # Non-fatal errors listen-address 127.0.0.1:8118 toggle 1 enable-edit-actions 1 enforce-blocks 0 buffer-limit 4096 forward 192.168.*.*/ . forward-socks4a / 127.0.0.1:9050 . forward-socks5 / 127.0.0.1:9050 . allow-cgi-request-crunching 0 -- Bob
Re: Annoying loop situation
On Friday 21 August 2009 22:59:01 Freemor wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:33:07 +0100 Bob Williams secur...@barrowhillfarm.org.uk wrote: At this point, http://config.privoxy.org/ shows me I'm that privoxy is enabled, but if I then disable torbutton, I also lose my privoxy settings, and it reverts to 'No proxy.' i had this same problem once ages ago.. To fix it I had to un-install tor button. go into preferences and set the networking to have nothing in the proxy settings. (not just hitting the direct connection but actually blanking all the fields first) save those settings. re-install tor button. Hope this helps, Freemor Seemed to me atthe time what was happening is that TorButton seemed to store how you proxy settings were set when it was installed.. changing them after that wasn't picked up.. the only way to get to stored Tor with Torbutton off settings out was to uninstall tor button so it would pick up the blank settings on the re-install. This looks interesting. I shall give it a try. So, I uninstall torbutton, clear my proxy settings, re-install torbutton, select Preferences on the torbutton right click menu and choose 'Use recommended settings for my version of Firefox [Use Privoxy]? And this will leave privoxy active whether or not I'm enabling torbutton? -- Bob
RE: Annoying loop situation
From: secur...@barrowhillfarm.org.uk To: or-t...@seul.org Subject: Re: Annoying loop situation Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 08:46:57 +0100 On Friday 21 August 2009 23:07:22 downie - wrote: On 08/21/2009 10:52 AM, Bob Williams wrote: I have both privoxy and torbutton installed. When I setup Firefox's proxy settings to use http and ssl through 127.0.0.1 port 8118 and SOCKS host 127.0.0.1 port 9050, torbutton enables itself. If I then disable torbutton (I'm only really interested in running a tor relay) the Firefox settings revert to 'No proxy'. -- Bob Isn't there the additional complication that if you want to use Privoxy without Tor, you have to change the Privoxy config file as well? I don't think Torbutton can do that for you. In what way? [edit] forward-socks4a / 127.0.0.1:9050 . forward-socks5/ 127.0.0.1:9050 . As I understand it (Library/Privoxy/user-manual/config.html Section 7.5.2) those lines forward all requests from Privoxy through Tor: if you want Privoxy filtering without using Tor in client mode, you have to comment those lines out. Then if at some point you *do* want to use Tor in client mode (still with Privoxy), you have to reinstate them. Wiser heads may need to confirm this... GD _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009
Re: Annoying loop situation
On Saturday 22 August 2009 10:33:01 downie - wrote: From: secur...@barrowhillfarm.org.uk To: or-t...@seul.org Subject: Re: Annoying loop situation Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 08:46:57 +0100 On Friday 21 August 2009 23:07:22 downie - wrote: On 08/21/2009 10:52 AM, Bob Williams wrote: I have both privoxy and torbutton installed. When I setup Firefox's proxy settings to use http and ssl through 127.0.0.1 port 8118 and SOCKS host 127.0.0.1 port 9050, torbutton enables itself. If I then disable torbutton (I'm only really interested in running a tor relay) the Firefox settings revert to 'No proxy'. -- Bob Isn't there the additional complication that if you want to use Privoxy without Tor, you have to change the Privoxy config file as well? I don't think Torbutton can do that for you. In what way? [edit] forward-socks4a / 127.0.0.1:9050 . forward-socks5 / 127.0.0.1:9050 . As I understand it (Library/Privoxy/user-manual/config.html Section 7.5.2) those lines forward all requests from Privoxy through Tor: if you want Privoxy filtering without using Tor in client mode, you have to comment those lines out. Then if at some point you *do* want to use Tor in client mode (still with Privoxy), you have to reinstate them. Wiser heads may need to confirm this... GD That makes sense. It may be that I'll have to settle for not using privoxy for my normal browsing. My main 'tor' aim is to provide a relay. If I browse with torbutton enabled, I get funny results for Google searches, in languages that depend on the location of the exit node ;) -- Bob
Re: Annoying loop situation
On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:27:22 +0100 Bob Williams secur...@barrowhillfarm.org.uk wrote: On Saturday 22 August 2009 10:33:01 downie - wrote: From: secur...@barrowhillfarm.org.uk [superfluous headers deleted --SB] On Friday 21 August 2009 23:07:22 downie - wrote: On 08/21/2009 10:52 AM, Bob Williams wrote: I have both privoxy and torbutton installed. When I setup Firefox's proxy settings to use http and ssl through 127.0.0.1 port 8118 and SOCKS host 127.0.0.1 port 9050, torbutton enables itself. If I then disable torbutton (I'm only really interested in running a tor relay) the Firefox settings revert to 'No proxy'. -- Bob Isn't there the additional complication that if you want to use Privoxy without Tor, you have to change the Privoxy config file as well? I don't think Torbutton can do that for you. In what way? [edit] forward-socks4a/ 127.0.0.1:9050 . forward-socks5 / 127.0.0.1:9050 . As I understand it (Library/Privoxy/user-manual/config.html Section 7.5.2) those lines forward all requests from Privoxy through Tor: if you want Privoxy filtering without using Tor in client mode, you have to comment those lines out. Then if at some point you *do* want to use Tor in client mode (still with Privoxy), you have to reinstate them. Wiser heads may need to confirm this... GD That makes sense. It may be that I'll have to settle for not using privoxy for my normal browsing. My main 'tor' aim is to provide a relay. If I browse with torbutton enabled, I get funny results for Google searches, in languages that depend on the location of the exit node ;) You could run two instances of privoxy if you like, each with its own, separate configuration file, one of which forwards everything to tor's SOCKS port and the other of which does not. Then use switchproxy or foxyproxy or some other similar plug-in to switch between the two instances of privoxy. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army. * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * **
Re: Annoying loop situation
Bob Williams wrote: The uncommented lines in my privoxy config file are: forward 192.168.*.*/ . forward-socks4a / 127.0.0.1:9050 . forward-socks5/ 127.0.0.1:9050 . To use privoxy without Tor you can add the following line BELOW the 'forward-socks*' lines: forward/. Last match wins, see also: http://www.privoxy.org/user-manual/config.html#FORWARDING
Re: Annoying loop situation
On Saturday 22 August 2009 14:59:15 Gitano wrote: Bob Williams wrote: The uncommented lines in my privoxy config file are: forward 192.168.*.*/ . forward-socks4a / 127.0.0.1:9050 . forward-socks5 / 127.0.0.1:9050 . To use privoxy without Tor you can add the following line BELOW the 'forward-socks*' lines: forward/. Last match wins, see also: http://www.privoxy.org/user-manual/config.html#FORWARDING The effect of this would be the same as NOT having the forward-socks* lines, wouldn't it? i.e. leaving forwarding unset? -- Bob
Re: Annoying loop situation
Bob Williams wrote: To use privoxy without Tor you can add the following line BELOW the 'forward-socks*' lines: forward/. Last match wins, see also: http://www.privoxy.org/user-manual/config.html#FORWARDING The effect of this would be the same as NOT having the forward-socks* lines, wouldn't it? i.e. leaving forwarding unset? Yes, but this additional line leaves the remaining settings of Privoxy/TorButton unchanged. I don't know the behavior of TorButton without the 'forward-socks*' lines in privoxy.conf.
Re: Annoying loop situation
On 08/21/2009 10:52 AM, Bob Williams wrote: I have both privoxy and torbutton installed. When I setup Firefox's proxy settings to use http and ssl through 127.0.0.1 port 8118 and SOCKS host 127.0.0.1 port 9050, torbutton enables itself. If I then disable torbutton (I'm only really interested in running a tor relay) the Firefox settings revert to 'No proxy'. You probably want to disable torbutton and configure your non-tor proxy. Then when you click to enable torbutton, your tor settings are enabled. When you disable torbutton, your privoxy configuration is still intact. -- Andrew Lewman The Tor Project pgp 0x31B0974B Website: https://torproject.org/ Blog: https://blog.torproject.org/ Identi.ca: torproject
Re: Annoying loop situation
On Friday 21 August 2009 20:53:22 Andrew Lewman wrote: On 08/21/2009 10:52 AM, Bob Williams wrote: I have both privoxy and torbutton installed. When I setup Firefox's proxy settings to use http and ssl through 127.0.0.1 port 8118 and SOCKS host 127.0.0.1 port 9050, torbutton enables itself. If I then disable torbutton (I'm only really interested in running a tor relay) the Firefox settings revert to 'No proxy'. You probably want to disable torbutton and configure your non-tor proxy. Then when you click to enable torbutton, your tor settings are enabled. When you disable torbutton, your privoxy configuration is still intact. Well, that's the odd thing. I start with torbutton disabled (red message on the Firefox status bar). I then go to Firefox Edit Preferences Network Settings and select Manual Proxy Configuration. (I notice that it tells me to Disable Torbutton to change these settings, but it's already disabled). I select 127.0.0.1 port 8118 for http and ssl, and port 9050 for socks. When I click OK, Torbutton becomes enabled :( At this point, http://config.privoxy.org/ shows me I'm that privoxy is enabled, but if I then disable torbutton, I also lose my privoxy settings, and it reverts to 'No proxy.' -- Bob
Re: Annoying loop situation
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:33:07 +0100 Bob Williams secur...@barrowhillfarm.org.uk wrote: At this point, http://config.privoxy.org/ shows me I'm that privoxy is enabled, but if I then disable torbutton, I also lose my privoxy settings, and it reverts to 'No proxy.' i had this same problem once ages ago.. To fix it I had to un-install tor button. go into preferences and set the networking to have nothing in the proxy settings. (not just hitting the direct connection but actually blanking all the fields first) save those settings. re-install tor button. Hope this helps, Freemor Seemed to me atthe time what was happening is that TorButton seemed to store how you proxy settings were set when it was installed.. changing them after that wasn't picked up.. the only way to get to stored Tor with Torbutton off settings out was to uninstall tor button so it would pick up the blank settings on the re-install. -- free...@fastmail.fm free...@gmail.com This e-mail has been digitally signed with GnuPG - ( http://gnupg.org/ ) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
RE: Annoying loop situation
On 08/21/2009 10:52 AM, Bob Williams wrote: I have both privoxy and torbutton installed. When I setup Firefox's proxy settings to use http and ssl through 127.0.0.1 port 8118 and SOCKS host 127.0.0.1 port 9050, torbutton enables itself. If I then disable torbutton (I'm only really interested in running a tor relay) the Firefox settings revert to 'No proxy'. -- Bob Isn't there the additional complication that if you want to use Privoxy without Tor, you have to change the Privoxy config file as well? I don't think Torbutton can do that for you. GD _ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009
Re: Annoying loop situation
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:33:07PM +0100, Bob Williams wrote: You probably want to disable torbutton and configure your non-tor proxy. Then when you click to enable torbutton, your tor settings are enabled. When you disable torbutton, your privoxy configuration is still intact. Well, that's the odd thing. I start with torbutton disabled (red message on the Firefox status bar). I then go to Firefox Edit Preferences Network Settings and select Manual Proxy Configuration. (I notice that it tells me to Disable Torbutton to change these settings, but it's already disabled). I select 127.0.0.1 port 8118 for http and ssl, and port 9050 for socks. When I click OK, Torbutton becomes enabled :( That's because Torbutton watches your proxy settings and tries to make sure that whatever status it's displaying matches your current proxy settings. That is, if anything ever changes your proxy settings so your Firefox is now configured to use the settings that Torbutton would use when you click 'enable', then Torbutton will change status to show you that your proxy settings are pointing to Tor. It looks like you're using Torbutton to point to Privoxy, but you're using Privoxy directly rather than pointing it into Tor. That's fine (as long as you know what you're doing), but Torbutton can't tell the difference. Hm. Back in the day when Torbutton was just a proxy toggler, it made a lot of sense to have Torbutton update its status to reflect what your proxy settings 'really' are. But now that Torbutton does all sorts of other application-level things, it is plausible that you might want to have your proxy settings set up in a way that looks identical to Tor, yet you don't want the other application-level protections that Torbutton adds. But then, isn't this a really special case? For example, if you run your Privoxy on a different port, then you won't confuse Torbutton. --Roger
Re: Annoying loop situation
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:16:39 -0400 Roger Dingledine a...@mit.edu wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:33:07PM +0100, Bob Williams wrote: You probably want to disable torbutton and configure your non-tor proxy. Then when you click to enable torbutton, your tor settings are enabled. When you disable torbutton, your privoxy configuration is still intact. Well, that's the odd thing. I start with torbutton disabled (red message on the Firefox status bar). I then go to Firefox Edit Preferences Network Settings and select Manual Proxy Configuration. (I notice that it tells me to Disable Torbutton to change these settings, but it's already disabled). I select 127.0.0.1 port 8118 for http and ssl, and port 9050 for socks. When I click OK, Torbutton becomes enabled :( That's because Torbutton watches your proxy settings and tries to make sure that whatever status it's displaying matches your current proxy settings. That is, if anything ever changes your proxy settings so your Firefox is now configured to use the settings that Torbutton would use when you click 'enable', then Torbutton will change status to show you that your proxy settings are pointing to Tor. It looks like you're using Torbutton to point to Privoxy, but you're using Privoxy directly rather than pointing it into Tor. That's fine (as long as you know what you're doing), but Torbutton can't tell the difference. Hm. Back in the day when Torbutton was just a proxy toggler, it made a lot of sense to have Torbutton update its status to reflect what your proxy settings 'really' are. But now that Torbutton does all sorts of other application-level things, it is plausible that you might want to have your proxy settings set up in a way that looks identical to Tor, yet you don't want the other application-level protections that Torbutton adds. But then, isn't this a really special case? For example, if you run your Privoxy on a different port, then you won't confuse Torbutton. Bob might try adding another plug-in to firefox, say, switchproxy or foxyproxy. (I think there's at least one other around, too, but I don't recall its name.) Having another plug-in that is really dedicated just to choosing which proxy configuration should be active at the moment might help him get around some of the problem. These plug-ins also allow the user to set up a variety of proxies/proxy configurations to choose from while using firefox. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army. * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * **
