Re: Arrested/surveillance/etc Tor-operators (was: [Fwd: Re: I break the silence: My arrest])
Hi! On 9/18/07, xiando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A question to all Tor-operators: > > I'd like to do a survey about all incidents which happened to > > operators. Stuff like: > > > > * arrested > > * confiscated equippment > > * nastygram > > * surveillance > > * ... > > > > What would be possible other questions/point in the survey? > > I was put under surveillance and tortured by the Nowegian "Security" Police. > Note that this is why I now run Tor-servers, not the other way around (I just > assumed it would be a good thing to include in the survey). What does torture mean in your case? Alex. -- "I am tired of all this sort of thing called science here... We have spent millions in that sort of thing for the last few years, and it is time it should be stopped." -- Simon Cameron, U.S. Senator, on the Smithsonian Institution, 1901. .
Re: Arrested/surveillance/etc Tor-operators (was: [Fwd: Re: I break the silence: My arrest])
> A question to all Tor-operators: > I'd like to do a survey about all incidents which happened to > operators. Stuff like: > > * arrested > * confiscated equippment > * nastygram > * surveillance > * ... > > What would be possible other questions/point in the survey? I was put under surveillance and tortured by the Nowegian "Security" Police. Note that this is why I now run Tor-servers, not the other way around (I just assumed it would be a good thing to include in the survey).
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ricky, Ricky Fitz wrote: > I think there is a need to incorporate. If there is for example an > incorporated society which runs some tor-nodes, police is going to > confiscate the servers (which is okay), but not going to search houses > from members of the incorporated society. I know from personal experience that this is not necessarily true. We had an IP under investigation. The RIPE entry showed it to be operated by a corporation. All contracts (uplink, cage, etc.) were made by the corporation. That didnt stop the police to search my personal apartment (not the corporate offices). -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG7YZEOMmnRrmEoQkRAqLNAJwLlBk0Mdhd+PuVgr7fb4aNrlmtYgCgl0iy ASFH/+8sbBn6epBtvBRi+Mg= =rOBy -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Fwd: Re: I break the silence: My arrest]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 We operated the gwdeXmmx nodes and still a few others. * arrested No * confiscated equippment Yes * Home or office searched Yes, twice * Surveillance Likely, who knows * Case against us Several, yes Xinwen Fu wrote: > A question to all Tor-operators: > I'd like to do a survey about all incidents which happened to > operators. Stuff like: > > * arrested > * confiscated equippment > * nastygram > * surveillance > * ... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG7YViOMmnRrmEoQkRAqRSAJ0QiMD7ig5yoKtrdwbhEuTaGjZ+WgCeKVj/ O2kwI+ecxpoaSXbu2xFhRvY= =7CMW -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
On 9/16/07, Scott Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:44:21 -0400 "Ringo Kamens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > claimed: > > >I'm using gmail which doesn't give me an option unless I'm using a pop3 > >client. > >Comrade Ringo Kamens > > See evidence that others manage somehow below. And couldn't you use a > pop3s client instead? Encrypted links are the way, you know. > > > >On 9/16/07, Scott Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:06:25 -0400 "Ringo Kamens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> still didn't get it: > >> > >> >I know they aren't directly related, but it could also help to involve > >> >*the unions* because they have a lot of power. At least in the US. > >> >Unfortunately I just started school and I have very little time on my > >> >hands so I can't directly help with this project much, even though I > >> >was working 10 hours a day with them before, but you should make a > >> >post to Binary Freedom (the discussion list). People there will > >> >certainly help you. They are an advocacy group for binary freedoms > >> >that participate in a lot of direct action and they can certainly help > >> >your cause. We have troops on the ground in the UK, but not sure about > >> >Germany. > >> >Comrade Ringo Kamens > >> > [snipped] > ] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] /etc]$ /usr/local/diablo-jdk1.5.0/jre/bin/java -version > ]/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib/libthr.so: version LIBTHREAD_1_0 > ]required by /usr/local/diablo-jdk1.5.0/jre/bin/java not found > ] > ]I am not sure what is the correct way to fix this. > ] > ]Jiawei > ] > ]-- > ]"If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, > ]then to the end user it's a duck, and end users have made it pretty > ]clear they want a duck; whether the duck drinks hot chocolate or > ]coffee is irrelevant." > ] > ] > ]-- > > So apparently others with gmail.com accounts manage to post correctly. > Unless there is something unusual about your individual account, please > learn to use your email interface and editor(s). Up until now, it has > been a pain to follow any thread to which you have posted a followup. > > > Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG > ** > * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * > ** > * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * > * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * > * -- a standing army." * > *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * > ** > Hello Scott Bennett, I feel that any public ridiculing should be taken off this list. There are far more important things to talk about here, such as the safety of all of the German Tor exit node operators. Kasimir Gabert -- Kasimir Gabert
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
Ringo Kamens wrote: I'm using gmail which doesn't give me an option unless I'm using a pop3 client. Comrade Ringo Kamens When you hit reply. Your cursor is at the top of the message. There's nothing stopping you moving the cursor down. In fact, a quick google shows that if you're using Firefox, there's a Greasemonkey script which does this for you: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/8041 Mike
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
Am Sonntag, den 16.09.2007, 08:59 -0500 schrieb Scott Bennett: > On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:44:21 -0400 "Ringo Kamens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > claimed: > > >I'm using gmail which doesn't give me an option unless I'm using a pop3 > >client. > >Comrade Ringo Kamens > Here's a fairly recent posting to the freebsd-ports list from someone > at a gmail.com account. I've indented with ']' in this case. [...] > So apparently others with gmail.com accounts manage to post correctly. > Unless there is something unusual about your individual account, please > learn to use your email interface and editor(s). Up until now, it has > been a pain to follow any thread to which you have posted a followup. I can follow his posts with ease. Maybe you should change your mail reader? ;-) I've understood him like this: He's using the webinterface at gmail, *not* a POP3/s client and maybe gmail handles it like this. Btw: And maybe you should place such things more gently by private mail. Greets -- BlueStar88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:44:21 -0400 "Ringo Kamens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> claimed: >I'm using gmail which doesn't give me an option unless I'm using a pop3 client. >Comrade Ringo Kamens See evidence that others manage somehow below. And couldn't you use a pop3s client instead? Encrypted links are the way, you know. > >On 9/16/07, Scott Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:06:25 -0400 "Ringo Kamens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> still didn't get it: >> >> >I know they aren't directly related, but it could also help to involve >> >*the unions* because they have a lot of power. At least in the US. >> >Unfortunately I just started school and I have very little time on my >> >hands so I can't directly help with this project much, even though I >> >was working 10 hours a day with them before, but you should make a >> >post to Binary Freedom (the discussion list). People there will >> >certainly help you. They are an advocacy group for binary freedoms >> >that participate in a lot of direct action and they can certainly help >> >your cause. We have troops on the ground in the UK, but not sure about >> >Germany. >> >Comrade Ringo Kamens >> > >> >On 9/16/07, Scott Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:08:27 +0200 Thomas Hluchnik >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >Am Sonntag, 16. September 2007 07:41 schrieb Martin Senftleben: >> >> > >> >> >Hello, >> >> >> >> Please get with the program. This is getting to be a real drag. See >> >> below. >> >> > >> >> >can you please give some more info about that? I am just thinkinking >> >> >about= >> >> >=20 >> >> >becoming member of a association and let my two tor nodes register as >> >> >from= >> >> >=20 >> >> >that association. I have the luck that my home was not yet searched by >> >> >any= >> >> >=20 >> >> >technical incompetent police, but who knows... >> >> > >> >> >What about the "Humanistische Union"? Do they have tor nodes? Is there >> >> >anyb= >> >> >ody=20 >> >> >of them in this thread? Would like to hear if the HU is interested of >> >> >getti= >> >> >mg=20 >> >> >members with tor nodes as entrance gift. >> >> > >> >> >What I definitely NOT like is giving up my help for the tor project. In >> >> >tim= >> >> >es=20 >> >> >like these modern inquisition we have to resist, but have to find ways >> >> >to=20 >> >> >protect ourselves. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> I am currently into registering an association that was founded more=20 >> >> >> than a hundred years ago - that is quite some work, but manageable.=20 >> >> >> I find the thought to found an association quite intriguing,=20 >> >> >> particularly for Germany, where the members of a registered=20 >> >> >> association (eingetragener Verein) would be protected against legal=20 >> >> >> prosecution. The association could act as contract partners with the=20 >> >> >> ISPs, and as that run Tor nodes which are managed by its members.=20 >> >> >>=20 >> >> >> BTW, one such node has just been set up which is legally registered=20 >> >> >> with an association in Germany and run by a previous Tor-node admin=20 >> >> >> who has also been harassed by the police. But I don't think they >> >> >> will=20 >> >> >> be setting up more nodes. >> >> >> >> A: It makes it hard to follow and is thus inconsiderate. >> >> B: >Why not? >> >> A>> Once again, Do NOT TOP-POST!!! >> >> Attention "Comrade Ringo Kamens": Please read the above!!! >> Here's a fairly recent posting to the freebsd-ports list from someone at a gmail.com account. I've indented with ']' in this case. ]Message: 3 ]Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:21:47 +0800 ]From: "Jiawei Ye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]Subject: Re: compat-6x does not work when kernel has NO_KSE ]To: "Kris Kennaway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], freebsd ports <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]Message-ID: ] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 ] ]On 9/12/07, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ]> ]> How does symbol versioning affect this? Are you saying that libmap no ]> longer works with pre-7 libraries? ]> ]> Kris ]> ]This is what happens when I try to run diablo-jdk15 on a ]symbol-versioned -current with NO_KSE kernel. ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/ports/java/diablo-jdk15]$ ]/usr/local/diablo-jdk1.5.0/jre/bin/java -version ]Fatal error 'kse_create() failed ]' at line 444 in file /usr/src/lib/libpthread/thread/thr_kern.c (errno = 2) ] ]So I added this to /etc/libmap.conf (this will use libthr.so.3) ] ][/usr/local/diablo-jdk1.5.0/jre/bin/java] ]libpthread.so.2 libthr.so ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] /etc]$ /usr/local/diablo-jdk1.5.0/jre/bin/java -version ]/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib/libthr.so: version LIBTHREAD_1_0 ]required by /usr/local/diablo-jdk1.5.0/jre/bin/java not found ] ]I am not sure what is the correct way to fix this. ] ]Jiawei ] ]-- ]"If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, ]then to the end user it's
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
I'm using gmail which doesn't give me an option unless I'm using a pop3 client. Comrade Ringo Kamens On 9/16/07, Scott Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:06:25 -0400 "Ringo Kamens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > still didn't get it: > > >I know they aren't directly related, but it could also help to involve > >*the unions* because they have a lot of power. At least in the US. > >Unfortunately I just started school and I have very little time on my > >hands so I can't directly help with this project much, even though I > >was working 10 hours a day with them before, but you should make a > >post to Binary Freedom (the discussion list). People there will > >certainly help you. They are an advocacy group for binary freedoms > >that participate in a lot of direct action and they can certainly help > >your cause. We have troops on the ground in the UK, but not sure about > >Germany. > >Comrade Ringo Kamens > > > >On 9/16/07, Scott Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:08:27 +0200 Thomas Hluchnik > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >Am Sonntag, 16. September 2007 07:41 schrieb Martin Senftleben: > >> > > >> >Hello, > >> > >> Please get with the program. This is getting to be a real drag. See > >> below. > >> > > >> >can you please give some more info about that? I am just thinkinking > >> >about= > >> >=20 > >> >becoming member of a association and let my two tor nodes register as > >> >from= > >> >=20 > >> >that association. I have the luck that my home was not yet searched by > >> >any= > >> >=20 > >> >technical incompetent police, but who knows... > >> > > >> >What about the "Humanistische Union"? Do they have tor nodes? Is there > >> >anyb= > >> >ody=20 > >> >of them in this thread? Would like to hear if the HU is interested of > >> >getti= > >> >mg=20 > >> >members with tor nodes as entrance gift. > >> > > >> >What I definitely NOT like is giving up my help for the tor project. In > >> >tim= > >> >es=20 > >> >like these modern inquisition we have to resist, but have to find ways > >> >to=20 > >> >protect ourselves. > >> > > >> > > >> >> I am currently into registering an association that was founded more=20 > >> >> than a hundred years ago - that is quite some work, but manageable.=20 > >> >> I find the thought to found an association quite intriguing,=20 > >> >> particularly for Germany, where the members of a registered=20 > >> >> association (eingetragener Verein) would be protected against legal=20 > >> >> prosecution. The association could act as contract partners with the=20 > >> >> ISPs, and as that run Tor nodes which are managed by its members.=20 > >> >>=20 > >> >> BTW, one such node has just been set up which is legally registered=20 > >> >> with an association in Germany and run by a previous Tor-node admin=20 > >> >> who has also been harassed by the police. But I don't think they will=20 > >> >> be setting up more nodes. > >> > >> A: It makes it hard to follow and is thus inconsiderate. > >> B: >Why not? > >> A>> Once again, Do NOT TOP-POST!!! > > Attention "Comrade Ringo Kamens": Please read the above!!! > > > Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG > ** > * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * > ** > * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * > * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * > * -- a standing army." * > *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * > ** >
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:06:25 -0400 "Ringo Kamens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> still didn't get it: >I know they aren't directly related, but it could also help to involve >*the unions* because they have a lot of power. At least in the US. >Unfortunately I just started school and I have very little time on my >hands so I can't directly help with this project much, even though I >was working 10 hours a day with them before, but you should make a >post to Binary Freedom (the discussion list). People there will >certainly help you. They are an advocacy group for binary freedoms >that participate in a lot of direct action and they can certainly help >your cause. We have troops on the ground in the UK, but not sure about >Germany. >Comrade Ringo Kamens > >On 9/16/07, Scott Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:08:27 +0200 Thomas Hluchnik >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >Am Sonntag, 16. September 2007 07:41 schrieb Martin Senftleben: >> > >> >Hello, >> >> Please get with the program. This is getting to be a real drag. See >> below. >> > >> >can you please give some more info about that? I am just thinkinking about= >> >=20 >> >becoming member of a association and let my two tor nodes register as from= >> >=20 >> >that association. I have the luck that my home was not yet searched by any= >> >=20 >> >technical incompetent police, but who knows... >> > >> >What about the "Humanistische Union"? Do they have tor nodes? Is there anyb= >> >ody=20 >> >of them in this thread? Would like to hear if the HU is interested of getti= >> >mg=20 >> >members with tor nodes as entrance gift. >> > >> >What I definitely NOT like is giving up my help for the tor project. In tim= >> >es=20 >> >like these modern inquisition we have to resist, but have to find ways to=20 >> >protect ourselves. >> > >> > >> >> I am currently into registering an association that was founded more=20 >> >> than a hundred years ago - that is quite some work, but manageable.=20 >> >> I find the thought to found an association quite intriguing,=20 >> >> particularly for Germany, where the members of a registered=20 >> >> association (eingetragener Verein) would be protected against legal=20 >> >> prosecution. The association could act as contract partners with the=20 >> >> ISPs, and as that run Tor nodes which are managed by its members.=20 >> >>=20 >> >> BTW, one such node has just been set up which is legally registered=20 >> >> with an association in Germany and run by a previous Tor-node admin=20 >> >> who has also been harassed by the police. But I don't think they will=20 >> >> be setting up more nodes. >> >> A: It makes it hard to follow and is thus inconsiderate. >> B: >Why not? >> A>> Once again, Do NOT TOP-POST!!! Attention "Comrade Ringo Kamens": Please read the above!!! Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * **
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
I know they aren't directly related, but it could also help to involve *the unions* because they have a lot of power. At least in the US. Unfortunately I just started school and I have very little time on my hands so I can't directly help with this project much, even though I was working 10 hours a day with them before, but you should make a post to Binary Freedom (the discussion list). People there will certainly help you. They are an advocacy group for binary freedoms that participate in a lot of direct action and they can certainly help your cause. We have troops on the ground in the UK, but not sure about Germany. Comrade Ringo Kamens On 9/16/07, Scott Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:08:27 +0200 Thomas Hluchnik > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Am Sonntag, 16. September 2007 07:41 schrieb Martin Senftleben: > > > >Hello, > > Please get with the program. This is getting to be a real drag. See > below. > > > >can you please give some more info about that? I am just thinkinking about= > >=20 > >becoming member of a association and let my two tor nodes register as from= > >=20 > >that association. I have the luck that my home was not yet searched by any= > >=20 > >technical incompetent police, but who knows... > > > >What about the "Humanistische Union"? Do they have tor nodes? Is there anyb= > >ody=20 > >of them in this thread? Would like to hear if the HU is interested of getti= > >mg=20 > >members with tor nodes as entrance gift. > > > >What I definitely NOT like is giving up my help for the tor project. In tim= > >es=20 > >like these modern inquisition we have to resist, but have to find ways to=20 > >protect ourselves. > > > > > >> I am currently into registering an association that was founded more=20 > >> than a hundred years ago - that is quite some work, but manageable.=20 > >> I find the thought to found an association quite intriguing,=20 > >> particularly for Germany, where the members of a registered=20 > >> association (eingetragener Verein) would be protected against legal=20 > >> prosecution. The association could act as contract partners with the=20 > >> ISPs, and as that run Tor nodes which are managed by its members.=20 > >>=20 > >> BTW, one such node has just been set up which is legally registered=20 > >> with an association in Germany and run by a previous Tor-node admin=20 > >> who has also been harassed by the police. But I don't think they will=20 > >> be setting up more nodes. > > A: It makes it hard to follow and is thus inconsiderate. > B: >Why not? > A>> Once again, Do NOT TOP-POST!!! > > > Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG > ** > * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * > ** > * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * > * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * > * -- a standing army." * > *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * > ** >
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:08:27 +0200 Thomas Hluchnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Am Sonntag, 16. September 2007 07:41 schrieb Martin Senftleben: > >Hello, Please get with the program. This is getting to be a real drag. See below. > >can you please give some more info about that? I am just thinkinking about= >=20 >becoming member of a association and let my two tor nodes register as from= >=20 >that association. I have the luck that my home was not yet searched by any= >=20 >technical incompetent police, but who knows... > >What about the "Humanistische Union"? Do they have tor nodes? Is there anyb= >ody=20 >of them in this thread? Would like to hear if the HU is interested of getti= >mg=20 >members with tor nodes as entrance gift. > >What I definitely NOT like is giving up my help for the tor project. In tim= >es=20 >like these modern inquisition we have to resist, but have to find ways to=20 >protect ourselves. > > >> I am currently into registering an association that was founded more=20 >> than a hundred years ago - that is quite some work, but manageable.=20 >> I find the thought to found an association quite intriguing,=20 >> particularly for Germany, where the members of a registered=20 >> association (eingetragener Verein) would be protected against legal=20 >> prosecution. The association could act as contract partners with the=20 >> ISPs, and as that run Tor nodes which are managed by its members.=20 >>=20 >> BTW, one such node has just been set up which is legally registered=20 >> with an association in Germany and run by a previous Tor-node admin=20 >> who has also been harassed by the police. But I don't think they will=20 >> be setting up more nodes. A: It makes it hard to follow and is thus inconsiderate. B: >Why not? A>> Once again, Do NOT TOP-POST!!! Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * **
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
Am Sonntag, 16. September 2007 12:08 schrieb Thomas Hluchnik: > Am Sonntag, 16. September 2007 07:41 schrieb Martin Senftleben: > > Hello, > > can you please give some more info about that? I am just > thinkinking about becoming member of a association and let my two > tor nodes register as from that association. I have the luck that > my home was not yet searched by any technical incompetent police, > but who knows... I am not sure about which association has done that, but I'm in the process of finding it out. I wonder if it would be meaningful to found a German association that is dedicated to that sole purpose of protecting privacy on the Internet - if such an association doesn't yet exist in Germany - and provides Tor servers as well as legal advice for German Tor admins and others who provide similar facilities and are proscuted in Germany. > What about the "Humanistische Union"? Do they have tor nodes? Is > there anybody of them in this thread? Would like to hear if the HU > is interested of gettimg members with tor nodes as entrance gift. I'm not sure, I can't imagine they would do it, but I'll ask them. > What I definitely NOT like is giving up my help for the tor > project. In times like these modern inquisition we have to resist, > but have to find ways to protect ourselves. Martin -- Dr. Martin Senftleben, Ph.D. (S.V.U.) http://www.drmartinus.de/ http://www.daskirchenjahr.de/ pgp0IRfWljg1j.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
Greetings! Because of the terrible threat to civil liberties that currently exists (on several levels) in the UK there are some interesting groups and working relationships that are beginning to establish themselves. These UK groups are also building connections within Europe. Perhaps there is some kind of scope here for Tor Operators who have created their own association, to form some kind of affiliation with other groups that are already actively involved in addressing issues not too disimiliar to those that have affected (and no doubt will continue to affect) Tor Operators. Of course, there would need to be a clear understanding of the goals/objectives of any such association of Tor Operators/Users. The point I am trying to make here has already been made, that there should be some coordinated effort to promote and protect the legitimacy of Tor as a valid and important human rights tool. The shift of emphasis needs to be made, away from all of the negative implications of Tor and back onto the benefits that Tor has to offer. To my mind, this can only really be achieved through some kind of definite, structured, coordinated effort. I would be willing to play my part, here in the UK, where I can. I've included a link to the Open Rights Group by way of example (not promotion per se), to illustrate the point (that has already been made) that many groups already exist with whom an association of Tor Operators/Users could affiliate. This could be done both on a local (National) level and then also in various world regions. EDRI, for example, incorporates the involvement of at least one member of the CCC. http://www.openrightsgroup.org/2007/09/03/digital-rights-go-continental/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDRI http://www.edri.org/ -- Open Rights Group: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Rights_Group http://www.openrightsgroup.org/ -- Any comments and further focus/opinion? Regards, Stephen
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
Am Sonntag, 16. September 2007 07:41 schrieb Martin Senftleben: Hello, can you please give some more info about that? I am just thinkinking about becoming member of a association and let my two tor nodes register as from that association. I have the luck that my home was not yet searched by any technical incompetent police, but who knows... What about the "Humanistische Union"? Do they have tor nodes? Is there anybody of them in this thread? Would like to hear if the HU is interested of gettimg members with tor nodes as entrance gift. What I definitely NOT like is giving up my help for the tor project. In times like these modern inquisition we have to resist, but have to find ways to protect ourselves. > I am currently into registering an association that was founded more > than a hundred years ago - that is quite some work, but manageable. > I find the thought to found an association quite intriguing, > particularly for Germany, where the members of a registered > association (eingetragener Verein) would be protected against legal > prosecution. The association could act as contract partners with the > ISPs, and as that run Tor nodes which are managed by its members. > > BTW, one such node has just been set up which is legally registered > with an association in Germany and run by a previous Tor-node admin > who has also been harassed by the police. But I don't think they will > be setting up more nodes. > > Martin pgpKHmcIlJGzx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
On 07:41:12 2007-09-16 Martin Senftleben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am Sonntag, 16. September 2007 02:19 schrieb Alexander W. Janssen: > > On 9/16/07, Ringo Kamens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If you set up a paypal account I would be willing to donate on a > > > case-by-case basis (in this case, it would be to help with your > > > legal fees). I think even if you don't need help with legal fees > > > by receiving donations from all across the world it sends the > > > message to German authorities that harassing and attacking tor > > > node operators is not acceptable. Also, being able to mail in > > > money would also be nice ; ) > > > > Well. There's an EFF Europe now and it has a coordinator, Erik > > Josefsson, who's in cahrge with it. Maybe we should contact him and > > let all the funds ran over the european EFF? > > > > Erik, you're listening? Is there any possiblity to create a legal > > fund? > > > > (Problem is: At leat german organisations can't accept donations > > tax-free from foreign countries. Also I'd like to see someone > > official in charge rather than some person - like me, who is pretty > > much unkown and not trustworthy when it comes to money.) > > I (a German) am particularly reluctant to use PayPal. Recently, c't (a > German computer magazine) published a series of incidents which > shattered my faith in PayPal completely. Further, PayPal informs the > police willingly about movements at their end - also abroad. Even > though I have an account with PayPal in Germany, US-police obviously > could obtain information from PayPal about me. > Besides, small submissions (like 1 US$) swallow high fees, that > doesn't make much sense. > I avoid paypal myself for a long time... Just heard to many bad things about it... There is a british based site: http://www.moneybookers.co.uk Their privacy policy seems to be better in general... > association (eingetragener Verein) would be protected against legal > prosecution. The association could act as contract partners with the > ISPs, and as that run Tor nodes which are managed by its members. Nice... -- Andraž "ruskie" Levstik Source Mage GNU/Linux Games grimoire guru Geek/Hacker/Tinker Be sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth. Key id = F4C1F89C Key fingerprint = 6FF2 8F20 4C9D DB36 B5B6 F134 884D 72CC F4C1 F89C
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
Am Sonntag, 16. September 2007 02:19 schrieb Alexander W. Janssen: > On 9/16/07, Ringo Kamens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you set up a paypal account I would be willing to donate on a > > case-by-case basis (in this case, it would be to help with your > > legal fees). I think even if you don't need help with legal fees > > by receiving donations from all across the world it sends the > > message to German authorities that harassing and attacking tor > > node operators is not acceptable. Also, being able to mail in > > money would also be nice ; ) > > Well. There's an EFF Europe now and it has a coordinator, Erik > Josefsson, who's in cahrge with it. Maybe we should contact him and > let all the funds ran over the european EFF? > > Erik, you're listening? Is there any possiblity to create a legal > fund? > > (Problem is: At leat german organisations can't accept donations > tax-free from foreign countries. Also I'd like to see someone > official in charge rather than some person - like me, who is pretty > much unkown and not trustworthy when it comes to money.) I (a German) am particularly reluctant to use PayPal. Recently, c't (a German computer magazine) published a series of incidents which shattered my faith in PayPal completely. Further, PayPal informs the police willingly about movements at their end - also abroad. Even though I have an account with PayPal in Germany, US-police obviously could obtain information from PayPal about me. Besides, small submissions (like 1 US$) swallow high fees, that doesn't make much sense. I am currently into registering an association that was founded more than a hundred years ago - that is quite some work, but manageable. I find the thought to found an association quite intriguing, particularly for Germany, where the members of a registered association (eingetragener Verein) would be protected against legal prosecution. The association could act as contract partners with the ISPs, and as that run Tor nodes which are managed by its members. BTW, one such node has just been set up which is legally registered with an association in Germany and run by a previous Tor-node admin who has also been harassed by the police. But I don't think they will be setting up more nodes. Martin -- Dr. Martin Senftleben, Ph.D. (S.V.U.) http://www.drmartinus.de/ http://www.daskirchenjahr.de/ pgpZnoJ8KXLBP.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On 9/15/07, Alexander W. Janssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/16/07, Ryan Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There's still the possibility that a server op is using their Tor node > > as a scapegoat and really is doing bad things (I don't mean to imply > > that's the case here). Even if the police know that their suspect is > > running a Tor node, what Tor is, and what it's used for, they're still > > going to investigate him. All we can hope for is that they'd be a bit > > nicer about it. > > Actually one guy from the police exactly asked me: "Can you prove that > the traffic is really from Tor and someone else and not from your > pretending this was Tor traffic?" > > F*ck! This is insane. If i'd be an evildoer I would use *every other* > exitnode, but not mine! Why should I use mine? There'd be a chance > that they kick down my door! I'd handcraft my torrc in a way to > blacklist my very own node. > > And why on earth should I, as the suspect, prove myself unguilty in > that case? I can't! > There's a saying: "Innocent until proven guilty". And it's good that > way. I don't need to prove my innocense. THEY have to prove I'm > guilty! > > Never forget that. It's the law. > > It's a stupid idea. Sorry. Bollocks. > > Alex. > > -- > "I am tired of all this sort of thing called science here... We have spent > millions in that sort of thing for the last few years, and it is time it > should be stopped." > -- Simon Cameron, U.S. Senator, on the Smithsonian Institution, 1901. > > > . > Alex, I am very sorry to hear about your situation. It is what every Tor operator hopes will never happen to them, and is wrong that it happened to you. I'm willing to donate the last two weeks in donations (20 US Dollars) we received to your legal fund, once it can be established who will run it. I know it's not much, but it's free money to us and I feel you need it more than we do at the moment. Also, I would be very happy to write a letter of disapproval to whoever it is that is doing this to you. Who do I address such a letter to? Where do I send it? Digital and physical addresses? Could you (or someone else) translate it from English to German? I do not trust the free online translators with such important matters. Finally, we get over 100,000 unique hits per month on our website. I would be more than happy to put up your story on the main page to help draw attention to your unfortunate situation, and encourage users to help protest or provide financial assistance. As a developer that seeks to protect and help make Tor safer for everyone to use, this type of activity really pissed me off. Alex, you and your wife have my deepest sympathy. Stay strong, and don't forget that people half way around the world do care and worry about your situation, and the outcome it will have on the rest of the world. Kyle Williams JanusVM Developer www.janusvm.com
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I would really like to hear some good news from currently investigated Tor ops, about their success contacting CCC or EFF EU... Btw: Are there no official CCCers or EFFers reading here and open for a comment? Greets Am Samstag, den 15.09.2007, 21:38 -0400 schrieb Ringo Kamens: [...] > that's where we need to focus our attention. And perhaps FSF EU, EFF > EU, or CCC is the place to start with that. > Comrade Ringo Kamens [...] -- BlueStar88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
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I think there is support and all we need to do to obtain it is tell people *how* they can support you. Whether that is writing letters to German officials, protesting at German consulates, sending donations, or just getting this stuff in the press. I suggest you submit your story to indymedia.de as well as the magazine 2600. If you get published in 2600, you will reach a community that will be very concerned about your situation. I think that there is support here, the key is just how to get it. I don't know about how German law works, but how hard would it be to advocate with elected representatives and get this law changed? Can we hit them with a divestment campaign? Who is responsible for these attacks on tor operators? Can we begin impeachment proceedings? etc. etc. etc. The people on the other side of the ocean are lost as where to start, and that's where we need to focus our attention. And perhaps FSF EU, EFF EU, or CCC is the place to start with that. Comrade Ringo Kamens On 9/15/07, BlueStar88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If the most Tor users are really into human rights, free speech, > reporters and the like, then there *are* organizations which vastly more > power than such a 'little' Tor-operator-fund can provide, thought.. > > But where are they, when it's getting hot on Tor? > Why all the load is up to the operators? > Where are the *users* supporting Tor? > > I'm reading all this and coming to the conclusion: I'm alone (except > some nice words), if it takes me. There's nothing to read about external > professional support. My experience: Just finding a internet techieness > lawyer is a hard job... > But I don't like to be alone, if I'm doing something for all (the > users!) on this mission for freedom! > > Are there mostly black hats on there, which surely not stand up and say > "comrade, here's my hand, we'll drive this legal in the open field..."? > > If there is NO SUPPORT from the users itself, any organization or the > like, we (as the fully responsible operators) should seriously > reconsider... > > Just another 'naive' one from me, or is it a point? ;-) > > > > Greets > > > Am Samstag, den 15.09.2007, 19:50 -0400 schrieb Ringo Kamens: > > If you set up a paypal account I would be willing to donate on a > > case-by-case basis (in this case, it would be to help with your legal > > fees). I think even if you don't need help with legal fees by > > receiving donations from all across the world it sends the message to > > German authorities that harassing and attacking tor node operators is > > not acceptable. Also, being able to mail in money would also be nice ; > > ) > > Comrade Ringo Kamens > > > -- > BlueStar88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >
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If the most Tor users are really into human rights, free speech, reporters and the like, then there *are* organizations which vastly more power than such a 'little' Tor-operator-fund can provide, thought.. But where are they, when it's getting hot on Tor? Why all the load is up to the operators? Where are the *users* supporting Tor? I'm reading all this and coming to the conclusion: I'm alone (except some nice words), if it takes me. There's nothing to read about external professional support. My experience: Just finding a internet techieness lawyer is a hard job... But I don't like to be alone, if I'm doing something for all (the users!) on this mission for freedom! Are there mostly black hats on there, which surely not stand up and say "comrade, here's my hand, we'll drive this legal in the open field..."? If there is NO SUPPORT from the users itself, any organization or the like, we (as the fully responsible operators) should seriously reconsider... Just another 'naive' one from me, or is it a point? ;-) Greets Am Samstag, den 15.09.2007, 19:50 -0400 schrieb Ringo Kamens: > If you set up a paypal account I would be willing to donate on a > case-by-case basis (in this case, it would be to help with your legal > fees). I think even if you don't need help with legal fees by > receiving donations from all across the world it sends the message to > German authorities that harassing and attacking tor node operators is > not acceptable. Also, being able to mail in money would also be nice ; > ) > Comrade Ringo Kamens -- BlueStar88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
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Hi Alex, I am really sorry about what has happened to you. I think there is a need to incorporate. If there is for example an incorporated society which runs some tor-nodes, police is going to confiscate the servers (which is okay), but not going to search houses from members of the incorporated society. Also there would be some legal advantages in questions of liability. Regards, Ricky. -- "Falls Freiheit überhaupt etwas bedeutet, dann bedeutet sie das Recht darauf, den Leuten das zu sagen, was sie nicht hören wollen." - George Orwell, aus dem Nachwort zu "Animal Farm", 1945 - GPG-Fingerprint: 10D6 7B8F 1F7C 7CB1 2C4E 930E AFD2 FDF3 A10B D302 GPG-Key-ID: AFD2FDF3A10BD302 http://www.lawlita.com/pgp-schluessel/ signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
On 9/16/07, Ringo Kamens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you set up a paypal account I would be willing to donate on a > case-by-case basis (in this case, it would be to help with your legal > fees). I think even if you don't need help with legal fees by > receiving donations from all across the world it sends the message to > German authorities that harassing and attacking tor node operators is > not acceptable. Also, being able to mail in money would also be nice ; > ) Well. There's an EFF Europe now and it has a coordinator, Erik Josefsson, who's in cahrge with it. Maybe we should contact him and let all the funds ran over the european EFF? Erik, you're listening? Is there any possiblity to create a legal fund? (Problem is: At leat german organisations can't accept donations tax-free from foreign countries. Also I'd like to see someone official in charge rather than some person - like me, who is pretty much unkown and not trustworthy when it comes to money.) > Comrade Ringo Kamens Alex. -- "I am tired of all this sort of thing called science here... We have spent millions in that sort of thing for the last few years, and it is time it should be stopped." -- Simon Cameron, U.S. Senator, on the Smithsonian Institution, 1901. .
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
If you set up a paypal account I would be willing to donate on a case-by-case basis (in this case, it would be to help with your legal fees). I think even if you don't need help with legal fees by receiving donations from all across the world it sends the message to German authorities that harassing and attacking tor node operators is not acceptable. Also, being able to mail in money would also be nice ; ) Comrade Ringo Kamens On 9/15/07, Alexander W. Janssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/16/07, Ringo Kamens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is there any way that people can donate to help cover your legal fees? > > I'll commit to one US dollar. If half the people who read this message > > did that, it would at least take a small chunk out of that mountain of > > legal fees you're facing. Also, have you talked to the CCC (ccc.de) > > about this? They might be able to help. > > Hi Ringo, > > thanks for your offer, but I'm able to sort this out on my own. > However, your offer is valid and some kinda Tor Legal Fund (which was > discussed earlier) would make sense. There are still some open cases > (like morphiums's case, a student) which could need monetary help. > However, I'm not a lawyer and I don't know anything about how to set > up such a thing. > > It's be easy to set up a Paypal-account, but it'd be not "non-profit", > means someone's got to pay taxes for this. > > Any takers? > > > Comrade Ringo Kamens > > Alex. > > -- > "I am tired of all this sort of thing called science here... We have spent > millions in that sort of thing for the last few years, and it is time it > should be stopped." > -- Simon Cameron, U.S. Senator, on the Smithsonian Institution, 1901. > > > . >
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On 9/16/07, Ringo Kamens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there any way that people can donate to help cover your legal fees? > I'll commit to one US dollar. If half the people who read this message > did that, it would at least take a small chunk out of that mountain of > legal fees you're facing. Also, have you talked to the CCC (ccc.de) > about this? They might be able to help. Hi Ringo, thanks for your offer, but I'm able to sort this out on my own. However, your offer is valid and some kinda Tor Legal Fund (which was discussed earlier) would make sense. There are still some open cases (like morphiums's case, a student) which could need monetary help. However, I'm not a lawyer and I don't know anything about how to set up such a thing. It's be easy to set up a Paypal-account, but it'd be not "non-profit", means someone's got to pay taxes for this. Any takers? > Comrade Ringo Kamens Alex. -- "I am tired of all this sort of thing called science here... We have spent millions in that sort of thing for the last few years, and it is time it should be stopped." -- Simon Cameron, U.S. Senator, on the Smithsonian Institution, 1901. .
Re: I break the silence: My arrest
Is there any way that people can donate to help cover your legal fees? I'll commit to one US dollar. If half the people who read this message did that, it would at least take a small chunk out of that mountain of legal fees you're facing. Also, have you talked to the CCC (ccc.de) about this? They might be able to help. Comrade Ringo Kamens On 9/15/07, Alexander W. Janssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/16/07, Ryan Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There's still the possibility that a server op is using their Tor node > > as a scapegoat and really is doing bad things (I don't mean to imply > > that's the case here). Even if the police know that their suspect is > > running a Tor node, what Tor is, and what it's used for, they're still > > going to investigate him. All we can hope for is that they'd be a bit > > nicer about it. > > Actually one guy from the police exactly asked me: "Can you prove that > the traffic is really from Tor and someone else and not from your > pretending this was Tor traffic?" > > F*ck! This is insane. If i'd be an evildoer I would use *every other* > exitnode, but not mine! Why should I use mine? There'd be a chance > that they kick down my door! I'd handcraft my torrc in a way to > blacklist my very own node. > > And why on earth should I, as the suspect, prove myself unguilty in > that case? I can't! > There's a saying: "Innocent until proven guilty". And it's good that > way. I don't need to prove my innocense. THEY have to prove I'm > guilty! > > Never forget that. It's the law. > > It's a stupid idea. Sorry. Bollocks. > > Alex. > > -- > "I am tired of all this sort of thing called science here... We have spent > millions in that sort of thing for the last few years, and it is time it > should be stopped." > -- Simon Cameron, U.S. Senator, on the Smithsonian Institution, 1901. > > > . >
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On 9/16/07, Ryan Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's still the possibility that a server op is using their Tor node > as a scapegoat and really is doing bad things (I don't mean to imply > that's the case here). Even if the police know that their suspect is > running a Tor node, what Tor is, and what it's used for, they're still > going to investigate him. All we can hope for is that they'd be a bit > nicer about it. Actually one guy from the police exactly asked me: "Can you prove that the traffic is really from Tor and someone else and not from your pretending this was Tor traffic?" F*ck! This is insane. If i'd be an evildoer I would use *every other* exitnode, but not mine! Why should I use mine? There'd be a chance that they kick down my door! I'd handcraft my torrc in a way to blacklist my very own node. And why on earth should I, as the suspect, prove myself unguilty in that case? I can't! There's a saying: "Innocent until proven guilty". And it's good that way. I don't need to prove my innocense. THEY have to prove I'm guilty! Never forget that. It's the law. It's a stupid idea. Sorry. Bollocks. Alex. -- "I am tired of all this sort of thing called science here... We have spent millions in that sort of thing for the last few years, and it is time it should be stopped." -- Simon Cameron, U.S. Senator, on the Smithsonian Institution, 1901. .
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott Bennett wrote: > On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:32:27 +0200 "Alexander W. Janssen" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 9/16/07, Juliusz Chroboczek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://itnomad.wordpress.com/2007/09/16/tor-madness-reloaded/ >>> Alex, perhaps you or somebody could put up a web page, in German, that >>> explains in simple terms what Tor is about, aimed at explaining to the >>> average German police officer what tor is about. This might (or might > > There is already a web page, though perhaps not tailored specifically > for cops: > > http://tor.eff.org/index.html.de > >>> not) prove useful if other German tor operators get into a similar >>> kind of situation. >> Actually what'd be more useful would be something like a tag in the >> whois-database... But the average copper would probably either ignore >> or not understand it :-( >> > Um...and that would be more useful how? I thought the suggestion was > to provide them information that *would* convince the average cop not to > bother. > There's still the possibility that a server op is using their Tor node as a scapegoat and really is doing bad things (I don't mean to imply that's the case here). Even if the police know that their suspect is running a Tor node, what Tor is, and what it's used for, they're still going to investigate him. All we can hope for is that they'd be a bit nicer about it. > > Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG > ** > * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * > ** > * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * > * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * > * -- a standing army." * > *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * > ** > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBRuxn/aYAM/AiUno8AQJADA/+PBpRpuj0OjtOYDDUl72M9ev2W5sW+zVp QMb4GT64Qgt4lOPxiNVN/yOnTEgx6yfaZNMY/urTijw2HXA+Lel4Lskz/5Ml9P3g z+NhaiN4BLa5F5MUvFVKlQzPGMoGKdadr96jBgAuCwAp92ArfVkX2FeFmN+nEpFM 7lSG9Cbsz9JQLLtDvdeh1An0r3r21vkYn5zdnBW09NsrBw8PjJXLFqVtPoI98GMV bFSlGshpOjACHfvMqSxALuDwMrIxUIrsNm+JtSuWtyHD6lllNGiwNoSJPOjWhYGu lJL0SfmRYWNuRdz7xGQe8QYkXiXHY2WWo7XWTuopbjco0n+Gv09l+LeoenR7eZno Z09M52PgW7KfDNvGx18h28K3XRXXkpZ4hapHgHqG5IBXDO/oy81h3/uzA/lINkIP Trbtsj32xHO6nXyTTyWNXkAEfIkVWhnZbzQ7+c1AzxFTBnZ+NQhodFh4j/u5e7pC xMl5h3uUb/vWMPBbcedXfygh57kVt6DPB4ZyE44n/GlngBxW2emwRgcK20Kwyrap RHWrZQLEEwTFB7HiORdixjTrKs/EwHbxJbRopf39xMJNpuiMCfZQXLNLXjE9jEsV 1SR1On98HSGbBKNma/SEF+r9YvTCdoMjFyVnu0mFlpvs3L/n/oOy5JLLZ2WhMSlY 1pUgP61qQpw= =lVfH -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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Now that I can break my silence it's time for some action. A question to all Tor-operators: I'd like to do a survey about all incidents which happened to operators. Stuff like: * arrested * confiscated equippment * nastygram * surveillance * ... What would be possible other questions/point in the survey? Alex. -- "I am tired of all this sort of thing called science here... We have spent millions in that sort of thing for the last few years, and it is time it should be stopped." -- Simon Cameron, U.S. Senator, on the Smithsonian Institution, 1901. .
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On 9/16/07, Scott Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Actually what'd be more useful would be something like a tag in the > >whois-database... But the average copper would probably either ignore > >or not understand it :-( > > > Um...and that would be more useful how? I thought the suggestion was > to provide them information that *would* convince the average cop not to > bother. No, but it'd mean that the copper might see that this is an exit-node, rather than the real offender and think a bit before sending out the SWAT-team. Alex. -- "I am tired of all this sort of thing called science here... We have spent millions in that sort of thing for the last few years, and it is time it should be stopped." -- Simon Cameron, U.S. Senator, on the Smithsonian Institution, 1901. .
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On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:32:27 +0200 "Alexander W. Janssen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On 9/16/07, Juliusz Chroboczek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > http://itnomad.wordpress.com/2007/09/16/tor-madness-reloaded/ >> Alex, perhaps you or somebody could put up a web page, in German, that >> explains in simple terms what Tor is about, aimed at explaining to the >> average German police officer what tor is about. This might (or might There is already a web page, though perhaps not tailored specifically for cops: http://tor.eff.org/index.html.de >> not) prove useful if other German tor operators get into a similar >> kind of situation. > >Actually what'd be more useful would be something like a tag in the >whois-database... But the average copper would probably either ignore >or not understand it :-( > Um...and that would be more useful how? I thought the suggestion was to provide them information that *would* convince the average cop not to bother. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * **
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On 9/16/07, Juliusz Chroboczek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://itnomad.wordpress.com/2007/09/16/tor-madness-reloaded/ > Alex, perhaps you or somebody could put up a web page, in German, that > explains in simple terms what Tor is about, aimed at explaining to the > average German police officer what tor is about. This might (or might > not) prove useful if other German tor operators get into a similar > kind of situation. Actually what'd be more useful would be something like a tag in the whois-database... But the average copper would probably either ignore or not understand it :-( > Juliusz Alex. -- "I am tired of all this sort of thing called science here... We have spent millions in that sort of thing for the last few years, and it is time it should be stopped." -- Simon Cameron, U.S. Senator, on the Smithsonian Institution, 1901. .
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> http://itnomad.wordpress.com/2007/09/16/tor-madness-reloaded/ That is very interesting stuff. Alex, perhaps you or somebody could put up a web page, in German, that explains in simple terms what Tor is about, aimed at explaining to the average German police officer what tor is about. This might (or might not) prove useful if other German tor operators get into a similar kind of situation. Juliusz
I break the silence: My arrest
Hi all, I made some dubious comments recently about ongoing investigations against me. Today I got a letter from the lawyer of the state telling me that I'm not longer a suspect. Hereby I break my silence: http://itnomad.wordpress.com/2007/09/16/tor-madness-reloaded/ Thanks for all the people who knew about it beforehand, for their understanding and support. Especially to my wife who went through hell. Cheers, Alex. -- "I am tired of all this sort of thing called science here... We have spent millions in that sort of thing for the last few years, and it is time it should be stopped." -- Simon Cameron, U.S. Senator, on the Smithsonian Institution, 1901. .
