Re: (Solution. Please read) Re: Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)
On 06/19/2009 01:37 PM, Chris Humphry wrote: I then thought of contacting Channel One and telling them about Tor, TorBrowserBundle and Tor Bridges. Why not have them put TBB on *each* pen they send out? And with each TBB they could include the signature and a .txt file with a few Tor Bridges listed. Other organizations have put TBB on a USB drive for their needs. If you extract it and have it ready to go it works best. They should include the source .exe and signature (and sha-1 hash fwiw). So more sophisticated users can verify it really is our TBB, not a trojaned TBB. They should not include a text file of bridge addresses. Especially if you want each pen to have a different list. That's a fine way to enumerate all bridges for someone to block them faster. If Tor works in country already, there's no need to force bridges. Users can find bridges through the Vidalia Help just fine. Is Vidalia trasnled into Farsi? Yes. Vidalia, Torbutton, and TBB itself are translated into Farsi, see https://torproject.org/torbutton Getting TBB into the hands of those who need it is a great idea; publicizing this fact may only harm those same people. Once it is known the USB pen is more than just a camera, it becomes a larger risk to being caught with it, and invites more scrutiny. A fine way to find out how fast the arms race can accelerate is to get lots of press and force the other party into action. (Of course, now we've said this in a public forum broadcast to the world.) I encourage you to talk to Channel One. I'm also happy to help out. -- Andrew Lewman The Tor Project pgp 0x31B0974B Website: https://torproject.org/ Blog: https://blog.torproject.org/ Identica/Twitter: torproject
Re: (Solution. Please read) Re: Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)
--- On Fri, 6/19/09, Chris Humphry humphry.ch...@yahoo.com wrote: All the best and Demoracy for all! While I am fairly certain that you meant this as a wish of good will to all (thanks), you may (or may not) be surprised that some people do not equate democracy with freedom[1]. Since I equate democracy with servitude (at least any government form of it), I cannot help but feel a little hurt that you would wish it on me and everyone else. ;( Since this seems very much inconsistent to the cheerful way in which your apparently 9at least to me) mixed message is sent, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you do mean me and others well. Therefore, I will take a leap of faith and assume that what you really are wishing to all is liberty? If liberty is indeed then ends you wish for all (I hope it is, yeah!), more of us could join in your cheer if you left out the means you probably believe(?) could achieve this, democracy (or if you at least did not leave out the freedom part!) Please don't take this the wrong way, I am not trying to be the word police and to force some politically correct wording into your mouth (or email text). If you truly wish democracy for all, please continue to express this. But in the off chance that you may not have realized that some people do not equate democracy with freedom, and that you could just as well share your vision for liberty with them (without invoking visions of servitude), I thought that I if I pointed this out politely (I truly hope that I do not come off rude), it might be something that you would take into consideration with an open mind. Thanks for listening,... and liberty for all! -Martin [1] While I understand that many people believe that democracy is a step towards freedom, I do not. But I am not trying to debate this (or start a flame war), I am just trying to point out that some freedom loving people, such as myself, hold a different point of view. I believe that democracy is a side step that parades itself as step forward, making a true step forward much longer delayed. Again, this is not an attempt to convince anyone, but rather an explanation as to why I (and perhaps some others, particularly on this list) do not want really democracy wished upon them.
Re: (Solution. Please read) Re: Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)
Getting TBB into the hands of those who need it is a great idea; publicizing this fact may only harm those same people. Once it is known the USB pen is more than just a camera, it becomes a larger risk to being caught with it, and invites more scrutiny. A fine way to find out how fast the arms race can accelerate is to get lots of press and force the other party into action. (Of course, now we've said this in a public forum broadcast to the world.) Yea, good ol' Pandora ;) CNN had the same concerns. They asked Channel One if broadcasting the pen images and info was wise. The reporter asked if Channel One was putting Iranians in danger because the authorities and militia would now look for those pens. Channel One responded by saying the pens have been in use for a while, I guess that means the past week or so. I have doubts about the abilities and sophistication of the Iranian Internet censors. They haven't blocked Tor or apparently Freegate, and I'm sure that means I2P2 gateways are also working... I encourage you to talk to Channel One. I'm also happy to help out. Great! If you would like to contact them I think that would be best. I'm just some guy, but you are not. You know so much more than I do and it seems your grammar is better too :) An official contact from a member of the Tor Project would be a great choice, I'm sure Channel One will respond. Do you know if Pidgen translated into Farsi? I was thinking about asking them to translate the Bridges[1] and TBB install page[2] into Farsi. They could translate the text easy enough I assume. An added bonus would be if they translated the Tor Overview page[3]. [1] https://www.torproject.org/bridges [2] https://www.torproject.org/torbrowser/index.html.en [3] https://www.torproject.org/overview.html.en P.S. Would you mind CCing me? If not I understand, thanks.
Re: (Solution. Please read) Re: Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)
Hi mogulguy, --- On Fri, 6/19/09, molgulguy mogul...@yahoo.com --- On Fri, 6/19/09, Chris Humphry humphry.ch...@yahoo.com wrote: All the best and Demoracy for all! While I am fairly certain that you meant this as a wish of good will to all (thanks), you may (or may not) be surprised that some people do not equate democracy with freedom[1]. I was referring specifically to the Iranian dissidents who seem to want Democracy. My apologies if I offended you, I should have worded it better. I lean heavily toward your stance.
