Re: A root-server for about 30EUR for an exitnode?

2008-02-04 Thread Ricky Fitz
 How the heck did you do that? And how much did it cost?

Is this really unusual? I am at hetzner, and there I got an own subnetz
registered at RIPE together with my dedicated server.

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Re: A root-server for about 30EUR for an exitnode?

2008-02-04 Thread Olaf Selke

morphium wrote:


But it's not truely independent.
Look @ my IP net entry:
http://ripe.net/fcgi-bin/whois?form_type=simplefull_query_string=searchtext=93.92.40.0do_search=Search

Or my Person entry:
http://ripe.net/fcgi-bin/whois?form_type=simplefull_query_string=searchtext=theodor+reppedo_search=Search

There you wont find anything higher (Maintained-By)


it simply means you're maintaining your handle 
MNT-SHRK-SYSTMS by yourself and I let other people do the 
job for my handle OS835-RIPE. On the other hand I'm my own 
admin-c and tech-c whereas it appears to be a guy named 
Thomas Kalman for your network.


My intention to become abuse contact apparently does work so 
far. Last few days I've got a couple of abuse mails 
regarding the tor node's ip address, and this morning police 
called on my mobile phone.



At your entry, there is a Kai Siering mentioned...your provider :)


... my employee doing all the work :-)

Olaf


Re: A root-server for about 30EUR for an exitnode?

2008-02-03 Thread F. Fox
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Olaf Selke wrote:
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Mmmm... strong crypto. --Bruce Schneier

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Re: A root-server for about 30EUR for an exitnode?

2008-02-03 Thread Olaf Selke

oops, my mail has been encrypted


Gitano wrote:

Karsten N. wrote:


http://www.ovh.de/produkte/isgenug.xml



This server has only 256MB RAM. It seems very less for a tor server.


That's true, but traffic is unlimited! :)


100 Mbit/s SLA mit 1000 GB Traffic (anschliessend 5 Mbit/s, sobald der
Grenzwert überschritten wurde)

means 1 TB (each month?) is included. Afterwards the server will be
throttled to 5 MBit/s bandwidth.

Olaf





Re: A root-server for about 30EUR for an exitnode?

2008-02-03 Thread Andrew

Olaf Selke schrieb:


btw: recently I moved my tor exit node into another network which is 
assigned directly to me according RIPE DB. From public perception I'm 
my own ISP now: 
http://ripe.net/fcgi-bin/whois?form_type=simplefull_query_string=searchtext=192.251.226.205 



My ISP was sick from getting bothered by police nearly every day. 
German police usually investigate the way: IP address - RIPE DB - 
ISP - suspect.


cheers, Olaf

How the heck did you do that? And how much did it cost?

Alaaf!
Andrew


Re: A root-server for about 30EUR for an exitnode?

2008-02-03 Thread Olaf Selke

Florian D. wrote:

Olaf Selke wrote:

100 Mbit/s SLA mit 1000 GB Traffic (anschliessend 5 Mbit/s, sobald der
Grenzwert überschritten wurde)

means 1 TB (each month?) is included. Afterwards the server will be
throttled to 5 MBit/s bandwidth.


read closer:
ODER
100 Mbit/s ohne SLA mit unbegrenztem Traffic


English tongue 100 MBit/s unlimited traffic without SLA.


means that without the 99,9% guarantee, you'll get unlimited traffic


cutting off power supply after the first TB traffic is transferred would 
comply with this offer. Do you really expect them to permit 100MBit/s 
unlimited traffic each month for a few bucks?


More expensive than IP traffic will be ISP's personnel expenses for a 
tor exit gw's abuse handling.


Olaf


Re: A root-server for about 30EUR for an exitnode?

2008-02-03 Thread Andrew

Olaf Selke schrieb:
cutting off power supply after the first TB traffic is transferred 
would comply with this offer. Do you really expect them to permit 
100MBit/s unlimited traffic each month for a few bucks?

Didn't I read something about a 99.9% uptime guarantee on their site?
Actually, the German Strato AG also has switched their dedicated 
servers, starting at EUR 70 a month, to an unlimited traffic plan. No 
fair-use or similar downsides.
I'd just like to know what the bandwidth per switch is... and how many 
servers share that bandwidth.




More expensive than IP traffic will be ISP's personnel expenses for a 
tor exit gw's abuse handling.


Why? They just have to point the finger at the server's owner. That's 
not much work to do. I bet they have standardized emails for such cases.


Andrew




Re: A root-server for about 30EUR for an exitnode?

2008-02-03 Thread Florian D.
Olaf Selke wrote:
 100 Mbit/s SLA mit 1000 GB Traffic (anschliessend 5 Mbit/s, sobald der
 Grenzwert überschritten wurde)
 
 means 1 TB (each month?) is included. Afterwards the server will be
 throttled to 5 MBit/s bandwidth.
 
 Olaf
 
read closer:
ODER
100 Mbit/s ohne SLA mit unbegrenztem Traffic

means that without the 99,9% guarantee, you'll get unlimited traffic


Re: A root-server for about 30EUR for an exitnode?

2008-02-03 Thread Gitano
Olaf Selke wrote:

 http://www.ovh.de/produkte/isgenug.xml

 This server has only 256MB RAM. It seems very less for a tor server.

 That's true, but traffic is unlimited! :)
 
 100 Mbit/s SLA mit 1000 GB Traffic (anschliessend 5 Mbit/s, sobald der
 Grenzwert überschritten wurde)

ODER 100 Mbit/s ohne SLA mit unbegrenztem Traffic (my choice).


Re: A root-server for about 30EUR for an exitnode?

2008-02-03 Thread F. Fox
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Olaf Selke wrote:
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 More expensive than IP traffic will be ISP's personnel expenses for a
 tor exit gw's abuse handling.
(snip)

And if you're your own ISP - as you mentioned with the RIPE trick -
you'd better have a lot of money, and some contacts...

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Re: A root-server for about 30EUR for an exitnode?

2008-02-03 Thread Olaf Selke

F. Fox wrote:

Olaf Selke wrote:
(an encrypted message)

Mmmm... strong crypto. --Bruce Schneier

:: giggles ::


shit, I must stop smoking this stuff! Have been confused by 
Thunderbird's spellchecker suggestion to replace Gitano with 
Antitank :-)


btw: recently I moved my tor exit node into another network which is 
assigned directly to me according RIPE DB. From public perception I'm my 
own ISP now: 
http://ripe.net/fcgi-bin/whois?form_type=simplefull_query_string=searchtext=192.251.226.205


My ISP was sick from getting bothered by police nearly every day. German 
police usually investigate the way: IP address - RIPE DB - ISP - suspect.


cheers, Olaf


Re: A root-server for about 30EUR for an exitnode?

2008-02-03 Thread Olaf Selke

Andrew wrote:


Didn't I read something about a 99.9% uptime guarantee on their site?
Actually, the German Strato AG also has switched their dedicated 
servers, starting at EUR 70 a month, to an unlimited traffic plan. No 
fair-use or similar downsides.
I'd just like to know what the bandwidth per switch is... and how many 
servers share that bandwidth.


I don't know and I doubt they will tell you. On the other hand Strato is 
one of the major hosting players on the German market. I'm convinced 
bandwidth will be sufficient for a tor node running on apples and 
oranges hardware.


More expensive than IP traffic will be ISP's personnel expenses for a 
tor exit gw's abuse handling.



Why? They just have to point the finger at the server's owner.

 That's not much work to do.

even each case takes only about 15min average, it becomes expensive.


That's not much work to do. I bet they have standardized emails for such cases.


German police do not use email for their inquiries. Usually the letter 
from police arrives first as fax and a few days later in writing. Not to 
mention they expect the answer pointing to me the same way. The only 
known exception accepting email communication I'm aware of has been a 
German secret service.


Olaf