Re: News orgs should be interested in running tor nodes
Thomas Hluchnik schrieb: > Has anyone ever tried to speak with the guys from SPIEGEL, FAZ, Sueddeutsche > and so on that they drive own tor nodes? This would be good PR for tor. > Heise and ZEIT will not run tor node, I asked them 2 month ago. May be, they will change the opinion next time. The journalist organisation "Berliner Journalisten" has run a tor node for 2 month and the node was closed few times ago. This tor node is now "gpfTOR1" and is supported by the German Privacy Foundation (see other mailing). So far about our journalists in Germany. It seems, they are not ready for this step at the moment. We will organize some meetings with journalist organizations and Roger, when he stay in Berlin. Hope, this will bring up a tor node. Please Roger contact us directly at: http://v6ni63jd2tt2keb5.onion/contact.htm
Re: News orgs should be interested in running tor nodes
Am Donnerstag, 15. November 2007 07:29 schrieb Roger Dingledine: > On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 10:48:33PM +0100, Thomas Hluchnik wrote: > > Has anyone ever tried to speak with the guys from SPIEGEL, FAZ, Sueddeutsche > > and so on that they drive own tor nodes? This would be good PR for tor. > > > > If not yet, is there anybody who has contact to news orgs? If the great news > > orgs in germany would have own tor nodes, they would become more sensitive > > about what we are fighting for. > > Rather than trying to get them to operate their own hardware, we might > make more progress just trying to help them understand the good uses > and good users for Tor. What you say is right, but if for example the SPIEGEL drives some tor exits by themselves and police seizes them it is something different for the SPIEGEL journalists. So the SPIEGEL is dircectly involved and they have much more awareness about what goes on with tor. Furthermore they would (I hope so) provide some infos in their "Contact" area on their website how to use anonymization tor contacting journalists or the SPIEGEL office. And thats waht I want. They shell be directly involved, not just reporting about that. Thomas Hluchnik pgp5MhGK88lBG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: News orgs should be interested in running tor nodes
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 10:48:33PM +0100, Thomas Hluchnik wrote: > Has anyone ever tried to speak with the guys from SPIEGEL, FAZ, Sueddeutsche > and so on that they drive own tor nodes? This would be good PR for tor. > > If not yet, is there anybody who has contact to news orgs? If the great news > orgs in germany would have own tor nodes, they would become more sensitive > about what we are fighting for. Rather than trying to get them to operate their own hardware, we might make more progress just trying to help them understand the good uses and good users for Tor. We've made some progress with American journalists because by this point quite a few of them know somebody down the hall who's used Tor and found it useful. For example, we heard from a major American news organization that got a knock on the door of their foreign office after they submitted a story about an east Asian country from inside said country. Now that they know about Tor, they don't attract as much attention from the locals when researching their stories or submitting them. The more journalists who recognize the value of safety online, the more they'll be willing to see (and explain) both sides of a story when something comes up. So if you know a journalist, whatever country you're in, take them out for coffee and teach them how anonymity on the Internet can work and how diverse its users are. Offer to be a contact if they ever find themselves needing to know more about anonymity online. Speaking of which, we need to work more on docs that explain the good uses of Tor. There's a start here: https://www.torproject.org/torusers If anybody wants to clean this up and make it look sharper, please do. :) --Roger
Re: News orgs should be interested in running tor nodes
Am Mittwoch, den 14.11.2007, 22:48 +0100 schrieb Thomas Hluchnik: > Has anyone ever tried to speak with the guys from SPIEGEL, FAZ, Sueddeutsche > and so on that they drive own tor nodes? This would be good PR for tor. Hm, not me, althoug I know that some journalist organisations were thinking about running their own Tor-nodes. > If not yet, is there anybody who has contact to news orgs? If the great news > orgs in germany would have own tor nodes, they would become more sensitive > about what we are fighting for. Well... uh... I possibly could do that, although I have quite a lack of spare-time. And we still have the Privacy Foundation in Germany which actually wants to care about that special topic. However, I don't know how far they are and how well organised. But, if there ain't no takers, I might volunteer in doing so. Anyone inclined supporting me? > Thomas Alex. signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
