Re: hidden service with jabber and ssl

2010-03-03 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 12:12:43AM -0500, Ted Smith wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 18:03 +0100, moris blues wrote:
> > i re that it is not secure to use a hidden service 
> > with ssl. 
> 
> That's wrong. It might be superfluous at times, since you get end-to-end
> crypto from Tor, but it's not at all insecure to use TLS/SSL on a hidden
> service.

The general notion that people are pushing is that since Privoxy keeps
you safe, and Privoxy can't look inside SSL, then it can't keep you safe
when you're using SSL.

The problem with that logic is that Privoxy isn't what should keep you
safe. Your Firefox (plus extensions) is what should do it. Torbutton
does most of the steps that you might want. Adblock will remove some ads.
Etc. Doing the keeping-you-safe at the proxy is just the wrong place to
do it.

Which makes the faq entry:
https://wiki.torproject.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorFAQ#HttpsHiddenService
not very accurate or useful.

Anybody want to rewrite it to be more crisp and more accurate? :)

--Roger

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Re: hidden service with jabber and ssl

2010-03-03 Thread Ted Smith
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 18:03 +0100, moris blues wrote:
> i re that it is not secure to use a hidden service 
> with ssl. 

That's wrong. It might be superfluous at times, since you get end-to-end
crypto from Tor, but it's not at all insecure to use TLS/SSL on a hidden
service.


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Re: hidden service with jabber and ssl

2010-03-03 Thread andrew
On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 06:03:40PM +0100, mo...@oleco.net wrote 0.6K bytes in 
19 lines about:
: i re that it is not secure to use a hidden service 
: with ssl.

https://wiki.torproject.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorFAQ#HttpsHiddenService

: So now i have a jabber Server as a hidden service, and i acan use it
: with ssl on port 5223.
: The questions is now, is it secure or dangerous to use ssl with jabber?

If done correctly, users should be confused why the ssl cert doesn't
match.  However, with xmpp, it may not matter. The best answer I have
now is to try it.

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