Re: Tor on the Nokia N900 (Mobile Tor stuff)
On 02/19/10 20:09, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: >> On 02/18/10 20:07, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: >>> The performance of Tor is similar to any other Tor client - this is our >>> reference C implementation running on the N900. >>> >>> With that said - You may want to hold out and get an Android phone. >>> We're looking to do a release of Tor on Android next week. We have some >>> very promising alphas and it's quite exciting! >> >> Please correct me if I'm wrong, but am a little surprised at the >> interest in TOR on Android - Android seems a closed, phone-home "cloud" >> computer with little/no regard for privacy or anonymity. I'd always >> wonder about a nice little log somewhere on my phone and/or in the "cloud". >> > > I think that Android offers us a new possibility for telephones. I also > like the N900 but I feel that Nokia often screws their user community. > It's good to have options and so the more Tor on the more devices, the > better. > Understood/Agreed. Especially given the periodic political wars on privacy and anonymity. > You may be interested in hearing about the Guardian project: > http://openideals.com/guardian/ > > Additionally, you may also be interested in Noisedroid: > https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisedroid > > Or perhaps the more well known cyanogen firmware: > http://www.cyanogenmod.com/ > > All of those offer a possibility for an Android system built entirely > from Free Software pieces. The big missing piece is the baseband and > when last I checked there was not a single smart phone with a free > baseband firmware. Harald Welte is currently working on on solving this > problem for the Calypso chipset: > http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2010/02/19/#20100219-announcing_osmocom_bb > > The future looks nice all around. Having Tor on as many of these devices > will provide many people with options beyond what we can imagine. > >> OTOH, IIUC, The N900 can be configured as a traditional lap/desktop. >> (Arguably, one may want to hold out for an entirely open-source meego >> N900 with the new Intel chip) >> Thank you for the informative reply. I'm quite clueless about the mobile/cell world and these are very useful links. I presently carry a TracFone for emergencies, a small camera for photos, and use a laptop at wifi hotspots for telephone and net use - a lot of "stuff". My goal is to consolidate all of that into a powerful, Linux cell phone that I can maintain on my desktop (ubuntu or meego) - as I maintain my laptop (Gentoo) now. The x86 moorestown seems a powerful chip; meego is open source; I'm guessing that moorestown and meego will go into the next high-end Nokia. I'd look for an open(?) phone with a good camera and not use it for cell phoning (or perhaps get a limited monthly T-mobile plan when I'm on the road). Add micro or wireless-usb, and I could occasionally add a folding keyboard. (thoughts about the above welcomed) *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor on the Nokia N900 (Mobile Tor stuff)
On 02/19/10 16:13, Rich Jones wrote: Thanks for the reply. After some thought, I realize that the perfect should not be an enemy of the good; that TORing the net remains valuable, even if the OS is handshaking the cloud. It is also important that as many (cell) users as possible use/support TOR - use it or lose it. > Perhaps, that is a good reason FOR Tor to be on Android. > > I'm a huge android fan (currently making my living off of Android > development, in fact) - and the reason that it is so interesting to me > is because it covers all of the major US carriers, numerous > international carriers, and it's available on both high and low end > phones. There is a huge amount of interoperability that you just don't > get by just developing for a single Nokia phone. *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor on the Nokia N900 (Mobile Tor stuff)
7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: > On 02/18/10 20:07, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: >> The performance of Tor is similar to any other Tor client - this is our >> reference C implementation running on the N900. >> >> With that said - You may want to hold out and get an Android phone. >> We're looking to do a release of Tor on Android next week. We have some >> very promising alphas and it's quite exciting! > > Please correct me if I'm wrong, but am a little surprised at the > interest in TOR on Android - Android seems a closed, phone-home "cloud" > computer with little/no regard for privacy or anonymity. I'd always > wonder about a nice little log somewhere on my phone and/or in the "cloud". > I think that Android offers us a new possibility for telephones. I also like the N900 but I feel that Nokia often screws their user community. It's good to have options and so the more Tor on the more devices, the better. You may be interested in hearing about the Guardian project: http://openideals.com/guardian/ Additionally, you may also be interested in Noisedroid: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisedroid Or perhaps the more well known cyanogen firmware: http://www.cyanogenmod.com/ All of those offer a possibility for an Android system built entirely from Free Software pieces. The big missing piece is the baseband and when last I checked there was not a single smart phone with a free baseband firmware. Harald Welte is currently working on on solving this problem for the Calypso chipset: http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2010/02/19/#20100219-announcing_osmocom_bb The future looks nice all around. Having Tor on as many of these devices will provide many people with options beyond what we can imagine. > OTOH, IIUC, The N900 can be configured as a traditional lap/desktop. > (Arguably, one may want to hold out for an entirely open-source meego > N900 with the new Intel chip) > The same can be said about almost any phone software. You can hack it and the barrier for entry is really the only sticking point. The N900 and Android aren't too terribly different from a consumer standpoint. If you're running the stock firmware from your phone provider, you're beholden to their backdoors or whatever crazy bugs they haven't patched. In any case, Tor provides you with a nice anonymity solution. It is far from perfect (baseband security issues, etc) but it's certainly better than nothing. Having Tor in the Android Market and having Tor in the Maemo repository allows people to choose. We'll also hopefully have Tor on Windows Mobile in the future but I can't seem to find anyone who wants to Bell The Cat. :-) Best, Jake signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Tor on the Nokia N900 (Mobile Tor stuff)
Perhaps, that is a good reason FOR Tor to be on Android. I'm a huge android fan (currently making my living off of Android development, in fact) - and the reason that it is so interesting to me is because it covers all of the major US carriers, numerous international carriers, and it's available on both high and low end phones. There is a huge amount of interoperability that you just don't get by just developing for a single Nokia phone. Rich Jones On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 3:53 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o <7v5w7go9u...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 02/18/10 20:07, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: >> The performance of Tor is similar to any other Tor client - this is our >> reference C implementation running on the N900. >> >> With that said - You may want to hold out and get an Android phone. >> We're looking to do a release of Tor on Android next week. We have some >> very promising alphas and it's quite exciting! > > Please correct me if I'm wrong, but am a little surprised at the > interest in TOR on Android - Android seems a closed, phone-home "cloud" > computer with little/no regard for privacy or anonymity. I'd always > wonder about a nice little log somewhere on my phone and/or in the "cloud". > > OTOH, IIUC, The N900 can be configured as a traditional lap/desktop. > (Arguably, one may want to hold out for an entirely open-source meego > N900 with the new Intel chip) > > > > *** > To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with > unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ > *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor on the Nokia N900 (Mobile Tor stuff)
On 02/18/10 20:07, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > The performance of Tor is similar to any other Tor client - this is our > reference C implementation running on the N900. > > With that said - You may want to hold out and get an Android phone. > We're looking to do a release of Tor on Android next week. We have some > very promising alphas and it's quite exciting! Please correct me if I'm wrong, but am a little surprised at the interest in TOR on Android - Android seems a closed, phone-home "cloud" computer with little/no regard for privacy or anonymity. I'd always wonder about a nice little log somewhere on my phone and/or in the "cloud". OTOH, IIUC, The N900 can be configured as a traditional lap/desktop. (Arguably, one may want to hold out for an entirely open-source meego N900 with the new Intel chip) *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor on the Nokia N900 (Mobile Tor stuff)
Hi > I'm happy to announce that we've gotten Tor working as a client on the > Nokia N900 GSM telephone. We've written up a blog post and some > instructions. We'd love to get some feedback: > https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-nokia-n900-maemo-gsm-telephone that is *very* good news..well done Ian -- http://ianlawrence.info *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Android Was: Re: Tor on the Nokia N900 (Mobile Tor stuff)
Rich Jones wrote: > Jacob - Are you aware of TorProxy / Shadow Browser for Android - > http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/dtg/android/tor/ - is this going to > building on that? Either way, I'm excited. I've gotten quite good at > Android stuff and would be interested in helping out, if you need a > hand. Hi Rich, Yes - we've been somewhat in contact with the authors of TorProxy and Shadow Browser. They did great work and it's quite a slick pair of applications. However, the TorProxy in the Android market is absolutely unsafe to use. It is based on research code that was never intended for high security needs or real serious public use: http://archives.seul.org/or/java/Sep-2009/msg3.html Rather, we're working on building an Android package we've codenamed Orbot: https://svn.torproject.org/svn/projects/android/trunk/Orbot/ Orbot will replace the TorProxy component and it includes the C reference implementation of Tor. It will also ship with Privoxy (although we're also looking into Polipo) to provide an HTTP proxy as well as the normal SOCKS4A/5 proxy interface into the Tor network. We don't have a great solution for Shadow at this point and it's non-trivial to sew it into Orbot. Nathan has a better grasp on the Android internals that make the web browser component complicated across Android versions. Perhaps he'll weigh in on it... In any case, we're may move to a hybrid model for some mobile phones. It's easy to provide a compiled Tor binary (the C reference implementation) and a Java Tor implementation [0] in a single container. This should allow for greater compatibility and hopefully everyone will have better anonymity as a result. Best, Jake [0] http://github.com/brl/JTor signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Tor on the Nokia N900 (Mobile Tor stuff)
Jacob - Are you aware of TorProxy / Shadow Browser for Android - http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/dtg/android/tor/ - is this going to building on that? Either way, I'm excited. I've gotten quite good at Android stuff and would be interested in helping out, if you need a hand. Rich Jones anomos.info On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: >> Nice! I like n900 and prepare to buy one. What is the performance of To= > r on >> n900? Similar surfing speed? > > The performance of Tor is similar to any other Tor client - this is our > reference C implementation running on the N900. > > With that said - You may want to hold out and get an Android phone. > We're looking to do a release of Tor on Android next week. We have some > very promising alphas and it's quite exciting! > > Best, > Jake > > *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor on the Nokia N900 (Mobile Tor stuff)
The performance of Tor is similar to any other Tor client - this is our reference C implementation running on the N900. With that said - You may want to hold out and get an Android phone. We're looking to do a release of Tor on Android next week. We have some very promising alphas and it's quite exciting! Best, Jake signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Tor on the Nokia N900 (Mobile Tor stuff)
Nice! I like n900 and prepare to buy one. What is the performance of Tor on n900? Similar surfing speed? Xinwen Fu On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > Hi, > > I'm happy to announce that we've gotten Tor working as a client on the > Nokia N900 GSM telephone. We've written up a blog post and some > instructions. We'd love to get some feedback: > https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-nokia-n900-maemo-gsm-telephone > > We're working on some other awesome mobile Tor stuff. Let us know what > you'd like to see in the future! > > Best, > Jake > >
Tor on the Nokia N900 (Mobile Tor stuff)
Hi, I'm happy to announce that we've gotten Tor working as a client on the Nokia N900 GSM telephone. We've written up a blog post and some instructions. We'd love to get some feedback: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-nokia-n900-maemo-gsm-telephone We're working on some other awesome mobile Tor stuff. Let us know what you'd like to see in the future! Best, Jake signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
