Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0

[Programmer In Training]

On 12/30/2009 11:44 AM, Jim wrote:
> 
> 
> Programmer In Training wrote:
>> I've been testing some time out changes in FF to see if there is any
>> difference. So far I haven't seen any but I've yet to fully put it to
>> the test (I'm having problems with pages not fully loading, mainly on
>> techrepublic.com.com)
> 
> I've sometimes wondered if some websites were terminating connections
> themselves wen the connection took too long.  Of course, that would be
> the connection itself rather than setting up a circuit since the website
> wouldn't know about that.

That is actually quite possible, if so that's bad web server setup, in
my opinion. I'll email TR's webmaster(s) to see if they can shed any
light on that.



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Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0

[Jim]

Programmer In Training wrote:
> I've been testing some time out changes in FF to see if there is any
> difference. So far I haven't seen any but I've yet to fully put it to
> the test (I'm having problems with pages not fully loading, mainly on
> techrepublic.com.com)

I've sometimes wondered if some websites were terminating connections
themselves wen the connection took too long.  Of course, that would be
the connection itself rather than setting up a circuit since the website
wouldn't know about that.

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Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0

[Programmer In Training]

On 12/29/2009 9:55 PM, and...@torproject.org wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 09:12:10PM -0600, benn...@cs.niu.edu wrote 2.3K bytes 
> in 49 lines about:
> :  Does Thunderbird perchance have a way to set the timeout to a different
> : value?
> 
> There appear to a few ways to set the timeout, unsure which one matters
> for rss feed pulls over http over tor from TB3's perspective.
> 
> In the Config Editor, there is:
> 
> mailnews.tcptimeout set to 100
> network.proxy.failover_timeout set to 1800
> 
> Changing these doesn't seem to matter too much.  I set them to 9000 and
> there were still some test feeds that didn't load (blog.torproject.org
> oddly enough).

That's nice to know. ):

I've been testing some time out changes in FF to see if there is any
difference. So far I haven't seen any but I've yet to fully put it to
the test (I'm having problems with pages not fully loading, mainly on
techrepublic.com.com)

> : >> Hrm. So tor automatically blocks smtp connections by default and there
> : >> is local leakage of DNS by TB3. Guess it's time to find a new mail
> : >> client. ):
> 
> There is a config option named:
> network.proxy.socks_remote_dns which is set to false by default.
> Setting it to True does appear to work as intended.

It's odd that it works in TB3 and not FF. Perhaps I should have
restarted the browser before trying to load the hidden wiki.

> 
> And if you didn't catch it, the default Thunderbird Start Page (on
> WinXP) is
> http://live.mozillamessaging.com/thunderbird/start?locale=en-US&version=3.0&os=WINNT&buildid=20091204171430
> 
> When the socks proxy is set, this does go over tor correctly.


I will try it again this weekend. I am getting really busy this week and
don't want to have to worry about missing a timely email from a client
or coworker. I really can live with the feeds not polling correctly for now.



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Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0

[andrew]

On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 09:12:10PM -0600, benn...@cs.niu.edu wrote 2.3K bytes 
in 49 lines about:
:  Does Thunderbird perchance have a way to set the timeout to a different
: value?

There appear to a few ways to set the timeout, unsure which one matters
for rss feed pulls over http over tor from TB3's perspective.

In the Config Editor, there is:

mailnews.tcptimeout set to 100
network.proxy.failover_timeout set to 1800

Changing these doesn't seem to matter too much.  I set them to 9000 and
there were still some test feeds that didn't load (blog.torproject.org
oddly enough).

: >> Hrm. So tor automatically blocks smtp connections by default and there
: >> is local leakage of DNS by TB3. Guess it's time to find a new mail
: >> client. ):

There is a config option named:
network.proxy.socks_remote_dns which is set to false by default.
Setting it to True does appear to work as intended.

And if you didn't catch it, the default Thunderbird Start Page (on
WinXP) is
http://live.mozillamessaging.com/thunderbird/start?locale=en-US&version=3.0&os=WINNT&buildid=20091204171430

When the socks proxy is set, this does go over tor correctly.

:  I thought that, pursuant to a discussion here last year or the year
: before, the default exit policy was changed to allow the smtps port.  Did
: that change not get made after all?

According to policies.c line 841:
#define DEFAULT_EXIT_POLICY \
  "reject *:25,reject *:119,reject *:135-139,reject *:445," \
  "reject *:563,reject *:1214,reject *:4661-4666,"  \
  "reject *:6346-6429,reject *:6699,reject *:6881-6999,accept *:*"

it seems that tor does allow 465 by default.  Sorry for any confusion.
I should learn to RTFC first over my memory.

:  Does it have a way to choose SOCKS 4A instead of SOCKS 5?

It appears SOCKS 4 or 5 are the only options.  SOCKS 5 with the config
option network.proxy.socks_remote_dns set to true does work as intended.

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Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0

[Erilenz]

* on the Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 09:54:33AM -0600, Programmer In Training wrote:

>> r...@esse:~# grep '\*:465' /var/lib/tor/cached-descriptors|wc -l
>> 296
> 
> 
> God I hope you're not using your root account as your normal user account.

I don't, no. I just su'd to root to get access to /var/lib/tor

"drwx--S--- 3 debian-tor debian-tor 4096 2009-12-29 12:09 /var/lib/tor/" 

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Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0

[Programmer In Training]

On 12/29/2009 9:46 AM, Erilenz wrote:
> * on the Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 09:12:10PM -0600, Scott Bennett wrote:
> 
>>> Actually, no.  The default exit policy blocks smtp ports.  Sometimes,
>>> you can find exit nodes that allow smtp.  These are times are typically
>>> few and far between.
>>
>>  I thought that, pursuant to a discussion here last year or the year
>> before, the default exit policy was changed to allow the smtps port.  Did
>> that change not get made after all?
> 
> It did. Port 25 is rejected in the default policy, but 587 and 465 are not
> any longer:

I use 465 on 98-99% of my outgoing mail as a matter of policy even
before I started getting "security conscious", as it were.

> r...@esse:~# grep '\*:465' /var/lib/tor/cached-descriptors|wc -l
> 296


God I hope you're not using your root account as your normal user account.



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Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0

[Erilenz]

* on the Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 09:12:10PM -0600, Scott Bennett wrote:

>> Actually, no.  The default exit policy blocks smtp ports.  Sometimes,
>> you can find exit nodes that allow smtp.  These are times are typically
>> few and far between.
> 
>  I thought that, pursuant to a discussion here last year or the year
> before, the default exit policy was changed to allow the smtps port.  Did
> that change not get made after all?

It did. Port 25 is rejected in the default policy, but 587 and 465 are not
any longer:

r...@esse:~# grep '\*:465' /var/lib/tor/cached-descriptors|wc -l
296
r...@esse:~# grep '\*:587' /var/lib/tor/cached-descriptors|wc -l
297
r...@esse:~# grep '\*:25' /var/lib/tor/cached-descriptors|wc -l
1127
r...@esse:~# 

If you're using TLS on port 587 then some information will be sent in plain
text for the exit node to sniff. The welcome banner, and the EHLO
request/response. If you can use SSL on connect on port 465, then nothing
is sent in plain text.

Other than DNS leaks, you need to make sure Thunderbird doesn't leak any
other information in the EHLO or the headers when sending mail.

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Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0

[Programmer In Training]

On 12/28/2009 9:12 PM, Scott Bennett wrote:

>  Does Thunderbird perchance have a way to set the timeout to a different
> value?

Yes, hidden in the equivelant of about:config (options -> advanced ->
general tab -> config editor -> search for timeout). Timeouts seem big
enough (nothing under 100 seconds and that's for mailnews.tcptimout).


>  Does it have a way to choose SOCKS 4A instead of SOCKS 5?

Yes, but I hear that is sub-optimal.



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Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0

[Scott Bennett]

 On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:15:01 -0500 Andrew Lewman 
wrote:
>On 12/28/2009 03:48 PM, Programmer In Training wrote:
>> The RSS poller has some weird timeout when a
>>> feed can't be read via Tor.  However, TB3 just left the feed stale if it
>>> couldn't be updated when tor circuits took longer than 2-3 minutes to
>>> get the data.
>> 
>> That's pretty much what it does for me, leaves the feed stale (and
>> useless). I guess I'll have to get a third-party poller and use it in
>> the open.
>
>It depends if you want it updated every refresh.  Sometimes, tor doesn't
>build a circuit fast enough for TB3, so TB3 gives up and moves on.  I
>imagine overtime, you'll get your updates just fine.

 Does Thunderbird perchance have a way to set the timeout to a different
value?
>
>> Hrm. So tor automatically blocks smtp connections by default and there
>> is local leakage of DNS by TB3. Guess it's time to find a new mail
>> client. ):
>
>Actually, no.  The default exit policy blocks smtp ports.  Sometimes,
>you can find exit nodes that allow smtp.  These are times are typically
>few and far between.

 I thought that, pursuant to a discussion here last year or the year
before, the default exit policy was changed to allow the smtps port.  Did
that change not get made after all?
>
>I intend to dig through the tb3 source code a bit to see if there's an
>option for forcing dns resolution over the proxy.
>
 Does it have a way to choose SOCKS 4A instead of SOCKS 5?


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Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0

[Programmer In Training]

On 12/28/2009 3:15 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote:
> On 12/28/2009 03:48 PM, Programmer In Training wrote:

>> That's pretty much what it does for me, leaves the feed stale (and
>> useless). I guess I'll have to get a third-party poller and use it in
>> the open.
> 
> It depends if you want it updated every refresh.  Sometimes, tor doesn't
> build a circuit fast enough for TB3, so TB3 gives up and moves on.  I
> imagine overtime, you'll get your updates just fine.

I do, as most of my feeds are from a news paper (the Jerusalem Post, if
you're wondering, which seems to handle RSS weirdly anyway).

>> Hrm. So tor automatically blocks smtp connections by default and there
>> is local leakage of DNS by TB3. Guess it's time to find a new mail
>> client. ):
> 
> Actually, no.  The default exit policy blocks smtp ports.  Sometimes,
> you can find exit nodes that allow smtp.  These are times are typically
> few and far between.

I imagine it's because even s-smtp isn't as secure as it could be.

> I intend to dig through the tb3 source code a bit to see if there's an
> option for forcing dns resolution over the proxy.
> 

I believe it's the same as listed in the Wiki for FF BUT in FF it
doesn't work (I cannot resolve the .onion example link for the Hidden
Wiki with it set to true) so I imagine in any version of TB it doesn't
work (reliably anyway).



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Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0

[Andrew Lewman]

On 12/28/2009 03:48 PM, Programmer In Training wrote:
> The RSS poller has some weird timeout when a
>> feed can't be read via Tor.  However, TB3 just left the feed stale if it
>> couldn't be updated when tor circuits took longer than 2-3 minutes to
>> get the data.
> 
> That's pretty much what it does for me, leaves the feed stale (and
> useless). I guess I'll have to get a third-party poller and use it in
> the open.

It depends if you want it updated every refresh.  Sometimes, tor doesn't
build a circuit fast enough for TB3, so TB3 gives up and moves on.  I
imagine overtime, you'll get your updates just fine.

> Hrm. So tor automatically blocks smtp connections by default and there
> is local leakage of DNS by TB3. Guess it's time to find a new mail
> client. ):

Actually, no.  The default exit policy blocks smtp ports.  Sometimes,
you can find exit nodes that allow smtp.  These are times are typically
few and far between.

I intend to dig through the tb3 source code a bit to see if there's an
option for forcing dns resolution over the proxy.

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Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0

[Programmer In Training]

On 12/28/2009 2:35 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote:
> On 12/28/2009 01:18 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote:
>> I'm going to create a vm and load up tb3 to see what issues arise.  It
>> may be that much like firefox, the tb socks support is lacking.
> 
> I set this up and tested it.  The TB3 correctly used SOCKS
> localhost:9050 as socks 5 just fine.  It leaked dns, but otherwise the
> requests went over Tor.  The RSS poller has some weird timeout when a
> feed can't be read via Tor.  However, TB3 just left the feed stale if it
> couldn't be updated when tor circuits took longer than 2-3 minutes to
> get the data.

That's pretty much what it does for me, leaves the feed stale (and
useless). I guess I'll have to get a third-party poller and use it in
the open.

> As for mail, I could get imaps, pop3s to work over tor just fine.  There
> were no exit nodes allowing smtp or s-smtp through their exit policies
> when I was testing, so sending mail via tor didn't work (as expected).
> Again, dns leaked locally.
> 

Hrm. So tor automatically blocks smtp connections by default and there
is local leakage of DNS by TB3. Guess it's time to find a new mail
client. ):



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Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0

[Andrew Lewman]

On 12/28/2009 01:18 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote:
> I'm going to create a vm and load up tb3 to see what issues arise.  It
> may be that much like firefox, the tb socks support is lacking.

I set this up and tested it.  The TB3 correctly used SOCKS
localhost:9050 as socks 5 just fine.  It leaked dns, but otherwise the
requests went over Tor.  The RSS poller has some weird timeout when a
feed can't be read via Tor.  However, TB3 just left the feed stale if it
couldn't be updated when tor circuits took longer than 2-3 minutes to
get the data.

As for mail, I could get imaps, pop3s to work over tor just fine.  There
were no exit nodes allowing smtp or s-smtp through their exit policies
when I was testing, so sending mail via tor didn't work (as expected).
Again, dns leaked locally.

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Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0

[Programmer In Training]

On 12/28/2009 12:18 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote:
> On 12/28/2009 12:38 PM, Programmer In Training wrote:
>>> What happens if you set the http fields to 127.0.0.1:8118
>>> , and the SOCKS field to 127.0.0.1:9050
>>
>> I get all kinds of weird problems. The RSS poller acts up, connections
>> time out or not randomly, etc. OTOH, I have little to no problems
>> (except subscribing to or clicking on anything contained within RSS feed
>> that is available on the web page in question) with multiple field
>> settings in FF 3.6b4. Those problems aren't critical to my use of Tor
>> with FF though.
> 
> I'm going to create a vm and load up tb3 to see what issues arise.  It
> may be that much like firefox, the tb socks support is lacking.

I can recreate the issues I'm having and then screen-cap the setting I
was using, if you think that would help.

>>> Isn't Thunderbird known to be a `leaky' client? Of course, with a new
>>> version, its behaviour may have changed; but I was under the impression
>>> that it occasionally included the system's true IP address, hostname, or
>>> other identifying details in outgoing messages, or in communication with
>>> a mailserver. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Also, are extensions'

> easier to write a scrubbing smtp proxy that can cleanse your emails
> before being delivered to a mail server.

I'd use such a program in association with Vidalia, but I might have
some issues since I use GPG to sign all outgoing mail. Which reminds me,
I need to set up GPG to use Tor when looking up keys.



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Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0

[Andrew Lewman]

On 12/28/2009 12:38 PM, Programmer In Training wrote:
>> What happens if you set the http fields to 127.0.0.1:8118
>> , and the SOCKS field to 127.0.0.1:9050
> 
> I get all kinds of weird problems. The RSS poller acts up, connections
> time out or not randomly, etc. OTOH, I have little to no problems
> (except subscribing to or clicking on anything contained within RSS feed
> that is available on the web page in question) with multiple field
> settings in FF 3.6b4. Those problems aren't critical to my use of Tor
> with FF though.

I'm going to create a vm and load up tb3 to see what issues arise.  It
may be that much like firefox, the tb socks support is lacking.

>> Isn't Thunderbird known to be a `leaky' client? Of course, with a new
>> version, its behaviour may have changed; but I was under the impression
>> that it occasionally included the system's true IP address, hostname, or
>> other identifying details in outgoing messages, or in communication with
>> a mailserver. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Also, are extensions'

Yes, mail clients in general leak all sorts of data about you.
torbutton hasn't been kept up with thunderbird for a long time.  If
someone wants to write torbutton for thunderbird, or other clients,
we're willing to share our knowledge gained with firefox.  It may be
easier to write a scrubbing smtp proxy that can cleanse your emails
before being delivered to a mail server.


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Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0

[Programmer In Training]

On 12/28/2009 11:33 AM, Flamsmark wrote:
> 2009/12/27 Programmer In Training  >
> 
> On 12/27/2009 10:00 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote:
> 
> > Leave the http, https, ftp, ssl, gopher, whatever fields blank.  only
> > configure the socks field as "localhost:9050".  If thunderbird 3 has
> > proper socks support, it will only use the socks proxy on localhost,
> > port 9050 for access to the internet.
> 
> That setting causes my connection to time out and I cannot send/retrieve
> anything.
> 
> 
> What happens if you set the http fields to 127.0.0.1:8118
> , and the SOCKS field to 127.0.0.1:9050

I get all kinds of weird problems. The RSS poller acts up, connections
time out or not randomly, etc. OTOH, I have little to no problems
(except subscribing to or clicking on anything contained within RSS feed
that is available on the web page in question) with multiple field
settings in FF 3.6b4. Those problems aren't critical to my use of Tor
with FF though.

> ? What happens if you set the SOCKS field like
> this, but leave all other fields blank? Thunderbird may not know that
> `localhost' is shorthand for 127.0.0.1.

I never use the shorthand.

> Slightly off-topic, but broadly related:
> Isn't Thunderbird known to be a `leaky' client? Of course, with a new
> version, its behaviour may have changed; but I was under the impression
> that it occasionally included the system's true IP address, hostname, or
> other identifying details in outgoing messages, or in communication with
> a mailserver. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Also, are extensions'

Compare this message with some of my older ones to the list and compare.

> traffic piped through the main proxy settings, or are extension writers
> responsible for determining their own behaviour? I'd love to use
> Thunderbird with Tor, but not if its unsafe to do so. Given that
> Thunderbird and Firefox share extension architecture, is it possible to
> use TorButton with Thunderbird?

I already tried that and TorButton isn't compatible with TB (at least
not TB3).

> My apologies if this messages is out of date by the time it is received.
> It is send using a slow store-and-forward system. The emphasis is on the
> `store'.

no problem.



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Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0

[Flamsmark]

2009/12/27 Programmer In Training 

> On 12/27/2009 10:00 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote:
>
> > Leave the http, https, ftp, ssl, gopher, whatever fields blank.  only
> > configure the socks field as "localhost:9050".  If thunderbird 3 has
> > proper socks support, it will only use the socks proxy on localhost,
> > port 9050 for access to the internet.
>
> That setting causes my connection to time out and I cannot send/retrieve
> anything.
>

What happens if you set the http fields to 127.0.0.1:8118, and the SOCKS
field to 127.0.0.1:9050? What happens if you set the SOCKS field like this,
but leave all other fields blank? Thunderbird may not know that `localhost'
is shorthand for 127.0.0.1.

Slightly off-topic, but broadly related:
Isn't Thunderbird known to be a `leaky' client? Of course, with a new
version, its behaviour may have changed; but I was under the impression that
it occasionally included the system's true IP address, hostname, or other
identifying details in outgoing messages, or in communication with a
mailserver. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Also, are extensions' traffic
piped through the main proxy settings, or are extension writers responsible
for determining their own behaviour? I'd love to use Thunderbird with Tor,
but not if its unsafe to do so. Given that Thunderbird and Firefox share
extension architecture, is it possible to use TorButton with Thunderbird?


My apologies if this messages is out of date by the time it is received. It
is send using a slow store-and-forward system. The emphasis is on the
`store'.

Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0

[Programmer In Training]

On 12/27/2009 10:00 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote:
> On 12/27/2009 10:39 PM, Programmer In Training wrote:
>  > OK, now I'm confused. You say don't use :9050, but all your
>> documentation for FF, TB, and even Pidgin says use :9050
>>
>> Has this changed and the wiki just not updated to reflect this?
> 
> Yes, you are confused.  Let me try to clarify.
> 
> Leave the http, https, ftp, ssl, gopher, whatever fields blank.  only
> configure the socks field as "localhost:9050".  If thunderbird 3 has
> proper socks support, it will only use the socks proxy on localhost,
> port 9050 for access to the internet.
> 
> I haven't used thunderbird 3, so I may be completely off base.
> 

That setting causes my connection to time out and I cannot send/retrieve
anything.



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Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0

[Programmer In Training]

On 12/27/2009 10:00 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote:
> On 12/27/2009 10:39 PM, Programmer In Training wrote:
>  > OK, now I'm confused. You say don't use :9050, but all your
>> documentation for FF, TB, and even Pidgin says use :9050
>>
>> Has this changed and the wiki just not updated to reflect this?
> 
> Yes, you are confused.  Let me try to clarify.
> 
> Leave the http, https, ftp, ssl, gopher, whatever fields blank.  only
> configure the socks field as "localhost:9050".  If thunderbird 3 has
> proper socks support, it will only use the socks proxy on localhost,
> port 9050 for access to the internet.

OK, that totally contradicts the wiki. Going to configure that now and
send myself a test email.

> I haven't used thunderbird 3, so I may be completely off base.
> 

*shrugs* First time I'm using proxy software, so I wouldn't know.



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Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0

[Andrew Lewman]

On 12/27/2009 10:39 PM, Programmer In Training wrote:
 > OK, now I'm confused. You say don't use :9050, but all your
> documentation for FF, TB, and even Pidgin says use :9050
> 
> Has this changed and the wiki just not updated to reflect this?

Yes, you are confused.  Let me try to clarify.

Leave the http, https, ftp, ssl, gopher, whatever fields blank.  only
configure the socks field as "localhost:9050".  If thunderbird 3 has
proper socks support, it will only use the socks proxy on localhost,
port 9050 for access to the internet.

I haven't used thunderbird 3, so I may be completely off base.

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Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0

[Programmer In Training]

On 12/27/2009 8:59 PM, and...@torproject.org wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:19:35PM -0600, p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us wrote 2.1K 
> bytes in 48 lines about:
> : feeds are polled (the new topics are displayed but not readable). I get
> : an error saying that Tor is not an HTTP transport proxy or some such (I
> 
> Right, Tor is a socks proxy, not an http proxy.  You may have
> mis-configured the proxy settings in thunderbird 3 to use localhost:9050
> for the http and https protocols.  


OK, now I'm confused. You say don't use :9050, but all your
documentation for FF, TB, and even Pidgin says use :9050

Has this changed and the wiki just not updated to reflect this?



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Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0

[Programmer In Training]

On 12/27/2009 8:59 PM, and...@torproject.org wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:19:35PM -0600, p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us wrote 2.1K 
> bytes in 48 lines about:
> : feeds are polled (the new topics are displayed but not readable). I get
> : an error saying that Tor is not an HTTP transport proxy or some such (I
> 
> Right, Tor is a socks proxy, not an http proxy.  You may have
> mis-configured the proxy settings in thunderbird 3 to use localhost:9050
> for the http and https protocols.  

I did, but even when I use 8118 (the control panel gives the port of
9051), I still have problems with both email and RSS retrieval.

> : Is this normal behavior? If so, why? This isn't covered in your online docs.
> 
> It is.  What may not be covered is Thunderbird 3 specifically, since
> it's new and we rely upon volunteers to tell others how to configure
> various programs.   And as you've discovered, tor tells you it isn't an
> http proxy.
> 

In Pidgin, my IM client of choice, I have only a few problems (AIM and
ICQ says its been getting too many connect requests from me) setting it
to HTTP proxy with port 8118 (if this is an incorrect setting, I can
change it to socks5).

I'll try once again to set it as a socks5 proxy in Thunderbird 3. I was
just copying the settings that TorButton uses in Firefox 3.6b4.



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Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0

[andrew]

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:19:35PM -0600, p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us wrote 2.1K 
bytes in 48 lines about:
: feeds are polled (the new topics are displayed but not readable). I get
: an error saying that Tor is not an HTTP transport proxy or some such (I

Right, Tor is a socks proxy, not an http proxy.  You may have
mis-configured the proxy settings in thunderbird 3 to use localhost:9050
for the http and https protocols.  

: Is this normal behavior? If so, why? This isn't covered in your online docs.

It is.  What may not be covered is Thunderbird 3 specifically, since
it's new and we rely upon volunteers to tell others how to configure
various programs.   And as you've discovered, tor tells you it isn't an
http proxy.

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The Tor Project
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Re: Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0

[Ted Smith]

On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 23:19 -0600, Programmer In Training wrote:
> I get
> an error saying that Tor is not an HTTP transport proxy or some such
> (I
> forget the exact message, this happened hours ago). 

This comes from a program using Tor as an HTTP proxy. It presents itself
as a SOCKS proxy. If this was from Thunderbird, you probably just have
it pointing at Tor (by default, localhost:9050) rather than at Privoxy
(localhost:8118) in the HTTP Proxy field in the configuration.


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Vidalia Bundle and RSS in Thunderbird 3.0

[Programmer In Training]

I use my email client (Thunderbird 3.0) to check my mail and handle most
of my RSS feeds (since sage is no longer an extension for Firefox). For
some reason I cannot read my feeds (they display as webpage in
Thunderbird with a link to bring me to the site if I want) when the
feeds are polled (the new topics are displayed but not readable). I get
an error saying that Tor is not an HTTP transport proxy or some such (I
forget the exact message, this happened hours ago). Right now I think I
have a connection setup that works, but I encountered another issue. I
cannot use Tor at all with my podcast catcher (Juice). It simply will
not read the RSS feed (I don't know what type of RSS it is) of one site,
and when I click on the mp3 to download from the site, I get an error
message from Tor.

Is this normal behavior? If so, why? This isn't covered in your online docs.

Thanks in advance for the help.

PIT



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