Re: Vidalia exit-country and Hulu
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Flamsmark wrote: > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:02, Brian Mearns wrote: >> >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 7:26 PM, bao song >> wrote: >> > >> > Some time ago (2008) I read about a Canadian who used Tor to view Hulu. >> > >> > I tried it from outside the US, and it worked, but the speed was too >> > slow for me to use it regularly. Today, a clip from Hulu was highly >> > recommended by the New York Times, so I tried again: Hulu now tries to >> > block >> > all attempts to connect via Tor. I tried two US exits, and both were >> > blocked. >> > >> > Of course, the idea of Tor is NOT to allow people to watch high >> > bandwidth commercial videos restricted to US audiences, but to allow people >> > who need privacy to obtain it. >> [clip] >> >> You seem to understand the burden such activities place on the Tor >> network, in which case I'm curious what reason one might have for >> accessing Hulu anonymously? (Genuine question, not a snide comment) >> > If such material (western TV) is deemed inappropriate by the local > authorities, then you wouldn't want them to know that you were accessing it. > It might not be of life-or-death importance that you did manage to access it > for entertainment, but you would nonetheless desire anonymity. [clip] Understood, thank you for informing me. =) -Brian -- Feel free to contact me using PGP Encryption: Key Id: 0x3AA70848 Available from: http://keys.gnupg.net
Re: Vidalia exit-country and Hulu
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:02, Brian Mearns wrote: > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 7:26 PM, bao song > wrote: > > > > Some time ago (2008) I read about a Canadian who used Tor to view Hulu. > > > > I tried it from outside the US, and it worked, but the speed was too slow > for me to use it regularly. Today, a clip from Hulu was highly recommended > by the New York Times, so I tried again: Hulu now tries to block all > attempts to connect via Tor. I tried two US exits, and both were blocked. > > > > Of course, the idea of Tor is NOT to allow people to watch high bandwidth > commercial videos restricted to US audiences, but to allow people who need > privacy to obtain it. > [clip] > > You seem to understand the burden such activities place on the Tor > network, in which case I'm curious what reason one might have for > accessing Hulu anonymously? (Genuine question, not a snide comment) > > If such material (western TV) is deemed inappropriate by the local authorities, then you wouldn't want them to know that you were accessing it. It might not be of life-or-death importance that you did manage to access it for entertainment, but you would nonetheless desire anonymity. > -Brian > > -- > Feel free to contact me using PGP Encryption: > Key Id: 0x3AA70848 > Available from: http://keys.gnupg.net >
Re: Vidalia exit-country and Hulu
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 7:26 PM, bao song wrote: > > Some time ago (2008) I read about a Canadian who used Tor to view Hulu. > > I tried it from outside the US, and it worked, but the speed was too slow for > me to use it regularly. Today, a clip from Hulu was highly recommended by the > New York Times, so I tried again: Hulu now tries to block all attempts to > connect via Tor. I tried two US exits, and both were blocked. > > Of course, the idea of Tor is NOT to allow people to watch high bandwidth > commercial videos restricted to US audiences, but to allow people who need > privacy to obtain it. [clip] You seem to understand the burden such activities place on the Tor network, in which case I'm curious what reason one might have for accessing Hulu anonymously? (Genuine question, not a snide comment) -Brian -- Feel free to contact me using PGP Encryption: Key Id: 0x3AA70848 Available from: http://keys.gnupg.net
Re: Vidalia exit-country and Hulu
* on the Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 04:26:24PM -0700, bao song wrote: > Some time ago (2008) I read about a Canadian who used Tor to view > Hulu. > > I tried it from outside the US, and it worked, but the speed was too > slow for me to use it regularly. Today, a clip from Hulu was highly > recommended by the New York Times, so I tried again: Hulu now tries to > block all attempts to connect via Tor. I tried two US exits, and both > were blocked. > > Of course, the idea of Tor is NOT to allow people to watch high > bandwidth commercial videos restricted to US audiences, but to allow > people who need privacy to obtain it. > > Still, it was nice to be able to use tor to access Hulu while it > lasted. If you shop around, you'll find you can get a virtual server in the US for just a few dollars a month. If you bounce your connection through one of those, it'll be a lot faster too. You could even split the cost if you know other people who would want access. -- Erilenz
Re: Vidalia exit-country and Hulu
Some time ago (2008) I read about a Canadian who used Tor to view Hulu. I tried it from outside the US, and it worked, but the speed was too slow for me to use it regularly. Today, a clip from Hulu was highly recommended by the New York Times, so I tried again: Hulu now tries to block all attempts to connect via Tor. I tried two US exits, and both were blocked. Of course, the idea of Tor is NOT to allow people to watch high bandwidth commercial videos restricted to US audiences, but to allow people who need privacy to obtain it. Still, it was nice to be able to use tor to access Hulu while it lasted. __ Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: Vidalia exit-country
Camilo Viecco wrote: 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: What a great idea! Thank you for working on this!! And thanks to Google for supporting this project. Sadly, I get a clean linux compilation, but no extra tab. Is there an additional dependency? e.g. geoip? TIA gcc-3.4.6, glibc-2.6.1 There are no other dependencies expect a recent version of tor. Maybe is a terminology issue. Check if on the 'settings' page you find a button named 'Node Policy'. If you find it click on it and enable 'Enable Vidalia Relay Policy Management', then enable 'Strict Exit Relay Management' You should be set. Let me know of you have more problems Camilo Thanks for replying! Still no success. I tried both the posted source, and the svn. Could there be some outdated source code at both places? The top line of the changelog looks like this; no mention of exit-country: 0.1.8 xx-xxx-2008 o Reduce the default number of messages to retain in the message log to 50 messages. Most people never look at the window and the extra 200 messages just needlessly eat memory. 0.1.7 02-Aug-2008 o Handle spaces in the Tor version number we get from 'getinfo version' since Tor has included svn revision numbers in its response (e.g. "0.2.0.30 (r12345)") for a while now. TIA
Re: Vidalia exit-country
Ok, Camilo, let me get this straight.
1) Strict Exit Relay Management is for limited the exit node to one country.
2) Exclude Relay Management, is for excluding certain countries, but does it
exclude it as a exit node or as a TOR node?
Also, will it still form a connection yet not use it? Or should it not even
form a connection?
Here's my problem. I have excluded USA and UK from the dropdown list using
ctrl key as you said and added them, but i see that connections are still
formed with them as a TOR node and also as exit nodes.
NOt only that, I also noticed that it even routed my request through an exit
node through UK, specifically:
achaycock (Online)
Location:
London, GB
IP Address:
78.86.55.121
Platform:
Tor 0.1.2.19 on Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 2 [server] {terminal
services, single user} {terminal services}
Bandwidth:
111 KB/s
Uptime:
13 hours 20 mins 22 secs
Last Updated:
2008-08-21 04:03:38 GMT
What am i doing wrong?
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 5:18 AM, Camilo Viecco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello M
>
> Thanks for giving it a try. I have comments inline
>
> M wrote:
>
>> Hello friends I'm new on the list. I hope you bear with my questions and
>> problems.
>>
>> I just installed Camilo's version of Vidalia, and it seems i have a couple
>> of problems:
>>
>> 1) You can only exclude one country from the "invalidnodes" settings.
>>
> You can do multiple selections by pressing the 'Control (ctrl)' button when
> selecting
> the second (or next) country.
>
>>
>>
>> 2) You have to exclude it every time you start vidalia (it does not save
>> the settings)
>>
>> Are these bugs in my installation, or is the program like this?
>>
> It is a bug in the program. Exit countries should be saved. Thanks for
> finding it. I will fix it in a few days.
>
>>
>> 3) Also, how much does this reduce anonymity?
>>
>
> Placing any restrictions on the nodes most likely will reduce your
> anonymity. In particular limiting
> the exit country significanly reduces your anonymity as it is much cheaper
> for an attacker to place
> nodes in that country and thus your probability of selecting a 'bad' exit
> is higher.
> Reducining the number of other nodes could 'possibly' be bad for your
> anonymity. Part
> of Tor's attacker model assumes that there are many attackers that will not
> cooperate with each other.
> There might be more academic studies about these effects, but none come to
> my mind at the moment.
> Will let the list give you the pointers.
> (I think 2007 PETS IX attack on Tor would be a place to start
> (http://www.freehaven.net/anonbib/cache/murdoch-pet2007.pdf))
>
> Thank you for noticing AND submitting about the bug
>
> Camilo
>
Re: Vidalia exit-country
Thanks for the info! On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 5:18 AM, Camilo Viecco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello M > > Thanks for giving it a try. I have comments inline > > M wrote: > >> Hello friends I'm new on the list. I hope you bear with my questions and >> problems. >> >> I just installed Camilo's version of Vidalia, and it seems i have a couple >> of problems: >> >> 1) You can only exclude one country from the "invalidnodes" settings. >> > You can do multiple selections by pressing the 'Control (ctrl)' button when > selecting > the second (or next) country. > >> >> >> 2) You have to exclude it every time you start vidalia (it does not save >> the settings) >> >> Are these bugs in my installation, or is the program like this? >> > It is a bug in the program. Exit countries should be saved. Thanks for > finding it. I will fix it in a few days. > >> >> 3) Also, how much does this reduce anonymity? >> > > Placing any restrictions on the nodes most likely will reduce your > anonymity. In particular limiting > the exit country significanly reduces your anonymity as it is much cheaper > for an attacker to place > nodes in that country and thus your probability of selecting a 'bad' exit > is higher. > Reducining the number of other nodes could 'possibly' be bad for your > anonymity. Part > of Tor's attacker model assumes that there are many attackers that will not > cooperate with each other. > There might be more academic studies about these effects, but none come to > my mind at the moment. > Will let the list give you the pointers. > (I think 2007 PETS IX attack on Tor would be a place to start > (http://www.freehaven.net/anonbib/cache/murdoch-pet2007.pdf)) > > Thank you for noticing AND submitting about the bug > > Camilo >
Re: Vidalia exit-country
Hello M Thanks for giving it a try. I have comments inline M wrote: Hello friends I'm new on the list. I hope you bear with my questions and problems. I just installed Camilo's version of Vidalia, and it seems i have a couple of problems: 1) You can only exclude one country from the "invalidnodes" settings. You can do multiple selections by pressing the 'Control (ctrl)' button when selecting the second (or next) country. 2) You have to exclude it every time you start vidalia (it does not save the settings) Are these bugs in my installation, or is the program like this? It is a bug in the program. Exit countries should be saved. Thanks for finding it. I will fix it in a few days. 3) Also, how much does this reduce anonymity? Placing any restrictions on the nodes most likely will reduce your anonymity. In particular limiting the exit country significanly reduces your anonymity as it is much cheaper for an attacker to place nodes in that country and thus your probability of selecting a 'bad' exit is higher. Reducining the number of other nodes could 'possibly' be bad for your anonymity. Part of Tor's attacker model assumes that there are many attackers that will not cooperate with each other. There might be more academic studies about these effects, but none come to my mind at the moment. Will let the list give you the pointers. (I think 2007 PETS IX attack on Tor would be a place to start (http://www.freehaven.net/anonbib/cache/murdoch-pet2007.pdf)) Thank you for noticing AND submitting about the bug Camilo
Re: Vidalia exit-country
7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: What a great idea! Thank you for working on this!! And thanks to Google for supporting this project. Sadly, I get a clean linux compilation, but no extra tab. Is there an additional dependency? e.g. geoip? TIA gcc-3.4.6, glibc-2.6.1 There are no other dependencies expect a recent version of tor. Maybe is a terminology issue. Check if on the 'settings' page you find a button named 'Node Policy'. If you find it click on it and enable 'Enable Vidalia Relay Policy Management', then enable 'Strict Exit Relay Management' You should be set. Let me know of you have more problems Camilo
Re: Vidalia exit-country
Hello friends I'm new on the list. I hope you bear with my questions and problems. I just installed Camilo's version of Vidalia, and it seems i have a couple of problems: 1) You can only exclude one country from the "invalidnodes" settings. 2) You have to exclude it every time you start vidalia (it does not save the settings) Are these bugs in my installation, or is the program like this? 3) Also, how much does this reduce anonymity?
Re: Vidalia exit-country
Camilo Viecco wrote: Hello Maillist As part of the 'google summer of code'(gsoc) I was able to add some of blossom's functionality to vidalia. The project consisted of adding a 'select exit by country' option to vidalia so that users could leverage the Tor network to select the 'perspective' of the network the wished to have. The idea is that many entities select their content based on the traffic ip address 'source' and users might like to have different perspectives easily controlled by them. The project added a new 'tab' on the vidalia's settings window where users can select a country from where they want to 'exit'. Users can also select countries they would like to avoid. There is no Tor version prerequiste to use this tool. This exit aware vidalia version has been tested on windows xp(mingw), linux (2.6-386) and OsX(leopard-ppc) with both Qt 4.3.5 and 4.4.1. Binary packages from windows(Thanks to Matt Edman) are available at: http://vidalia-project.net:8001/vidalia/vidalia-0.1.8-svn-exit-country.exe http://vidalia-project.net:8001/vidalia/vidalia-0.1.8-svn-exit-country.exe.asc Unix tarballs are available at: http://www.vidalia-project.net/dist/exit-country.tar.gz http://www.vidalia-project.net/dist/exit-country.tar.gz.asc The source code can also be downloaded from the vidalia svn by doing: svn co https://svn.vidalia-project.net/svn/vidalia/branches/exit-country exit-country-vidalia Building instructions and prerequsites are the same as vidalia. The build requires cmake and qt. The complete build instructions can be found at: http://trac.vidalia-project.net/wiki/InstallSource Have a nice summer Camilo Viecco / GPG (GPG) Key fingerprint = 0781 10A0 44CC C441 594F E5A9 858A 173E 3EC5 EA42 / What a great idea! Thank you for working on this!! And thanks to Google for supporting this project. Sadly, I get a clean linux compilation, but no extra tab. Is there an additional dependency? e.g. geoip? TIA gcc-3.4.6, glibc-2.6.1
Re: Vidalia exit-country
Hi, Thank you for this GREAT feature :) I tried it on win XP (SP3) but the country flags never show up (even after a fdew hours running), and the same thing than Dawney: The dropdown list of countries contained one country only, named "(??)(597)" Seems that the GeoIP base is never loaded? I tried also after deleting all TOR files, no change.
Re: Vidalia exit-country
Hi Dawney If you have never run it before (or run it for a few days) the entries in the cache will be invalid. Leave it as is for about 30 seconds and the system will automatically refresh the entries once it has downloaded the geoip information from vidalia's geoip servers. If you still have problems, you can contact me offline to check what could be the cause of the problem. Just a little patiance (during startup) and thanks for giving it a try Camilo Dawney Smith wrote: Camilo Viecco wrote: As part of the 'google summer of code'(gsoc) I was able to add some of blossom's functionality to vidalia. The project consisted of adding a 'select exit by country' option to vidalia so that users could leverage the Tor network to select the 'perspective' of the network the wished to have. The idea is that many entities select their content based on the traffic ip address 'source' and users might like to have different perspectives easily controlled by them. I just downloaded/compiled/installed the Linux version on my Ubuntu system and went to choose a country to use. The dropdown list of countries contained one country only, named "(??)(626)"
Re: Vidalia exit-country
Camilo Viecco wrote: > As part of the 'google summer of code'(gsoc) I was able to add some of > blossom's functionality to vidalia. The project consisted of adding a 'select > exit by country' option to vidalia so that users could leverage the Tor > network to select the 'perspective' of the network the wished to have. The > idea is that many entities select their content based on the traffic ip > address 'source' and users might like to have different perspectives easily > controlled by them. I just downloaded/compiled/installed the Linux version on my Ubuntu system and went to choose a country to use. The dropdown list of countries contained one country only, named "(??)(626)" -- Dawn
Re: Vidalia exit-country
Awesome! Thank you very much! - Kyle On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Camilo Viecco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Maillist > > As part of the 'google summer of code'(gsoc) I was able to add some of > blossom's functionality to vidalia. The project consisted of adding a > 'select exit by country' option to vidalia so that users could leverage the > Tor network to select the 'perspective' of the network the wished to have. > The idea is that many entities select their content based on the traffic ip > address 'source' and users might like to have different perspectives easily > controlled by them. > > The project added a new 'tab' on the vidalia's settings window where users > can select a country from where they want to 'exit'. Users can also select > countries they would like to avoid. There is no Tor version prerequiste to > use this tool. > > This exit aware vidalia version has been tested on windows xp(mingw), linux > (2.6-386) and OsX(leopard-ppc) with both Qt 4.3.5 and 4.4.1. > > > Binary packages from windows(Thanks to Matt Edman) are available at: > > > http://vidalia-project.net:8001/vidalia/vidalia-0.1.8-svn-exit-country.exe > > http://vidalia-project.net:8001/vidalia/vidalia-0.1.8-svn-exit-country.exe.asc > > > Unix tarballs are available at: > > http://www.vidalia-project.net/dist/exit-country.tar.gz > http://www.vidalia-project.net/dist/exit-country.tar.gz.asc > > > The source code can also be downloaded from the vidalia svn by doing: > > svn co > https://svn.vidalia-project.net/svn/vidalia/branches/exit-countryexit-country-vidalia > > > Building instructions and prerequsites are the same as vidalia. The > build requires cmake and qt. > The complete build instructions can be found at: > > http://trac.vidalia-project.net/wiki/InstallSource > > Have a nice summer > > Camilo Viecco > / > GPG (GPG) Key fingerprint = 0781 10A0 44CC C441 594F E5A9 858A 173E 3EC5 > EA42 > / > > >
Vidalia exit-country
Hello Maillist As part of the 'google summer of code'(gsoc) I was able to add some of blossom's functionality to vidalia. The project consisted of adding a 'select exit by country' option to vidalia so that users could leverage the Tor network to select the 'perspective' of the network the wished to have. The idea is that many entities select their content based on the traffic ip address 'source' and users might like to have different perspectives easily controlled by them. The project added a new 'tab' on the vidalia's settings window where users can select a country from where they want to 'exit'. Users can also select countries they would like to avoid. There is no Tor version prerequiste to use this tool. This exit aware vidalia version has been tested on windows xp(mingw), linux (2.6-386) and OsX(leopard-ppc) with both Qt 4.3.5 and 4.4.1. Binary packages from windows(Thanks to Matt Edman) are available at: http://vidalia-project.net:8001/vidalia/vidalia-0.1.8-svn-exit-country.exe http://vidalia-project.net:8001/vidalia/vidalia-0.1.8-svn-exit-country.exe.asc Unix tarballs are available at: http://www.vidalia-project.net/dist/exit-country.tar.gz http://www.vidalia-project.net/dist/exit-country.tar.gz.asc The source code can also be downloaded from the vidalia svn by doing: svn co https://svn.vidalia-project.net/svn/vidalia/branches/exit-country exit-country-vidalia Building instructions and prerequsites are the same as vidalia. The build requires cmake and qt. The complete build instructions can be found at: http://trac.vidalia-project.net/wiki/InstallSource Have a nice summer Camilo Viecco / GPG (GPG) Key fingerprint = 0781 10A0 44CC C441 594F E5A9 858A 173E 3EC5 EA42 /
