Re: Why is TorButton and not FoxyProxy so much supported by the tor project?

2008-01-12 Thread Jo
On 10/01/2008, kazaam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 With TorButton I see many problems:
  * People use Tor and surfe the web. They then wanna visit a page they trust 
 and switch off TorButton. On this page they visit a link or so and forget 
 about not using tor anymore and are possibly redirected to somewhere they 
 don't want to be visible.
  * Someone visits a webpage he thinks he can trust without tor but the domain 
 went down before and is now redirecting to some jerks. Something similar 
 happend with dl.am a few weeks ago..
  * Or some xss is going on and some hostile webserver gets their IP through 
 an iframe and kinds of that.
  * Surfing two websites, one with tor and the other not at the same time is 
 nearly impossible with torbutton. I know I can start loading a page with 
 torbutton and then deactivate torbutton and start loading another page and 
 the first one still loads to the end with using tor but at the moment I wanna 
 click a link there I'm fucked...

Never used Foxy Proxy so I can't compare, but just for a slightly
different perspective ...

Points 14: I use multiple Firefox profiles - one for Tor, others for
various different categories of sites (trusted, non-trusted, GMail,
...) which have different security settings.  Means more memory/disk
use but also clearly delineates usage.  At least in my mind.

Points 23: I run two instances on Privoxy - one for Tor, one for
everything else.  Again, more memory/disk, but worth the effort.

I like the idea of knowing exactly how a browser instance is going to
connect to a web server, without having to remember whether or not
I've previously white listed it.

Jo


Re: Why is TorButton and not FoxyProxy so much supported by the tor project?

2008-01-09 Thread Alexander W. Janssen
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kazaam schrieb:
 Hi, I myself am using the foxyproxy plugin and not torbutton. With
 foxyproxy I simply make a blacklistrule which routes evertyhing
 through tor and only whitelist pages I'm really trusting.
 
 With TorButton I see many problems:
[...]

To make a long story short, the new development-version of Torbutton has
improved dramatically. See
http://itnomad.wordpress.com/2008/01/02/try-new-torbutton-firefox-plugin/
for instance. (shameless advertisement for my blog;)

Cheers, Alex.
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Why is TorButton and not FoxyProxy so much supported by the tor project?

2008-01-09 Thread kazaam
Hi,
I myself am using the foxyproxy plugin and not torbutton. With foxyproxy I 
simply make a blacklistrule which routes evertyhing through tor and only 
whitelist pages I'm really trusting.

With TorButton I see many problems:
 * People use Tor and surfe the web. They then wanna visit a page they trust 
and switch off TorButton. On this page they visit a link or so and forget about 
not using tor anymore and are possibly redirected to somewhere they don't want 
to be visible. 
 * Someone visits a webpage he thinks he can trust without tor but the domain 
went down before and is now redirecting to some jerks. Something similar 
happend with dl.am a few weeks ago..
 * Or some xss is going on and some hostile webserver gets their IP through an 
iframe and kinds of that.
 * Surfing two websites, one with tor and the other not at the same time is 
nearly impossible with torbutton. I know I can start loading a page with 
torbutton and then deactivate torbutton and start loading another page and the 
first one still loads to the end with using tor but at the moment I wanna click 
a link there I'm fucked...

All these are things which you don't have to be afraid when using foxyproxy. 
When you leave your trusted page willing or not or some iframe comes from 
another domain...you are still save.

What can Torbutton better? Okay I have to confess its a bit easier to configure 
but also this is no great advantage. The time developing tor-button could have 
been used to ship a default-tor config for foxproxy. So foxyproxy isn't that 
hard to configure in contrast to torbutton and you could as said make it even 
simpler by shippen a default-tor config.

The next thing I heard about in Roger Dingledines speach at the 24c3 is that 
they now are going to reinvent the wheel in torbutton :) They are planning to 
include the feature of noscipt,cookiesafe,refcontrol and modifyheader in 
Torbutton. First I have to say that I'm long time waiting for all these plugins 
being gathered in one tool, all sharing the same white-and blacklists and so 
on. But will Torbutton finally have the ability to black-and whitelist pages?
 
greets


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