Re: [OT] Anonymous payment [was Re: shinjiru closed exit node acceptnolimits]
Hello, So think out a name, address, etc. (just for the card) and you can get one e.g. at card444.com. do you have other virtual credit card issuers you recommend? this is the first i've heard of this service. Other issuers can be found by e.g. searching for prepaid and virtual. Other issuers, that I recommend ... after I found this issuer and because I have had no problems with them I stopped ordering/testing other cards/issuers. So my experiences with the others are rather out of date. the fees for this card are quite significant[1], are there places more reasonable? At www.www-card.com there are less fees, BUT a real visa card (as far as I know) is needed to buy/upload virtual cards. At www.visacreditcards.cashbusinessopportunity.com the fees are a little smaller, but in the same magnitude. I don't know if these places are more resonable. If you are going to test some other cards/issuers, please mail your results. [As I mentioned above, with the card444 cards I never had any problems with the (extensive) fraud checks done by some shops.] Bye accept no limits
[OT] Anonymous payment [was Re: shinjiru closed exit node acceptnolimits]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 accept no limits @ 2008/01/03 12:41: shinjiru explicitly allows anonymous hosting. how does anonymous money transfer work in this case? I got this question in personal mails after my posting, too. yes this is a rather useful topic. So here a (short) answer: They do not accept anonymous money, BUT the accept visa cards, and especially they accept virtual prepaid visa cards. So think out a name, address, etc. (just for the card) and you can get one e.g. at card444.com. do you have other virtual credit card issuers you recommend? this is the first i've heard of this service. the fees for this card are quite significant[1], are there places more reasonable? Bye accept no limits thanks for the info. 1. http://card444.com/faqs.html#10 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFHhXmnXhfCJNu98qARCHEbAKDkLCYiyJl7SxCsteCAooHiaFw8owCgsftN 1xIapT62RQu6bOP8tI8iGks= =9Qbv -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: shinjiru closed exit node acceptnolimits
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 accept no limits schrieb: Now the server has new IPs and this exit node will soon be back. Congratulations! Bye accept no limits Alex. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUBR4OxdRYlVVSQ3uFxAQL7EgQAqQUPYZLGzK2rBDOXBNl3kCzma/8wKAGc 8x2TqmtGPQ2f/wUE42C81hs0nP9/hFp5QKUl9wXaGNyvnJ9Au3qYy78lT8+ywTvI uVveJWRyTueeCFqFxqCd/r+9lYtyGjn2VDxTJNRWw/0IC+F1IUfJl3QZ71VoqVtJ FxzEQf9hjGU= =ggIF -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: shinjiru closed exit node acceptnolimits
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 08:17:13PM +0300, accept no limits wrote: Hello everybody, here an update. unsuspended. So I don't know why it was suspended and I don't know why it was unsuspended. Nevermind... Now the server has new IPs and this exit node will soon be back. Bye accept no limits Perfect and good to know! Congratulations ! Hans
Re: shinjiru closed exit node acceptnolimits
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:41:56PM +0300, accept no limits wrote: shinjiru explicitly allows anonymous hosting. how does anonymous money transfer work in this case? I got this question in personal mails after my posting, too. So here a (short) answer: They do not accept anonymous money, BUT the accept visa cards, and especially they accept virtual prepaid visa cards. So think out a name, address, etc. (just for the card) and you can get one e.g. at card444.com. How to pay card444.com anonymously? Take a look at their webpage and choose a method you think it's anonymous. And of course, use tor all the times ... === cut Somebody out there, PLEASE, to give some hints/answer to my ORIGINAL question? Original question?? Yes, my original question: Can somebody recommend a Non-US and Non-EU server provider (dedicated server) that has no problems if the server is used as tor exit node? Hi, just a possible provider, accoreding to their website you should even be able to do something like anonymous payments. Please take a look at : http://www.wrzhost.com The appear to have a mixed reputation about their reliability and speed, but this is completely untested, so not a recommendation but a hint. accept no limits Regards Hans
Re: shinjiru closed exit node acceptnolimits
Hello, So think out a name, address, etc. (just for the card) and you can get one e.g. at card444.com. Cool; is it possible to have an paypal account with such a prepaid credit card? You may have noticed their FAQ-section with e.g. the 12th question: http://card444.com/faqs.html#12 And are there other alternatives for paying anonymously? You have had a look at their main page with the many icons what payment methods they accept? To name the simplest one (be careful this is a personal opinion): Ukash (just get 19digit numbers and pay with them), although it is very difficult if you don't live in UK, France, Germany, Ireland, Netherlands or Spain to find a shop selling Ukash numbers. Perhaps you have a friend there who buys the numbers and mails them to you. Bye
shinjiru closed exit node acceptnolimits
Hello everybody, on the 1st of January 2008 the web server provider shinjiru (Malaysia) kicked my exit node acceptnolimits (traffic about 10 GB per day) because of abuse. Before the contract (serveral months ago) I asked if they have a problem with tor running on their servers (exit node) and they answered you are most welcome. Up to now they have not answered my questions (about what happended). Now I am looking for a new server provider. I asked iweb8.com, but they told me, tor is only allowed as long as nobody complains. Hence you can count the days until you get kicked there. Does anybody here know a kick-save provider outside the US and outside the EU, where it's possible to run tor exit node servers? What is the price per month? Bye accept no limits
Re: shinjiru closed exit node acceptnolimits
A good response might be to write a letter to the hosting company, have you tried that? Also, a letter-writing solidarity campaign might make them think twice before hurting tor operators again. It's all an issue of pressure. If we can apply more pressure than whoever is on the other side, we come out on top, Comrade Ringo Kamens On Jan 3, 2008 5:01 AM, accept no limits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody, on the 1st of January 2008 the web server provider shinjiru (Malaysia) kicked my exit node acceptnolimits (traffic about 10 GB per day) because of abuse. Before the contract (serveral months ago) I asked if they have a problem with tor running on their servers (exit node) and they answered you are most welcome. Up to now they have not answered my questions (about what happended). Now I am looking for a new server provider. I asked iweb8.com, but they told me, tor is only allowed as long as nobody complains. Hence you can count the days until you get kicked there. Does anybody here know a kick-save provider outside the US and outside the EU, where it's possible to run tor exit node servers? What is the price per month? Bye accept no limits
Re: shinjiru closed exit node acceptnolimits
Hello, A good response might be to write a letter to the hosting company, have you tried that? if hosting company = server provider then: Yes I wrote two emails. They didn't respond. I don't write hardware snail-mail letters, because completely anonymous server renting was possible there. It's all an issue of pressure. If we can apply more pressure than whoever is on the other side, we come out on top, My first goal is to find a new provider (if shinjiru doesn't want me and my tor exit node any more). My second goal is to find out what happened; what type of abuse there was. Perhaps somebody hacked the server (OK, only ssh with key-login, tor and apache where running, but who knows) and abused the server for sending spams. In this case I would understand, why they shut down the server. Bye accept no limits
Re: shinjiru closed exit node acceptnolimits
Am Donnerstag, 3. Januar 2008 11:01 schrieb accept no limits: Hello everybody, on the 1st of January 2008 the web server provider shinjiru (Malaysia) kicked my exit node acceptnolimits (traffic about 10 GB per day) because of abuse. Before the contract (serveral months ago) I asked if they have a problem with tor running on their servers (exit node) and they answered you are most welcome. Up to now they have not answered my questions (about what happended). What about going the hard way? They have a contract with you. You paid for a service they refuse to fulfill without comment. I dont know the malaysian laws but I think you should do steps to force them to fulfil their contract. Some years ago I made the experience (with renting a house) that some people need some kind of warn shot until they start respecting you. In my case I got a (german) Einstweilige Verfügung and suddenly they spoke with me. It makes me angry to read: 1) They throw me out 2) They refuse telling me why 2) I accept that While doing so you show them that their way of behaviour works. Kind Regards from germany Thomas Hluchnik pgpIxZiKCEGGx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: shinjiru closed exit node acceptnolimits
Hi! On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 01:40:22PM +0100, Thomas Hluchnik wrote: Some years ago I made the experience (with renting a house) that some people need some kind of warn shot until they start respecting you. In my case I got a (german) Einstweilige Verfügung and suddenly they spoke with me. Just to help out those who don't know German: (at least roughly) temporary injunction. [...] Kind regards, Hannah.
Re: shinjiru closed exit node acceptnolimits
Hello, What about going the hard way? They have a contract with you. You paid for a service they refuse to fulfill without comment. I dont know the malaysian laws but I think you should do steps to force them to fulfil their contract. Sorry, I don't do it the german way: paying a lawer, going to court and after months or years having a result. And even if the judge says: OK you paid for another 3 months, they have to fulfil their contract for another 3 month., does this solve the problem? NO. After this 3 months I have to search for another hoster. The only difference: I paid a lawer, I paid the court, I lost month or years and not to forget I am no longer anonymous. [I know no lawer or court working for anonymous persons.] Some years ago I made the experience (with renting a house) that some people need some kind of warn shot until they start respecting you. In my case I got a (german) Einstweilige Verfьgung and suddenly they spoke with me. Just to help out those who don't know German: (at least roughly) temporary injunction. Thank you for helping out With a house (where you intend to live for years, you are not anonymous) that's another story. Bye
Re: shinjiru closed exit node acceptnolimits
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 05:04:46PM +0300, accept no limits wrote: Hello, What about going the hard way? They have a contract with you. You paid for a service they refuse to fulfill without comment. I dont know the malaysian laws but I think you should do steps to force them to fulfil their contract. Sorry, I don't do it the german way: paying a lawer, going to court and after months or years having a result. And even if the judge says: OK you paid for another 3 months, they have to fulfil their contract for another 3 month., does this solve the problem? NO. After this 3 months I have to search for another hoster. The only difference: I paid a lawer, I paid the court, I lost month or years and not to forget I am no longer anonymous. [I know no lawer or court working for anonymous persons.] Even being of German nationality I do absolutely agree with you about the uselessness of deploying lawyers in such a case. Some years ago I made the experience (with renting a house) that some people need some kind of warn shot until they start respecting you. In my case I got a (german) Einstweilige Verf?gung and suddenly they spoke with me. Just to help out those who don't know German: (at least roughly) temporary injunction. All this takes months, if applicable with other countries' laws at all, the costs of such an attempt may be out of any scope. Thank you for helping out With a house (where you intend to live for years, you are not anonymous) that's another story. You repeatedly mentioned your absolute anonymity against the malaysian company your node was hosted on. Have you possibly taken it into your consideration that the so called 'Abuse' they are referring to might be exactly that and _not_ Tor? Bye Regards Hans
Re: shinjiru closed exit node acceptnolimits
Hi onion-folks, shinjiru is under pressure of spamhaus.org and others, to close malware infected servers. I know about problems of no-tor-servers, which have to migrate, because some IP-ranges of shinjiru were blocked by SORBS and spamhaus.org. So shinjiru is closing all servers, which seems to infected by malware. Some tor servers are listed by SORBS and others. Check your IP-address in the SORBS database, if you were running an exit node. May be, it is because malware bots use tor to contact IRC channels. Karsten
Re: shinjiru closed exit node acceptnolimits
Hans Schnehl wrote: Even being of German nationality I do absolutely agree with you about the uselessness of deploying lawyers in such a case. agreed! I wouldn't even try this in Germany. A lawsuit will be just a waste of time and money. Olaf
Re: shinjiru closed exit node acceptnolimits
Hello, You repeatedly mentioned your absolute anonymity against the malaysian company your node was hosted on. Have you possibly taken it into your consideration that the so called 'Abuse' they are referring to might be exactly that and _not_ Tor? shinjiru explicitly allows anonymous hosting. You do not have to give them your name, if you don't like. Only an email address is required, the rest is optional.
Re: shinjiru closed exit node acceptnolimits
Hello, Some tor servers are listed by SORBS and others. Check your IP-address in the SORBS database, if you were running an exit node. Thank you for this hint. Actually the exit node is listed in SORBS with Likely Trojaned Machine, host running unknown trojan but the entry was last updated in 2007/10.
Re: shinjiru closed exit node acceptnolimits
accept no limits wrote: shinjiru explicitly allows anonymous hosting. how does anonymous money transfer work in this case? just curious, Olaf
Re: shinjiru closed exit node acceptnolimits
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 08:08:23PM +0300, accept no limits wrote: shinjiru explicitly allows anonymous hosting. You do not have to give them your name, if you don't like. Only an email address is required, the rest is optional. Interesting. And payment is in untraceable cash? -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE
Re: shinjiru closed exit node acceptnolimits
shinjiru explicitly allows anonymous hosting. how does anonymous money transfer work in this case? I got this question in personal mails after my posting, too. So here a (short) answer: They do not accept anonymous money, BUT the accept visa cards, and especially they accept virtual prepaid visa cards. So think out a name, address, etc. (just for the card) and you can get one e.g. at card444.com. How to pay card444.com anonymously? Take a look at their webpage and choose a method you think it's anonymous. And of course, use tor all the times ... === cut Somebody out there, PLEASE, to give some hints/answer to my ORIGINAL question? Original question?? Yes, my original question: Can somebody recommend a Non-US and Non-EU server provider (dedicated server) that has no problems if the server is used as tor exit node? Bye accept no limits
Re: shinjiru closed exit node acceptnolimits
Hi, So think out a name, address, etc. (just for the card) and you can get one e.g. at card444.com. Cool; is it possible to have an paypal account with such a prepaid credit card? And are there other alternatives for paying anonymously? I looked for a swiss numbered account, but it's not really anoymous and it's the same with the goldfinger account: http://www.gomopa.net/Finanzforum/Offshore-und-Firmengruendung/GOLDFINGER-Konto-in-Jungholz-Tirol.html?highlight=goldfinger Somebody out there, PLEASE, to give some hints/answer to my ORIGINAL question? Original question?? Yes, my original question: Can somebody recommend a Non-US and Non-EU server provider (dedicated server) that has no problems if the server is used as tor exit node? I'm using a local ADSL2+ provider for several years with a little less than 1 Mbit/s and the only problem i had was that my provider complained about spam from my TOR server and exit node, because i started with no rejected port. Bye
Re: shinjiru closed exit node acceptnolimits
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Sorry to hear about your problems; sad to see such a node go. If you find another provider, it'll be great when you return; if you don't, thank you for your contribution to Tor. - -- F. Fox: A+, Network+, Security+ Owner of Tor node kitsune http://fenrisfox.livejournal.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHfYYCbgkxCAzYBCMRCGInAKCBE7tc3HFPYL824d/gbSSUeuAigACggywp HA86gu30eKbxPRU5pJp6Aa4= =BTlP -END PGP SIGNATURE-
