Re: OT: Working from home

2001-06-16 Thread Jared Still


On Friday 15 June 2001 06:00, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> There was a manager in that same shop who measured her programmers
> abilities by the number of lines of code they wrote in a day. She also said
> to me once "I don't like to waste time on design"

Rachel,

Remember the Dilbert where the PHB tells the engineers
that he'll pay a cash incentive for every bug the find
and fix?

Wally leave the meaning saying " I'm gonna code me a minivan!"

As for lines of code, one could get even by writing succint
obtuse code before leaving.  ;)

Jared

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Re: OT: Perl question

2001-06-16 Thread Jared Still



Sorry to tell you this Long, but the reason you are 
having this problem is that you compiled Perl by setting
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib.

This shouldn't be done.  It should be compiled *without* setting
LD_LIBRARY_PATH, other than for Oracle software.  I saw that you
did this in a previous post, thought you'd discover it pretty
quick. :)

You will have to recompile Perl to fix this.  I don't recall which
option in the configuration you set the libraries at, as it's been
a few months since I've had to do it.

You can read more about the evils of LD_LIBRARY_PATH at
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~barr/ldpath.html

We're stuck with it for Oracle though.

Jared

On Friday 15 June 2001 02:05, Nguyen, Long (ITS, Limestone Ave) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The Perl 5.005_03 software on my Solaris 2.6 box did not have the GDBM_file
> module in it, so I removed it, installed GNU gdbm software, and
> re-installed Perl 5.005_03 that I got from CPAN. However now every time I
> run Perl the system gives me this message
>
>   ld.so.1: perl: fatal: libgdbm.so.2: open failed: No such file or directory
>
> It did not happen with the old Perl copy.
>
> If I set LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib then  run Perl, there is no
> problem.
>
> Do you know why  How can I 'link' this LD_LIBRARY_PATH setting into Perl so
> that I do not need to have it explicitly set every time I run Perl. (And
> also I do not want other users on teh system to explicitly set it in order
> to run Perl).
>
> Thanks
> Long
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Redo latch contention

2001-06-16 Thread Rajesh Dayal

Hi All,
I had some situation of Redo Allocation and copy latch
contention as stated in following output.

SQL> SELECT substr(NAME,1,18) NAME, GETS,MISSES, IMMEDIATE_GETS,
IMMEDIATE_MISSES
FROM V$LATCH WHERE NAME LIKE '%redo%'
/

NAME GETS MISSES IMMEDIATE_GETS IMMEDIATE_MISSES

-- -- -- -- 

redo allocation 74878 16  00

redo copy 114100  53756  232

redo writing30219  1  00


3 rows selected.

Realizing small contention on redo allocation latch, I increased
the value of "log_small_entry_max_size" from 80 to 90.
But this would definitely overload (already suffering) redo copy
latches, so I increased the value of log_simultaneous_copies from 2 to
6. 
This sorted out redo latch contention, but somewhere in FM it's
mentioned that value of log_simultaneous_copies shouldn't be more than 
(2 * #_of_CPUs). Again I know that the CPU is "not" heavily used so far.
So... 

1. Is it OK to set log_simultaneous_copies higher than 2*CPU. What are
the golden rules. I have seen some authers not mentioning this.

2. Why this parameter is missing from Oracle 8i?? Has Oracle changed the
algorithm?? What is the new strategy to handle redo latch contention??

Interestingly, in Oracle 8i (Oracle 8.1.6) Tuning Manuals they
still talk of these parameters(which are made obsolete)...

Appreciate your inputs ;-)

Cheers,
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SQL Statement Tuning

2001-06-16 Thread DKTS

Hi

I'm looking for docs that explain tuning of SQL statements. But, no stories
about latches, buffers, TKPROF, blocks, V$ views... Just simple (or
advanced?) tips on:

-  ordering of tables in FROM part of select (where goes the largest table,
and where to put the smallest table), and why is it so,

- if i have multiple  ANDed conditions, in where part of select, where to
put the most restrictive, at the left end or at the right end? How does
oracle evaluates ANDed and ORed list, from left to right or counterwise?

- aditional tips: how to avoid OR and use AND instead, how to make query to
use index, tips on EXISTS, NOT IN...

Before diving into V$ stuff, I want do try simple query rewriting.

Thanks in advance

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Re: Reorgs in general

2001-06-16 Thread Connor McDonald

There are reorgs to fix fragmentations, and reorg to
reclaim dirty space.  LMT's fix the former but not
necessarily the latter.

I do believe tho' that the days of unloading the
entire database and reloading it (with the exception
of changing the blocksize) should be a thing of the
past

hth
connor

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> 
> Oracle's party line has for a while been that for
> the most
> part reorgs aren't necessary anymore, right?
> Assuming storage
> initially has been set decently? Are reorgs very
> common in
> these parts?
> 
> Also, even according to those who find reorgs still
> necessary,
> they should completely go away with LMT's, right?
> 
> Opinions all?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Semaphores

2001-06-16 Thread Sam Roberts

Oracle Financials 11i asks for 14000 semaphores:

When I do the calculation as per the Oracle Guide  I come to about 1000.

Anybody know why the disparate nature of these numbers. Can semaphores be
set to such high levels.

I can RTFM, but wonder what lists comments are before

Sam

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RE: primary/ foreign key constraints for oltp, overhead?...soluti

2001-06-16 Thread A. Bardeen

Amar,

That's the whole point Jared was trying to make:  your
locking issue is because you *don't* have indexes on
your foreign keys.

You might want to review the following notes:

11828.1 " FOREIGN KEYS, INDEXES AND PARENT TABLE
LOCKING"
33453.1 "(V7) REFERENTIAL INTEGRITY AND LOCKING"
38373.1 "TECH: Example Table Locks During Referential
Integrity Enforcement"
61552.1 "DIAGNOSING DATABASE HANGING ISSUES"
15476.1 "Detecting and Resolving Locking Conflicts"

HTH,

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--- Amar Kumar Padhi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No indexes on foreign key. 
> still the same result.
> 
> rgds
> amar
> 
> -Original Message-
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> overhead?...soluti
> 
> 
> Jared has a point. Is there an index on the foreign
> key?
> 
> Another minor detail: You should of course never
> update a primary key
> column, of
> course :-)
> 
> Amar Kumar Padhi wrote:
> 
> > Jared,
> > I tried again and got the same result.
> > on oracle 8.1.7 (RBO).
> >
> > session1 : delete from emp where deptno = 10;
> >
> > session2 : delete from dept where deptno = 30;
> > session 2 hanged and waited till transaction in
> session one was committed.
> >
> > the max_trans on both tab is set to 255, incase
> this raises doubt.
> > are you getting a different result? Is the FK
> present on the detail table
> > you are trying with?
> >
> > rgds
> > amar
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 10:25 AM
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> > overhead?...soluti
> >
> > On Sunday 10 June 2001 21:50, Amar Kumar Padhi
> wrote:
> > > - locks
> > > Oracle generates internal locks on dict tables
> to maintain the data
> > > integrity.
> > > e.g.: I deleted a record from detail table in
> one session. In another
> > > session I tried to delete a master record not
> related to the deleted
> > detail
> > > record. The 2nd session hanged. There were
> row-exclusive locks present
> on
> > > the detail table and an exclusive lock present
> on an internal table (I
> > > couldn't access).  The same is the case with
> update.
> > >
> > > Oracle locks both the master & detail table
> records when the master
> record
> > > is deleted and the foreign key is created with
> on delete cascade option.
> > >
> > > Bottomline, Oracle doesn't allow altering of
> master table primary key
> when
> > > active transactions exists on detail table. 
> Oracle will allow update of
> > > columns other than the primary key.
> >
> > You should probably test this scenario, as it
> works fine for me.
> >
> > Delete the a child detail row.
> > Delete an unrelated parent row, with delete
> cascade on the child table.
> >
> > Works fine.
> >
> > Possibly are missing an index?  Some of these
> rules have changed I know,
> > but I'll let you look up the details.
> >
> > Bottom line, it does work.
> >
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Re: Reorgs in general

2001-06-16 Thread A. Bardeen

Connor,

Reorgs to change the blocksize are reduced even
further in 9i since multiple blocksizes are allowed in
the same database, although you still can't change the
default blocksize without rebuilding.

The new free list allocation mechanism looks pretty
slick too.

Definitely lots of new goodies to play with ;)

-- Anita

--- Connor McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are reorgs to fix fragmentations, and reorg to
> reclaim dirty space.  LMT's fix the former but not
> necessarily the latter.
> 
> I do believe tho' that the days of unloading the
> entire database and reloading it (with the exception
> of changing the blocksize) should be a thing of the
> past
> 
> hth
> connor
> 
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > All,
> > 
> > Oracle's party line has for a while been that for
> > the most
> > part reorgs aren't necessary anymore, right?
> > Assuming storage
> > initially has been set decently? Are reorgs very
> > common in
> > these parts?
> > 
> > Also, even according to those who find reorgs
> still
> > necessary,
> > they should completely go away with LMT's, right?
> > 
> > Opinions all?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Yosi Greenfield
> > Oracle DBA, Will work for food
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Re: the conversion is from Mainframe flat file to Unix Flat file - b

2001-06-16 Thread Thater, William

On Fri, 15 Jun 2001,Raymond Lee Meng Hong scribbled on the wall in glitter...:

->what is EBCDIC format
->
->I have a customer from IBM DB2 mainframe going to pass data to my oracle
->system for matching of record ,what they told me is the tape is in EBCDIC
->format ? I don't have any experience on these format ? can anyone please
->explain /guildline on these ?
->
->
->Raymond fall asleep in waiting for the Q.
->
->
it's Extended Binary Data Interchange Code or EBDIC and wad big blue's attempt at 
ASCII.  there should be utilities on your system to convert.  what's your OS and 
version?

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RE: SYS vs SYSTEM

2001-06-16 Thread ARUN K C

connect internal has been removed from 9i you will have to login as 
sys/password as sysdba thro sqlplus  even the svrmgrl has been removed.
this I think oracle has been saying from  8i version itself that they will 
be removing connect as internal in the future version



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>Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:27:12 -0800
>
>How about oradim and server manager?
>
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>
>Trying to connect using INTERNAL via SQLPLUS.
>
>Platform is Solaris 2.6, Oracle 9i.  Logged in as oracle user.  Oracle user
>is a member of the dba group and CONNECT INTERNAL works fine in 8i.
>
>See following error message for 9i:
>
>ORA-09275: CONNECT INTERNAL is not a valid DBA connection
>
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>Is it the same old rumor or it could be confirmed 100%?
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>Well you will have alot of scripts to change, internal is gone in 9i.
>
>"Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if
>both are frozen."
>
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>Greg,
>
>I was told by Oracle Support when I started using Rman under version 8.0 to
>use SYS or INTERNAL, as it is "better".
>
>Between you and me, "better" is quite subjective.  But, I wrote scripts 
>that
>connect as INTERNAL, and it has been working fine ever since, so I did not
>re-visit it.
>
>Do you use a DBA account?  Is there a better way?
>
>Tom Mercadante
>Oracle Certified Professional
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>Tom,
>
>Why do you use SYS exclusively for startup and shutdown, since your DBA 
>priv
>account could also accomplish this?
>
>- Greg
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Re: Reorgs in general

2001-06-16 Thread Stephane Faroult

"A. Bardeen" wrote:
> Reorgs to change the blocksize are reduced even
> further in 9i since multiple blocksizes are allowed in
> the same database, although you still can't change the
> default blocksize without rebuilding.

At last. 'blocksize' has been an attribute in SYS.TS$ since the early
days of Oracle6, so I guess that they have had this in mind for a long
time. I have at last downloaded that "$+à?!!! Linux Disk2 (after 4 or 5
attempts - don't believe official number of downloads figures), ready to
burn. Install (going to try it with 256M) will come later.
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RE: SQL Statement Tuning

2001-06-16 Thread Christopher Spence

Take a look at my website, I recently wrote a 32 page document on tuning
sql.  I would be very interested in getting feedback from what you think of
it.

www.vampired.net under articles.

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both are frozen."

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Hi

I'm looking for docs that explain tuning of SQL statements. But, no stories
about latches, buffers, TKPROF, blocks, V$ views... Just simple (or
advanced?) tips on:

-  ordering of tables in FROM part of select (where goes the largest table,
and where to put the smallest table), and why is it so,

- if i have multiple  ANDed conditions, in where part of select, where to
put the most restrictive, at the left end or at the right end? How does
oracle evaluates ANDed and ORed list, from left to right or counterwise?

- aditional tips: how to avoid OR and use AND instead, how to make query to
use index, tips on EXISTS, NOT IN...

Before diving into V$ stuff, I want do try simple query rewriting.

Thanks in advance

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RE: 9i On Linux

2001-06-16 Thread Christopher Spence

No, that IS MegaBytes

Generic PRICE FOR ONLINE ORDERS ONLY - 512MB 168 Pin PC100 MUST MENTION
PRICE WATCH - SDRAM - HIGH DENSITY; CAS2 ;NeutronUSA# 442185 - Volume
DISCOUNT AVAILABLE $ 56 $12.85 2nd Air 6/15/2001 6:52:56 PM CT
NeutronUSA.com
800-813-4218
814-237-0902 PA  - 

The 150MHz went up a little and is $102

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That is 512 M Bits not Bytes = 512/8 = 64MB.

Regards,

Waleed

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Where can I find it that cheap? - E

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When you can buy 512Mb for $61 on the net, who cares :)

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A minimum of 128M on the client??!! Who do they think they are?? Microsoft?



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>From Linux release notes:
http://otn.oracle.com/docs/products/oracle9i/pdf/9i_lin_relnotes.pdf

The following requirements must be met to perform a typical Oracle9i
software installation.

 Memory: A minimum of 512 MB of is required to install Oracle9i
Server.

A minimum of 512 MB is required to install Oracle9i
Management and Integration.

A minimum of 128 MB is required to
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Re: Redo latch contention

2001-06-16 Thread Mogens Nørgaard

First of all, if you don't see cumulated waits for the 'latch free' event in
either v$system_event or v$session_event (for a specific session/job) there
is absolutely no need to do anything about these ratios. It's about the only
two latches mentioned in the reference books and it's about the only two
latches that never really have a problem :).

My guess is that this effort (increasing log_simultaneous_copies and
log_small_entry_max_size) hasn't increased performance on your system
whatsoever.

If - only if - you have latch contention/waits in the system (high
percentage of time_waited in the above-mentioned
v$system_event/v$session_event, you should ignore all those calculations
with gets and misses and insted just look in v$latch like this:

select name, sleeps from v$latch order by 2;

to find the latches with highest contention. But again: If your system or
session is not really waiting for latches, why bother?

Rajesh Dayal wrote:

> Hi All,
> I had some situation of Redo Allocation and copy latch
> contention as stated in following output.
>
> SQL> SELECT substr(NAME,1,18) NAME, GETS,MISSES, IMMEDIATE_GETS,
> IMMEDIATE_MISSES
> FROM V$LATCH WHERE NAME LIKE '%redo%'
> /
>
> NAME GETS MISSES IMMEDIATE_GETS IMMEDIATE_MISSES
>
> -- -- -- -- 
>
> redo allocation 74878 16  00
>
> redo copy 114100  53756  232
>
> redo writing30219  1  00
>
> 3 rows selected.
>
> Realizing small contention on redo allocation latch, I increased
> the value of "log_small_entry_max_size" from 80 to 90.
> But this would definitely overload (already suffering) redo copy
> latches, so I increased the value of log_simultaneous_copies from 2 to
> 6.
> This sorted out redo latch contention, but somewhere in FM it's
> mentioned that value of log_simultaneous_copies shouldn't be more than
> (2 * #_of_CPUs). Again I know that the CPU is "not" heavily used so far.
> So...
>
> 1. Is it OK to set log_simultaneous_copies higher than 2*CPU. What are
> the golden rules. I have seen some authers not mentioning this.
>
> 2. Why this parameter is missing from Oracle 8i?? Has Oracle changed the
> algorithm?? What is the new strategy to handle redo latch contention??
>
> Interestingly, in Oracle 8i (Oracle 8.1.6) Tuning Manuals they
> still talk of these parameters(which are made obsolete)...
>
> Appreciate your inputs ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Rajesh
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Re: Reorgs in general

2001-06-16 Thread Mogens Nørgaard

But each different block size requires its own buffer cache. If you haven't
configured the seperate buffer cache, you cannot add tablespaces with a
different block size to the database.

Stephane Faroult wrote:

> "A. Bardeen" wrote:
> > Reorgs to change the blocksize are reduced even
> > further in 9i since multiple blocksizes are allowed in
> > the same database, although you still can't change the
> > default blocksize without rebuilding.
>
> At last. 'blocksize' has been an attribute in SYS.TS$ since the early
> days of Oracle6, so I guess that they have had this in mind for a long
> time. I have at last downloaded that "$+à?!!! Linux Disk2 (after 4 or 5
> attempts - don't believe official number of downloads figures), ready to
> burn. Install (going to try it with 256M) will come later.
> --
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>
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Re: Redo latch contention

2001-06-16 Thread Jon Walthour

Rajesh:

I'm a bit confused here. You say that you are going to tune your redo
allocation latch contention, but, based on the output presented, you don't
have any redo allocation latch contention. The threshold to determine
contention is misses/gets >= .01 or
immediate_misses/(immediate_gets+immediate_misses) >= .01. You do seem to
have a problem with redo copy latches, but not redo allocation latches. So,
I wouldn't mess with the log_small_entry_max_size parameter. Besides, in 8i,
to tune this parameter you would either (1) use the NOLOGGING option to
reduce the amount of redo log entries for certain operations or (2) reduce
the load on the latch by increasing the LOG_BUFFER parameter or decreasing
_LOG_IO_SIZE.

So, you really need to be worried about tuning the redo copy latch waits. To
do that, Oracle recommends increasing _LOG_SIMULTANEOUS_COPIES to have more
latches available. But this is on multiple CPU machines and is limited to
32. Since, under 8i, a redo copy latch is now required for all redo
generation, not just that which is larger than log_small_entry_max_size, and
it is held longer until the redo has been applied to the target buffers, one
would expect there to be more redo copy latch contention. Based on what I
have read, it seems you may also want to check for log file syncs by DBWn
and tune down checkpointing if appropriate. You may also want to look at the
commit rate in your application to see if that can be reasonably reduced.

Hope this helps!

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> From: Rajesh Dayal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Organization: Fat City Network Services, San Diego, California
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:25:42 -0800
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Redo latch contention
> 
> Hi All,
> I had some situation of Redo Allocation and copy latch
> contention as stated in following output.
> 
> SQL> SELECT substr(NAME,1,18) NAME, GETS,MISSES, IMMEDIATE_GETS,
> IMMEDIATE_MISSES
> FROM V$LATCH WHERE NAME LIKE '%redo%'
> /
> 
> NAME GETS MISSES IMMEDIATE_GETS IMMEDIATE_MISSES
> 
> -- -- -- -- 
> 
> redo allocation 74878 16  00
> 
> redo copy 114100  53756  232
> 
> redo writing30219  1  00
> 
> 
> 3 rows selected.
> 
> Realizing small contention on redo allocation latch, I increased
> the value of "log_small_entry_max_size" from 80 to 90.
> But this would definitely overload (already suffering) redo copy
> latches, so I increased the value of log_simultaneous_copies from 2 to
> 6. 
> This sorted out redo latch contention, but somewhere in FM it's
> mentioned that value of log_simultaneous_copies shouldn't be more than
> (2 * #_of_CPUs). Again I know that the CPU is "not" heavily used so far.
> So... 
> 
> 1. Is it OK to set log_simultaneous_copies higher than 2*CPU. What are
> the golden rules. I have seen some authers not mentioning this.
> 
> 2. Why this parameter is missing from Oracle 8i?? Has Oracle changed the
> algorithm?? What is the new strategy to handle redo latch contention??
> 
> Interestingly, in Oracle 8i (Oracle 8.1.6) Tuning Manuals they
> still talk of these parameters(which are made obsolete)...
> 
> Appreciate your inputs ;-)
> 
> Cheers,
> Rajesh 
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New certified DBA

2001-06-16 Thread DBAtracker
I've recently completed my last exam to achieve OCP status and I'm looking 
for a jr DBA position in the Twin City area.  I'm currently employed as a 
database developer. My problem is I have no hands on DBA experience.  Any 
suggestions?  Thanks in advance for any leads or suggestions!
Jim


Re: Redo latch contention

2001-06-16 Thread Danisment Gazi Unal (Unal Bilisim)

Mogens,

You are right.

nothing is a performance problem unless there is a time contention.

In general, it's very hard to see time spent in each latch. itrprof SQL Analyzer
with waitgroup=(name,P1,P2) can report time spent in each latch. So, you can see
time spent in A latch, time spent in B latch, etc. I'm not a very old dba, but I
don't think many latches can be tuned by init.ora parameters.

with waitgroup=(name,P1), you can see time spent in each enqueue such as 5 sec
in (TX), 3 sec in (TM) etc.

'latch free' and 'enqueue' waits do not make sense themselves. You can
drill-down these each waits by itrprof.

a little marketing...

Mogens Nørgaard wrote:

> First of all, if you don't see cumulated waits for the 'latch free' event in
> either v$system_event or v$session_event (for a specific session/job) there
> is absolutely no need to do anything about these ratios. It's about the only
> two latches mentioned in the reference books and it's about the only two
> latches that never really have a problem :).
>
> My guess is that this effort (increasing log_simultaneous_copies and
> log_small_entry_max_size) hasn't increased performance on your system
> whatsoever.
>
> If - only if - you have latch contention/waits in the system (high
> percentage of time_waited in the above-mentioned
> v$system_event/v$session_event, you should ignore all those calculations
> with gets and misses and insted just look in v$latch like this:
>
> select name, sleeps from v$latch order by 2;
>
> to find the latches with highest contention. But again: If your system or
> session is not really waiting for latches, why bother?
>
> Rajesh Dayal wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> > I had some situation of Redo Allocation and copy latch
> > contention as stated in following output.
> >
> > SQL> SELECT substr(NAME,1,18) NAME, GETS,MISSES, IMMEDIATE_GETS,
> > IMMEDIATE_MISSES
> > FROM V$LATCH WHERE NAME LIKE '%redo%'
> > /
> >
> > NAME GETS MISSES IMMEDIATE_GETS IMMEDIATE_MISSES
> >
> > -- -- -- -- 
> >
> > redo allocation 74878 16  00
> >
> > redo copy 114100  53756  232
> >
> > redo writing30219  1  00
> >
> > 3 rows selected.
> >
> > Realizing small contention on redo allocation latch, I increased
> > the value of "log_small_entry_max_size" from 80 to 90.
> > But this would definitely overload (already suffering) redo copy
> > latches, so I increased the value of log_simultaneous_copies from 2 to
> > 6.
> > This sorted out redo latch contention, but somewhere in FM it's
> > mentioned that value of log_simultaneous_copies shouldn't be more than
> > (2 * #_of_CPUs). Again I know that the CPU is "not" heavily used so far.
> > So...
> >
> > 1. Is it OK to set log_simultaneous_copies higher than 2*CPU. What are
> > the golden rules. I have seen some authers not mentioning this.
> >
> > 2. Why this parameter is missing from Oracle 8i?? Has Oracle changed the
> > algorithm?? What is the new strategy to handle redo latch contention??
> >
> > Interestingly, in Oracle 8i (Oracle 8.1.6) Tuning Manuals they
> > still talk of these parameters(which are made obsolete)...
> >
> > Appreciate your inputs ;-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Rajesh
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> > --
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RE: OT: Working from home

2001-06-16 Thread Christopher Spence

My theory is this.


A loosely used ratio for performance reviews.


(Number of Bugs Resolved x Number of Projects x Number of lines of code -
(Bugs introduced in your code x 500))

But use this with a grain of salt as many things are involved in programming
and lines of codes, bugs, and number of products are all relative to the
current situation.


"Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if
both are frozen."

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On Friday 15 June 2001 06:00, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> There was a manager in that same shop who measured her programmers
> abilities by the number of lines of code they wrote in a day. She also
said
> to me once "I don't like to waste time on design"

Rachel,

Remember the Dilbert where the PHB tells the engineers
that he'll pay a cash incentive for every bug the find
and fix?

Wally leave the meaning saying " I'm gonna code me a minivan!"

As for lines of code, one could get even by writing succint
obtuse code before leaving.  ;)

Jared

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RE: Redo latch contention

2001-06-16 Thread Christopher Spence

Setting it too high may cause additional content switching.  

"Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if
both are frozen."

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Hi All,
I had some situation of Redo Allocation and copy latch
contention as stated in following output.

SQL> SELECT substr(NAME,1,18) NAME, GETS,MISSES, IMMEDIATE_GETS,
IMMEDIATE_MISSES
FROM V$LATCH WHERE NAME LIKE '%redo%'
/

NAME GETS MISSES IMMEDIATE_GETS IMMEDIATE_MISSES

-- -- -- -- 

redo allocation 74878 16  00

redo copy 114100  53756  232

redo writing30219  1  00


3 rows selected.

Realizing small contention on redo allocation latch, I increased
the value of "log_small_entry_max_size" from 80 to 90.
But this would definitely overload (already suffering) redo copy
latches, so I increased the value of log_simultaneous_copies from 2 to
6. 
This sorted out redo latch contention, but somewhere in FM it's
mentioned that value of log_simultaneous_copies shouldn't be more than 
(2 * #_of_CPUs). Again I know that the CPU is "not" heavily used so far.
So... 

1. Is it OK to set log_simultaneous_copies higher than 2*CPU. What are
the golden rules. I have seen some authers not mentioning this.

2. Why this parameter is missing from Oracle 8i?? Has Oracle changed the
algorithm?? What is the new strategy to handle redo latch contention??

Interestingly, in Oracle 8i (Oracle 8.1.6) Tuning Manuals they
still talk of these parameters(which are made obsolete)...

Appreciate your inputs ;-)

Cheers,
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RE: the conversion is from Mainframe flat file to Unix Flat file

2001-06-16 Thread Christopher Spence

Basically IBM's version of ASCII

"Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if
both are frozen."

Christopher R. Spence
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b


what is EBCDIC format

I have a customer from IBM DB2 mainframe going to pass data to my oracle
system for matching of record ,what they told me is the tape is in EBCDIC
format ? I don't have any experience on these format ? can anyone please
explain /guildline on these ?


Raymond fall asleep in waiting for the Q.

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RE: Redo latch contention

2001-06-16 Thread Deshpande, Kirti

>1. Is it OK to set log_simultaneous_copies higher than 2*CPU. What
are
> the golden rules. I have seen some authers not mentioning this.

Yes, it is okay to set it higher than this. It won't degrade the
performance, but don't expect any considerable gain in the performance
either. On some combination of Oracle version & platform, the max value can
be as high as 8 times the number of CPUs. But as Mogens says if there are no
waits for 'latch free' event you should forget about messing with this.
Unless there is a chance that you are suffering from a compulsive tuning
disorder  ;-) 
 
> 2. Why this parameter is missing from Oracle 8i?? Has Oracle
changed the
> algorithm?? What is the new strategy to handle redo latch
contention??
It is now an unsupported parameter in 8i, and it defaults to 2 times the
number of CPUs. (The max according to Oracle). Oracle thinks that it is the
appropriate value in most cases and there is no reason (most of the times)
to adjust this parameter. There have been some enhancements, from 8.0, in
how LGWR dealt with redo log buffer (with its own 3 secs timer) but I don't
think there is any new strategy for handling redo latch contention. 
For some reason, sometimes Oracle is rather late in updating their
documentation.  

Regards,

- Kirti Deshpande 
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   http://www.superpages.com

> -Original Message-
> From: Mogens Nørgaard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 10:17 AM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject:  Re: Redo latch contention
> 
> First of all, if you don't see cumulated waits for the 'latch free' event
> in
> either v$system_event or v$session_event (for a specific session/job)
> there
> is absolutely no need to do anything about these ratios. It's about the
> only
> two latches mentioned in the reference books and it's about the only two
> latches that never really have a problem :).
> 
> My guess is that this effort (increasing log_simultaneous_copies and
> log_small_entry_max_size) hasn't increased performance on your system
> whatsoever.
> 
> If - only if - you have latch contention/waits in the system (high
> percentage of time_waited in the above-mentioned
> v$system_event/v$session_event, you should ignore all those calculations
> with gets and misses and insted just look in v$latch like this:
> 
> select name, sleeps from v$latch order by 2;
> 
> to find the latches with highest contention. But again: If your system or
> session is not really waiting for latches, why bother?
> 
> Rajesh Dayal wrote:
> 
> > Hi All,
> > I had some situation of Redo Allocation and copy latch
> > contention as stated in following output.
> >
> > SQL> SELECT substr(NAME,1,18) NAME, GETS,MISSES, IMMEDIATE_GETS,
> > IMMEDIATE_MISSES
> > FROM V$LATCH WHERE NAME LIKE '%redo%'
> > /
> >
> > NAME GETS MISSES IMMEDIATE_GETS IMMEDIATE_MISSES
> >
> > -- -- -- -- 
> >
> > redo allocation 74878 16  00
> >
> > redo copy 114100  53756  232
> >
> > redo writing30219  1  00
> >
> > 3 rows selected.
> >
> > Realizing small contention on redo allocation latch, I increased
> > the value of "log_small_entry_max_size" from 80 to 90.
> > But this would definitely overload (already suffering) redo copy
> > latches, so I increased the value of log_simultaneous_copies from 2 to
> > 6.
> > This sorted out redo latch contention, but somewhere in FM it's
> > mentioned that value of log_simultaneous_copies shouldn't be more than
> > (2 * #_of_CPUs). Again I know that the CPU is "not" heavily used so far.
> > So...
> >
> > 1. Is it OK to set log_simultaneous_copies higher than 2*CPU. What are
> > the golden rules. I have seen some authers not mentioning this.
> >
> > 2. Why this parameter is missing from Oracle 8i?? Has Oracle changed the
> > algorithm?? What is the new strategy to handle redo latch contention??
> >
> > Interestingly, in Oracle 8i (Oracle 8.1.6) Tuning Manuals they
> > still talk of these parameters(which are made obsolete)...
> >
> > Appreciate your inputs ;-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Rajesh
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Re: primary/ foreign key constraints for oltp, overhead?...soluti

2001-06-16 Thread Jared Still

On Friday 15 June 2001 21:50, Amar Kumar Padhi wrote:
> No indexes on foreign key.
> still the same result.
>

Of course, because you don't have the indexes 
on the FK constraints.

Now it's time to RTFM please.  Read the concepts
manual on relational integrity.

Build sample tables and play with RI until you
have a solid understanding of it.

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JDeveloper Connection to Oracle DB

2001-06-16 Thread Elias Mouchantaf

Hi,

I have installed JDeveloper 3.0 and I am running Oracle 
8i personal edition on a Windows 98 platform. I am 
trying to create a connection to the DB from 
JDeveloper. I specify the "Oracle JDBC Thin" as driver 
and I select "Existing TNS Names" as the connection 
method and I choose the service running. When I click 
on the "Test Connection" button I get an error message 
that reads: "Io Exception: The Network adapter could 
not establish the connection". I tried to resolve the 
problem but was unable to. I would appreciate any help.

Thank you,

Elias S. Mouchantaf
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Re: JDeveloper Connection to Oracle DB

2001-06-16 Thread A. Bardeen

Elias,

I don't know much about JDBC, but I suspect that like
ODBC it sits on top of the Net8 layer.  By default,
Personal Oracle on Win95/98 doesn't automatically
start the listener the way the TNSlistener service
does on NT/Win2K, so try manually starting the
listener from the command prompt:

lsnrctl start

You can set the listener to start up up automatically
by changing the registry entry LISTENER_STARTUP to
AUTO
  hkey_local_machine\oracle\home0

HTH,

-- Anita

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> 
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> 
> Thank you,
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Re: Redo latch contention

2001-06-16 Thread Mogens Nørgaard

Or with Cary Millsap's hprof/Sparky stuff (hotsos.com). I'm deligthed that guys like
you and Cary are writing tools/products that harvest the enormous amount of useful
stuff available in 10046 level 8/12 trace files.

You know what would be really cool? The same stuff is available via x$trace. x$trace
is in itself much more non-intrusive than 10046 traces (it uses memory buffers), but
has some features and possibilities that sets it apart:

- The memory buffers are round-robin, ie. they get re-used. You would need to either
get data out of them all the time or use the wonderful feature of flushing the data
to disk and harvest the information from those files
- It's all or nothing. You either trace all sessions or none at all (in other words:
instance-level)
- With the absolutely incredible amount of data available through the x$trace
interface you can - as I see it - map the interactions between processes
(foreground/background).

So it would be really cool if some tool some day could get some of this data out :).

"Danisment Gazi Unal (Unal Bilisim)" wrote:

> Mogens,
>
> You are right.
>
> nothing is a performance problem unless there is a time contention.
>
> In general, it's very hard to see time spent in each latch. itrprof SQL Analyzer
> with waitgroup=(name,P1,P2) can report time spent in each latch. So, you can see
> time spent in A latch, time spent in B latch, etc. I'm not a very old dba, but I
> don't think many latches can be tuned by init.ora parameters.
>
> with waitgroup=(name,P1), you can see time spent in each enqueue such as 5 sec
> in (TX), 3 sec in (TM) etc.
>
> 'latch free' and 'enqueue' waits do not make sense themselves. You can
> drill-down these each waits by itrprof.
>
> a little marketing...
>
> Mogens Nørgaard wrote:
>
> > First of all, if you don't see cumulated waits for the 'latch free' event in
> > either v$system_event or v$session_event (for a specific session/job) there
> > is absolutely no need to do anything about these ratios. It's about the only
> > two latches mentioned in the reference books and it's about the only two
> > latches that never really have a problem :).
> >
> > My guess is that this effort (increasing log_simultaneous_copies and
> > log_small_entry_max_size) hasn't increased performance on your system
> > whatsoever.
> >
> > If - only if - you have latch contention/waits in the system (high
> > percentage of time_waited in the above-mentioned
> > v$system_event/v$session_event, you should ignore all those calculations
> > with gets and misses and insted just look in v$latch like this:
> >
> > select name, sleeps from v$latch order by 2;
> >
> > to find the latches with highest contention. But again: If your system or
> > session is not really waiting for latches, why bother?
> >
> > Rajesh Dayal wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > > I had some situation of Redo Allocation and copy latch
> > > contention as stated in following output.
> > >
> > > SQL> SELECT substr(NAME,1,18) NAME, GETS,MISSES, IMMEDIATE_GETS,
> > > IMMEDIATE_MISSES
> > > FROM V$LATCH WHERE NAME LIKE '%redo%'
> > > /
> > >
> > > NAME GETS MISSES IMMEDIATE_GETS IMMEDIATE_MISSES
> > >
> > > -- -- -- -- 
> > >
> > > redo allocation 74878 16  00
> > >
> > > redo copy 114100  53756  232
> > >
> > > redo writing30219  1  00
> > >
> > > 3 rows selected.
> > >
> > > Realizing small contention on redo allocation latch, I increased
> > > the value of "log_small_entry_max_size" from 80 to 90.
> > > But this would definitely overload (already suffering) redo copy
> > > latches, so I increased the value of log_simultaneous_copies from 2 to
> > > 6.
> > > This sorted out redo latch contention, but somewhere in FM it's
> > > mentioned that value of log_simultaneous_copies shouldn't be more than
> > > (2 * #_of_CPUs). Again I know that the CPU is "not" heavily used so far.
> > > So...
> > >
> > > 1. Is it OK to set log_simultaneous_copies higher than 2*CPU. What are
> > > the golden rules. I have seen some authers not mentioning this.
> > >
> > > 2. Why this parameter is missing from Oracle 8i?? Has Oracle changed the
> > > algorithm?? What is the new strategy to handle redo latch contention??
> > >
> > > Interestingly, in Oracle 8i (Oracle 8.1.6) Tuning Manuals they
> > > still talk of these parameters(which are made obsolete)...
> > >
> > > Appreciate your inputs ;-)
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Rajesh
> > > --
> > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
> > > --
> > > Author: Rajesh Dayal
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Re: performance impact of optimizer_search_limit

2001-06-16 Thread A. Bardeen

Steve,

You might also want to test setting
optimizer_max_permutations < 8.

By design, the CBO considers multiple starting tables
and restricts permutations during OR expansion when
optimizer_max_permutations < 8.  This can have a
significant impact on queries that join a large number
of tables or have a large number of OR expansions.

I believe apps 11i (not sure about 11.0), for example,
recommends setting this to 7.

HTH,

-- Anita

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> 
> Oracle 8.0.5
> AIX 4.3.3
> 
> I have improved the response time of one of my 8
> table join queries by
> increasing optimizer_search_limit from the default 5
> to 8. At the value of 8
> the plan changes and has made a 10 min query run in
> under 5 seconds. The
> optimizer is set to CHOOSE with the statistics up to
> date and a sample size
> of 20%. This is a third party application and I
> don't have access to the
> source code to add hints. The value of
> optimizer_max_permutations has been
> left at 8.
> 
> I know that this makes the optimizer now check
> 8!=40320 permutations instead
> of 5!=120 permutations. I expect the parse time to
> increase but does anyone
> have any experience as to the performance impact
> that this may have? Any
> horror stories?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
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Re: Statspack report !! Resending Can someone help Please

2001-06-16 Thread Mogens Nørgaard

Hierarchical, network and relational. That's what it was.

My true age is - as per 4th of May this year - is 40. Big party, band playing,
etc. About 130 guests. My wish list for all the guests I had invited was very
short. Among the very few items were black socks, the latest book by John le
Carre, a Leatherman Supertool and a Swiss Army knife.

Well, I got three Swiss army knives, three Supertool's, six copies of le
Carre's latest book...and 67 pairs of black socks. Oh, I got 13 bottles of
excllent whisky, too.

Well, one of Cary Millsap's relatives sent me two pairs of socks last week,
explaining that 67 was 2 short of 69 - and that this would probably be the
closest I got to 69 for a while...and Cary wants me to beleive it wasn't his
idea.

Rather cool relatives he's got himselves, this mr. Millsap.

John Kanagaraj wrote:

> Hi Mogens,
>
> >I think SQL*Net was called SQL*Star or something, at least
> >with version 5?
>
> SQL*Star, as I remember it was SQL*Net + OpenGateway (or something like
> that). It was basically SQL*Net to other DBMS. (And there were three types
> of DBMS's - Hierarchical, something else, and that new-fangled Relational).
> Never got it to work other than test databases...
>
> >Back in the gold old days, when Oracle2 was written in
> >assembly and running on
>
> Now we know your true age Mogens ;-)
>
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Re: JDeveloper Connection to Oracle DB

2001-06-16 Thread Elias Mouchantaf

Hi again,

Thanks for your tip Anita, but unfortunately I still 
get the same error message. So I guess I am still 
taking suggestions.

Elias S. Mouchantaf
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Quoting "A. Bardeen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Elias,
>
> I don't know much about JDBC, but I suspect that like
> ODBC it sits on top of the Net8 layer.  By default,
> Personal Oracle on Win95/98 doesn't automatically
> start the listener the way the TNSlistener service
> does on NT/Win2K, so try manually starting the
> listener from the command prompt:
>
> lsnrctl start
>
> You can set the listener to start up up automatically
> by changing the registry entry LISTENER_STARTUP to
> AUTO
>   hkey_local_machine\oracle\home0
>
> HTH,
>
> -- Anita
>
> --- Elias Mouchantaf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >
> > I have installed JDeveloper 3.0 and I am running
> > Oracle
> > 8i personal edition on a Windows 98 platform. I am
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> > JDeveloper. I specify the "Oracle JDBC Thin" as
> > driver
> > and I select "Existing TNS Names" as the connection
> > method and I choose the service running. When I
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> >
> > not establish the connection". I tried to resolve
> > the
> > problem but was unable to. I would appreciate any
> > help.
> >
> > Thank you,
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Mogens' Age ;) [RE: Statspack report !! Resending Can someone

2001-06-16 Thread Deshpande, Kirti

Hey John,
 If you had come to IOUG-A 2001! conference and attended Cary's
presentation, you would have been part of a special group (all the attendees
in the room, that is) that yelled out "Happy Birthday, Mogens" over a
cellular phone call to Mogens. 
  
Now, who can top that idea (Cary's,  I suspect) !!  

But that's how I came to know his true age. 
  
- Kirti Deshpande
  Verizon Information Sevices
   http://www.superpages.com

> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 5:05 PM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject:  Re: Statspack report !! Resending Can someone help Please
> 
> Hierarchical, network and relational. That's what it was.
> 
> My true age is - as per 4th of May this year - is 40. Big party, band
> playing,
> etc. About 130 guests. My wish list for all the guests I had invited was
> very
> short. Among the very few items were black socks, the latest book by John
> le
> Carre, a Leatherman Supertool and a Swiss Army knife.
> 
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Re: * I'm Looking for an Oracle Financials DBA for Miami, Florida..

2001-06-16 Thread Gregory Conron

On June 16, 2001 04:35 am, Jared Still wrote:
>Many of
> us consider this a service, especially the way that jobs are
> at the moment.

Amazing the difference a year can make, eh?

Cheers,
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RE: Tuning Sorts

2001-06-16 Thread Johnson Poovathummoottil




--- "Hillman, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sort allocate memory in chunks of 8K,

Is that the general rule or does it depend on any
parameter?

> should worry only in case
> when there are too many users who are doing large
> sorts simultaniously. Also
> I think memory is freed when records returned ( I am
> not sure).

Docs say that the memory once allocated to a sort is
not retured to to OS but to the PGA. The docs are
silent about when the memory is returned to the OS. Is
it when user session ends or at instance restart?.




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Re: Tuning Sorts

2001-06-16 Thread Greg Moore

> silent about when the memory is returned to the OS. Is
> it when user session ends or at instance restart?.

When the session ends.


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Oracle 8i installation problem

2001-06-16 Thread Pankaj Kumar

Hi All, 

Before I explain what I did, here is the system
configuration details : 

Hardware : 
CPU : Intel Pentium III 500 Mhz 
RAM : 256MB 
HDD : 15GB 

Software : 
OS : Solaris 8 for Intel 
Oracle : Oracle 8.1.7 Rel 3 

I first changed the /etc/system file by adding these
entries as it is given in the install.htm file. But it

failed. 

set shmsys:shminfo_shmmax=4294967295 
set shmsys:shminfo_shmmin=1 
set shmsys:shminfo_shmmni=100 
set shmsys:shminfo_sshmseg=10 
set semsys:seminfo_semmni=100 
set semsys:seminfo_semmsl=100 
set semsys:seminfo_semmns=200 
set semsys:seminfo_semopm=100 
set semsys:seminfo_semvmx=100 

I tried it for the second time by using the original
system generated file (the default) and it fails even
then. I suppose it is due to the shm parameters in 
the /etc/system file. 

Does anyone know what combination of shm parameters to

use with my HW configuration ? 

Is it possible to copy these files onto a floppy with
DOS format from Solaris. This way, I Can email you the

files atleast. 

I know that my Solaris skills are pretty bad. I'm
waiting for the Solaris 8 installation books to be
released so that I can get myself certified. 

Any idea which are the trace & log files that I need
to look into. 

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RE: Oracle 8i installation problem

2001-06-16 Thread Rajesh Dayal

Hi Pankaj,
With 256 MB RAM, you may not be able to set  

set shmsys:shminfo_shmmax=4294967295 

Try setting it to lower values 1-2 GB, It should
resolve the issue. Of course it shdn't have any impact on
Oracle's functioning ( If you have just 256 MB, you can't
allocate 4 GB to one single Mem Segment right??). 

HTH,
Rajesh
-Original Message-
Kumar
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 8:40 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Hi All, 

Before I explain what I did, here is the system
configuration details : 

Hardware : 
CPU : Intel Pentium III 500 Mhz 
RAM : 256MB 
HDD : 15GB 

Software : 
OS : Solaris 8 for Intel 
Oracle : Oracle 8.1.7 Rel 3 

I first changed the /etc/system file by adding these
entries as it is given in the install.htm file. But it

failed. 

set shmsys:shminfo_shmmax=4294967295 
set shmsys:shminfo_shmmin=1 
set shmsys:shminfo_shmmni=100 
set shmsys:shminfo_sshmseg=10 
set semsys:seminfo_semmni=100 
set semsys:seminfo_semmsl=100 
set semsys:seminfo_semmns=200 
set semsys:seminfo_semopm=100 
set semsys:seminfo_semvmx=100 

I tried it for the second time by using the original
system generated file (the default) and it fails even
then. I suppose it is due to the shm parameters in 
the /etc/system file. 

Does anyone know what combination of shm parameters to

use with my HW configuration ? 

Is it possible to copy these files onto a floppy with
DOS format from Solaris. This way, I Can email you the

files atleast. 

I know that my Solaris skills are pretty bad. I'm
waiting for the Solaris 8 installation books to be
released so that I can get myself certified. 

Any idea which are the trace & log files that I need
to look into. 

Thanks, 

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RE: Oracle 8i installation problem

2001-06-16 Thread Pankaj Kumar

Hi Rajesh,

Thanks for the info. I was not aware what shmmax value
was, though, I knew it is related to memory.

I had even left the /etc/system file unchanged during 
my 2nd installation attempt (I had copied system to
system.org) and tried. But it fails there too.

Thanks,
gopi


--- Rajesh Dayal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Pankaj,
>   With 256 MB RAM, you may not be able to set  
> 
> set shmsys:shminfo_shmmax=4294967295 
> 
>   Try setting it to lower values 1-2 GB, It should
> resolve the issue. Of course it shdn't have any
> impact on
> Oracle's functioning ( If you have just 256 MB, you
> can't
> allocate 4 GB to one single Mem Segment right??). 
> 
> HTH,
> Rajesh
> -Original Message-
> Kumar
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 8:40 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> Hi All, 
> 
> Before I explain what I did, here is the system
> configuration details : 
> 
> Hardware : 
> CPU : Intel Pentium III 500 Mhz 
> RAM : 256MB 
> HDD : 15GB 
> 
> Software : 
> OS : Solaris 8 for Intel 
> Oracle : Oracle 8.1.7 Rel 3 
> 
> I first changed the /etc/system file by adding these
> entries as it is given in the install.htm file. But
> it
> 
> failed. 
> 
> set shmsys:shminfo_shmmax=4294967295 
> set shmsys:shminfo_shmmin=1 
> set shmsys:shminfo_shmmni=100 
> set shmsys:shminfo_sshmseg=10 
> set semsys:seminfo_semmni=100 
> set semsys:seminfo_semmsl=100 
> set semsys:seminfo_semmns=200 
> set semsys:seminfo_semopm=100 
> set semsys:seminfo_semvmx=100 
> 
> I tried it for the second time by using the original
> system generated file (the default) and it fails
> even
> then. I suppose it is due to the shm parameters in 
> the /etc/system file. 
> 
> Does anyone know what combination of shm parameters
> to
> 
> use with my HW configuration ? 
> 
> Is it possible to copy these files onto a floppy
> with
> DOS format from Solaris. This way, I Can email you
> the
> 
> files atleast. 
> 
> I know that my Solaris skills are pretty bad. I'm
> waiting for the Solaris 8 installation books to be
> released so that I can get myself certified. 
> 
> Any idea which are the trace & log files that I need
> to look into. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
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RE: Oracle 8i installation problem

2001-06-16 Thread Rajesh Dayal

You have to increase this value.
The default value would be too small. I'm not
aware of default on solaris, but on TRU64 it's
somewhere around 45 MB ( don't remember exactly)...
So just increase this value to 1-2 GB and try 
once more, this should succeed.

Rajesh

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Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:55 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Hi Rajesh,

Thanks for the info. I was not aware what shmmax value
was, though, I knew it is related to memory.

I had even left the /etc/system file unchanged during 
my 2nd installation attempt (I had copied system to
system.org) and tried. But it fails there too.

Thanks,
gopi


--- Rajesh Dayal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Pankaj,
>   With 256 MB RAM, you may not be able to set  
> 
> set shmsys:shminfo_shmmax=4294967295 
> 
>   Try setting it to lower values 1-2 GB, It should
> resolve the issue. Of course it shdn't have any
> impact on
> Oracle's functioning ( If you have just 256 MB, you
> can't
> allocate 4 GB to one single Mem Segment right??). 
> 
> HTH,
> Rajesh
> -Original Message-
> Kumar
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 8:40 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> Hi All, 
> 
> Before I explain what I did, here is the system
> configuration details : 
> 
> Hardware : 
> CPU : Intel Pentium III 500 Mhz 
> RAM : 256MB 
> HDD : 15GB 
> 
> Software : 
> OS : Solaris 8 for Intel 
> Oracle : Oracle 8.1.7 Rel 3 
> 
> I first changed the /etc/system file by adding these
> entries as it is given in the install.htm file. But
> it
> 
> failed. 
> 
> set shmsys:shminfo_shmmax=4294967295 
> set shmsys:shminfo_shmmin=1 
> set shmsys:shminfo_shmmni=100 
> set shmsys:shminfo_sshmseg=10 
> set semsys:seminfo_semmni=100 
> set semsys:seminfo_semmsl=100 
> set semsys:seminfo_semmns=200 
> set semsys:seminfo_semopm=100 
> set semsys:seminfo_semvmx=100 
> 
> I tried it for the second time by using the original
> system generated file (the default) and it fails
> even
> then. I suppose it is due to the shm parameters in 
> the /etc/system file. 
> 
> Does anyone know what combination of shm parameters
> to
> 
> use with my HW configuration ? 
> 
> Is it possible to copy these files onto a floppy
> with
> DOS format from Solaris. This way, I Can email you
> the
> 
> files atleast. 
> 
> I know that my Solaris skills are pretty bad. I'm
> waiting for the Solaris 8 installation books to be
> released so that I can get myself certified. 
> 
> Any idea which are the trace & log files that I need
> to look into. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
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