RE: Apps Login Error

[Raymond Lee Meng Hong]

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Hi List -
After installing Apps 11.5.2 I am attempting to login for the first time. I
can login as sysadmin through 'personal homepage' without a problem. But
when I try to access individual modules by clicking on the links under
'application', I get the following:

   APP-FND-01508: Failed to connect

I click OK and it takes me to the next error:

   There are no valid navigations for this responsibility


Anybody knows what the problem could be?

TIA


Dennis Meng
Database Administrator
Focal Communications
847-954-8328

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ORA-12546 TNS:permission denied

[Sujatha Madan]

Hi,

My UNIX skills are next to nothing...but I am trying to set up an Oracle
database on a HP-UX system. I have managed to do most things except one
thing.

I need the root user to be able to run svrmgrl and create/modify a database
and objects within the database.

I have added the root user to the dba group and set the appropriate Oracle
environment variables in "root's" .profile file, however whenever I invoke
svrmgrl I get a ORA 12456 error.

Could someone please help me!

Thanks in advance

Sujatha Madan 
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Re: completely off-topic question...

[Yosi Greenfield]

Oy - I could NOT get through The Silmarillion, even though I loved
the Hobbit (I was but a kid), and I really liked the Trilogy (although
I admit to skipping lots of the songs and such...)

Some people really read The Silmarillion, huh?

Rachel Carmichael wrote:

> at least I read all of them, I even read The Silmarillion (sp?) before
> deciding that these were books that were never going to be on my "to be
> re-read" list
>
> I remember, from the animated Hobbit, the face of Frodo, and Gollum saying
> over and over "MY Preciouss" and "SNEAKING!"
>
> it sometimes amazes me what I can dredge up from the depths of the black
> hole I call my memory... I haven't seen that in at least 20 years, and I
> haven't read the books in longer than that. And no, I'm not going to try to
> read them again now to see if they are better than I remember. Too much to
> read, too little time to read it in
>
> >From: Jared Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: completely off-topic question...
> >Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 14:50:23 -0800
> >
> >On Saturday 04 August 2001 16:25, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > I am NOT a fan of Tolkein. I have read the Lord of the Rings trilogy and
> > > The Hobbit, seen the Bakshi version of the trilogy and the cartoon
> >version
> > > of The Hobbit. Sorry, he just doesn't do it for me
> > >
> > > 
> >
> >Oh my,  it's a good thing this is via email.
> >
> >Just wait till the next IOUG and I'll slip my ring on...
> >
> >Jared
> >
> > >
> > > Rachel
> > >
> > > From: "Thater, William" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: Re: completely off-topic question...
> > > >Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 10:46:04 -0800
> > > >
> > > >Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> > > > > oh, my library is relatively small -- when you add in all technical,
> > > > > fiction, science fiction, mystery, craft books, throw in the
> >knitting
> > > > > magazines I still only have about 7 bookcases.
> > > >
> > > >only 7?;-)  sadly my collection was ... um... dispatched by a
> > > >vindictive first wife so i have nothing left.:-(
> > > >
> > > >i miss many of them including "stranger in a strange land" and a boxed
> > > >set of hobbit and lord of the rings.  *sigh*
> > > >
> > > >i guess if i had the time i should start hunting in the second hand
> >book
> > > >shops.
> > > >
> > > >maybe later today if i get out of work in time.
> > > >
> > > >having "fun" playing with 9iAS and portal.;-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--

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RE: 8.1.5/HP-UX 11/all_objects view

[Deshpande, Kirti]

Joe/Mike: 
If the synonyms are PUBLIC they will appear in ALL_OBJECTS and ALL_SYNONYMS.

If these are PRIVATE synonyms, they will not appear in ALL_OBJECTS, even if
the user has access to the table. 

With access to the table PRIVATE synonyms will appear in ALL_SYNONYMS, else
not.  

What type of synonyms are we dealing with here? 

Regards,

- Kirti Deshpande 
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> 
> ok unless i'm missing something here(which i could be, as i'm battling
> installing a stupid printer under linux but thats another story).
> 
> all_objects shows all objects you own or have access to.
> 
> all_synonyms show all synonyms you own AND all public synonyms.
> 
> so if you there is a public synonym on an object you dont have access to
> it won't appear in all_objects but will appear in all_synonyms.
> 
> Anyone care to straighten me out, or did i get it right :)
> 
> joe
> "Vergara, Michael (TEM)" wrote:
> > 
> > Hi All!
> > 
> > My question for today is 'when is an object supposed to be displayed
> > in the ALL_OBJECTS view?'.
> > 
> > I have a schema id which is a legacy id - left over from a previous
> > version of our data warehouse.  In this legacy schema are synonyms for
> > the tables in the new schema.  Grants and all are ok.
> > 
> > When I log in as a user with the correct (I think) roles assigned, I
> > want to do a select of ALL_OBJECTS and see what objects are still
> > referenced in the legacy schema.  However, these synonyms do not appear.
> > 
> > They're in ALL_SYNONYMS, but not ALL_OBJECTS.  I can query the synonyms
> in
> > a select statement so I know I have rights.
> > 
> > Why do I not see these objects in ALL_OBJECTS?
> > 
> > Thanx,
> > Mike
> > 
> > ---
> >
> ==
> =
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> > Oracle DBA  | today.  It's already tomorrow in Australia.
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RE: v$session_waits

[Deshpande, Kirti]

Rodd,
Those are explained in the Oracle Server Reference Guide - Appendix A.
(http://tahiti.oracle.com/pls/tahiti/tahiti.homepage).
You may also want to review Anjo Kolk's paper on Wait events "Oracle7 Wait
Events and Enqueues" at http://www.evdbt.com/library.htm (#18). 
If you would like, you may post the events that you are noticing waits on,
that would give us more information to help you out. 
Was analyzing done the same way as before? 

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> 
> Is there a document somewhere that describes what the p1..., p2..., p3...
> fields are and what the different values mean?  Some of the values are
> obvious, but some are rather cryptic.  I am struggling with tuning a
> Clarify
> 8.5 SR2.9 instance and need to fix some issues.  I just finished
> rebuilding
> the indexes into a separate tablespace from the data (the default when you
> run their index scripts is to leave them together).  Now users are
> complaining that performance is actually worse!!?  Yes, I did reanalyze
> everything.  I have bumped up the DB_BLOCK_LRU_LATCHES TO 12*cpu count
> which
> was recommended in Gaja's white paper.  I'm open to suggestions.  I have
> users ready to take up arms over the performance issues.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Rodd Holman
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Re: 8.1.5/HP-UX 11/all_objects view

[Joe Testa]

ok unless i'm missing something here(which i could be, as i'm battling
installing a stupid printer under linux but thats another story).

all_objects shows all objects you own or have access to.

all_synonyms show all synonyms you own AND all public synonyms.

so if you there is a public synonym on an object you dont have access to
it won't appear in all_objects but will appear in all_synonyms.

Anyone care to straighten me out, or did i get it right :)

joe
"Vergara, Michael (TEM)" wrote:
> 
> Hi All!
> 
> My question for today is 'when is an object supposed to be displayed
> in the ALL_OBJECTS view?'.
> 
> I have a schema id which is a legacy id - left over from a previous
> version of our data warehouse.  In this legacy schema are synonyms for
> the tables in the new schema.  Grants and all are ok.
> 
> When I log in as a user with the correct (I think) roles assigned, I
> want to do a select of ALL_OBJECTS and see what objects are still
> referenced in the legacy schema.  However, these synonyms do not appear.
> 
> They're in ALL_SYNONYMS, but not ALL_OBJECTS.  I can query the synonyms in
> a select statement so I know I have rights.
> 
> Why do I not see these objects in ALL_OBJECTS?
> 
> Thanx,
> Mike
> 
> ---
> ===
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> Oracle DBA  | today.  It's already tomorrow in Australia.
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Re: dynamic sql problem

[DBarbour]

Which is the problem statement?  I didn't see the bold.



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HI,

I am running a stored procdures which contains following dynamic sql ..i am
getting error:
ORA-00936 missing expression. for the bold statement while rest of
statements r properly executing..
what might be the reason..
and temp_   are variables declared..
and name1,name2,name3 are dynamically generated table names..

str := 'alter table'||' '||name2||' '||'disable constraint'||'
'||temp1_cons;
execute immediate str;
str := 'alter table'||' '||name3||' '||'disable constraint'||' '
||temp_cons;
execute immediate str;
str :='update '||' '||name2||' '||' set id_sess=id_sess + '||'
'||temp_id_sess_2;
execute immediate str;
str :='update '||' '||name3||' '||' set id_sess = id_sess +'||'
'||temp_id_sess_3;
execute immediate str;
str :='create table'||' '||enum||' '||'as select * from'||' '||name1||'
'||'union
select * from'||' '||name2||' '||'union select * from'||' '||name3;
execute immediate str;



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8.1.5/HP-UX 11/all_objects view

[Vergara, Michael (TEM)]

Hi All!

My question for today is 'when is an object supposed to be displayed 
in the ALL_OBJECTS view?'.

I have a schema id which is a legacy id - left over from a previous
version of our data warehouse.  In this legacy schema are synonyms for
the tables in the new schema.  Grants and all are ok.

When I log in as a user with the correct (I think) roles assigned, I
want to do a select of ALL_OBJECTS and see what objects are still 
referenced in the legacy schema.  However, these synonyms do not appear.

They're in ALL_SYNONYMS, but not ALL_OBJECTS.  I can query the synonyms in
a select statement so I know I have rights.

Why do I not see these objects in ALL_OBJECTS?

Thanx,
Mike

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(Fwd) RE: EJBs and web beans

[Eric D. Pierce]

fyi, see appended message for free PL/SQL->JAVA trial converter.

I accidentally deleted all Oracle-L digests since last friday,
sorry if I missed anything that should have come to my attention.

regards,
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Jennifer,

If you are interested in reusing as much of your existing business logic
held in PL/SQL and getting that across to Java you might want to consider
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in2j from Quintessence Systems (www.in2j.com) perform a completely automated
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Jennifer A.
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All,

Thank you in advance!

Our shop is new to Java and we are trying to decide the 'best'
approach to transition to Java from PL/SQL.  It is currently undecided
whether or not we are going to a 100% java shop, but the possibility is
there (Please don't ask why!).  If this is done, it will be in phases.  The
modeling is being done in Rational Rose, but we are going to use JDeveloper
for implementation.  We were directed to implement a messaging 'subsystem'
as the first phase.   Messaging will be composed of sending out free form
email (broadcasting) and sending automatic emails (triggered by pressing an
'update' button) via web pages (using JSPs).

Several people in the office are looking at different ways to
implement this.  Some of the suggestions are to use EJB or BC4J or Web
beans(Is this comparing apples to oranges?).  We are very new to Java and we
are learning as we go.  Is there an advantage of using EJBs over Web bean or
BC4J and vise versa? (The EJB email example I have seems much more complex
than the email web bean example.  BC4Js are simple to design, but involve
customization and are Oracle specific.  (the shop is not sure if we want to
stay Oracle specific))  Has anyone else had to deal with this dilemma?  If
so, what was decided?

We will also have to use Java Stored Proc to call some of the
existing web pages.  Are there any down sides to that?  Is that 'normal'
practice?

I also know that Oracle offers the UML_SMTP, but that is not a
desired route for the office.

Jennifer Gregory

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[Holman, Rodney]

Is there a document somewhere that describes what the p1..., p2..., p3...
fields are and what the different values mean?  Some of the values are
obvious, but some are rather cryptic.  I am struggling with tuning a Clarify
8.5 SR2.9 instance and need to fix some issues.  I just finished rebuilding
the indexes into a separate tablespace from the data (the default when you
run their index scripts is to leave them together).  Now users are
complaining that performance is actually worse!!?  Yes, I did reanalyze
everything.  I have bumped up the DB_BLOCK_LRU_LATCHES TO 12*cpu count which
was recommended in Gaja's white paper.  I'm open to suggestions.  I have
users ready to take up arms over the performance issues.

TIA

Rodd Holman
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Bozeman

[Yosi Greenfield]

Walt (the resident Bozemanian), and All,

I don't know if you heard or saw, the cover story in Inc magazine
this week was all about Bozeman (and some other places).
Some absolutely beautiful pictures in there too.

(I shoulda posted this on Friday. When you're on extended
vacation, Friday is much the same as Monday, and Friday I
was out mostly.)

Yosi


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RE: Re[2]: OT -- the volume of job postings is way down

[Norwood Bradly A]

Same thing happened to me about 15 years ago and the doc said I was
presbyopic; I tried to correct him by explaining that Buddhism was my
interest at that time. 

-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 5:05 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Hey, the last time I visited by eye doctor he diagnosed me with something
that I
can't pronounce for the world.  Therefore I gave him the "HUH!!" statement.
He
replied that it was only a large name for forty and promptly placed
bi-focals on
my face.  Well I hate to admit it too, but they have helped.

BTW: I really don't appreciate it when replies from the list wrap in funny
places, but then I know it's my mail package (something ancient from a
company
named Lotus called CCMail) and not the list.  Therefore I don't get angry at
you
all about it.

Dick Goulet

Reply Separator
Author: "Ruth Gramolini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:   8/6/2001 12:57 PM

I have worn glasses since I was 8 years old, the only thing I don't need
them for is the computer and reading.

But thanks for trying,
Ruth
- Original Message -
To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 3:48 PM


> Ruth,
>
> my wife insists on buying the $1 1x or 2x glasses at the dollar store for
> "over 40 eyesite".
> She swears by'em - they work, and are much cheaper than an eye-doctor (she
> used to work at an Opthomologists office - he suggested it to save a
buck!)
>
> give-em a try!  :)
>
> Tom Mercadante
> Oracle Certified Professional
>
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 3:24 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Why do some of you insist on sending messages in tiny print.  I have a
> headache without trying to read it, so I hit the delete key before I even
> find out that it's something I want to know or know about and could
answer.
>
> Old age is a bitch...
> Ruth
> - Original Message -
> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 3:32 PM
>
>
> ok so who downloaded the war dialer after that movie and "surfed" for
modems
> :)
>
> i did in NY
>
> joe
>
>
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/03/01 03:00PM >>>
> I agree with this. We need some more retro geekiness. We should try to be
> more like that programmer in the movie War Games that had to be told when
he
> was being rude and insensitive.
>
> Mike
>
>
> >From: "Kevin Kostyszyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: OT -- the volume of job postings is way down
> >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:26:32 -0800
> >
> >You know the other problem is that "geek" tools are becoming more and
more
> >cool!!  Palm Pilots and cell phones and such, everyone wants to play with
> >these things.  I agree, full on geekness is the only solution!
> >KK
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:52 PM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >The weight in ounces of the Sunday San Jose Mercury News Classifieds is a
> >valid measure of economic activity. At one point it was around 24 pages
for
> >IT jobs but it recently has been down to 1-2 pages.
> >
> >A few years ago, despite the positive outlook for careers in computer
> >science, students majoring in computer science was down because of the
geek
> >stigma. The result was a shortage in IT workers. Then came the Internet
> >bubble and students began jumping onto the computer science bandwagon.
> >So...
> >to ensure demand for our services we should discourage student enrollment
> >in
> >the computer sciences by playing up the geek, propeller-head thing. :-)
> >
> >Got pocket protector?
> >Steve Orr
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 9:51 AM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >Another sign of the times is that ITI is closing its US schools.
> >  For those who don't know - it is a computer training school. They
started
> >years
> >ago as a school in Atlantic Canada offering a 10 month course. Later they
> >expanded to few Canadian and US cities. Last year they advertised on TV
and
> >radio about 400,000 unfilled positions in e-commerce etc. and
> >offered-commerce
> >training. Yesterday I have heard that they are scaling back...
> >
> >Witold
> >
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RE: For those who got Code Red in the face

[Jack C. Applewhite]

Our webserver got hit a couple of weeks ago.  It got cleaned up and the
security patch(es) applied.  I thought nothing more about it.

However, I think it or a variant got three of our other Win2k servers that
don't run IIS at all.  Yesterday I found a strange process, VMGR32.exe,
chewing up 50% CPU on our production db server.  The file, in
C:\WinNT\System32, was dated 07/30/2001 08:40pm.  Another file, acer4.exe,
of exactly the same size, 272KB, had exactly the same datetime.  Neither
file shows the usual "Version" tab in the Properties window (after right
click on the file).  I searched the Microsoft site and did a Google search
on both, with zero hits.  Suspicious...

I checked out
 http://www.net-security.org/text/articles/coverage/code-red/
but couldn't see any similarities until it suggested running netstat -an to
see if your server was connecting to dozens of random IP addresses at port
:80.  I did and ours was!

I changed the service "Remote Administration Service" (which loads
VMGR32.exe) to Manual and rebooted the servers.  The connections to random
IP addresses at port :80 have stopped and VMGR32.exe is no longer running as
a process.

I also installed Win2k Service Pack 2.

I hope I've squashed this worm!  Have I?  Are the port :80 connections and
VMGR32.exe related or have I been chasing the wrong culprit?  The NT
sysadmin at our colocation facility isn't a lot of help (one reason we're
looking to switch pretty soon!), so I'm kind of at a loss.

Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Jack


Jack C. Applewhite
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OCP Oracle8 DBA
iNetProfit, Inc.
Austin, Texas
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New worm targets same systems as Code Red

Security analysts warned that a new and potentially dangerous worm began
circulating over the weekend, targeting the same Windows-based servers as
the
high-profile Code Red worm.

http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO62834_NLTAM%2C00.html
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RE: Applying Patchsets ? Learn This Parameter

[Post, Ethan]

I can do better than that...page 141 of the Migration Guide.

Make sure the _SYSTEM_TRIG_ENABLED initialization parameter is set to
FALSE in the initialization parameter file. If this initialization parameter
is not
currently set, then explicitly set it to FALSE:
_SYSTEM_TRIG_ENABLED = FALSE

- Ethan
- http://www.geocities.com/epost1

>-Original Message-
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>_SYSTEM_TRIG_ENABL
>
>
>Hi Ian ,
>there is an article on this in metastink 
>doc id : 149948.1
>HTH
>cheers ,
>RS 
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Re[2]: OT -- the volume of job postings is way down

[dgoulet]

Hey, the last time I visited by eye doctor he diagnosed me with something that I
can't pronounce for the world.  Therefore I gave him the "HUH!!" statement.  He
replied that it was only a large name for forty and promptly placed bi-focals on
my face.  Well I hate to admit it too, but they have helped.

BTW: I really don't appreciate it when replies from the list wrap in funny
places, but then I know it's my mail package (something ancient from a company
named Lotus called CCMail) and not the list.  Therefore I don't get angry at you
all about it.

Dick Goulet

Reply Separator
Author: "Ruth Gramolini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:   8/6/2001 12:57 PM

I have worn glasses since I was 8 years old, the only thing I don't need
them for is the computer and reading.

But thanks for trying,
Ruth
- Original Message -
To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 3:48 PM


> Ruth,
>
> my wife insists on buying the $1 1x or 2x glasses at the dollar store for
> "over 40 eyesite".
> She swears by'em - they work, and are much cheaper than an eye-doctor (she
> used to work at an Opthomologists office - he suggested it to save a
buck!)
>
> give-em a try!  :)
>
> Tom Mercadante
> Oracle Certified Professional
>
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 3:24 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Why do some of you insist on sending messages in tiny print.  I have a
> headache without trying to read it, so I hit the delete key before I even
> find out that it's something I want to know or know about and could
answer.
>
> Old age is a bitch...
> Ruth
> - Original Message -
> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 3:32 PM
>
>
> ok so who downloaded the war dialer after that movie and "surfed" for
modems
> :)
>
> i did in NY
>
> joe
>
>
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/03/01 03:00PM >>>
> I agree with this. We need some more retro geekiness. We should try to be
> more like that programmer in the movie War Games that had to be told when
he
> was being rude and insensitive.
>
> Mike
>
>
> >From: "Kevin Kostyszyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: OT -- the volume of job postings is way down
> >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:26:32 -0800
> >
> >You know the other problem is that "geek" tools are becoming more and
more
> >cool!!  Palm Pilots and cell phones and such, everyone wants to play with
> >these things.  I agree, full on geekness is the only solution!
> >KK
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:52 PM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >The weight in ounces of the Sunday San Jose Mercury News Classifieds is a
> >valid measure of economic activity. At one point it was around 24 pages
for
> >IT jobs but it recently has been down to 1-2 pages.
> >
> >A few years ago, despite the positive outlook for careers in computer
> >science, students majoring in computer science was down because of the
geek
> >stigma. The result was a shortage in IT workers. Then came the Internet
> >bubble and students began jumping onto the computer science bandwagon.
> >So...
> >to ensure demand for our services we should discourage student enrollment
> >in
> >the computer sciences by playing up the geek, propeller-head thing. :-)
> >
> >Got pocket protector?
> >Steve Orr
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 9:51 AM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >Another sign of the times is that ITI is closing its US schools.
> >  For those who don't know - it is a computer training school. They
started
> >years
> >ago as a school in Atlantic Canada offering a 10 month course. Later they
> >expanded to few Canadian and US cities. Last year they advertised on TV
and
> >radio about 400,000 unfilled positions in e-commerce etc. and
> >offered-commerce
> >training. Yesterday I have heard that they are scaling back...
> >
> >Witold
> >
> >--
> >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
> >--
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RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Rachel Carmichael]

learning is not necessarily solving problems... when I learn a poem, or 
learn about history,there's no problem I am solving.

I was motivated to learn physics, it was an important requirement of my 
degree program. I could not "get it". Didn;t matter how hard I tried, it 
never became clear. I squeaked by with barely a passing grade.

oh, and it's 'deem', not deam -- there is no such word.

IQ is a biased testing in any case child who have not grown up in an 
environment conducive to learning tend to show lower IQ scores. It is NOT 
scientifically valid.


>From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 11:56:01 -0800
>
>I disagree.  But I am speaking in a purely technical term of learning, not
>factoring other things such as interest.
>
>That is like saying an engine is not a power plant of a vehicle because
>there is a brick wall stoping it from driving away.
>
>I am sure if you were interested you could learn physics and communication.
>Surely you may not be interested in it, but you have the ability to do so 
>if
>you so chose.  Your ability to have that ability is what I deam as IQ.
>
>Some people may try and try and never learn physics no matter how much they
>want to.  This is where I 'believe' IQ has taken it's toll.
>
>But I think we are saying the similar, I agree IQ is the capacity, but it 
>is
>also what detirmines how you grasp things and how quickly you can solve
>problems.  Learning in my opinion is the same as solving problems.  Which 
>is
>what IQ is all about.
>
>"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
>when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."
>
>Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
>Oracle DBA
>Phone: (978) 322-5744
>Fax:(707) 885-2275
>
>Fuelspot
>73 Princeton Street
>North, Chelmsford 01863
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 3:24 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>depends on what you are learning. My IQ is not low, yet I CANNOT for the
>life of me learn physics or data communications.
>
>IQ may be part of it. INTEREST in the subject is part too.
>
>and IQ is not ability to learn, but capacity to learn.
>
>
> >From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
> >Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:39:27 -0800
> >
> >IQ from what I understand is COMPLETELY related to how fast you learn.
> >
> >IQ is your ability to learn, nothing to do with how "Smart" you are.
> >
> >Smart is how much you know, nothing to do with how you learn.
> >
> >"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that
> >way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their
> >shoes."
> >
> >Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
> >Oracle DBA
> >Phone: (978) 322-5744
> >Fax:(707) 885-2275
> >
> >Fuelspot
> >73 Princeton Street
> >North, Chelmsford 01863
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:06 PM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >since when did IQ have any relation to how fast you learn?
> >
> >some of the most brilliant people I know are slow thinkers, who take
> >time
> >to
> >
> >process what they are learning and take even more time to make sure
> >that what they are saying is accurate before they speak.
> >
> >
> > >From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
> > >Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:56:32 -0800
> > >
> > >I would be curious of HOW WELL he knows those things.
> > >Anyone can learn most of everything out there, but to be able to do
> > >it and do it well is another thing.
> > >
> > >Also when you go so many directions like that, you never work on the
> > >same thing for long, which means you need to be able to jump back
> > >into something else VERY quickly or there is no sense learning it in
> > >the first place.
> > >
> > >There is one thing as being good at many things, but when the sh%t
> > >really hits the fan, you call someone that knows what their doing,
> > >not the jack of all trades.
> > >
> > >I being 26, I found myself becoming a jack of all trades, and I think
> > >I still am.  I did not like that, so I picked up Oracle about 3.5
> > >years ago and decided I am going to take one thing, and be damn good
> > >at it. I was a good system admin and adapted very well.  But I did
> > >not get the luxery of REALLY knowing everything about what I was
> > >using.  Although I generally can figure things out extremely quick
> > >where it appears I know it.  "I!" was not comfortab

Re: ORA-00600 on Production DB - Need advice

[Thater, William]

Ruth Gramolini wrote:
> 
> 1-800-223-1711
> 
> I have what used to be Silver Support  and that works. When I had wht used
> to be Bronze Support I didn't have an 800 number.
> 
> Good luck!
> Ruth

and they are going to tell you that you have to file an iTAR with
metalink first.


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One ping to find them,
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RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Rachel Carmichael]

artistic? I think you mean autistic... which is an entirely DIFFERENT word 
and meaning


>From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 12:08:19 -0800
>
>IQ is not common sense, it is problem solving.
>
>Even Einstein was considered stupid in many respects somewhat artistic.
>
>"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
>when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."
>
>Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
>Oracle DBA
>Phone: (978) 322-5744
>Fax:(707) 885-2275
>
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>
>
>
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>
>
>Don't know what my IQ is, and don't care.  I'll take my street smarts any
>day.  My wife worked with some lady who, whenever introducing herself,
>always made sure she let you know she was a MENSA member.  She (and just as
>many "he's" out there, not to be sexist) was also the kind of person to pay
>$39.99 for a blinker fluid change...
>
>__
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>
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>
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>
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>
>
>depends on what you are learning. My IQ is not low, yet I CANNOT for the
>life of me learn physics or data communications.
>
>IQ may be part of it. INTEREST in the subject is part too.
>
>and IQ is not ability to learn, but capacity to learn.
>
>
> >From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
> >Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:39:27 -0800
> >
> >IQ from what I understand is COMPLETELY related to how fast you learn.
> >
> >IQ is your ability to learn, nothing to do with how "Smart" you are.
> >
> >Smart is how much you know, nothing to do with how you learn.
> >
> >"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that
> >way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their
> >shoes."
> >
> >Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
> >Oracle DBA
> >Phone: (978) 322-5744
> >Fax:(707) 885-2275
> >
> >Fuelspot
> >73 Princeton Street
> >North, Chelmsford 01863
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:06 PM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >since when did IQ have any relation to how fast you learn?
> >
> >some of the most brilliant people I know are slow thinkers, who take
> >time
> >to
> >
> >process what they are learning and take even more time to make sure
> >that what they are saying is accurate before they speak.
> >
> >
> > >From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
> > >Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:56:32 -0800
> > >
> > >I would be curious of HOW WELL he knows those things.
> > >Anyone can learn most of everything out there, but to be able to do
> > >it and do it well is another thing.
> > >
> > >Also when you go so many directions like that, you never work on the
> > >same thing for long, which means you need to be able to jump back
> > >into something else VERY quickly or there is no sense learning it in
> > >the first place.
> > >
> > >There is one thing as being good at many things, but when the sh%t
> > >really hits the fan, you call someone that knows what their doing,
> > >not the jack of all trades.
> > >
> > >I being 26, I found myself becoming a jack of all trades, and I think
> > >I still am.  I did not like that, so I picked up Oracle about 3.5
> > >years ago and decided I am going to take one thing, and be damn good
> > >at it. I was a good system admin and adapted very well.  But I did
> > >not get the luxery of REALLY knowing everything about what I was
> > >using.  Although I generally can figure things out extremely quick
> > >where it appears I know it.  "I!" was not comfortable with my
> > >accomplishments, I wanted to know more and more.  I could not do that
> > >doing what I was doing, broad generalization was not how I wanted to
> > >be.
> > >
> > >With an iq of 147, I think I can be considered a very quick learner.
> > >I know for a fact that 4 years ago when I was 22, I could not do all
> > >of what was claimed in previous email by Mark (Oracle DBA, Sybase
> > >Admin, SQL Server DBA,
> > >JAVA, HTML) and consider myself great at it.  Although you can be very
> > >comfortable with the

RE: RE: Supert market desgn

[Aponte, Tony]

Title: RE: RE: Supert market desgn






Too rich for my blood.  It's probably targeted at professional modelers.  At our site modeling is treated as a luxury we can't afford (even though we sell $1.3+ billion per year).

Tony 


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Tony,


    That's interesting!  The books look pretty good, I'll have to order a set,

but that CD-ROM is kindof pricey ($300.00), isn't it?


Dick Goulet


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Wiley ( www.wiley.com) has a series on data models for different

businesses businesses that begin with the title The Data Model Resource

Book: A Library of Universal Data Models for All Enterprises...   


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Hi friends,

  I would like to know the name of site where i could

find any document related to designing of database for a

supermarket chain speard across the country.

 

Please help me regarding the document.

 

Thank's in advance.

 

Regards

 

Saravana.

 



















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  Thank's in advance.

   

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Re: OT -- the volume of job postings is way down

[Ruth Gramolini]

I have worn glasses since I was 8 years old, the only thing I don't need
them for is the computer and reading.

But thanks for trying,
Ruth
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> Ruth,
>
> my wife insists on buying the $1 1x or 2x glasses at the dollar store for
> "over 40 eyesite".
> She swears by'em - they work, and are much cheaper than an eye-doctor (she
> used to work at an Opthomologists office - he suggested it to save a
buck!)
>
> give-em a try!  :)
>
> Tom Mercadante
> Oracle Certified Professional
>
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 3:24 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Why do some of you insist on sending messages in tiny print.  I have a
> headache without trying to read it, so I hit the delete key before I even
> find out that it's something I want to know or know about and could
answer.
>
> Old age is a bitch...
> Ruth
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>
>
> ok so who downloaded the war dialer after that movie and "surfed" for
modems
> :)
>
> i did in NY
>
> joe
>
>
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/03/01 03:00PM >>>
> I agree with this. We need some more retro geekiness. We should try to be
> more like that programmer in the movie War Games that had to be told when
he
> was being rude and insensitive.
>
> Mike
>
>
> >From: "Kevin Kostyszyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >Subject: RE: OT -- the volume of job postings is way down
> >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:26:32 -0800
> >
> >You know the other problem is that "geek" tools are becoming more and
more
> >cool!!  Palm Pilots and cell phones and such, everyone wants to play with
> >these things.  I agree, full on geekness is the only solution!
> >KK
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:52 PM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >The weight in ounces of the Sunday San Jose Mercury News Classifieds is a
> >valid measure of economic activity. At one point it was around 24 pages
for
> >IT jobs but it recently has been down to 1-2 pages.
> >
> >A few years ago, despite the positive outlook for careers in computer
> >science, students majoring in computer science was down because of the
geek
> >stigma. The result was a shortage in IT workers. Then came the Internet
> >bubble and students began jumping onto the computer science bandwagon.
> >So...
> >to ensure demand for our services we should discourage student enrollment
> >in
> >the computer sciences by playing up the geek, propeller-head thing. :-)
> >
> >Got pocket protector?
> >Steve Orr
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
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> >
> >Another sign of the times is that ITI is closing its US schools.
> >  For those who don't know - it is a computer training school. They
started
> >years
> >ago as a school in Atlantic Canada offering a 10 month course. Later they
> >expanded to few Canadian and US cities. Last year they advertised on TV
and
> >radio about 400,000 unfilled positions in e-commerce etc. and
> >offered-commerce
> >training. Yesterday I have heard that they are scaling back...
> >
> >Witold
> >
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RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Rachel Carmichael]

yep -- which is why most schools no longer use them.




>From: Henry Poras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
>But how is culture, or the observation that some people need visual vs.
>verbal cues taken account of in the test?
>E are you out there?
>
>I don't know, but I get the feeling that an IQ test is about as useful as 
>an
>OCP exam.
>
>Henry
>
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>
>
>Yes, people are "born" with IQ, not smarts.
>
>I also believe you can alter your IQ slightly.
>
>From what I understand (which may be wrong) is IQ is simply how many gallon
>tank you were blessed with.
>It does not measure how much you filled this tank.
>
>"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
>when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."
>
>Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
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>
>
>
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>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 3:04 PM
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>
>I decided to delete most of the messages to make this list shorter.
>
>Was any one born with  "Smart/Einstein" ability without learning?
>
>
>
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>
>
>IQ from what I understand is COMPLETELY related to how fast you learn.
>
>IQ is your ability to learn, nothing to do with how "Smart" you are.
>
>Smart is how much you know, nothing to do with how you learn.
>
>"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
>when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."
>
>Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
>Oracle DBA
>Phone: (978) 322-5744
>Fax:(707) 885-2275
>
>Fuelspot
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>
>
>
>
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>
>
>since when did IQ have any relation to how fast you learn?
>
>some of the most brilliant people I know are slow thinkers, who take time 
>to
>
>process what they are learning and take even more time to make sure that
>what they are saying is accurate before they speak.
>
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RE: completely off-topic question...

[Rachel Carmichael]

I wasn't referring to you specifically... just happened to be a handy post


>From: "Mercadante, Thomas F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
>Rachel,
>
>did I criticize anyone here today?  :)
>
>Tom Mercadante
>{apparently misguided} Oracle Certified Professional
>
>
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>
>
>Tom,
>
>yes I pick nits. Words have power. I also do not criticize people who hold
>different opinions than mine... I figure they are allowed to be misguided 
>:)
>
>Rachel
>
>
> >From: "Mercadante, Thomas F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:06:00 -0800
> >
> >Rachel,
> >
> >Alright, alright... it *probably* has not been translated into the 
>various
> >dialects of China.  (I would not be surprised if it has, however).
> >
> >Just because you don't like it, does not diminish its impact on the
> >literary
> >world!  :)
> >
> >My apologies to Jared if I mis-read something.
> >
> >
> >   NitPicker!
> >
> >
> >Tom Mercadante
> >Oracle Certified Professional
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 1:14 PM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >
> > >And Jared, you are allowed to not like something that the majority of 
>the
> > >world thinks is pretty spectacular.  Free country!  :)
> > >
> > >Tom Mercadante
> > >Oracle Certified Professional
> > >
> >
> >
> >"majority of the world" laying it on pretty thick there Tom. I
> >seriously
> >
> >doubt that most of the people in the world have heard of the Lord of the
> >Rings, let alone read it... you really think most of the non-english
> >speaking Chinese population, as an example, have read it?
> >
> >Let's keep the hyperbole down to a reasonable level, okay? :)
> >
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RE: completely off-topic question...

[Rachel Carmichael]

I know, and bringing in the big guns (moms) wasn't fair :)


>From: "Miller, Jay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
>Well, okay.  But gee, he didn't invent his own language or anything...
>
>
>
>Jay
>
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>
>
>Jay,
>
>That's okay -- I'll get my mom to talk to your aunt to have her talk to 
>your
>
>mom... they'll make you talk to me :)
>
>Besides, I agree with you about Asimov -- that should count for something
>
>Rachel
>
>
> >From: "Miller, Jay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >Subject: RE: completely off-topic question...
> >Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:50:39 -0800
> >
> >Just for the record, LeGuin's novel is entitled "The Dispossessed".  But 
>I
> >agree that it's a great book.
> >
> >Just reread Asimov's "The Gods Themselves" two weeks ago.  My favorite of
> >his books, I stopped reading them when he started combining them into one
> >mish mash of a future history.
> >
> >Whoever said Zelazny was one of their favorites, full agreement here.  
>Lord
> >of Light is probably my all time favorite sf work.
> >
> >Another current author worth checking out is Lois McMaster Bujold.  She
> >rights very fast moving, *very* readable sf novels (the whole Vorkosigan
> >series, I'd recommend reading them in order) and has one excellent 
>fantasy:
> >The Spirit Ring.
> >
> >For current fantasy, I really like Stephen Brust, though he can be 
>uneven.
> >Still, if you're a fan of the The Three Musketeers then his book The
> >Phoenix
> >Guards is absolutely hilarious.
> >
> >And Rachel:  I'm afraid I can't speak to you any more now that I know you
> >don't like Tolkien :).
> >
> >Jay Miller
> >
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> > > I prefer Science Fantasy to Science Fiction (Marion Zimmer
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> >needs to mention Larry Niven (his "known space" series is the one that
> >taught me the acronym "tanstaafl") and Ursula K. LeGuin ("The 
>Unpossessed"
> >is one of my favourite books of all time; unfortunately she wasn't very
> >prolific).
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> >And of course an obeisance to Isaac Asimov. I can honestly say I think 
>I've
> >read all his science-fiction novels and short stories. H. G. Wells and
> >Jules
> >Verne should not be forgotten either.
> >
> >Amongst the more recent authors I've encountered, I always recommend C. 
>J.
> >Cherryh (try "Downbelow Station" and "Cyteen") and Kim Stanley Robinson
> >("Red Mars", "Green Mars", "Blue Mars" - an excellent description of what
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RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Henry Poras]

But how is culture, or the observation that some people need visual vs.
verbal cues taken account of in the test? 
E are you out there?

I don't know, but I get the feeling that an IQ test is about as useful as an
OCP exam.

Henry

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Yes, people are "born" with IQ, not smarts.

I also believe you can alter your IQ slightly.

>From what I understand (which may be wrong) is IQ is simply how many gallon
tank you were blessed with.
It does not measure how much you filled this tank.
 
"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

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I decided to delete most of the messages to make this list shorter.

Was any one born with  "Smart/Einstein" ability without learning?



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IQ from what I understand is COMPLETELY related to how fast you learn.

IQ is your ability to learn, nothing to do with how "Smart" you are.

Smart is how much you know, nothing to do with how you learn.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

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since when did IQ have any relation to how fast you learn?

some of the most brilliant people I know are slow thinkers, who take time to

process what they are learning and take even more time to make sure that 
what they are saying is accurate before they speak.

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RE: Applying Patchsets ? Learn This Parameter _SYSTEM_TRIG_ENABL

[Sakthi , Raj]

Hi Ian ,
there is an article on this in metastink 
doc id : 149948.1
HTH
cheers ,
RS 

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dynamic sql problem

[Harvinder Singh]

HI,

I am running a stored procdures which contains following dynamic sql ..i am
getting error:
ORA-00936 missing expression. for the bold statement while rest of
statements r properly executing..
what might be the reason..
and temp_   are variables declared..
and name1,name2,name3 are dynamically generated table names..

str := 'alter table'||' '||name2||' '||'disable constraint'||'
'||temp1_cons;
execute immediate str;
str := 'alter table'||' '||name3||' '||'disable constraint'||' '||temp_cons;
execute immediate str;
str :='update '||' '||name2||' '||' set id_sess=id_sess + '||'
'||temp_id_sess_2;
execute immediate str;
str :='update '||' '||name3||' '||' set id_sess = id_sess +'||'
'||temp_id_sess_3;
execute immediate str;
str :='create table'||' '||enum||' '||'as select * from'||' '||name1||'
'||'union
select * from'||' '||name2||' '||'union select * from'||' '||name3;
execute immediate str;



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RE: ORA-00600 on Production DB - Need advice/Still Searching

[Jeffery Stevenson]

Well, I can't be certain, but I can let you know that the kz part of the
first argument in the ORA-00600 probably refers to the Security Layer (not
sure what the ckini refers to...usually you can take a good guess by
breaking down things in the different layers, but sometimes...).  It may not
help any, but you might try taking a look at external things that might
affect it (since you can't get into the database)...

Did the user or group of any of the database files change?
Did any permissions on any of the files change?
Did the group on the user account using to shutdown Oracle change?
Are you connecting using the appropriate sid (it is case-sensitive in unix)?
Was the database started up using the wrong sid (check the pmon process for
the case-sensitivity of the sid)?

...and the list could go on, but these are where I might start just to at
least get me into a good trouble-shooting frenzy.  Anyways, I hope some of
this can help...

Wow...I haven't posted on this list in a long time...

Jeffery Stevenson
Chief Databeast Tamer
Medical Present Value, Inc.
Austin, TX


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Denny/Kirti,

Thanks for the replies.  The bug finder is kinda cool.  I'd already been
through about one third of the entries it found, but I looked through the
rest.  No real help.  Can't log in to shut down the DB.  Whether I try
svrmgrl or sqlplus, I get asked for a password or told I have insufficient
privileges.  There aren't any additional trace files.  Here's the output of
the ulimit -a command:
qe2n1: /u014/oradata/ifastrn>>/usr/bin/ulimit -a
time(seconds)unlimited
file(blocks) unlimited
data(kbytes) 196608
stack(kbytes)196608
memory(kbytes)   unlimited
coredump(blocks) 4194303
nofiles(descriptors) 2048

kmtune shows me the following:
maxssiz  0X0C00
maxssiz_64bit   0x4000
swapmem_on   0
dbc_max_pct  50

Total physical and swap meory (from top) is:
Memory: 364536K (264244K) real, 423812K (340152K) virtual, 6453348K free



David A. Barbour
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Denny Koovakattu

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Hi David,

  To get the proper output for ulimit, use

  /usr/bin/ulimit -a

or
  sh ulimit -a

Also the following information should help in trying to debug the problem.

1. Total Physical Memory
2. Total Disk Swap Configured
3. The output of kmtune or the kernel parameters maxdsiz, maxdsiz_64bit,
swapmem_on, dbc_max_pct
4. The output of ulimit (Use /usr/bin/ulimit -a )

  Have you tried restarting the database ?

Regards,
Denny

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> Mondays, gotta love em, they make Fridays worth the wait.  I've got Ta
> production database (8.1.7, HP-UX 11.0 - 64 bit) that started throwing an
> ora-600 when users try to log in.  I've created a TAR (3 hours ago), but
> haven't gotten any response.  Here's the error:
>
> ERROR:
> ORA-00600: internal error code, arguments: [kzckini: nzdsi_i], [28750],
[],
> [],
> [], [], [], [
>
> Metalink has a couple of messages stating that this is an OS problem
> related to the ulimit size, availability of virtual memory, and the
ability
> to create a pga.  Suggested remedy is to increase the ulimit.   My SA has
> dismissed this as a cause.  I've knocked all the users off, but still
can't
> log in.  When I run ulimit I get the following:
>  qe2n1: /u001/app/oracle/product/8.1.7/dbs>>ulimit
>  4194303
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> David A. Barbour
> Oracle DBA, OCP
> AISD
> 512-414-1002

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Re: ORA-00600 on Production DB - Need advice

[Ruth Gramolini]

1-800-223-1711

I have what used to be Silver Support  and that works. When I had wht used
to be Bronze Support I didn't have an 800 number.

Good luck!
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an
> > ora-600 when users try to log in.  I've created a TAR (3 hours ago), but
> > haven't gotten any response.  Here's the error:
> >
> > ERROR:
> > ORA-00600: internal error code, arguments: [kzckini: nzdsi_i], [28750],
> [],
> > [],
> > [], [], [], [
> >
> > Metalink has a couple of messages stating that this is an OS problem
> > related to the ulimit size, availability of virtual memory, and the
> ability
> > to create a pga.  Suggested remedy is to increase the ulimit.   My SA
has
> > dismissed this as a cause.  I've knocked all the users off, but still
> can't
> > log in.  When I run ulimit I get the following:
> >  qe2n1: /u001/app/oracle/product/8.1.7/dbs>>ulimit
> >  4194303
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
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RE: ORA-00600 on Production DB - Need advice/Still Searching

[DBarbour]

Good thought though, thanks.  The permissions seem to be fine.

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Longshot:  Checked the permissions on the Oracle executable in
$ORACLE_HOME/bin ?

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Denny/Kirti,

Thanks for the replies.  The bug finder is kinda cool.  I'd already been
through about one third of the entries it found, but I looked through the
rest.  No real help.  Can't log in to shut down the DB.  Whether I try
svrmgrl or sqlplus, I get asked for a password or told I have insufficient
privileges.  There aren't any additional trace files.  Here's the output of
the ulimit -a command:
qe2n1: /u014/oradata/ifastrn>>/usr/bin/ulimit -a
time(seconds)unlimited
file(blocks) unlimited
data(kbytes) 196608
stack(kbytes)196608
memory(kbytes)   unlimited
coredump(blocks) 4194303
nofiles(descriptors) 2048

kmtune shows me the following:
maxssiz  0X0C00
maxssiz_64bit   0x4000
swapmem_on   0
dbc_max_pct  50

Total physical and swap meory (from top) is:
Memory: 364536K (264244K) real, 423812K (340152K) virtual, 6453348K free



David A. Barbour
Oracle DBA, OCP
AISD
512-414-1002




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Hi David,

  To get the proper output for ulimit, use

  /usr/bin/ulimit -a

or
  sh ulimit -a

Also the following information should help in trying to debug the problem.

1. Total Physical Memory
2. Total Disk Swap Configured
3. The output of kmtune or the kernel parameters maxdsiz, maxdsiz_64bit,
swapmem_on, dbc_max_pct
4. The output of ulimit (Use /usr/bin/ulimit -a )

  Have you tried restarting the database ?

Regards,
Denny

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Mondays, gotta love em, they make Fridays worth the wait.  I've got Ta
> production database (8.1.7, HP-UX 11.0 - 64 bit) that started throwing an
> ora-600 when users try to log in.  I've created a TAR (3 hours ago), but
> haven't gotten any response.  Here's the error:
>
> ERROR:
> ORA-00600: internal error code, arguments: [kzckini: nzdsi_i], [28750],
[],
> [],
> [], [], [], [
>
> Metalink has a couple of messages stating that this is an OS problem
> related to the ulimit size, availability of virtual memory, and the
ability
> to create a pga.  Suggested remedy is to increase the ulimit.   My SA has
> dismissed this as a cause.  I've knocked all the users off, but still
can't
> log in.  When I run ulimit I get the following:
>  qe2n1: /u001/app/oracle/product/8.1.7/dbs>>ulimit
>  4194303
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> David A. Barbour
> Oracle DBA, OCP
> AISD
> 512-414-1002

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RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Anderson, Brian]

In South Georgia, the standard practice is to carry a disposable cup.

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> -Original Message- 
> From: MacGregor, Ian A. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
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> There are about 1200 permanent employees here.  You can't 
> spit without hitting  someone with a physics doctorate 
Try aiming downwards at a spittoon or a trash can instead of sending
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RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Christopher Spence]

You don't know how many times I have tried to play keyboard and guitar.  I
just never am able to do it.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

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I can learn physics and other sciences without much problem, but I cannot
draw a straight line and am artistically challenged.  I know artistic people
with an IQ in my range that are great at art or music but have problems with
science.  We are all different and have different abilities and likes.  Just
hopefully most people choose to go in their strong areas and likes.  I would
love to play some Bach or Jerry Lee Lewis on a piano but have not the
skills.  I can learn the notes but cannot make music.  The only thing I can
play is the stereo, and I play it well!!  :)

Dave

-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:24 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


depends on what you are learning. My IQ is not low, yet I CANNOT for the 
life of me learn physics or data communications.

IQ may be part of it. INTEREST in the subject is part too.

and IQ is not ability to learn, but capacity to learn.


>From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:39:27 -0800
>
>IQ from what I understand is COMPLETELY related to how fast you learn.
>
>IQ is your ability to learn, nothing to do with how "Smart" you are.
>
>Smart is how much you know, nothing to do with how you learn.
>
>"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that 
>way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their 
>shoes."
>
>Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
>Oracle DBA
>Phone: (978) 322-5744
>Fax:(707) 885-2275
>
>Fuelspot
>73 Princeton Street
>North, Chelmsford 01863
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:06 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>since when did IQ have any relation to how fast you learn?
>
>some of the most brilliant people I know are slow thinkers, who take 
>time
>to
>
>process what they are learning and take even more time to make sure 
>that what they are saying is accurate before they speak.
>
>
> >From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
> >Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:56:32 -0800
> >
> >I would be curious of HOW WELL he knows those things.
> >Anyone can learn most of everything out there, but to be able to do 
> >it and do it well is another thing.
> >
> >Also when you go so many directions like that, you never work on the 
> >same thing for long, which means you need to be able to jump back 
> >into something else VERY quickly or there is no sense learning it in 
> >the first place.
> >
> >There is one thing as being good at many things, but when the sh%t 
> >really hits the fan, you call someone that knows what their doing, 
> >not the jack of all trades.
> >
> >I being 26, I found myself becoming a jack of all trades, and I think 
> >I still am.  I did not like that, so I picked up Oracle about 3.5 
> >years ago and decided I am going to take one thing, and be damn good 
> >at it. I was a good system admin and adapted very well.  But I did 
> >not get the luxery of REALLY knowing everything about what I was 
> >using.  Although I generally can figure things out extremely quick 
> >where it appears I know it.  "I!" was not comfortable with my 
> >accomplishments, I wanted to know more and more.  I could not do that 
> >doing what I was doing, broad generalization was not how I wanted to 
> >be.
> >
> >With an iq of 147, I think I can be considered a very quick learner.  
> >I know for a fact that 4 years ago when I was 22, I could not do all 
> >of what was claimed in previous email by Mark (Oracle DBA, Sybase 
> >Admin, SQL Server DBA,
> >JAVA, HTML) and consider myself great at it.  Although you can be very
> >comfortable with them, comfort can be obtained in very short time frames.
> >True talent to play as an allstar takes years, no matter how smart you 
>are
> >and what ya doing.
> >
> >I once met a street sweeper who was going on to 50 years old, I asked 
> >him why did he not try to find a better job. His answer was "Because 
> >I am the best street sweeper there ever was." After
> >saying that, I had a new found respect for him and was detirmined to seek
> >the same motivation in my life.
> >
> >"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in t

RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Kevin Kostyszyn]

I like the first one, that's good:)
KK

-Original Message-
Bradly A
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 3:33 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L




Well, Kevin:

 That depends on where a person ranked on Theodore Kaczynski's special list,
or whether Van Gogh was drunk before he cut, or how long Virginia Woolfe
could tread water.


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Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 1:34 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Doesn't hurt to have a high IQ though:)

-Original Message-
Carmichael
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:06 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


since when did IQ have any relation to how fast you learn?

some of the most brilliant people I know are slow thinkers, who take time to
process what they are learning and take even more time to make sure that
what they are saying is accurate before they speak.


>From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:56:32 -0800
>
>I would be curious of HOW WELL he knows those things.
>Anyone can learn most of everything out there, but to be able to do it and
>do it well is another thing.
>
>Also when you go so many directions like that, you never work on the same
>thing for long, which means you need to be able to jump back into something
>else VERY quickly or there is no sense learning it in the first place.
>
>There is one thing as being good at many things, but when the sh%t really
>hits the fan, you call someone that knows what their doing, not the jack of
>all trades.
>
>I being 26, I found myself becoming a jack of all trades, and I think I
>still am.  I did not like that, so I picked up Oracle about 3.5 years ago
>and decided I am going to take one thing, and be damn good at it.  I was a
>good system admin and adapted very well.  But I did not get the luxery of
>REALLY knowing everything about what I was using.  Although I generally can
>figure things out extremely quick where it appears I know it.  "I!" was not
>comfortable with my accomplishments, I wanted to know more and more.  I
>could not do that doing what I was doing, broad generalization was not how
>I
>wanted to be.
>
>With an iq of 147, I think I can be considered a very quick learner.  I
>know
>for a fact that 4 years ago when I was 22, I could not do all of what was
>claimed in previous email by Mark (Oracle DBA, Sybase Admin, SQL Server
>DBA,
>JAVA, HTML) and consider myself great at it.  Although you can be very
>comfortable with them, comfort can be obtained in very short time frames.
>True talent to play as an allstar takes years, no matter how smart you are
>and what ya doing.
>
>I once met a street sweeper who was going on to 50 years old, I asked him
>why did he not try to find a better job.
>His answer was "Because I am the best street sweeper there ever was."
>After
>saying that, I had a new found respect for him and was detirmined to seek
>the same motivation in my life.
>
>"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
>when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."
>
>Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
>Oracle DBA
>Phone: (978) 322-5744
>Fax:(707) 885-2275
>
>Fuelspot
>73 Princeton Street
>North, Chelmsford 01863
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:17 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>But Kevin, having all under his belt doesn't mean he's ever used it.  Maybe
>we're not slackers afterall.
>
>Ruth
>- Original Message -
>To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 10:15 AM
>
>
> > WOW, now I feel like slacker:)
> > KK
> > - Original Message -
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:51 AM
> >
> >
> > > Cheers Lee!
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity how old did you think I was? I was actually turned
> > > down
> > for
> > > cigarettes a few months back!! I couldn't believe it!! I'm 22 BTW
> > > (only
>6
> > > years above the legal limit!).
> > >
> > > Already got Oracle Admin, SQLServer admin, HTML & JAVA programming
> > > under
> > my
> > > belt - with a little Sybase ASE around the edges and currently
> > > moving in
> > to
> > > the DB2 world!! Not bad for 4 years of intensive reading a playing..
> > >
> > > My next step is to sink my teeth in to UNIX..
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > Lee - lerobe
> > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:01
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > After having firstly talking to Mark at length on the phone while
> > evaluating
> > > some of his products, I was extremely surprised to see exactly how
> > > young
> > he
> > > actually was (or at least looked !!)when I met him at the Oracle 9i
>launch
> > > at Oracle UK. As for me, a late starter in 19

RE: completely off-topic question...

[Miller, Jay]

Well, okay.  But gee, he didn't invent his own language or anything...



Jay

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Jay,

That's okay -- I'll get my mom to talk to your aunt to have her talk to your

mom... they'll make you talk to me :)

Besides, I agree with you about Asimov -- that should count for something

Rachel


>From: "Miller, Jay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: completely off-topic question...
>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:50:39 -0800
>
>Just for the record, LeGuin's novel is entitled "The Dispossessed".  But I
>agree that it's a great book.
>
>Just reread Asimov's "The Gods Themselves" two weeks ago.  My favorite of
>his books, I stopped reading them when he started combining them into one
>mish mash of a future history.
>
>Whoever said Zelazny was one of their favorites, full agreement here.  Lord
>of Light is probably my all time favorite sf work.
>
>Another current author worth checking out is Lois McMaster Bujold.  She
>rights very fast moving, *very* readable sf novels (the whole Vorkosigan
>series, I'd recommend reading them in order) and has one excellent fantasy:
>The Spirit Ring.
>
>For current fantasy, I really like Stephen Brust, though he can be uneven.
>Still, if you're a fan of the The Three Musketeers then his book The 
>Phoenix
>Guards is absolutely hilarious.
>
>And Rachel:  I'm afraid I can't speak to you any more now that I know you
>don't like Tolkien :).
>
>Jay Miller
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 6:17 PM
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>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rachel Carmichael [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ]
> >
> > I prefer Science Fantasy to Science Fiction (Marion Zimmer
> > Bradley, Anne
> > McCaffrey)
>
>
>I'm the same way. I don't keep up with all the new authors, but someone
>needs to mention Larry Niven (his "known space" series is the one that
>taught me the acronym "tanstaafl") and Ursula K. LeGuin ("The Unpossessed"
>is one of my favourite books of all time; unfortunately she wasn't very
>prolific).
>
>And of course an obeisance to Isaac Asimov. I can honestly say I think I've
>read all his science-fiction novels and short stories. H. G. Wells and 
>Jules
>Verne should not be forgotten either.
>
>Amongst the more recent authors I've encountered, I always recommend C. J.
>Cherryh (try "Downbelow Station" and "Cyteen") and Kim Stanley Robinson
>("Red Mars", "Green Mars", "Blue Mars" - an excellent description of what
>problems a new society might run into on Mars)
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Re: OT -- the volume of job postings is way down

[Ruth Gramolini]

When I reply they show up in my font, 12 pitch, but when I open them they
are about 6 pitch.   Maybe if you use the second option it will be ok.
Ruth
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i dont on purpose its this stupid groupwise software.

but then again i set my email client to either:

1.  use unix client which can ignore all of the stupid fonts.
2.  use netscape and override all fonts to the size i want.

joe



>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/06/01 03:23PM >>>
Why do some of you insist on sending messages in tiny print.  I have a
headache without trying to read it, so I hit the delete key before I even
find out that it's something I want to know or know about and could answer.

Old age is a bitch...
Ruth
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ok so who downloaded the war dialer after that movie and "surfed" for modems
:)

i did in NY

joe



>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/03/01 03:00PM >>>
I agree with this. We need some more retro geekiness. We should try to be
more like that programmer in the movie War Games that had to be told when he
was being rude and insensitive.

Mike


>From: "Kevin Kostyszyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:26:32 -0800
>
>You know the other problem is that "geek" tools are becoming more and more
>cool!!  Palm Pilots and cell phones and such, everyone wants to play with
>these things.  I agree, full on geekness is the only solution!
>KK
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:52 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>The weight in ounces of the Sunday San Jose Mercury News Classifieds is a
>valid measure of economic activity. At one point it was around 24 pages for
>IT jobs but it recently has been down to 1-2 pages.
>
>A few years ago, despite the positive outlook for careers in computer
>science, students majoring in computer science was down because of the geek
>stigma. The result was a shortage in IT workers. Then came the Internet
>bubble and students began jumping onto the computer science bandwagon.
>So...
>to ensure demand for our services we should discourage student enrollment
>in
>the computer sciences by playing up the geek, propeller-head thing. :-)
>
>Got pocket protector?
>Steve Orr
>
>
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>
>Another sign of the times is that ITI is closing its US schools.
>  For those who don't know - it is a computer training school. They started
>years
>ago as a school in Atlantic Canada offering a 10 month course. Later they
>expanded to few Canadian and US cities. Last year they advertised on TV and
>radio about 400,000 unfilled positions in e-commerce etc. and
>offered-commerce
>training. Yesterday I have heard that they are scaling back...
>
>Witold
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RE: ORA-00600 on Production DB - Need advice/Still Searching

[Jerry Hess]

Longshot:  Checked the permissions on the Oracle executable in
$ORACLE_HOME/bin ?

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Denny/Kirti,

Thanks for the replies.  The bug finder is kinda cool.  I'd already been
through about one third of the entries it found, but I looked through the
rest.  No real help.  Can't log in to shut down the DB.  Whether I try
svrmgrl or sqlplus, I get asked for a password or told I have insufficient
privileges.  There aren't any additional trace files.  Here's the output of
the ulimit -a command:
qe2n1: /u014/oradata/ifastrn>>/usr/bin/ulimit -a
time(seconds)unlimited
file(blocks) unlimited
data(kbytes) 196608
stack(kbytes)196608
memory(kbytes)   unlimited
coredump(blocks) 4194303
nofiles(descriptors) 2048

kmtune shows me the following:
maxssiz  0X0C00
maxssiz_64bit   0x4000
swapmem_on   0
dbc_max_pct  50

Total physical and swap meory (from top) is:
Memory: 364536K (264244K) real, 423812K (340152K) virtual, 6453348K free



David A. Barbour
Oracle DBA, OCP
AISD
512-414-1002


 

Denny Koovakattu

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Hi David,

  To get the proper output for ulimit, use

  /usr/bin/ulimit -a

or
  sh ulimit -a

Also the following information should help in trying to debug the problem.

1. Total Physical Memory
2. Total Disk Swap Configured
3. The output of kmtune or the kernel parameters maxdsiz, maxdsiz_64bit,
swapmem_on, dbc_max_pct
4. The output of ulimit (Use /usr/bin/ulimit -a )

  Have you tried restarting the database ?

Regards,
Denny

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> Mondays, gotta love em, they make Fridays worth the wait.  I've got Ta
> production database (8.1.7, HP-UX 11.0 - 64 bit) that started throwing an
> ora-600 when users try to log in.  I've created a TAR (3 hours ago), but
> haven't gotten any response.  Here's the error:
>
> ERROR:
> ORA-00600: internal error code, arguments: [kzckini: nzdsi_i], [28750],
[],
> [],
> [], [], [], [
>
> Metalink has a couple of messages stating that this is an OS problem
> related to the ulimit size, availability of virtual memory, and the
ability
> to create a pga.  Suggested remedy is to increase the ulimit.   My SA has
> dismissed this as a cause.  I've knocked all the users off, but still
can't
> log in.  When I run ulimit I get the following:
>  qe2n1: /u001/app/oracle/product/8.1.7/dbs>>ulimit
>  4194303
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> David A. Barbour
> Oracle DBA, OCP
> AISD
> 512-414-1002

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RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Christopher Spence]

Yes, people are "born" with IQ, not smarts.

I also believe you can alter your IQ slightly.

>From what I understand (which may be wrong) is IQ is simply how many gallon
tank you were blessed with.
It does not measure how much you filled this tank.
 
"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
Oracle DBA
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Fax:(707) 885-2275

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I decided to delete most of the messages to make this list shorter.

Was any one born with  "Smart/Einstein" ability without learning?



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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


IQ from what I understand is COMPLETELY related to how fast you learn.

IQ is your ability to learn, nothing to do with how "Smart" you are.

Smart is how much you know, nothing to do with how you learn.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
Oracle DBA
Phone: (978) 322-5744
Fax:(707) 885-2275

Fuelspot
73 Princeton Street
North, Chelmsford 01863
 



-Original Message-
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


since when did IQ have any relation to how fast you learn?

some of the most brilliant people I know are slow thinkers, who take time to

process what they are learning and take even more time to make sure that 
what they are saying is accurate before they speak.

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RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Farnsworth, Dave]

I can learn physics and other sciences without much problem, but I cannot
draw a straight line and am artistically challenged.  I know artistic people
with an IQ in my range that are great at art or music but have problems with
science.  We are all different and have different abilities and likes.  Just
hopefully most people choose to go in their strong areas and likes.  I would
love to play some Bach or Jerry Lee Lewis on a piano but have not the
skills.  I can learn the notes but cannot make music.  The only thing I can
play is the stereo, and I play it well!!  :)

Dave

-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:24 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


depends on what you are learning. My IQ is not low, yet I CANNOT for the 
life of me learn physics or data communications.

IQ may be part of it. INTEREST in the subject is part too.

and IQ is not ability to learn, but capacity to learn.


>From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:39:27 -0800
>
>IQ from what I understand is COMPLETELY related to how fast you learn.
>
>IQ is your ability to learn, nothing to do with how "Smart" you are.
>
>Smart is how much you know, nothing to do with how you learn.
>
>"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
>when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."
>
>Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
>Oracle DBA
>Phone: (978) 322-5744
>Fax:(707) 885-2275
>
>Fuelspot
>73 Princeton Street
>North, Chelmsford 01863
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:06 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>since when did IQ have any relation to how fast you learn?
>
>some of the most brilliant people I know are slow thinkers, who take time 
>to
>
>process what they are learning and take even more time to make sure that
>what they are saying is accurate before they speak.
>
>
> >From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
> >Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:56:32 -0800
> >
> >I would be curious of HOW WELL he knows those things.
> >Anyone can learn most of everything out there, but to be able to do it
> >and do it well is another thing.
> >
> >Also when you go so many directions like that, you never work on the
> >same thing for long, which means you need to be able to jump back into
> >something else VERY quickly or there is no sense learning it in the
> >first place.
> >
> >There is one thing as being good at many things, but when the sh%t
> >really hits the fan, you call someone that knows what their doing, not
> >the jack of all trades.
> >
> >I being 26, I found myself becoming a jack of all trades, and I think I
> >still am.  I did not like that, so I picked up Oracle about 3.5 years
> >ago and decided I am going to take one thing, and be damn good at it.
> >I was a good system admin and adapted very well.  But I did not get the
> >luxery of REALLY knowing everything about what I was using.  Although I
> >generally can figure things out extremely quick where it appears I know
> >it.  "I!" was not comfortable with my accomplishments, I wanted to know
> >more and more.  I could not do that doing what I was doing, broad
> >generalization was not how I wanted to be.
> >
> >With an iq of 147, I think I can be considered a very quick learner.  I
> >know
> >for a fact that 4 years ago when I was 22, I could not do all of what was
> >claimed in previous email by Mark (Oracle DBA, Sybase Admin, SQL Server
> >DBA,
> >JAVA, HTML) and consider myself great at it.  Although you can be very
> >comfortable with them, comfort can be obtained in very short time frames.
> >True talent to play as an allstar takes years, no matter how smart you 
>are
> >and what ya doing.
> >
> >I once met a street sweeper who was going on to 50 years old, I asked
> >him why did he not try to find a better job. His answer was "Because I
> >am the best street sweeper there ever was."
> >After
> >saying that, I had a new found respect for him and was detirmined to seek
> >the same motivation in my life.
> >
> >"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that
> >way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their
> >shoes."
> >
> >Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
> >Oracle DBA
> >Phone: (978) 322-5744
> >Fax:(707) 885-2275
> >
> >Fuelspot
> >73 Princeton Street
> >North, Chelmsford 01863
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:17 AM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >But Kevin, having all under his belt doesn't mean he's ever used it.
> >Maybe we're not slackers afterall.
> >
> >Ruth

RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Christopher Spence]

I disagree.  But I am speaking in a purely technical term of learning, not
factoring other things such as interest.

That is like saying an engine is not a power plant of a vehicle because
there is a brick wall stoping it from driving away.

I am sure if you were interested you could learn physics and communication.
Surely you may not be interested in it, but you have the ability to do so if
you so chose.  Your ability to have that ability is what I deam as IQ.

Some people may try and try and never learn physics no matter how much they
want to.  This is where I 'believe' IQ has taken it's toll.

But I think we are saying the similar, I agree IQ is the capacity, but it is
also what detirmines how you grasp things and how quickly you can solve
problems.  Learning in my opinion is the same as solving problems.  Which is
what IQ is all about.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
Oracle DBA
Phone: (978) 322-5744
Fax:(707) 885-2275

Fuelspot
73 Princeton Street
North, Chelmsford 01863
 



-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 3:24 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


depends on what you are learning. My IQ is not low, yet I CANNOT for the 
life of me learn physics or data communications.

IQ may be part of it. INTEREST in the subject is part too.

and IQ is not ability to learn, but capacity to learn.


>From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:39:27 -0800
>
>IQ from what I understand is COMPLETELY related to how fast you learn.
>
>IQ is your ability to learn, nothing to do with how "Smart" you are.
>
>Smart is how much you know, nothing to do with how you learn.
>
>"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that 
>way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their 
>shoes."
>
>Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
>Oracle DBA
>Phone: (978) 322-5744
>Fax:(707) 885-2275
>
>Fuelspot
>73 Princeton Street
>North, Chelmsford 01863
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:06 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>since when did IQ have any relation to how fast you learn?
>
>some of the most brilliant people I know are slow thinkers, who take 
>time
>to
>
>process what they are learning and take even more time to make sure 
>that what they are saying is accurate before they speak.
>
>
> >From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
> >Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:56:32 -0800
> >
> >I would be curious of HOW WELL he knows those things.
> >Anyone can learn most of everything out there, but to be able to do 
> >it and do it well is another thing.
> >
> >Also when you go so many directions like that, you never work on the 
> >same thing for long, which means you need to be able to jump back 
> >into something else VERY quickly or there is no sense learning it in 
> >the first place.
> >
> >There is one thing as being good at many things, but when the sh%t 
> >really hits the fan, you call someone that knows what their doing, 
> >not the jack of all trades.
> >
> >I being 26, I found myself becoming a jack of all trades, and I think 
> >I still am.  I did not like that, so I picked up Oracle about 3.5 
> >years ago and decided I am going to take one thing, and be damn good 
> >at it. I was a good system admin and adapted very well.  But I did 
> >not get the luxery of REALLY knowing everything about what I was 
> >using.  Although I generally can figure things out extremely quick 
> >where it appears I know it.  "I!" was not comfortable with my 
> >accomplishments, I wanted to know more and more.  I could not do that 
> >doing what I was doing, broad generalization was not how I wanted to 
> >be.
> >
> >With an iq of 147, I think I can be considered a very quick learner.  
> >I know for a fact that 4 years ago when I was 22, I could not do all 
> >of what was claimed in previous email by Mark (Oracle DBA, Sybase 
> >Admin, SQL Server DBA,
> >JAVA, HTML) and consider myself great at it.  Although you can be very
> >comfortable with them, comfort can be obtained in very short time frames.
> >True talent to play as an allstar takes years, no matter how smart you 
>are
> >and what ya doing.
> >
> >I once met a street sweeper who was going on to 50 years old, I asked 
> >him why did he not try to find a better job. His answer was "Because 
> >I am the best street sweeper there ever was." After
> >saying that, I had a new found respect for him and was detirmined to seek
> >the same motivation in my life.
>

RE: completely off-topic question...

[Steiner, Randy]

I thought there were no short actors, only short parts

> -Original Message-
> From: Kevin Kostyszyn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:39 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: completely off-topic question...
> 
> 
> They're just using short actors.
> 
> -Original Message-
> Randy
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 1:26 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> How are they handling the fact that Hobbits and dwarfs are 
> only 3-4 feet
> tall?  Are the using children with lots of makeup?  
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Farnsworth, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 12:57 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: RE: completely off-topic question...
> > 
> > 
> > I cannot remember the last time that I was excited about a 
> movie being
> > released.  It looks like they are doing one a year with the 
> > first being
> > released later this year.  I checked out the web site and 
> checked the
> > actors.  From my memories of the books it appears that they 
> > did a good job
> > of casting(at least as far as looks go).  They looked pretty 
> > much the way my
> > imagination made them.
> > 
> > Dave
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:32 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > 
> > 
> > Good grief Dave, there are to be three of them, thefirst 
> > being the one Kevin
> > already mentioned. Real actors but I guess, a great deal of computer
> > animation as well. I cannot wait myself.
> > 
> > Check out http://www.lordoftherings.net/
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > Lee
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > Sent: 06 August 2001 16:46
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > 
> > 
> > They are making a movie on Lord of The Rings?  Is it going to 
> > be an animated
> > one?  I did not care for the other animated movie.  Another 
> > good read is by
> > Steven R Donaldson called "The Chronicals of Thomas 
> > Covenant".  I have read
> > these two series numerous times.
> > 
> > Dave
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:12 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > 
> > 
> > Wow, how could you not like the Lord of the Rings!!!  I can't 
> > wait till this
> > December when they release the first movie...:)
> > KK
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 6:50 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > 
> > 
> > On Saturday 04 August 2001 16:25, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> > >
> > >  heretic here>
> > >
> > > I am NOT a fan of Tolkein. I have read the Lord of the 
> > Rings trilogy and
> > > The Hobbit, seen the Bakshi version of the trilogy and the 
> > cartoon version
> > > of The Hobbit. Sorry, he just doesn't do it for me
> > >
> > > 
> > 
> > Oh my,  it's a good thing this is via email.
> > 
> > Just wait till the next IOUG and I'll slip my ring on...
> > 
> > Jared
> > 
> > >
> > > Rachel
> > >
> > > From: "Thater, William" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: Re: completely off-topic question...
> > > >Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 10:46:04 -0800
> > > >
> > > >Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> > > > > oh, my library is relatively small -- when you add in 
> > all technical,
> > > > > fiction, science fiction, mystery, craft books, throw 
> > in the knitting
> > > > > magazines I still only have about 7 bookcases.
> > > >
> > > >only 7?;-)  sadly my collection was ... um... dispatched by a
> > > >vindictive first wife so i have nothing left.:-(
> > > >
> > > >i miss many of them including "stranger in a strange land" 
> > and a boxed
> > > >set of hobbit and lord of the rings.  *sigh*
> > > >
> > > >i guess if i had the time i should start hunting in the 
> > second hand book
> > > >shops.
> > > >
> > > >maybe later today if i get out of work in time.
> > > >
> > > >having "fun" playing with 9iAS and portal.;-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >Bill "Shrek" Thater  ORACLE DBA
> > > >Telergy,Inc.   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > 
> > >-
> > ---
> > > >It's got to come from the heart if you want it to work!
> > > 
> > >-
> > ---
> > > >The Soviet Union does not exist any more in its present format.
> > > >
> > > >--
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Re: ORA-00600 on Production DB - Need advice

[DBarbour]

Got a phone number?

David A. Barbour
Oracle DBA, OCP
AISD
512-414-1002


   
   
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Try calling on your tar. That is what they have told me to do.  Just
waiting
doesn't help!

Ruth
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Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 1:58 PM


>
> Mondays, gotta love em, they make Fridays worth the wait.  I've got a
> production database (8.1.7, HP-UX 11.0 - 64 bit) that started throwing an
> ora-600 when users try to log in.  I've created a TAR (3 hours ago), but
> haven't gotten any response.  Here's the error:
>
> ERROR:
> ORA-00600: internal error code, arguments: [kzckini: nzdsi_i], [28750],
[],
> [],
> [], [], [], [
>
> Metalink has a couple of messages stating that this is an OS problem
> related to the ulimit size, availability of virtual memory, and the
ability
> to create a pga.  Suggested remedy is to increase the ulimit.   My SA has
> dismissed this as a cause.  I've knocked all the users off, but still
can't
> log in.  When I run ulimit I get the following:
>  qe2n1: /u001/app/oracle/product/8.1.7/dbs>>ulimit
>  4194303
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> David A. Barbour
> Oracle DBA, OCP
> AISD
> 512-414-1002
>
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RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Norwood Bradly A]

Well, Kevin:
  
 That depends on where a person ranked on Theodore Kaczynski's special list,
or whether Van Gogh was drunk before he cut, or how long Virginia Woolfe
could tread water. 


-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 1:34 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Doesn't hurt to have a high IQ though:)

-Original Message-
Carmichael
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:06 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


since when did IQ have any relation to how fast you learn?

some of the most brilliant people I know are slow thinkers, who take time to
process what they are learning and take even more time to make sure that
what they are saying is accurate before they speak.


>From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:56:32 -0800
>
>I would be curious of HOW WELL he knows those things.
>Anyone can learn most of everything out there, but to be able to do it and
>do it well is another thing.
>
>Also when you go so many directions like that, you never work on the same
>thing for long, which means you need to be able to jump back into something
>else VERY quickly or there is no sense learning it in the first place.
>
>There is one thing as being good at many things, but when the sh%t really
>hits the fan, you call someone that knows what their doing, not the jack of
>all trades.
>
>I being 26, I found myself becoming a jack of all trades, and I think I
>still am.  I did not like that, so I picked up Oracle about 3.5 years ago
>and decided I am going to take one thing, and be damn good at it.  I was a
>good system admin and adapted very well.  But I did not get the luxery of
>REALLY knowing everything about what I was using.  Although I generally can
>figure things out extremely quick where it appears I know it.  "I!" was not
>comfortable with my accomplishments, I wanted to know more and more.  I
>could not do that doing what I was doing, broad generalization was not how
>I
>wanted to be.
>
>With an iq of 147, I think I can be considered a very quick learner.  I
>know
>for a fact that 4 years ago when I was 22, I could not do all of what was
>claimed in previous email by Mark (Oracle DBA, Sybase Admin, SQL Server
>DBA,
>JAVA, HTML) and consider myself great at it.  Although you can be very
>comfortable with them, comfort can be obtained in very short time frames.
>True talent to play as an allstar takes years, no matter how smart you are
>and what ya doing.
>
>I once met a street sweeper who was going on to 50 years old, I asked him
>why did he not try to find a better job.
>His answer was "Because I am the best street sweeper there ever was."
>After
>saying that, I had a new found respect for him and was detirmined to seek
>the same motivation in my life.
>
>"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
>when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."
>
>Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
>Oracle DBA
>Phone: (978) 322-5744
>Fax:(707) 885-2275
>
>Fuelspot
>73 Princeton Street
>North, Chelmsford 01863
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:17 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>But Kevin, having all under his belt doesn't mean he's ever used it.  Maybe
>we're not slackers afterall.
>
>Ruth
>- Original Message -
>To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 10:15 AM
>
>
> > WOW, now I feel like slacker:)
> > KK
> > - Original Message -
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:51 AM
> >
> >
> > > Cheers Lee!
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity how old did you think I was? I was actually turned
> > > down
> > for
> > > cigarettes a few months back!! I couldn't believe it!! I'm 22 BTW
> > > (only
>6
> > > years above the legal limit!).
> > >
> > > Already got Oracle Admin, SQLServer admin, HTML & JAVA programming
> > > under
> > my
> > > belt - with a little Sybase ASE around the edges and currently
> > > moving in
> > to
> > > the DB2 world!! Not bad for 4 years of intensive reading a playing..
> > >
> > > My next step is to sink my teeth in to UNIX..
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > Lee - lerobe
> > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:01
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > After having firstly talking to Mark at length on the phone while
> > evaluating
> > > some of his products, I was extremely surprised to see exactly how
> > > young
> > he
> > > actually was (or at least looked !!)when I met him at the Oracle 9i
>launch
> > > at Oracle UK. As for me, a late starter in 1990 on Cobol after
> > > dropping
> > out
> > > of studying law in 81, to join a band (dad wouldn't speak to me for
> > > a
> > couple
> > > of months but 

RE: OT -- the volume of job postings is way down

[Mercadante, Thomas F]

Ruth,

my wife insists on buying the $1 1x or 2x glasses at the dollar store for
"over 40 eyesite".
She swears by'em - they work, and are much cheaper than an eye-doctor (she
used to work at an Opthomologists office - he suggested it to save a buck!)

give-em a try!  :)

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional


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Why do some of you insist on sending messages in tiny print.  I have a
headache without trying to read it, so I hit the delete key before I even
find out that it's something I want to know or know about and could answer.

Old age is a bitch...
Ruth
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ok so who downloaded the war dialer after that movie and "surfed" for modems
:)

i did in NY

joe



>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/03/01 03:00PM >>>
I agree with this. We need some more retro geekiness. We should try to be
more like that programmer in the movie War Games that had to be told when he
was being rude and insensitive.

Mike


>From: "Kevin Kostyszyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:26:32 -0800
>
>You know the other problem is that "geek" tools are becoming more and more
>cool!!  Palm Pilots and cell phones and such, everyone wants to play with
>these things.  I agree, full on geekness is the only solution!
>KK
>
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>
>The weight in ounces of the Sunday San Jose Mercury News Classifieds is a
>valid measure of economic activity. At one point it was around 24 pages for
>IT jobs but it recently has been down to 1-2 pages.
>
>A few years ago, despite the positive outlook for careers in computer
>science, students majoring in computer science was down because of the geek
>stigma. The result was a shortage in IT workers. Then came the Internet
>bubble and students began jumping onto the computer science bandwagon.
>So...
>to ensure demand for our services we should discourage student enrollment
>in
>the computer sciences by playing up the geek, propeller-head thing. :-)
>
>Got pocket protector?
>Steve Orr
>
>
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>Another sign of the times is that ITI is closing its US schools.
>  For those who don't know - it is a computer training school. They started
>years
>ago as a school in Atlantic Canada offering a 10 month course. Later they
>expanded to few Canadian and US cities. Last year they advertised on TV and
>radio about 400,000 unfilled positions in e-commerce etc. and
>offered-commerce
>training. Yesterday I have heard that they are scaling back...
>
>Witold
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RE: ORA-00600 on Production DB - Need advice

[DBarbour]

Hey, who's to say.  How did you disable the cache?

David A. Barbour
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This may not be related to your problem.  My shop had problem with 8.1.7,
HP-UX 11.0  - 32 bit.  We encountered memory leak bug.  Oracle knew about
it
and had not had a patch yet, I think.  So we disable the db handle caching.



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Mondays, gotta love em, they make Fridays worth the wait.  I've got a
production database (8.1.7, HP-UX 11.0 - 64 bit) that started throwing an
ora-600 when users try to log in.  I've created a TAR (3 hours ago), but
haven't gotten any response.  Here's the error:

ERROR:
ORA-00600: internal error code, arguments: [kzckini: nzdsi_i], [28750], [],
[],
[], [], [], [

Metalink has a couple of messages stating that this is an OS problem
related to the ulimit size, availability of virtual memory, and the ability
to create a pga.  Suggested remedy is to increase the ulimit.   My SA has
dismissed this as a cause.  I've knocked all the users off, but still can't
log in.  When I run ulimit I get the following:
 qe2n1: /u001/app/oracle/product/8.1.7/dbs>>ulimit
 4194303

Any suggestions?

David A. Barbour
Oracle DBA, OCP
AISD
512-414-1002

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RE: Applying Patchsets ? Learn This Parameter _SYSTEM_TRIG_ENABL

[Srini . Chavali]

I was going thru the 8.1.7 install manual and this is documented in it.
FYI
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Much thanks for sharing this with us.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

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Last Thursday I attempted to take apply the 8.1.6.3 patchset on top of a
small 8.1.6.0 database.  I had done this many times before; the four hours
I
alloted to backing up the system and applying the patch  were an hour more
than I needed.  The patch installed without incident, but when I ran
catalog.sql it hung.  I checked v$session_wait, but for some reason didn't
check the alert log which would have told me what was wrong.

Time was running out.  I called Oracle told them my problem.  Explained
that
this was a downed production database, but the call screener made it
priority 2.  I called the analyst and kept on getting a message saying he
was either on the phone or simply gone.  I did not know the screener had
made it a priority 2 problem, and thought, "Perhaps he was on the phone
discussing the problem."  My  phone began to ring off the hook with people
asking, "Where's the database?"

I had backed up all the software as well as the database files.  I began
the
restore saying to replace all the files.  However when the restore go to an
uneeded file, one of the .aud files in  rdbms/audit, it hung.  I needed to
resintall the software from CD.  The database base was recovered without
incident.  A few hours after it had been promised but unpatched.

What was the problem?  I use triggers on such system events as servererror
to send pages and record informatiuon in a log table.  These triggers can
interfere with the running of scripts such as catalog.ora.  The solution is
to set the initilization parameter  _SYSTEM_TRIG_ENABLED to false during an
upgrade.


My fun for the week was not over.  This weekend we moved a large number of
servers to a new UPS including all the Oracle servers.  When I attempted to
bring up the main database, a "cannot stat file  " message  was
received.  I called the sysadmin who had brought up the system.  He said
the
file system was gone.  I explained that it was there when  the system was
shutdown the night before.  He asked for details  so that he could recreate
it.  Luckily a more senior sysadmin looked at the problem and found that
the
raid configuration had a mismatch on which controller  was assigned to the
file system, straigtened that out, and the database came up without
incident.


Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
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Re: OT -- the volume of job postings is way down

[JOE TESTA]

i dont on purpose its this stupid groupwise 
software.
 
but then again i set my email client to either:
 
1.  use unix client which can ignore all of the stupid 
fonts.
2.  use netscape and override all fonts to the size i 
want.
 
joe
 
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/06/01 03:23PM 
>>>Why do some of you insist on sending messages in tiny 
print.  I have aheadache without trying to read it, so I hit the delete 
key before I evenfind out that it's something I want to know or know about 
and could answer.Old age is a bitch...Ruth- Original Message 
-To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 3:32 
PMok so who downloaded the war dialer after that movie and "surfed" 
for modems:)i did in NYjoe>>> 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/03/01 03:00PM >>>I agree with this. We 
need some more retro geekiness. We should try to bemore like that programmer 
in the movie War Games that had to be told when hewas being rude and 
insensitive.Mike>From: "Kevin Kostyszyn" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: 
Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Subject: RE: OT -- the volume of job 
postings is way down>Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:26:32 
-0800>>You know the other problem is that "geek" tools are 
becoming more and more>cool!!  Palm Pilots and cell phones and such, 
everyone wants to play with>these things.  I agree, full on geekness 
is the only solution!>KK>>-Original 
Message->Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:52 PM>To: 
Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L>>>The weight in ounces 
of the Sunday San Jose Mercury News Classifieds is a>valid measure of 
economic activity. At one point it was around 24 pages for>IT jobs but it 
recently has been down to 1-2 pages.>>A few years ago, despite the 
positive outlook for careers in computer>science, students majoring in 
computer science was down because of the geek>stigma. The result was a 
shortage in IT workers. Then came the Internet>bubble and students began 
jumping onto the computer science bandwagon.>So...>to ensure 
demand for our services we should discourage student 
enrollment>in>the computer sciences by playing up the geek, 
propeller-head thing. :-)>>Got pocket protector?>Steve 
Orr>>>-Original Message->[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]>Sent: 
Wednesday, August 01, 2001 9:51 AM>To: Multiple recipients of list 
ORACLE-L>>Another sign of the times is that ITI is closing its US 
schools.>  For those who don't know - it is a computer training 
school. They started>years>ago as a school in Atlantic Canada 
offering a 10 month course. Later they>expanded to few Canadian and US 
cities. Last year they advertised on TV and>radio about 400,000 unfilled 
positions in e-commerce etc. and>offered-commerce>training. 
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RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Christopher Spence]

IQ is not common sense, it is problem solving.

Even Einstein was considered stupid in many respects somewhat artistic.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
Oracle DBA
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Don't know what my IQ is, and don't care.  I'll take my street smarts any
day.  My wife worked with some lady who, whenever introducing herself,
always made sure she let you know she was a MENSA member.  She (and just as
many "he's" out there, not to be sexist) was also the kind of person to pay
$39.99 for a blinker fluid change...

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depends on what you are learning. My IQ is not low, yet I CANNOT for the 
life of me learn physics or data communications.

IQ may be part of it. INTEREST in the subject is part too.

and IQ is not ability to learn, but capacity to learn.


>From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:39:27 -0800
>
>IQ from what I understand is COMPLETELY related to how fast you learn.
>
>IQ is your ability to learn, nothing to do with how "Smart" you are.
>
>Smart is how much you know, nothing to do with how you learn.
>
>"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that 
>way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their 
>shoes."
>
>Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
>Oracle DBA
>Phone: (978) 322-5744
>Fax:(707) 885-2275
>
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>North, Chelmsford 01863
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>
>
>since when did IQ have any relation to how fast you learn?
>
>some of the most brilliant people I know are slow thinkers, who take 
>time
>to
>
>process what they are learning and take even more time to make sure 
>that what they are saying is accurate before they speak.
>
>
> >From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
> >Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:56:32 -0800
> >
> >I would be curious of HOW WELL he knows those things.
> >Anyone can learn most of everything out there, but to be able to do 
> >it and do it well is another thing.
> >
> >Also when you go so many directions like that, you never work on the 
> >same thing for long, which means you need to be able to jump back 
> >into something else VERY quickly or there is no sense learning it in 
> >the first place.
> >
> >There is one thing as being good at many things, but when the sh%t 
> >really hits the fan, you call someone that knows what their doing, 
> >not the jack of all trades.
> >
> >I being 26, I found myself becoming a jack of all trades, and I think 
> >I still am.  I did not like that, so I picked up Oracle about 3.5 
> >years ago and decided I am going to take one thing, and be damn good 
> >at it. I was a good system admin and adapted very well.  But I did 
> >not get the luxery of REALLY knowing everything about what I was 
> >using.  Although I generally can figure things out extremely quick 
> >where it appears I know it.  "I!" was not comfortable with my 
> >accomplishments, I wanted to know more and more.  I could not do that 
> >doing what I was doing, broad generalization was not how I wanted to 
> >be.
> >
> >With an iq of 147, I think I can be considered a very quick learner.  
> >I know for a fact that 4 years ago when I was 22, I could not do all 
> >of what was claimed in previous email by Mark (Oracle DBA, Sybase 
> >Admin, SQL Server DBA,
> >JAVA, HTML) and consider myself great at it.  Although you can be very
> >comfortable with them, comfort can be obtained in very short time frames.
> >True talent to play as an allstar takes years, no matter how smart you 
>are
> >and what ya doing.
> >
> >I once met a street sweeper who was going on to 50 years old, I asked 
> >him why did he not try to find a better job. His answer was "Because 
> >I am the best street sweeper there ever was." After
> >saying that, I had a new found respect for him and was detirmined to seek
> >the same motivation in my life.
> >
> >"Do not criticize someone until you walked

RE: completely off-topic question...

[Mercadante, Thomas F]

Rachel,

did I criticize anyone here today?  :)

Tom Mercadante
{apparently misguided} Oracle Certified Professional


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Tom,

yes I pick nits. Words have power. I also do not criticize people who hold 
different opinions than mine... I figure they are allowed to be misguided :)

Rachel


>From: "Mercadante, Thomas F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:06:00 -0800
>
>Rachel,
>
>Alright, alright... it *probably* has not been translated into the various
>dialects of China.  (I would not be surprised if it has, however).
>
>Just because you don't like it, does not diminish its impact on the 
>literary
>world!  :)
>
>My apologies to Jared if I mis-read something.
>
>
>   NitPicker!
>
>
>Tom Mercadante
>Oracle Certified Professional
>
>
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>
>
>
> >And Jared, you are allowed to not like something that the majority of the
> >world thinks is pretty spectacular.  Free country!  :)
> >
> >Tom Mercadante
> >Oracle Certified Professional
> >
>
>
>"majority of the world" laying it on pretty thick there Tom. I 
>seriously
>
>doubt that most of the people in the world have heard of the Lord of the
>Rings, let alone read it... you really think most of the non-english
>speaking Chinese population, as an example, have read it?
>
>Let's keep the hyperbole down to a reasonable level, okay? :)
>
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Re: ORA-00600 on Production DB - Need advice/Still Searching

[DBarbour]

Denny/Kirti,

Thanks for the replies.  The bug finder is kinda cool.  I'd already been
through about one third of the entries it found, but I looked through the
rest.  No real help.  Can't log in to shut down the DB.  Whether I try
svrmgrl or sqlplus, I get asked for a password or told I have insufficient
privileges.  There aren't any additional trace files.  Here's the output of
the ulimit -a command:
qe2n1: /u014/oradata/ifastrn>>/usr/bin/ulimit -a
time(seconds)unlimited
file(blocks) unlimited
data(kbytes) 196608
stack(kbytes)196608
memory(kbytes)   unlimited
coredump(blocks) 4194303
nofiles(descriptors) 2048

kmtune shows me the following:
maxssiz  0X0C00
maxssiz_64bit   0x4000
swapmem_on   0
dbc_max_pct  50

Total physical and swap meory (from top) is:
Memory: 364536K (264244K) real, 423812K (340152K) virtual, 6453348K free



David A. Barbour
Oracle DBA, OCP
AISD
512-414-1002


   

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Hi David,

  To get the proper output for ulimit, use

  /usr/bin/ulimit -a

or
  sh ulimit -a

Also the following information should help in trying to debug the problem.

1. Total Physical Memory
2. Total Disk Swap Configured
3. The output of kmtune or the kernel parameters maxdsiz, maxdsiz_64bit,
swapmem_on, dbc_max_pct
4. The output of ulimit (Use /usr/bin/ulimit -a )

  Have you tried restarting the database ?

Regards,
Denny

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Mondays, gotta love em, they make Fridays worth the wait.  I've got Ta
> production database (8.1.7, HP-UX 11.0 - 64 bit) that started throwing an
> ora-600 when users try to log in.  I've created a TAR (3 hours ago), but
> haven't gotten any response.  Here's the error:
>
> ERROR:
> ORA-00600: internal error code, arguments: [kzckini: nzdsi_i], [28750],
[],
> [],
> [], [], [], [
>
> Metalink has a couple of messages stating that this is an OS problem
> related to the ulimit size, availability of virtual memory, and the
ability
> to create a pga.  Suggested remedy is to increase the ulimit.   My SA has
> dismissed this as a cause.  I've knocked all the users off, but still
can't
> log in.  When I run ulimit I get the following:
>  qe2n1: /u001/app/oracle/product/8.1.7/dbs>>ulimit
>  4194303
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> David A. Barbour
> Oracle DBA, OCP
> AISD
> 512-414-1002

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RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Henry Poras]

It doesn't hurt to eat bananas either, but what does that have to do with
anything? 

An addendum to Ian's comment. The only time I ever came across physics
doctorates using the title 'Doctor' were medical physicists working in a
hospital. I got the feeling they needed to compete with the medical doctors.

Henry

-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:34 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Doesn't hurt to have a high IQ though:)

-Original Message-
Carmichael
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:06 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


since when did IQ have any relation to how fast you learn?

some of the most brilliant people I know are slow thinkers, who take time to
process what they are learning and take even more time to make sure that
what they are saying is accurate before they speak.


>From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:56:32 -0800
>
>I would be curious of HOW WELL he knows those things.
>Anyone can learn most of everything out there, but to be able to do it and
>do it well is another thing.
>
>Also when you go so many directions like that, you never work on the same
>thing for long, which means you need to be able to jump back into something
>else VERY quickly or there is no sense learning it in the first place.
>
>There is one thing as being good at many things, but when the sh%t really
>hits the fan, you call someone that knows what their doing, not the jack of
>all trades.
>
>I being 26, I found myself becoming a jack of all trades, and I think I
>still am.  I did not like that, so I picked up Oracle about 3.5 years ago
>and decided I am going to take one thing, and be damn good at it.  I was a
>good system admin and adapted very well.  But I did not get the luxery of
>REALLY knowing everything about what I was using.  Although I generally can
>figure things out extremely quick where it appears I know it.  "I!" was not
>comfortable with my accomplishments, I wanted to know more and more.  I
>could not do that doing what I was doing, broad generalization was not how
>I
>wanted to be.
>
>With an iq of 147, I think I can be considered a very quick learner.  I
>know
>for a fact that 4 years ago when I was 22, I could not do all of what was
>claimed in previous email by Mark (Oracle DBA, Sybase Admin, SQL Server
>DBA,
>JAVA, HTML) and consider myself great at it.  Although you can be very
>comfortable with them, comfort can be obtained in very short time frames.
>True talent to play as an allstar takes years, no matter how smart you are
>and what ya doing.
>
>I once met a street sweeper who was going on to 50 years old, I asked him
>why did he not try to find a better job.
>His answer was "Because I am the best street sweeper there ever was."
>After
>saying that, I had a new found respect for him and was detirmined to seek
>the same motivation in my life.
>
>"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
>when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."
>
>Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
>Oracle DBA
>Phone: (978) 322-5744
>Fax:(707) 885-2275
>
>Fuelspot
>73 Princeton Street
>North, Chelmsford 01863
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:17 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>But Kevin, having all under his belt doesn't mean he's ever used it.  Maybe
>we're not slackers afterall.
>
>Ruth
>- Original Message -
>To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 10:15 AM
>
>
> > WOW, now I feel like slacker:)
> > KK
> > - Original Message -
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:51 AM
> >
> >
> > > Cheers Lee!
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity how old did you think I was? I was actually turned
> > > down
> > for
> > > cigarettes a few months back!! I couldn't believe it!! I'm 22 BTW
> > > (only
>6
> > > years above the legal limit!).
> > >
> > > Already got Oracle Admin, SQLServer admin, HTML & JAVA programming
> > > under
> > my
> > > belt - with a little Sybase ASE around the edges and currently
> > > moving in
> > to
> > > the DB2 world!! Not bad for 4 years of intensive reading a playing..
> > >
> > > My next step is to sink my teeth in to UNIX..
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > Lee - lerobe
> > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:01
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > After having firstly talking to Mark at length on the phone while
> > evaluating
> > > some of his products, I was extremely surprised to see exactly how
> > > young
> > he
> > > actually was (or at least looked !!)when I met him at the Oracle 9i
>launch
> > > at Oracle UK. As for me, a late starter in 1990 on Cobol after
> > > dropp

RE: ORA-00600 on Production DB - Need advice

[Unal Bilisim]

Thank you Kirti,


I saw some incorrect usages of iOraBugFinder. So, I added more explanation to 
iOraBugFinder page. 

in fact, I wasn't going to analyze alert.log. because alert.log doesn't include 
detailed information. If alert.log is uploaded, it should be uploaded with Bug 
depth of 0. Bug depth of 0 is least selective. to narrow down returned bugs, 
select highest level bug depth and upload trace files instead of alert.log. 
Decrease Bug depth until you find your bug.

Number of returned bugs depends on bugs status and your database support 
licence with Oracle. If bugs are not published or you don't have database 
support licence, you can not see the bugs. In this case, it's recommended 
sending iOraBugFinder results to your support services. This may reduce your 
response time from support. Some of Oracle support services have started to use 
iOraBugFinder. If you don't want to lose time on support, upload yourself 
first. if you can not find your bug, send iOraBugFinder results to support. 
iOraBugFinder has capability of sending emails.


I'm planing some other web based db utils. if you have a product advice, don't 
hesitate to email me.

6/8/01 09:50:37, "Deshpande, Kirti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>David,
>The ulimit looks okay to me. The value shown is equivalent to 'unlimited'. 
>While you are waiting for the OWS, try getting your alert.log analyzed for
>ORA-600 at
>http://www.unal-bilisim.com/products/iorabugfinder/iorabugfinder.html. It
>may find something that you may not have come across. Are there any other
>trace files that may tell you more? 
>
>Regards,
>
>- Kirti Deshpande 
>  Verizon Information Services
>   http://www.superpages.com
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent:Monday, August 06, 2001 12:58 PM
>> To:  Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>> Subject: ORA-00600 on Production DB - Need advice
>> 
>> 
>> Mondays, gotta love em, they make Fridays worth the wait.  I've got a
>> production database (8.1.7, HP-UX 11.0 - 64 bit) that started throwing an
>> ora-600 when users try to log in.  I've created a TAR (3 hours ago), but
>> haven't gotten any response.  Here's the error:
>> 
>> ERROR:
>> ORA-00600: internal error code, arguments: [kzckini: nzdsi_i], [28750],
>> [],
>> [],
>> [], [], [], [
>> 
>> Metalink has a couple of messages stating that this is an OS problem
>> related to the ulimit size, availability of virtual memory, and the
>> ability
>> to create a pga.  Suggested remedy is to increase the ulimit.   My SA has
>> dismissed this as a cause.  I've knocked all the users off, but still
>> can't
>> log in.  When I run ulimit I get the following:
>>  qe2n1: /u001/app/oracle/product/8.1.7/dbs>>ulimit
>>  4194303
>> 
>> Any suggestions?
>> 
>> David A. Barbour
>> Oracle DBA, OCP
>> AISD
>> 512-414-1002
>> 
>> 
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RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Rachel Carmichael]

oh I don't know... I can't tell you how many Mensa members I've met whose 
level of verbal sparring is "did not" "did too" "did not" "your mama wears 
army boots"


>From: "Kevin Kostyszyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:33:32 -0800
>
>Doesn't hurt to have a high IQ though:)
>
>-Original Message-
>Carmichael
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:06 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>since when did IQ have any relation to how fast you learn?
>
>some of the most brilliant people I know are slow thinkers, who take time 
>to
>process what they are learning and take even more time to make sure that
>what they are saying is accurate before they speak.
>
>
> >From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
> >Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:56:32 -0800
> >
> >I would be curious of HOW WELL he knows those things.
> >Anyone can learn most of everything out there, but to be able to do it 
>and
> >do it well is another thing.
> >
> >Also when you go so many directions like that, you never work on the same
> >thing for long, which means you need to be able to jump back into 
>something
> >else VERY quickly or there is no sense learning it in the first place.
> >
> >There is one thing as being good at many things, but when the sh%t really
> >hits the fan, you call someone that knows what their doing, not the jack 
>of
> >all trades.
> >
> >I being 26, I found myself becoming a jack of all trades, and I think I
> >still am.  I did not like that, so I picked up Oracle about 3.5 years ago
> >and decided I am going to take one thing, and be damn good at it.  I was 
>a
> >good system admin and adapted very well.  But I did not get the luxery of
> >REALLY knowing everything about what I was using.  Although I generally 
>can
> >figure things out extremely quick where it appears I know it.  "I!" was 
>not
> >comfortable with my accomplishments, I wanted to know more and more.  I
> >could not do that doing what I was doing, broad generalization was not 
>how
> >I
> >wanted to be.
> >
> >With an iq of 147, I think I can be considered a very quick learner.  I
> >know
> >for a fact that 4 years ago when I was 22, I could not do all of what was
> >claimed in previous email by Mark (Oracle DBA, Sybase Admin, SQL Server
> >DBA,
> >JAVA, HTML) and consider myself great at it.  Although you can be very
> >comfortable with them, comfort can be obtained in very short time frames.
> >True talent to play as an allstar takes years, no matter how smart you 
>are
> >and what ya doing.
> >
> >I once met a street sweeper who was going on to 50 years old, I asked him
> >why did he not try to find a better job.
> >His answer was "Because I am the best street sweeper there ever was."
> >After
> >saying that, I had a new found respect for him and was detirmined to seek
> >the same motivation in my life.
> >
> >"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that 
>way
> >when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."
> >
> >Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
> >Oracle DBA
> >Phone: (978) 322-5744
> >Fax:(707) 885-2275
> >
> >Fuelspot
> >73 Princeton Street
> >North, Chelmsford 01863
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:17 AM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >But Kevin, having all under his belt doesn't mean he's ever used it.  
>Maybe
> >we're not slackers afterall.
> >
> >Ruth
> >- Original Message -
> >To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 10:15 AM
> >
> >
> > > WOW, now I feel like slacker:)
> > > KK
> > > - Original Message -
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:51 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > > Cheers Lee!
> > > >
> > > > Out of curiosity how old did you think I was? I was actually turned
> > > > down
> > > for
> > > > cigarettes a few months back!! I couldn't believe it!! I'm 22 BTW
> > > > (only
> >6
> > > > years above the legal limit!).
> > > >
> > > > Already got Oracle Admin, SQLServer admin, HTML & JAVA programming
> > > > under
> > > my
> > > > belt - with a little Sybase ASE around the edges and currently
> > > > moving in
> > > to
> > > > the DB2 world!! Not bad for 4 years of intensive reading a playing..
> > > >
> > > > My next step is to sink my teeth in to UNIX..
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > Lee - lerobe
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:01
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > After having firstly talking to Mark at length on the phone while
> > > evaluating
> > > > some

Re: OT : Way OT

[Rachel Carmichael]

nah, just hot, humid and sticky all around the country... and we are frayed


>From: "Mercadante, Thomas F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: OT : Way OT
>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:42:00 -0800
>
>Wow!
>
>you can tell we are approaching a full moon.  this list is getting a bit
>nasty!
>
>Tom Mercadante
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RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[HAWKINS, JAMES W [IT/1000]]

Don't know what my IQ is, and don't care.  I'll take my street smarts any
day.  My wife worked with some lady who, whenever introducing herself,
always made sure she let you know she was a MENSA member.  She (and just as
many "he's" out there, not to be sexist) was also the kind of person to pay
$39.99 for a blinker fluid change...

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-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:24 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


depends on what you are learning. My IQ is not low, yet I CANNOT for the 
life of me learn physics or data communications.

IQ may be part of it. INTEREST in the subject is part too.

and IQ is not ability to learn, but capacity to learn.


>From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:39:27 -0800
>
>IQ from what I understand is COMPLETELY related to how fast you learn.
>
>IQ is your ability to learn, nothing to do with how "Smart" you are.
>
>Smart is how much you know, nothing to do with how you learn.
>
>"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
>when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."
>
>Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
>Oracle DBA
>Phone: (978) 322-5744
>Fax:(707) 885-2275
>
>Fuelspot
>73 Princeton Street
>North, Chelmsford 01863
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:06 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>since when did IQ have any relation to how fast you learn?
>
>some of the most brilliant people I know are slow thinkers, who take time 
>to
>
>process what they are learning and take even more time to make sure that
>what they are saying is accurate before they speak.
>
>
> >From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
> >Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:56:32 -0800
> >
> >I would be curious of HOW WELL he knows those things.
> >Anyone can learn most of everything out there, but to be able to do it
> >and do it well is another thing.
> >
> >Also when you go so many directions like that, you never work on the
> >same thing for long, which means you need to be able to jump back into
> >something else VERY quickly or there is no sense learning it in the
> >first place.
> >
> >There is one thing as being good at many things, but when the sh%t
> >really hits the fan, you call someone that knows what their doing, not
> >the jack of all trades.
> >
> >I being 26, I found myself becoming a jack of all trades, and I think I
> >still am.  I did not like that, so I picked up Oracle about 3.5 years
> >ago and decided I am going to take one thing, and be damn good at it.
> >I was a good system admin and adapted very well.  But I did not get the
> >luxery of REALLY knowing everything about what I was using.  Although I
> >generally can figure things out extremely quick where it appears I know
> >it.  "I!" was not comfortable with my accomplishments, I wanted to know
> >more and more.  I could not do that doing what I was doing, broad
> >generalization was not how I wanted to be.
> >
> >With an iq of 147, I think I can be considered a very quick learner.  I
> >know
> >for a fact that 4 years ago when I was 22, I could not do all of what was
> >claimed in previous email by Mark (Oracle DBA, Sybase Admin, SQL Server
> >DBA,
> >JAVA, HTML) and consider myself great at it.  Although you can be very
> >comfortable with them, comfort can be obtained in very short time frames.
> >True talent to play as an allstar takes years, no matter how smart you 
>are
> >and what ya doing.
> >
> >I once met a street sweeper who was going on to 50 years old, I asked
> >him why did he not try to find a better job. His answer was "Because I
> >am the best street sweeper there ever was."
> >After
> >saying that, I had a new found respect for him and was detirmined to seek
> >the same motivation in my life.
> >
> >"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that
> >way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their
> >shoes."
> >
> >Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
> >Oracle DBA
> >Phone: (978) 322-5744
> >Fax:(707) 885-2275
> >
> >Fuelspot
> >73 Princeton Street
> >North, Chelmsford 01863
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:17 AM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >But Kevin, having all under his belt doesn't mean he's ever used it.
> >Maybe we're not slackers afterall.
> >
> >Ruth
> >

RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Kevin Kostyszyn]

HAHAH:)

-Original Message-
Carmichael
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 3:24 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


oh I don't know... I can't tell you how many Mensa members I've met whose
level of verbal sparring is "did not" "did too" "did not" "your mama wears
army boots"


>From: "Kevin Kostyszyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:33:32 -0800
>
>Doesn't hurt to have a high IQ though:)
>
>-Original Message-
>Carmichael
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:06 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>since when did IQ have any relation to how fast you learn?
>
>some of the most brilliant people I know are slow thinkers, who take time
>to
>process what they are learning and take even more time to make sure that
>what they are saying is accurate before they speak.
>
>
> >From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
> >Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:56:32 -0800
> >
> >I would be curious of HOW WELL he knows those things.
> >Anyone can learn most of everything out there, but to be able to do it
>and
> >do it well is another thing.
> >
> >Also when you go so many directions like that, you never work on the same
> >thing for long, which means you need to be able to jump back into
>something
> >else VERY quickly or there is no sense learning it in the first place.
> >
> >There is one thing as being good at many things, but when the sh%t really
> >hits the fan, you call someone that knows what their doing, not the jack
>of
> >all trades.
> >
> >I being 26, I found myself becoming a jack of all trades, and I think I
> >still am.  I did not like that, so I picked up Oracle about 3.5 years ago
> >and decided I am going to take one thing, and be damn good at it.  I was
>a
> >good system admin and adapted very well.  But I did not get the luxery of
> >REALLY knowing everything about what I was using.  Although I generally
>can
> >figure things out extremely quick where it appears I know it.  "I!" was
>not
> >comfortable with my accomplishments, I wanted to know more and more.  I
> >could not do that doing what I was doing, broad generalization was not
>how
> >I
> >wanted to be.
> >
> >With an iq of 147, I think I can be considered a very quick learner.  I
> >know
> >for a fact that 4 years ago when I was 22, I could not do all of what was
> >claimed in previous email by Mark (Oracle DBA, Sybase Admin, SQL Server
> >DBA,
> >JAVA, HTML) and consider myself great at it.  Although you can be very
> >comfortable with them, comfort can be obtained in very short time frames.
> >True talent to play as an allstar takes years, no matter how smart you
>are
> >and what ya doing.
> >
> >I once met a street sweeper who was going on to 50 years old, I asked him
> >why did he not try to find a better job.
> >His answer was "Because I am the best street sweeper there ever was."
> >After
> >saying that, I had a new found respect for him and was detirmined to seek
> >the same motivation in my life.
> >
> >"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that
>way
> >when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."
> >
> >Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
> >Oracle DBA
> >Phone: (978) 322-5744
> >Fax:(707) 885-2275
> >
> >Fuelspot
> >73 Princeton Street
> >North, Chelmsford 01863
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:17 AM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >But Kevin, having all under his belt doesn't mean he's ever used it.
>Maybe
> >we're not slackers afterall.
> >
> >Ruth
> >- Original Message -
> >To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 10:15 AM
> >
> >
> > > WOW, now I feel like slacker:)
> > > KK
> > > - Original Message -
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:51 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > > Cheers Lee!
> > > >
> > > > Out of curiosity how old did you think I was? I was actually turned
> > > > down
> > > for
> > > > cigarettes a few months back!! I couldn't believe it!! I'm 22 BTW
> > > > (only
> >6
> > > > years above the legal limit!).
> > > >
> > > > Already got Oracle Admin, SQLServer admin, HTML & JAVA programming
> > > > under
> > > my
> > > > belt - with a little Sybase ASE around the edges and currently
> > > > moving in
> > > to
> > > > the DB2 world!! Not bad for 4 years of intensive reading a playing..
> > > >
> > > > My next step is to sink my teeth in to UNIX..
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > Lee - lerobe
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:01
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >

RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Rachel Carmichael]

depends on what you are learning. My IQ is not low, yet I CANNOT for the 
life of me learn physics or data communications.

IQ may be part of it. INTEREST in the subject is part too.

and IQ is not ability to learn, but capacity to learn.


>From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:39:27 -0800
>
>IQ from what I understand is COMPLETELY related to how fast you learn.
>
>IQ is your ability to learn, nothing to do with how "Smart" you are.
>
>Smart is how much you know, nothing to do with how you learn.
>
>"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
>when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."
>
>Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
>Oracle DBA
>Phone: (978) 322-5744
>Fax:(707) 885-2275
>
>Fuelspot
>73 Princeton Street
>North, Chelmsford 01863
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:06 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>since when did IQ have any relation to how fast you learn?
>
>some of the most brilliant people I know are slow thinkers, who take time 
>to
>
>process what they are learning and take even more time to make sure that
>what they are saying is accurate before they speak.
>
>
> >From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
> >Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:56:32 -0800
> >
> >I would be curious of HOW WELL he knows those things.
> >Anyone can learn most of everything out there, but to be able to do it
> >and do it well is another thing.
> >
> >Also when you go so many directions like that, you never work on the
> >same thing for long, which means you need to be able to jump back into
> >something else VERY quickly or there is no sense learning it in the
> >first place.
> >
> >There is one thing as being good at many things, but when the sh%t
> >really hits the fan, you call someone that knows what their doing, not
> >the jack of all trades.
> >
> >I being 26, I found myself becoming a jack of all trades, and I think I
> >still am.  I did not like that, so I picked up Oracle about 3.5 years
> >ago and decided I am going to take one thing, and be damn good at it.
> >I was a good system admin and adapted very well.  But I did not get the
> >luxery of REALLY knowing everything about what I was using.  Although I
> >generally can figure things out extremely quick where it appears I know
> >it.  "I!" was not comfortable with my accomplishments, I wanted to know
> >more and more.  I could not do that doing what I was doing, broad
> >generalization was not how I wanted to be.
> >
> >With an iq of 147, I think I can be considered a very quick learner.  I
> >know
> >for a fact that 4 years ago when I was 22, I could not do all of what was
> >claimed in previous email by Mark (Oracle DBA, Sybase Admin, SQL Server
> >DBA,
> >JAVA, HTML) and consider myself great at it.  Although you can be very
> >comfortable with them, comfort can be obtained in very short time frames.
> >True talent to play as an allstar takes years, no matter how smart you 
>are
> >and what ya doing.
> >
> >I once met a street sweeper who was going on to 50 years old, I asked
> >him why did he not try to find a better job. His answer was "Because I
> >am the best street sweeper there ever was."
> >After
> >saying that, I had a new found respect for him and was detirmined to seek
> >the same motivation in my life.
> >
> >"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that
> >way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their
> >shoes."
> >
> >Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
> >Oracle DBA
> >Phone: (978) 322-5744
> >Fax:(707) 885-2275
> >
> >Fuelspot
> >73 Princeton Street
> >North, Chelmsford 01863
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:17 AM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >But Kevin, having all under his belt doesn't mean he's ever used it.
> >Maybe we're not slackers afterall.
> >
> >Ruth
> >- Original Message -
> >To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 10:15 AM
> >
> >
> > > WOW, now I feel like slacker:)
> > > KK
> > > - Original Message -
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:51 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > > Cheers Lee!
> > > >
> > > > Out of curiosity how old did you think I was? I was actually
> > > > turned down
> > > for
> > > > cigarettes a few months back!! I couldn't believe it!! I'm 22 BTW
> > > > (only
> >6
> > > > years above the legal limit!).
> > > >
> > > > Already got Oracle Admin, SQLServer admin, HTML & JAVA progr

RE: completely off-topic question...

[Kevin Kostyszyn]

Yes, she was the ultimate evil, but I was talking about the guy, her knight
if you will who lead the army.  He was really large and war a skull for a
mask.

-Original Message-
Carmichael
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 3:13 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


the main bad "guy" in Willow was a woman... played by Sian Phillips as I
recall.




>From: "Kevin Kostyszyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: completely off-topic question...
>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 09:40:39 -0800
>
>I agree to an extent, but I figured frodo would look a little different, at
>least in my warped mind.  Gandalf on the other hand, well he is right on,
>but I would think everyone would have imagined him pretty much the same.  I
>can't wait to see these movies!!!
>   I like movies like that, there was a movie a couple of years back, Willow,
>it was all about magical powers and warriors and such, I LOVE that stuff!!!
>I just remember the one main bad guy was ssooo mean looking!!
>
>-Original Message-
>Dave
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 12:57 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>I cannot remember the last time that I was excited about a movie being
>released.  It looks like they are doing one a year with the first being
>released later this year.  I checked out the web site and checked the
>actors.  From my memories of the books it appears that they did a good job
>of casting(at least as far as looks go).  They looked pretty much the way
>my
>imagination made them.
>
>Dave
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:32 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>Good grief Dave, there are to be three of them, thefirst being the one
>Kevin
>already mentioned. Real actors but I guess, a great deal of computer
>animation as well. I cannot wait myself.
>
>Check out http://www.lordoftherings.net/
>
>Cheers
>
>Lee
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: 06 August 2001 16:46
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>They are making a movie on Lord of The Rings?  Is it going to be an
>animated
>one?  I did not care for the other animated movie.  Another good read is by
>Steven R Donaldson called "The Chronicals of Thomas Covenant".  I have read
>these two series numerous times.
>
>Dave
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:12 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>Wow, how could you not like the Lord of the Rings!!!  I can't wait till
>this
>December when they release the first movie...:)
>KK
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 6:50 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>On Saturday 04 August 2001 16:25, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> >
> > 
> >
> > I am NOT a fan of Tolkein. I have read the Lord of the Rings trilogy and
> > The Hobbit, seen the Bakshi version of the trilogy and the cartoon
>version
> > of The Hobbit. Sorry, he just doesn't do it for me
> >
> > 
>
>Oh my,  it's a good thing this is via email.
>
>Just wait till the next IOUG and I'll slip my ring on...
>
>Jared
>
> >
> > Rachel
> >
> > From: "Thater, William" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: Re: completely off-topic question...
> > >Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 10:46:04 -0800
> > >
> > >Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> > > > oh, my library is relatively small -- when you add in all technical,
> > > > fiction, science fiction, mystery, craft books, throw in the
>knitting
> > > > magazines I still only have about 7 bookcases.
> > >
> > >only 7?;-)  sadly my collection was ... um... dispatched by a
> > >vindictive first wife so i have nothing left.:-(
> > >
> > >i miss many of them including "stranger in a strange land" and a boxed
> > >set of hobbit and lord of the rings.  *sigh*
> > >
> > >i guess if i had the time i should start hunting in the second hand
>book
> > >shops.
> > >
> > >maybe later today if i get out of work in time.
> > >
> > >having "fun" playing with 9iAS and portal.;-)
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >Bill "Shrek" Thater  ORACLE DBA
> > >Telergy,Inc.   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> > >It's got to come from the heart if you want it to work!
> >
> >
> > >The Soviet Union does not exist any more in its present format.
> > >
> > >--
> > >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
> > >--
> > >Author: Thater, William
> > >   INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051  FAX: (858) 538-5051
> > >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists
> > >
> > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message
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RE: completely off-topic question...

[Kevin Lange]

>From what I got from it they are using real sized actors and using comuter
trickery to shrink them down on film.   From what I saw of the previews 
It looks great.

-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 12:26 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


How are they handling the fact that Hobbits and dwarfs are only 3-4 feet
tall?  Are the using children with lots of makeup?  

> -Original Message-
> From: Farnsworth, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 12:57 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: completely off-topic question...
> 
> 
> I cannot remember the last time that I was excited about a movie being
> released.  It looks like they are doing one a year with the 
> first being
> released later this year.  I checked out the web site and checked the
> actors.  From my memories of the books it appears that they 
> did a good job
> of casting(at least as far as looks go).  They looked pretty 
> much the way my
> imagination made them.
> 
> Dave
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:32 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> Good grief Dave, there are to be three of them, thefirst 
> being the one Kevin
> already mentioned. Real actors but I guess, a great deal of computer
> animation as well. I cannot wait myself.
> 
> Check out http://www.lordoftherings.net/
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Lee
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: 06 August 2001 16:46
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> They are making a movie on Lord of The Rings?  Is it going to 
> be an animated
> one?  I did not care for the other animated movie.  Another 
> good read is by
> Steven R Donaldson called "The Chronicals of Thomas 
> Covenant".  I have read
> these two series numerous times.
> 
> Dave
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:12 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> Wow, how could you not like the Lord of the Rings!!!  I can't 
> wait till this
> December when they release the first movie...:)
> KK
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 6:50 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> On Saturday 04 August 2001 16:25, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> >
> > 
> >
> > I am NOT a fan of Tolkein. I have read the Lord of the 
> Rings trilogy and
> > The Hobbit, seen the Bakshi version of the trilogy and the 
> cartoon version
> > of The Hobbit. Sorry, he just doesn't do it for me
> >
> > 
> 
> Oh my,  it's a good thing this is via email.
> 
> Just wait till the next IOUG and I'll slip my ring on...
> 
> Jared
> 
> >
> > Rachel
> >
> > From: "Thater, William" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: Re: completely off-topic question...
> > >Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 10:46:04 -0800
> > >
> > >Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> > > > oh, my library is relatively small -- when you add in 
> all technical,
> > > > fiction, science fiction, mystery, craft books, throw 
> in the knitting
> > > > magazines I still only have about 7 bookcases.
> > >
> > >only 7?;-)  sadly my collection was ... um... dispatched by a
> > >vindictive first wife so i have nothing left.:-(
> > >
> > >i miss many of them including "stranger in a strange land" 
> and a boxed
> > >set of hobbit and lord of the rings.  *sigh*
> > >
> > >i guess if i had the time i should start hunting in the 
> second hand book
> > >shops.
> > >
> > >maybe later today if i get out of work in time.
> > >
> > >having "fun" playing with 9iAS and portal.;-)
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >Bill "Shrek" Thater  ORACLE DBA
> > >Telergy,Inc.   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> >-
> ---
> > >It's got to come from the heart if you want it to work!
> > 
> >-
> ---
> > >The Soviet Union does not exist any more in its present format.
> > >
> > >--
> > >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
> > >--
> > >Author: Thater, William
> > >   INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
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RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Norwood Bradly A]

Ian:

As U.G. Krishnamurti offers, the "I" is a tricky illusion projected by our
wetware.  I suppose the distance from the projector to the screen is related
to the size of the illusion; I have noticed that my illusion has decreased
tremendously in my ancient age.  Nothing is grander than waking up in the
morning to another sunrise.  Definitely a greater treasure than Albert's
photoelectric Nobel, and he would probably prefer the former.

-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 1:22 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Big Brain:
There are about 1200 permanent employees here.  You can't spit without
hitting  someone with a physics doctorate; we have so many that the "Doctor"
honorific is not used, and we have a couple Nobel laureates.  I doubt any of
them knows their IQ.  If they did they wouldn't boast about it.

Did you really talk to that street sweeper?  I've heard that story several
times, and always thought it was apocryphal.  To hear from the one who
actually did is astounding.


You are a prolific poster and a very knowledgeable DBA.  Your posts have
doubtless helped  a great many people.   We suspect you are  very good.  You
don't have to tell us.


Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
[EMAIL PROTECTED]







-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 9:57 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I would be curious of HOW WELL he knows those things.
Anyone can learn most of everything out there, but to be able to do it and
do it well is another thing.

Also when you go so many directions like that, you never work on the same
thing for long, which means you need to be able to jump back into something
else VERY quickly or there is no sense learning it in the first place.

There is one thing as being good at many things, but when the sh%t really
hits the fan, you call someone that knows what their doing, not the jack of
all trades.

I being 26, I found myself becoming a jack of all trades, and I think I
still am.  I did not like that, so I picked up Oracle about 3.5 years ago
and decided I am going to take one thing, and be damn good at it.  I was a
good system admin and adapted very well.  But I did not get the luxery of
REALLY knowing everything about what I was using.  Although I generally can
figure things out extremely quick where it appears I know it.  "I!" was not
comfortable with my accomplishments, I wanted to know more and more.  I
could not do that doing what I was doing, broad generalization was not how I
wanted to be.

With an iq of 147, I think I can be considered a very quick learner.  I know
for a fact that 4 years ago when I was 22, I could not do all of what was
claimed in previous email by Mark (Oracle DBA, Sybase Admin, SQL Server DBA,
JAVA, HTML) and consider myself great at it.  Although you can be very
comfortable with them, comfort can be obtained in very short time frames.
True talent to play as an allstar takes years, no matter how smart you are
and what ya doing.

I once met a street sweeper who was going on to 50 years old, I asked him
why did he not try to find a better job.
His answer was "Because I am the best street sweeper there ever was."  After
saying that, I had a new found respect for him and was detirmined to seek
the same motivation in my life.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
Oracle DBA
Phone: (978) 322-5744
Fax:(707) 885-2275

Fuelspot
73 Princeton Street
North, Chelmsford 01863
 



-Original Message-
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:17 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


But Kevin, having all under his belt doesn't mean he's ever used it.  Maybe
we're not slackers afterall.

Ruth
- Original Message -
To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 10:15 AM


> WOW, now I feel like slacker:)
> KK
> - Original Message -
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:51 AM
>
>
> > Cheers Lee!
> >
> > Out of curiosity how old did you think I was? I was actually turned 
> > down
> for
> > cigarettes a few months back!! I couldn't believe it!! I'm 22 BTW 
> > (only
6
> > years above the legal limit!).
> >
> > Already got Oracle Admin, SQLServer admin, HTML & JAVA programming 
> > under
> my
> > belt - with a little Sybase ASE around the edges and currently 
> > moving in
> to
> > the DB2 world!! Not bad for 4 years of intensive reading a playing..
> >
> > My next step is to sink my teeth in to UNIX..
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > Lee - lerobe
> > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:01
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > After having firstly talking to Mark at length on the phone while
> evaluating
> > some of his products, I was extremely surprised to see exactly how 
> > young
> he
> > a

RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Norwood Bradly A]

I was lucky enough to hang around with Glenn Seaborg at Lawrence RL in 1964
for a day when the cyclotron was open for repairs.  We actually walked
inside it( I just knew I'd die of leukemia the very next day!).  He told me
that after he prepared to the best of his abilities for an experiment, he
would place his hands on that thick yellow glass window as the accelerator
was warming up and start praying.  The last equation for him was prayer, not
brains.  Memorable event.


-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:07 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


>-we have so many that the "Doctor" honorific is not used, and we have >-a
couple Nobel laureates.

Ian,

 know what you mean.  I have not spent any time at your facility but have at
major universities that have sposored projects at places like the University
of Chicago, Oak Ridge, Fermi and Argonne national labs.  Most people have a
nerd stigma when thry think about physicists, but as a group, physicists are
some of the more humble and nice group of people who tend to have a great
love for their work.  I once in a while have thought about getting back into
the nuke work but would then be limited on where I can live.  I am quite
happy with being the "country DBA".

Dave

-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 1:22 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Big Brain:
There are about 1200 permanent employees here.  You can't spit without
hitting  someone with a physics doctorate; we have so many that the "Doctor"
honorific is not used, and we have a couple Nobel laureates.  I doubt any of
them knows their IQ.  If they did they wouldn't boast about it.

Did you really talk to that street sweeper?  I've heard that story several
times, and always thought it was apocryphal.  To hear from the one who
actually did is astounding.


You are a prolific poster and a very knowledgeable DBA.  Your posts have
doubtless helped  a great many people.   We suspect you are  very good.  You
don't have to tell us.


Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
[EMAIL PROTECTED]







-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 9:57 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I would be curious of HOW WELL he knows those things.
Anyone can learn most of everything out there, but to be able to do it and
do it well is another thing.

Also when you go so many directions like that, you never work on the same
thing for long, which means you need to be able to jump back into something
else VERY quickly or there is no sense learning it in the first place.

There is one thing as being good at many things, but when the sh%t really
hits the fan, you call someone that knows what their doing, not the jack of
all trades.

I being 26, I found myself becoming a jack of all trades, and I think I
still am.  I did not like that, so I picked up Oracle about 3.5 years ago
and decided I am going to take one thing, and be damn good at it.  I was a
good system admin and adapted very well.  But I did not get the luxery of
REALLY knowing everything about what I was using.  Although I generally can
figure things out extremely quick where it appears I know it.  "I!" was not
comfortable with my accomplishments, I wanted to know more and more.  I
could not do that doing what I was doing, broad generalization was not how I
wanted to be.

With an iq of 147, I think I can be considered a very quick learner.  I know
for a fact that 4 years ago when I was 22, I could not do all of what was
claimed in previous email by Mark (Oracle DBA, Sybase Admin, SQL Server DBA,
JAVA, HTML) and consider myself great at it.  Although you can be very
comfortable with them, comfort can be obtained in very short time frames.
True talent to play as an allstar takes years, no matter how smart you are
and what ya doing.

I once met a street sweeper who was going on to 50 years old, I asked him
why did he not try to find a better job.
His answer was "Because I am the best street sweeper there ever was."  After
saying that, I had a new found respect for him and was detirmined to seek
the same motivation in my life.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
Oracle DBA
Phone: (978) 322-5744
Fax:(707) 885-2275

Fuelspot
73 Princeton Street
North, Chelmsford 01863
 



-Original Message-
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:17 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


But Kevin, having all under his belt doesn't mean he's ever used it.  Maybe
we're not slackers afterall.

Ruth
- Original Message -
To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 10:15 AM


> WOW, now I feel like slacker:)
> KK
> - Original Message -
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:51 AM
>
>
> > Cheers Lee!
> >
> > Out o

RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Rachel Carmichael]

oops -- capability to learn


>From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:39:27 -0800
>
>IQ from what I understand is COMPLETELY related to how fast you learn.
>
>IQ is your ability to learn, nothing to do with how "Smart" you are.
>
>Smart is how much you know, nothing to do with how you learn.
>
>"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
>when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."
>
>Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
>Oracle DBA
>Phone: (978) 322-5744
>Fax:(707) 885-2275
>
>Fuelspot
>73 Princeton Street
>North, Chelmsford 01863
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:06 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>since when did IQ have any relation to how fast you learn?
>
>some of the most brilliant people I know are slow thinkers, who take time 
>to
>
>process what they are learning and take even more time to make sure that
>what they are saying is accurate before they speak.
>
>
> >From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
> >Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:56:32 -0800
> >
> >I would be curious of HOW WELL he knows those things.
> >Anyone can learn most of everything out there, but to be able to do it
> >and do it well is another thing.
> >
> >Also when you go so many directions like that, you never work on the
> >same thing for long, which means you need to be able to jump back into
> >something else VERY quickly or there is no sense learning it in the
> >first place.
> >
> >There is one thing as being good at many things, but when the sh%t
> >really hits the fan, you call someone that knows what their doing, not
> >the jack of all trades.
> >
> >I being 26, I found myself becoming a jack of all trades, and I think I
> >still am.  I did not like that, so I picked up Oracle about 3.5 years
> >ago and decided I am going to take one thing, and be damn good at it.
> >I was a good system admin and adapted very well.  But I did not get the
> >luxery of REALLY knowing everything about what I was using.  Although I
> >generally can figure things out extremely quick where it appears I know
> >it.  "I!" was not comfortable with my accomplishments, I wanted to know
> >more and more.  I could not do that doing what I was doing, broad
> >generalization was not how I wanted to be.
> >
> >With an iq of 147, I think I can be considered a very quick learner.  I
> >know
> >for a fact that 4 years ago when I was 22, I could not do all of what was
> >claimed in previous email by Mark (Oracle DBA, Sybase Admin, SQL Server
> >DBA,
> >JAVA, HTML) and consider myself great at it.  Although you can be very
> >comfortable with them, comfort can be obtained in very short time frames.
> >True talent to play as an allstar takes years, no matter how smart you 
>are
> >and what ya doing.
> >
> >I once met a street sweeper who was going on to 50 years old, I asked
> >him why did he not try to find a better job. His answer was "Because I
> >am the best street sweeper there ever was."
> >After
> >saying that, I had a new found respect for him and was detirmined to seek
> >the same motivation in my life.
> >
> >"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that
> >way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their
> >shoes."
> >
> >Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
> >Oracle DBA
> >Phone: (978) 322-5744
> >Fax:(707) 885-2275
> >
> >Fuelspot
> >73 Princeton Street
> >North, Chelmsford 01863
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:17 AM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >But Kevin, having all under his belt doesn't mean he's ever used it.
> >Maybe we're not slackers afterall.
> >
> >Ruth
> >- Original Message -
> >To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 10:15 AM
> >
> >
> > > WOW, now I feel like slacker:)
> > > KK
> > > - Original Message -
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:51 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > > Cheers Lee!
> > > >
> > > > Out of curiosity how old did you think I was? I was actually
> > > > turned down
> > > for
> > > > cigarettes a few months back!! I couldn't believe it!! I'm 22 BTW
> > > > (only
> >6
> > > > years above the legal limit!).
> > > >
> > > > Already got Oracle Admin, SQLServer admin, HTML & JAVA programming
> > > > under
> > > my
> > > > belt - with a little Sybase ASE around the edges and currently
> > > > moving in
> > > to
> > > > the DB2 world!! Not bad for 4 years of intensive reading a
> > > > playing.

Re: OT -- the volume of job postings is way down

[Ruth Gramolini]

Why do some of you insist on sending messages in tiny print.  I have a
headache without trying to read it, so I hit the delete key before I even
find out that it's something I want to know or know about and could answer.

Old age is a bitch...
Ruth
- Original Message -
To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 3:32 PM


ok so who downloaded the war dialer after that movie and "surfed" for modems
:)

i did in NY

joe



>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/03/01 03:00PM >>>
I agree with this. We need some more retro geekiness. We should try to be
more like that programmer in the movie War Games that had to be told when he
was being rude and insensitive.

Mike


>From: "Kevin Kostyszyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: OT -- the volume of job postings is way down
>Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:26:32 -0800
>
>You know the other problem is that "geek" tools are becoming more and more
>cool!!  Palm Pilots and cell phones and such, everyone wants to play with
>these things.  I agree, full on geekness is the only solution!
>KK
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:52 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>The weight in ounces of the Sunday San Jose Mercury News Classifieds is a
>valid measure of economic activity. At one point it was around 24 pages for
>IT jobs but it recently has been down to 1-2 pages.
>
>A few years ago, despite the positive outlook for careers in computer
>science, students majoring in computer science was down because of the geek
>stigma. The result was a shortage in IT workers. Then came the Internet
>bubble and students began jumping onto the computer science bandwagon.
>So...
>to ensure demand for our services we should discourage student enrollment
>in
>the computer sciences by playing up the geek, propeller-head thing. :-)
>
>Got pocket protector?
>Steve Orr
>
>
>-Original Message-
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 9:51 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>Another sign of the times is that ITI is closing its US schools.
>  For those who don't know - it is a computer training school. They started
>years
>ago as a school in Atlantic Canada offering a 10 month course. Later they
>expanded to few Canadian and US cities. Last year they advertised on TV and
>radio about 400,000 unfilled positions in e-commerce etc. and
>offered-commerce
>training. Yesterday I have heard that they are scaling back...
>
>Witold
>
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RE: completely off-topic question...

[Rachel Carmichael]

Jay,

That's okay -- I'll get my mom to talk to your aunt to have her talk to your 
mom... they'll make you talk to me :)

Besides, I agree with you about Asimov -- that should count for something

Rachel


>From: "Miller, Jay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: completely off-topic question...
>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:50:39 -0800
>
>Just for the record, LeGuin's novel is entitled "The Dispossessed".  But I
>agree that it's a great book.
>
>Just reread Asimov's "The Gods Themselves" two weeks ago.  My favorite of
>his books, I stopped reading them when he started combining them into one
>mish mash of a future history.
>
>Whoever said Zelazny was one of their favorites, full agreement here.  Lord
>of Light is probably my all time favorite sf work.
>
>Another current author worth checking out is Lois McMaster Bujold.  She
>rights very fast moving, *very* readable sf novels (the whole Vorkosigan
>series, I'd recommend reading them in order) and has one excellent fantasy:
>The Spirit Ring.
>
>For current fantasy, I really like Stephen Brust, though he can be uneven.
>Still, if you're a fan of the The Three Musketeers then his book The 
>Phoenix
>Guards is absolutely hilarious.
>
>And Rachel:  I'm afraid I can't speak to you any more now that I know you
>don't like Tolkien :).
>
>Jay Miller
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 6:17 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rachel Carmichael [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ]
> >
> > I prefer Science Fantasy to Science Fiction (Marion Zimmer
> > Bradley, Anne
> > McCaffrey)
>
>
>I'm the same way. I don't keep up with all the new authors, but someone
>needs to mention Larry Niven (his "known space" series is the one that
>taught me the acronym "tanstaafl") and Ursula K. LeGuin ("The Unpossessed"
>is one of my favourite books of all time; unfortunately she wasn't very
>prolific).
>
>And of course an obeisance to Isaac Asimov. I can honestly say I think I've
>read all his science-fiction novels and short stories. H. G. Wells and 
>Jules
>Verne should not be forgotten either.
>
>Amongst the more recent authors I've encountered, I always recommend C. J.
>Cherryh (try "Downbelow Station" and "Cyteen") and Kim Stanley Robinson
>("Red Mars", "Green Mars", "Blue Mars" - an excellent description of what
>problems a new society might run into on Mars)
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RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[JOE TESTA]

Your delete didnt help my message count, was it supposed 
to?
 
joe
 
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/06/01 03:04PM 
>>>I decided to delete most of the messages to make this list 
shorter.Was any one born with  "Smart/Einstein" ability without 
learning?-Original Message-Sent: Monday, August 06, 
2001 11:39 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LIQ from 
what I understand is COMPLETELY related to how fast you learn.IQ is your 
ability to learn, nothing to do with how "Smart" you are.Smart is how 
much you know, nothing to do with how you learn."Do not criticize 
someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that waywhen you criticize 
them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."Christopher R. 
Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNAOracle DBAPhone: (978) 
322-5744Fax:    (707) 885-2275Fuelspot73 
Princeton StreetNorth, Chelmsford 01863-Original 
Message-Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:06 PMTo: Multiple recipients 
of list ORACLE-Lsince when did IQ have any relation to how fast you 
learn?some of the most brilliant people I know are slow thinkers, who 
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RE: ORA-00600 on Production DB - Need advice

[Wong, Bing]

This may not be related to your problem.  My shop had problem with 8.1.7,
HP-UX 11.0  - 32 bit.  We encountered memory leak bug.  Oracle knew about it
and had not had a patch yet, I think.  So we disable the db handle caching.



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Mondays, gotta love em, they make Fridays worth the wait.  I've got a
production database (8.1.7, HP-UX 11.0 - 64 bit) that started throwing an
ora-600 when users try to log in.  I've created a TAR (3 hours ago), but
haven't gotten any response.  Here's the error:

ERROR:
ORA-00600: internal error code, arguments: [kzckini: nzdsi_i], [28750], [],
[],
[], [], [], [

Metalink has a couple of messages stating that this is an OS problem
related to the ulimit size, availability of virtual memory, and the ability
to create a pga.  Suggested remedy is to increase the ulimit.   My SA has
dismissed this as a cause.  I've knocked all the users off, but still can't
log in.  When I run ulimit I get the following:
 qe2n1: /u001/app/oracle/product/8.1.7/dbs>>ulimit
 4194303

Any suggestions?

David A. Barbour
Oracle DBA, OCP
AISD
512-414-1002

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Re: ORA-00600 on Production DB - Need advice

[Ruth Gramolini]

Try calling on your tar. That is what they have told me to do.  Just waiting
doesn't help!

Ruth
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>
> Mondays, gotta love em, they make Fridays worth the wait.  I've got a
> production database (8.1.7, HP-UX 11.0 - 64 bit) that started throwing an
> ora-600 when users try to log in.  I've created a TAR (3 hours ago), but
> haven't gotten any response.  Here's the error:
>
> ERROR:
> ORA-00600: internal error code, arguments: [kzckini: nzdsi_i], [28750],
[],
> [],
> [], [], [], [
>
> Metalink has a couple of messages stating that this is an OS problem
> related to the ulimit size, availability of virtual memory, and the
ability
> to create a pga.  Suggested remedy is to increase the ulimit.   My SA has
> dismissed this as a cause.  I've knocked all the users off, but still
can't
> log in.  When I run ulimit I get the following:
>  qe2n1: /u001/app/oracle/product/8.1.7/dbs>>ulimit
>  4194303
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> David A. Barbour
> Oracle DBA, OCP
> AISD
> 512-414-1002
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OT: For those who got Code Red in the face

[dgoulet]

New worm targets same systems as Code Red

Security analysts warned that a new and potentially dangerous worm began
circulating over the weekend, targeting the same Windows-based servers as the
high-profile Code Red worm.

http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO62834_NLTAM%2C00.html
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RE: OT : Way OT

[Farnsworth, Dave]

>-you can tell we are approaching a full moon.  this list is getting a >-bit
nasty!

As my knuckles begin to grow hair...  :o)

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Wow!

you can tell we are approaching a full moon.  this list is getting a bit
nasty!

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RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Farnsworth, Dave]

>-we have so many that the "Doctor" honorific is not used, and we have >-a
couple Nobel laureates.

Ian,

 know what you mean.  I have not spent any time at your facility but have at
major universities that have sposored projects at places like the University
of Chicago, Oak Ridge, Fermi and Argonne national labs.  Most people have a
nerd stigma when thry think about physicists, but as a group, physicists are
some of the more humble and nice group of people who tend to have a great
love for their work.  I once in a while have thought about getting back into
the nuke work but would then be limited on where I can live.  I am quite
happy with being the "country DBA".

Dave

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Big Brain:
There are about 1200 permanent employees here.  You can't spit without
hitting  someone with a physics doctorate; we have so many that the "Doctor"
honorific is not used, and we have a couple Nobel laureates.  I doubt any of
them knows their IQ.  If they did they wouldn't boast about it.

Did you really talk to that street sweeper?  I've heard that story several
times, and always thought it was apocryphal.  To hear from the one who
actually did is astounding.


You are a prolific poster and a very knowledgeable DBA.  Your posts have
doubtless helped  a great many people.   We suspect you are  very good.  You
don't have to tell us.


Ian MacGregor
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I would be curious of HOW WELL he knows those things.
Anyone can learn most of everything out there, but to be able to do it and
do it well is another thing.

Also when you go so many directions like that, you never work on the same
thing for long, which means you need to be able to jump back into something
else VERY quickly or there is no sense learning it in the first place.

There is one thing as being good at many things, but when the sh%t really
hits the fan, you call someone that knows what their doing, not the jack of
all trades.

I being 26, I found myself becoming a jack of all trades, and I think I
still am.  I did not like that, so I picked up Oracle about 3.5 years ago
and decided I am going to take one thing, and be damn good at it.  I was a
good system admin and adapted very well.  But I did not get the luxery of
REALLY knowing everything about what I was using.  Although I generally can
figure things out extremely quick where it appears I know it.  "I!" was not
comfortable with my accomplishments, I wanted to know more and more.  I
could not do that doing what I was doing, broad generalization was not how I
wanted to be.

With an iq of 147, I think I can be considered a very quick learner.  I know
for a fact that 4 years ago when I was 22, I could not do all of what was
claimed in previous email by Mark (Oracle DBA, Sybase Admin, SQL Server DBA,
JAVA, HTML) and consider myself great at it.  Although you can be very
comfortable with them, comfort can be obtained in very short time frames.
True talent to play as an allstar takes years, no matter how smart you are
and what ya doing.

I once met a street sweeper who was going on to 50 years old, I asked him
why did he not try to find a better job.
His answer was "Because I am the best street sweeper there ever was."  After
saying that, I had a new found respect for him and was detirmined to seek
the same motivation in my life.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

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But Kevin, having all under his belt doesn't mean he's ever used it.  Maybe
we're not slackers afterall.

Ruth
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> WOW, now I feel like slacker:)
> KK
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>
>
> > Cheers Lee!
> >
> > Out of curiosity how old did you think I was? I was actually turned 
> > down
> for
> > cigarettes a few months back!! I couldn't believe it!! I'm 22 BTW 
> > (only
6
> > years above the legal limit!).
> >
> > Already got Oracle Admin, SQLServer admin, HTML & JAVA programming 
> > under
> my
> > belt - with a little Sybase ASE around the edges and currently 
> > moving in
> to
> > the DB2 world!! Not bad for 4 years of intensive reading a playing..
> >
> > My next step is to sink my teeth in to UNIX..
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > Lee - lerobe
> > Sent: Friday, August 03, 20

RE: completely off-topic question...

[Rachel Carmichael]

Tom,

yes I pick nits. Words have power. I also do not criticize people who hold 
different opinions than mine... I figure they are allowed to be misguided :)

Rachel


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>Rachel,
>
>Alright, alright... it *probably* has not been translated into the various
>dialects of China.  (I would not be surprised if it has, however).
>
>Just because you don't like it, does not diminish its impact on the 
>literary
>world!  :)
>
>My apologies to Jared if I mis-read something.
>
>
>   NitPicker!
>
>
>Tom Mercadante
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>
>
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>
>
> >And Jared, you are allowed to not like something that the majority of the
> >world thinks is pretty spectacular.  Free country!  :)
> >
> >Tom Mercadante
> >Oracle Certified Professional
> >
>
>
>"majority of the world" laying it on pretty thick there Tom. I 
>seriously
>
>doubt that most of the people in the world have heard of the Lord of the
>Rings, let alone read it... you really think most of the non-english
>speaking Chinese population, as an example, have read it?
>
>Let's keep the hyperbole down to a reasonable level, okay? :)
>
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RE: completely off-topic question...

[Rachel Carmichael]

the main bad "guy" in Willow was a woman... played by Sian Phillips as I 
recall.




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>
>I agree to an extent, but I figured frodo would look a little different, at
>least in my warped mind.  Gandalf on the other hand, well he is right on,
>but I would think everyone would have imagined him pretty much the same.  I
>can't wait to see these movies!!!
>   I like movies like that, there was a movie a couple of years back, Willow,
>it was all about magical powers and warriors and such, I LOVE that stuff!!!
>I just remember the one main bad guy was ssooo mean looking!!
>
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>
>
>I cannot remember the last time that I was excited about a movie being
>released.  It looks like they are doing one a year with the first being
>released later this year.  I checked out the web site and checked the
>actors.  From my memories of the books it appears that they did a good job
>of casting(at least as far as looks go).  They looked pretty much the way 
>my
>imagination made them.
>
>Dave
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>
>Good grief Dave, there are to be three of them, thefirst being the one 
>Kevin
>already mentioned. Real actors but I guess, a great deal of computer
>animation as well. I cannot wait myself.
>
>Check out http://www.lordoftherings.net/
>
>Cheers
>
>Lee
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>
>They are making a movie on Lord of The Rings?  Is it going to be an 
>animated
>one?  I did not care for the other animated movie.  Another good read is by
>Steven R Donaldson called "The Chronicals of Thomas Covenant".  I have read
>these two series numerous times.
>
>Dave
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>
>Wow, how could you not like the Lord of the Rings!!!  I can't wait till 
>this
>December when they release the first movie...:)
>KK
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>
>On Saturday 04 August 2001 16:25, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> >
> > 
> >
> > I am NOT a fan of Tolkein. I have read the Lord of the Rings trilogy and
> > The Hobbit, seen the Bakshi version of the trilogy and the cartoon 
>version
> > of The Hobbit. Sorry, he just doesn't do it for me
> >
> > 
>
>Oh my,  it's a good thing this is via email.
>
>Just wait till the next IOUG and I'll slip my ring on...
>
>Jared
>
> >
> > Rachel
> >
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> > >Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 10:46:04 -0800
> > >
> > >Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> > > > oh, my library is relatively small -- when you add in all technical,
> > > > fiction, science fiction, mystery, craft books, throw in the 
>knitting
> > > > magazines I still only have about 7 bookcases.
> > >
> > >only 7?;-)  sadly my collection was ... um... dispatched by a
> > >vindictive first wife so i have nothing left.:-(
> > >
> > >i miss many of them including "stranger in a strange land" and a boxed
> > >set of hobbit and lord of the rings.  *sigh*
> > >
> > >i guess if i had the time i should start hunting in the second hand 
>book
> > >shops.
> > >
> > >maybe later today if i get out of work in time.
> > >
> > >having "fun" playing with 9iAS and portal.;-)
> > >
> > >
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RE: Missing Table

[Miller, Jay]

I had a similar really weird problem on a pl/sql program - it compiled
successfully on 8.1.6 but failed on 8.0.4 saying the table didn't exist.
After trying a bunch of stuff I qualified the table name with the schema
(i.e., schema.table_name instead of table_name). This shouldn't have made
any difference since I was logged in as the table owner but the program
compiled!  I have a note on my calendar to remove the schema name from the
program after my upgrade...

Try specifying the the schema owner in the sql loader script and see if it
makes a difference.

Jay Miller

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The way they log in, they are the owner of the tables.
 
It gets flakier.  I have since found out that three of our incrementally
updated clients (reporting environment) have similar problems with tables.
One has only one table, different from these two... a second has one table
(witness_info) and this client with two tables.  The programs accessing
these tables is the same program, with userid and password furnished by a
driver file with tablespace into, userid password and instance.  The three
span two different instance, three different schemas.
 
 

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April:
 
Does the user this programs logs in as explicitly have SELECT rights against
the table? If the rights are acquired through roles only, maybe they need to
be explicitly granted.
 
Are you sure it's selecting the table, if it's not in that user's schema and
not accessible via synonym, with a fully qualified owner.table_name?
 
Just my ideas?
 
Jon Walthour

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Okay guys, this is stumping me and one of our programmers.
 
We have tables witness_info and agent_info in a schema on one of our big
instances.  We run sql*loader loads every  night driven by a C program that
calls gathers up the userid, password and instance name of the given schema
from a flat file, and a parameter file from a different directory on our AIX
box and the control file from yet another directory.  We load a dozen tables
just fine, hit the agent_info table and sql*loader can't find it.  The table
before in the parameter file it finds, agent_info Table not found.  Goes on
to load another 4 or 5 tables (I can see it in the nohup file) then...
witness_info... table not found.  Then it continues with the load
successfully.  The table earlier in the processing had a batch delete run
against it successfully.  I can insert with SQLplus successfully, I can desc
the table, I can delete the row I inserted successfully,  I can load the
data successfully with command line sql loader.  
 
Any ideas on what I'm missing in this flaky scenario??
 
April




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Okay guys, this is stumping me and one of our programmers.
 
We have tables witness_info and agent_info in a schema on one of our big
instances.  We run sql*loader loads every  night driven by a C program that
calls gathers up the userid, password and instance name of the given schema
from a flat file, and a parameter file from a different directory on our AIX
box and the control file from yet another directory.  We load a dozen tables
just fine, hit the agent_info table and sql*loader can't find it.  The table
before in the parameter file it finds, agent_info Table not found.  Goes on
to load another 4 or 5 tables (I can see it in the nohup file) then...
witness_info... table not found.  Then it continues with the load
successfully.  The table earlier in the processing had a batch delete run
against it successfully.  I can insert with SQLplus successfully, I can desc
the table, I can delete the row I inserted successfully,  I can load the
data successfully with command line sql loader.  
 
Any ideas on what I'm missing in this flaky scenario??
 
April





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RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Wong, Bing]

I decided to delete most of the messages to make this list shorter.

Was any one born with  "Smart/Einstein" ability without learning?



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IQ from what I understand is COMPLETELY related to how fast you learn.

IQ is your ability to learn, nothing to do with how "Smart" you are.

Smart is how much you know, nothing to do with how you learn.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
Oracle DBA
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since when did IQ have any relation to how fast you learn?

some of the most brilliant people I know are slow thinkers, who take time to

process what they are learning and take even more time to make sure that 
what they are saying is accurate before they speak.

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RE: OT : Way OT

[Kevin Kostyszyn]

Wow!!! You're correct sir!!:)
KK

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Wow!

you can tell we are approaching a full moon.  this list is getting a bit
nasty!

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RE: ORA-00600 on Production DB - Need advice

[Deshpande, Kirti]

David,
The ulimit looks okay to me. The value shown is equivalent to 'unlimited'. 
While you are waiting for the OWS, try getting your alert.log analyzed for
ORA-600 at
http://www.unal-bilisim.com/products/iorabugfinder/iorabugfinder.html. It
may find something that you may not have come across. Are there any other
trace files that may tell you more? 

Regards,

- Kirti Deshpande 
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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> To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject:  ORA-00600 on Production DB - Need advice
> 
> 
> Mondays, gotta love em, they make Fridays worth the wait.  I've got a
> production database (8.1.7, HP-UX 11.0 - 64 bit) that started throwing an
> ora-600 when users try to log in.  I've created a TAR (3 hours ago), but
> haven't gotten any response.  Here's the error:
> 
> ERROR:
> ORA-00600: internal error code, arguments: [kzckini: nzdsi_i], [28750],
> [],
> [],
> [], [], [], [
> 
> Metalink has a couple of messages stating that this is an OS problem
> related to the ulimit size, availability of virtual memory, and the
> ability
> to create a pga.  Suggested remedy is to increase the ulimit.   My SA has
> dismissed this as a cause.  I've knocked all the users off, but still
> can't
> log in.  When I run ulimit I get the following:
>  qe2n1: /u001/app/oracle/product/8.1.7/dbs>>ulimit
>  4194303
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> David A. Barbour
> Oracle DBA, OCP
> AISD
> 512-414-1002
> 
> 
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RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Jacques Kilchoer]

Title: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?





> -Original Message-
> From: MacGregor, Ian A. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> There are about 1200 permanent employees here.  You can't 
> spit without hitting  someone with a physics doctorate


Try aiming downwards at a spittoon or a trash can instead of sending your projectiles in a horizontal trajectory.

RE: completely off-topic question...

[Miller, Jay]

Just for the record, LeGuin's novel is entitled "The Dispossessed".  But I
agree that it's a great book.
 
Just reread Asimov's "The Gods Themselves" two weeks ago.  My favorite of
his books, I stopped reading them when he started combining them into one
mish mash of a future history.
 
Whoever said Zelazny was one of their favorites, full agreement here.  Lord
of Light is probably my all time favorite sf work.
 
Another current author worth checking out is Lois McMaster Bujold.  She
rights very fast moving, *very* readable sf novels (the whole Vorkosigan
series, I'd recommend reading them in order) and has one excellent fantasy:
The Spirit Ring.
 
For current fantasy, I really like Stephen Brust, though he can be uneven.
Still, if you're a fan of the The Three Musketeers then his book The Phoenix
Guards is absolutely hilarious.
 
And Rachel:  I'm afraid I can't speak to you any more now that I know you
don't like Tolkien :).
 
Jay Miller

-Original Message-
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 6:17 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



> -Original Message- 
> From: Rachel Carmichael [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ] 
> 
> I prefer Science Fantasy to Science Fiction (Marion Zimmer 
> Bradley, Anne 
> McCaffrey) 


I'm the same way. I don't keep up with all the new authors, but someone
needs to mention Larry Niven (his "known space" series is the one that
taught me the acronym "tanstaafl") and Ursula K. LeGuin ("The Unpossessed"
is one of my favourite books of all time; unfortunately she wasn't very
prolific).

And of course an obeisance to Isaac Asimov. I can honestly say I think I've
read all his science-fiction novels and short stories. H. G. Wells and Jules
Verne should not be forgotten either.

Amongst the more recent authors I've encountered, I always recommend C. J.
Cherryh (try "Downbelow Station" and "Cyteen") and Kim Stanley Robinson
("Red Mars", "Green Mars", "Blue Mars" - an excellent description of what
problems a new society might run into on Mars)

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RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Christopher Spence]

IQ from what I understand is COMPLETELY related to how fast you learn.

IQ is your ability to learn, nothing to do with how "Smart" you are.

Smart is how much you know, nothing to do with how you learn.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
Oracle DBA
Phone: (978) 322-5744
Fax:(707) 885-2275

Fuelspot
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North, Chelmsford 01863
 



-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:06 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


since when did IQ have any relation to how fast you learn?

some of the most brilliant people I know are slow thinkers, who take time to

process what they are learning and take even more time to make sure that 
what they are saying is accurate before they speak.


>From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:56:32 -0800
>
>I would be curious of HOW WELL he knows those things.
>Anyone can learn most of everything out there, but to be able to do it 
>and do it well is another thing.
>
>Also when you go so many directions like that, you never work on the 
>same thing for long, which means you need to be able to jump back into 
>something else VERY quickly or there is no sense learning it in the 
>first place.
>
>There is one thing as being good at many things, but when the sh%t 
>really hits the fan, you call someone that knows what their doing, not 
>the jack of all trades.
>
>I being 26, I found myself becoming a jack of all trades, and I think I 
>still am.  I did not like that, so I picked up Oracle about 3.5 years 
>ago and decided I am going to take one thing, and be damn good at it.  
>I was a good system admin and adapted very well.  But I did not get the 
>luxery of REALLY knowing everything about what I was using.  Although I 
>generally can figure things out extremely quick where it appears I know 
>it.  "I!" was not comfortable with my accomplishments, I wanted to know 
>more and more.  I could not do that doing what I was doing, broad 
>generalization was not how I wanted to be.
>
>With an iq of 147, I think I can be considered a very quick learner.  I
>know
>for a fact that 4 years ago when I was 22, I could not do all of what was
>claimed in previous email by Mark (Oracle DBA, Sybase Admin, SQL Server 
>DBA,
>JAVA, HTML) and consider myself great at it.  Although you can be very
>comfortable with them, comfort can be obtained in very short time frames.
>True talent to play as an allstar takes years, no matter how smart you are
>and what ya doing.
>
>I once met a street sweeper who was going on to 50 years old, I asked 
>him why did he not try to find a better job. His answer was "Because I 
>am the best street sweeper there ever was."
>After
>saying that, I had a new found respect for him and was detirmined to seek
>the same motivation in my life.
>
>"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that 
>way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their 
>shoes."
>
>Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
>Oracle DBA
>Phone: (978) 322-5744
>Fax:(707) 885-2275
>
>Fuelspot
>73 Princeton Street
>North, Chelmsford 01863
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:17 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>But Kevin, having all under his belt doesn't mean he's ever used it.  
>Maybe we're not slackers afterall.
>
>Ruth
>- Original Message -
>To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 10:15 AM
>
>
> > WOW, now I feel like slacker:)
> > KK
> > - Original Message -
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:51 AM
> >
> >
> > > Cheers Lee!
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity how old did you think I was? I was actually 
> > > turned down
> > for
> > > cigarettes a few months back!! I couldn't believe it!! I'm 22 BTW 
> > > (only
>6
> > > years above the legal limit!).
> > >
> > > Already got Oracle Admin, SQLServer admin, HTML & JAVA programming 
> > > under
> > my
> > > belt - with a little Sybase ASE around the edges and currently 
> > > moving in
> > to
> > > the DB2 world!! Not bad for 4 years of intensive reading a 
> > > playing..
> > >
> > > My next step is to sink my teeth in to UNIX..
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > Lee - lerobe
> > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:01
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > After having firstly talking to Mark at length on the phone while
> > evaluating
> > > some of his products, I was extremely surprised to see exactly how 
> > > young
> > he
> > > actually was (or at least looked !!)when I met him at the Oracle 
> > > 9i
>laun

OT : Way OT

[Mercadante, Thomas F]

Wow!

you can tell we are approaching a full moon.  this list is getting a bit
nasty!

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RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Christopher Spence]

It was figurative to prove my point.

I as well have heard the street sweeper story, and reiterated it merely to
make a point.
I think my (not sarcastic, but slightly off look at it) was not taken as I
meant it.
I was speaking (sort of) sarcastic.

I sometimes think so off the wall that my analogies are taking completely
wrong.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
Oracle DBA
Phone: (978) 322-5744
Fax:(707) 885-2275

Fuelspot
73 Princeton Street
North, Chelmsford 01863
 



-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:22 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Big Brain:
There are about 1200 permanent employees here.  You can't spit without
hitting  someone with a physics doctorate; we have so many that the "Doctor"
honorific is not used, and we have a couple Nobel laureates.  I doubt any of
them knows their IQ.  If they did they wouldn't boast about it.

Did you really talk to that street sweeper?  I've heard that story several
times, and always thought it was apocryphal.  To hear from the one who
actually did is astounding.


You are a prolific poster and a very knowledgeable DBA.  Your posts have
doubtless helped  a great many people.   We suspect you are  very good.  You
don't have to tell us.


Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
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-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 9:57 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I would be curious of HOW WELL he knows those things.
Anyone can learn most of everything out there, but to be able to do it and
do it well is another thing.

Also when you go so many directions like that, you never work on the same
thing for long, which means you need to be able to jump back into something
else VERY quickly or there is no sense learning it in the first place.

There is one thing as being good at many things, but when the sh%t really
hits the fan, you call someone that knows what their doing, not the jack of
all trades.

I being 26, I found myself becoming a jack of all trades, and I think I
still am.  I did not like that, so I picked up Oracle about 3.5 years ago
and decided I am going to take one thing, and be damn good at it.  I was a
good system admin and adapted very well.  But I did not get the luxery of
REALLY knowing everything about what I was using.  Although I generally can
figure things out extremely quick where it appears I know it.  "I!" was not
comfortable with my accomplishments, I wanted to know more and more.  I
could not do that doing what I was doing, broad generalization was not how I
wanted to be.

With an iq of 147, I think I can be considered a very quick learner.  I know
for a fact that 4 years ago when I was 22, I could not do all of what was
claimed in previous email by Mark (Oracle DBA, Sybase Admin, SQL Server DBA,
JAVA, HTML) and consider myself great at it.  Although you can be very
comfortable with them, comfort can be obtained in very short time frames.
True talent to play as an allstar takes years, no matter how smart you are
and what ya doing.

I once met a street sweeper who was going on to 50 years old, I asked him
why did he not try to find a better job. His answer was "Because I am the
best street sweeper there ever was."  After saying that, I had a new found
respect for him and was detirmined to seek the same motivation in my life.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
Oracle DBA
Phone: (978) 322-5744
Fax:(707) 885-2275

Fuelspot
73 Princeton Street
North, Chelmsford 01863
 



-Original Message-
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:17 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


But Kevin, having all under his belt doesn't mean he's ever used it.  Maybe
we're not slackers afterall.

Ruth
- Original Message -
To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 10:15 AM


> WOW, now I feel like slacker:)
> KK
> - Original Message -
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:51 AM
>
>
> > Cheers Lee!
> >
> > Out of curiosity how old did you think I was? I was actually turned
> > down
> for
> > cigarettes a few months back!! I couldn't believe it!! I'm 22 BTW
> > (only
6
> > years above the legal limit!).
> >
> > Already got Oracle Admin, SQLServer admin, HTML & JAVA programming
> > under
> my
> > belt - with a little Sybase ASE around the edges and currently
> > moving in
> to
> > the DB2 world!! Not bad for 4 years of intensive reading a playing..
> >
> > My next step is to sink my teeth in to UNIX..
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > Lee - lerobe
> > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:01
> > To: Multiple recipients of li

RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Kevin Kostyszyn]

Doesn't hurt to have a high IQ though:)

-Original Message-
Carmichael
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:06 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


since when did IQ have any relation to how fast you learn?

some of the most brilliant people I know are slow thinkers, who take time to
process what they are learning and take even more time to make sure that
what they are saying is accurate before they speak.


>From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:56:32 -0800
>
>I would be curious of HOW WELL he knows those things.
>Anyone can learn most of everything out there, but to be able to do it and
>do it well is another thing.
>
>Also when you go so many directions like that, you never work on the same
>thing for long, which means you need to be able to jump back into something
>else VERY quickly or there is no sense learning it in the first place.
>
>There is one thing as being good at many things, but when the sh%t really
>hits the fan, you call someone that knows what their doing, not the jack of
>all trades.
>
>I being 26, I found myself becoming a jack of all trades, and I think I
>still am.  I did not like that, so I picked up Oracle about 3.5 years ago
>and decided I am going to take one thing, and be damn good at it.  I was a
>good system admin and adapted very well.  But I did not get the luxery of
>REALLY knowing everything about what I was using.  Although I generally can
>figure things out extremely quick where it appears I know it.  "I!" was not
>comfortable with my accomplishments, I wanted to know more and more.  I
>could not do that doing what I was doing, broad generalization was not how
>I
>wanted to be.
>
>With an iq of 147, I think I can be considered a very quick learner.  I
>know
>for a fact that 4 years ago when I was 22, I could not do all of what was
>claimed in previous email by Mark (Oracle DBA, Sybase Admin, SQL Server
>DBA,
>JAVA, HTML) and consider myself great at it.  Although you can be very
>comfortable with them, comfort can be obtained in very short time frames.
>True talent to play as an allstar takes years, no matter how smart you are
>and what ya doing.
>
>I once met a street sweeper who was going on to 50 years old, I asked him
>why did he not try to find a better job.
>His answer was "Because I am the best street sweeper there ever was."
>After
>saying that, I had a new found respect for him and was detirmined to seek
>the same motivation in my life.
>
>"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
>when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."
>
>Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
>Oracle DBA
>Phone: (978) 322-5744
>Fax:(707) 885-2275
>
>Fuelspot
>73 Princeton Street
>North, Chelmsford 01863
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:17 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>But Kevin, having all under his belt doesn't mean he's ever used it.  Maybe
>we're not slackers afterall.
>
>Ruth
>- Original Message -
>To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 10:15 AM
>
>
> > WOW, now I feel like slacker:)
> > KK
> > - Original Message -
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:51 AM
> >
> >
> > > Cheers Lee!
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity how old did you think I was? I was actually turned
> > > down
> > for
> > > cigarettes a few months back!! I couldn't believe it!! I'm 22 BTW
> > > (only
>6
> > > years above the legal limit!).
> > >
> > > Already got Oracle Admin, SQLServer admin, HTML & JAVA programming
> > > under
> > my
> > > belt - with a little Sybase ASE around the edges and currently
> > > moving in
> > to
> > > the DB2 world!! Not bad for 4 years of intensive reading a playing..
> > >
> > > My next step is to sink my teeth in to UNIX..
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > Lee - lerobe
> > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:01
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > After having firstly talking to Mark at length on the phone while
> > evaluating
> > > some of his products, I was extremely surprised to see exactly how
> > > young
> > he
> > > actually was (or at least looked !!)when I met him at the Oracle 9i
>launch
> > > at Oracle UK. As for me, a late starter in 1990 on Cobol after
> > > dropping
> > out
> > > of studying law in 81, to join a band (dad wouldn't speak to me for
> > > a
> > couple
> > > of months but later became one of our biggest fans !!)and play for
> > > about
> > 7-8
> > > years, reasonably successful but no Gold Disks :-). Went on to use
>Ingres,
> > > Unix and C (development and DBA/S.A, then Oracle and Informix(DBA).
> > > Now purely on Oracle as a DBA and loving every minute of it -
>

RE: completely off-topic question...

[Kevin Kostyszyn]

They're just using short actors.

-Original Message-
Randy
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 1:26 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


How are they handling the fact that Hobbits and dwarfs are only 3-4 feet
tall?  Are the using children with lots of makeup?  

> -Original Message-
> From: Farnsworth, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 12:57 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: completely off-topic question...
> 
> 
> I cannot remember the last time that I was excited about a movie being
> released.  It looks like they are doing one a year with the 
> first being
> released later this year.  I checked out the web site and checked the
> actors.  From my memories of the books it appears that they 
> did a good job
> of casting(at least as far as looks go).  They looked pretty 
> much the way my
> imagination made them.
> 
> Dave
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:32 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> Good grief Dave, there are to be three of them, thefirst 
> being the one Kevin
> already mentioned. Real actors but I guess, a great deal of computer
> animation as well. I cannot wait myself.
> 
> Check out http://www.lordoftherings.net/
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Lee
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: 06 August 2001 16:46
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> They are making a movie on Lord of The Rings?  Is it going to 
> be an animated
> one?  I did not care for the other animated movie.  Another 
> good read is by
> Steven R Donaldson called "The Chronicals of Thomas 
> Covenant".  I have read
> these two series numerous times.
> 
> Dave
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:12 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> Wow, how could you not like the Lord of the Rings!!!  I can't 
> wait till this
> December when they release the first movie...:)
> KK
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 6:50 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> On Saturday 04 August 2001 16:25, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> >
> > 
> >
> > I am NOT a fan of Tolkein. I have read the Lord of the 
> Rings trilogy and
> > The Hobbit, seen the Bakshi version of the trilogy and the 
> cartoon version
> > of The Hobbit. Sorry, he just doesn't do it for me
> >
> > 
> 
> Oh my,  it's a good thing this is via email.
> 
> Just wait till the next IOUG and I'll slip my ring on...
> 
> Jared
> 
> >
> > Rachel
> >
> > From: "Thater, William" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: Re: completely off-topic question...
> > >Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 10:46:04 -0800
> > >
> > >Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> > > > oh, my library is relatively small -- when you add in 
> all technical,
> > > > fiction, science fiction, mystery, craft books, throw 
> in the knitting
> > > > magazines I still only have about 7 bookcases.
> > >
> > >only 7?;-)  sadly my collection was ... um... dispatched by a
> > >vindictive first wife so i have nothing left.:-(
> > >
> > >i miss many of them including "stranger in a strange land" 
> and a boxed
> > >set of hobbit and lord of the rings.  *sigh*
> > >
> > >i guess if i had the time i should start hunting in the 
> second hand book
> > >shops.
> > >
> > >maybe later today if i get out of work in time.
> > >
> > >having "fun" playing with 9iAS and portal.;-)
> > >
> > >
> > >--
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RE: Whatever became of "ORAC"

[Orr, Steve]

No, I was hoping someone else could give us a status report. ;-)

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Steve;
  Have you tried their program they have available on the site ???   Is it
any good ??

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Do anyone know whatever became of ORAC. It was an attempt to build an open
source web-based DBA tool in Perl but it doesn't look like much has
happened. Here's a link.

http://www.tux.org/orac-dba/news.html


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RE: completely off-topic question...

[Kevin Kostyszyn]

that and he was wearing platform shoes

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It is amazing what you can do with properly placed mirrors and camera
angles.

Look at the green mile, granted Mike (his real name, forget his stage name
in the movie) was HUGE, but they only made him look even bigger by always
filming on an upward angle when filming him, and always having smaller
people beside him.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

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How are they handling the fact that Hobbits and dwarfs are only 3-4 feet
tall?  Are the using children with lots of makeup?  

> -Original Message-
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> 
> 
> I cannot remember the last time that I was excited about a movie being 
> released.  It looks like they are doing one a year with the first 
> being released later this year.  I checked out the web site and 
> checked the actors.  From my memories of the books it appears that 
> they did a good job
> of casting(at least as far as looks go).  They looked pretty 
> much the way my
> imagination made them.
> 
> Dave
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> Good grief Dave, there are to be three of them, thefirst
> being the one Kevin
> already mentioned. Real actors but I guess, a great deal of computer
> animation as well. I cannot wait myself.
> 
> Check out http://www.lordoftherings.net/
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Lee
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: 06 August 2001 16:46
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> They are making a movie on Lord of The Rings?  Is it going to
> be an animated
> one?  I did not care for the other animated movie.  Another 
> good read is by
> Steven R Donaldson called "The Chronicals of Thomas 
> Covenant".  I have read
> these two series numerous times.
> 
> Dave
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:12 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> Wow, how could you not like the Lord of the Rings!!!  I can't
> wait till this
> December when they release the first movie...:)
> KK
> 
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> 
> 
> On Saturday 04 August 2001 16:25, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> >
> > 
> >
> > I am NOT a fan of Tolkein. I have read the Lord of the
> Rings trilogy and
> > The Hobbit, seen the Bakshi version of the trilogy and the
> cartoon version
> > of The Hobbit. Sorry, he just doesn't do it for me
> >
> > 
> 
> Oh my,  it's a good thing this is via email.
> 
> Just wait till the next IOUG and I'll slip my ring on...
> 
> Jared
> 
> >
> > Rachel
> >
> > From: "Thater, William" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
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> > >Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 10:46:04 -0800
> > >
> > >Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> > > > oh, my library is relatively small -- when you add in
> all technical,
> > > > fiction, science fiction, mystery, craft books, throw
> in the knitting
> > > > magazines I still only have about 7 bookcases.
> > >
> > >only 7?;-)  sadly my collection was ... um... dispatched by a 
> > >vindictive first wife so i have nothing left.:-(
> > >
> > >i miss many of them including "stranger in a strange land"
> and a boxed
> > >set of hobbit and lord of the rings.  *sigh*
> > >
> > >i guess if i had the time i should start hunting in the
> second hand book
> > >shops.
> > >
> > >maybe later today if i get out of work in time.
> > >
> > >having "fun" playing with 9iAS and portal.;-)
> > >
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RE: Applying Patchsets ? Learn This Parameter _SYSTEM_TRIG_ENABL

[Christopher Spence]

Much thanks for sharing this with us.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
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Last Thursday I attempted to take apply the 8.1.6.3 patchset on top of a
small 8.1.6.0 database.  I had done this many times before; the four hours I
alloted to backing up the system and applying the patch  were an hour more
than I needed.  The patch installed without incident, but when I ran
catalog.sql it hung.  I checked v$session_wait, but for some reason didn't
check the alert log which would have told me what was wrong.

Time was running out.  I called Oracle told them my problem.  Explained that
this was a downed production database, but the call screener made it
priority 2.  I called the analyst and kept on getting a message saying he
was either on the phone or simply gone.  I did not know the screener had
made it a priority 2 problem, and thought, "Perhaps he was on the phone
discussing the problem."  My  phone began to ring off the hook with people
asking, "Where's the database?"

I had backed up all the software as well as the database files.  I began the
restore saying to replace all the files.  However when the restore go to an
uneeded file, one of the .aud files in  rdbms/audit, it hung.  I needed to
resintall the software from CD.  The database base was recovered without
incident.  A few hours after it had been promised but unpatched.

What was the problem?  I use triggers on such system events as servererror
to send pages and record informatiuon in a log table.  These triggers can
interfere with the running of scripts such as catalog.ora.  The solution is
to set the initilization parameter  _SYSTEM_TRIG_ENABLED to false during an
upgrade.


My fun for the week was not over.  This weekend we moved a large number of
servers to a new UPS including all the Oracle servers.  When I attempted to
bring up the main database, a "cannot stat file  " message  was
received.  I called the sysadmin who had brought up the system.  He said the
file system was gone.  I explained that it was there when  the system was
shutdown the night before.  He asked for details  so that he could recreate
it.  Luckily a more senior sysadmin looked at the problem and found that the
raid configuration had a mismatch on which controller  was assigned to the
file system, straigtened that out, and the database came up without
incident.


Ian MacGregor
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Re:3rd Party Java and Oracle Triggers

[dgoulet]

ED,

I'll agree with you, not knowing exactly what that app is doing could create
all kinds of havoc.  Also, if the database as laid down by the vendor does not
have RI inside the DB doing so may cause the application to cease functioning. 
That is because (like PeopleSoft for instance) they enforce the RI inside the
application and may populate the child records before the parents.  This will
cause your RI triggers to fail.  What may be a better idea is to replicate the
desired tables from the third party db into your Oracle financials DB and then
do whatever populating of the Oracle financials is required.

Dick Goulet

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Author: Ed Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:   8/6/2001 10:05 AM

In the course of customizing one of our 3rd party apps that uses
Entity Beans to do multiple inserts to some tables, It has been 
decided we'd use triggers on the tables to do some RI logic and
insert essentially duplicate data into another database - Oracle
Financials interface, to be exact,
 
I've been opposed to this methodology, on the grounds that
nobody here can tell me exactly how this app is behaving 
in the first place. I've heard that some beans do stupid (sic) things like
insert a row, then update each column in the course of a single
transactional insert, thus requiring both insert and update triggers;
performance could be nightmarish, assuming we don't hit 4091
errors even trying to write the code.
 
Unfortunately, without some hard facts, I'm going to have a 
hard time convincing anyone this is bad practice. And
without tools to see exactly how the object(s) behaving, I won't
be able to prove it on our development platforms either.
 
Anyone have any experience here, or ideas for tools 
(besides  packet capture) that can assist ?
 
TIA
 
Ed Maurer








In the course of customizing 
one of our 3rd party apps that uses
Entity Beans to do multiple 
inserts to some tables, It has been 
decided we'd use triggers on 
the tables to do some RI logic and
insert essentially duplicate 
data into another database - Oracle
Financials interface, to be 
exact,
 
I've been opposed to this 
methodology, on the grounds that
nobody here can tell me exactly

how this app is behaving 
in the first place. I've heard 
that some beans do stupid (sic) things like
insert a row, then update each 
column in the course of a single
transactional insert, thus 
requiring both insert and update triggers;
performance could be 
nightmarish, assuming we don't hit 4091
errors even trying to write the

code.
 
Unfortunately, without some 
hard facts, I'm going to have a 
hard time convincing anyone 
this is bad practice. And
without tools to see exactly 
how the object(s) behaving, I won't
be able to prove it on our

development platforms either.
 
Anyone have any experience 
here, or ideas for tools 
(besides  packet capture) that can assist 
?
 
TIA
 
Ed 
Maurer

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RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[MacGregor, Ian A.]

Big Brain:
There are about 1200 permanent employees here.  You can't spit without hitting  
someone with a physics doctorate; we have so many that the "Doctor" honorific is not 
used, and we have a couple Nobel laureates.  I doubt any of them knows their IQ.  If 
they did they wouldn't boast about it.

Did you really talk to that street sweeper?  I've heard that story several times, and 
always thought it was apocryphal.  To hear from the one who actually did is astounding.


You are a prolific poster and a very knowledgeable DBA.  Your posts have doubtless 
helped  a great many people.   We suspect you are  very good.  You don't have to tell 
us.


Ian MacGregor
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I would be curious of HOW WELL he knows those things.
Anyone can learn most of everything out there, but to be able to do it and
do it well is another thing.

Also when you go so many directions like that, you never work on the same
thing for long, which means you need to be able to jump back into something
else VERY quickly or there is no sense learning it in the first place.

There is one thing as being good at many things, but when the sh%t really
hits the fan, you call someone that knows what their doing, not the jack of
all trades.

I being 26, I found myself becoming a jack of all trades, and I think I
still am.  I did not like that, so I picked up Oracle about 3.5 years ago
and decided I am going to take one thing, and be damn good at it.  I was a
good system admin and adapted very well.  But I did not get the luxery of
REALLY knowing everything about what I was using.  Although I generally can
figure things out extremely quick where it appears I know it.  "I!" was not
comfortable with my accomplishments, I wanted to know more and more.  I
could not do that doing what I was doing, broad generalization was not how I
wanted to be.

With an iq of 147, I think I can be considered a very quick learner.  I know
for a fact that 4 years ago when I was 22, I could not do all of what was
claimed in previous email by Mark (Oracle DBA, Sybase Admin, SQL Server DBA,
JAVA, HTML) and consider myself great at it.  Although you can be very
comfortable with them, comfort can be obtained in very short time frames.
True talent to play as an allstar takes years, no matter how smart you are
and what ya doing.

I once met a street sweeper who was going on to 50 years old, I asked him
why did he not try to find a better job.
His answer was "Because I am the best street sweeper there ever was."  After
saying that, I had a new found respect for him and was detirmined to seek
the same motivation in my life.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
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-Original Message-
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


But Kevin, having all under his belt doesn't mean he's ever used it.  Maybe
we're not slackers afterall.

Ruth
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> WOW, now I feel like slacker:)
> KK
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> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:51 AM
>
>
> > Cheers Lee!
> >
> > Out of curiosity how old did you think I was? I was actually turned 
> > down
> for
> > cigarettes a few months back!! I couldn't believe it!! I'm 22 BTW 
> > (only
6
> > years above the legal limit!).
> >
> > Already got Oracle Admin, SQLServer admin, HTML & JAVA programming 
> > under
> my
> > belt - with a little Sybase ASE around the edges and currently 
> > moving in
> to
> > the DB2 world!! Not bad for 4 years of intensive reading a playing..
> >
> > My next step is to sink my teeth in to UNIX..
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > Lee - lerobe
> > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:01
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > After having firstly talking to Mark at length on the phone while
> evaluating
> > some of his products, I was extremely surprised to see exactly how 
> > young
> he
> > actually was (or at least looked !!)when I met him at the Oracle 9i
launch
> > at Oracle UK. As for me, a late starter in 1990 on Cobol after 
> > dropping
> out
> > of studying law in 81, to join a band (dad wouldn't speak to me for 
> > a
> couple
> > of months but later became one of our biggest fans !!)and play for 
> > about
> 7-8
> > years, reasonably successful but no Gold Disks :-). Went on to use
Ingres,
> > Unix and C (development and DBA/S.A, then Oracle and Informix(DBA). 
> > Now purely on Oracle as a DBA and loving every minut

Oracle Bug #1311597

[Post, Ethan]

I have run into this one on an 8.1.6 database AIX 4.3.3. I know there is an
AIX patch but I am not the admin and may need a quicker solution to get
async io back up.  Anyone know if this still exist on 8.1.7.x for AIX
4.3.3.0?

Thanks,
Ethan
http://www.geocities.com/epost1

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RE: completely off-topic question...

[Christopher Spence]

It is amazing what you can do with properly placed mirrors and camera
angles.

Look at the green mile, granted Mike (his real name, forget his stage name
in the movie) was HUGE, but they only made him look even bigger by always
filming on an upward angle when filming him, and always having smaller
people beside him.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
Oracle DBA
Phone: (978) 322-5744
Fax:(707) 885-2275

Fuelspot
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North, Chelmsford 01863
 



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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


How are they handling the fact that Hobbits and dwarfs are only 3-4 feet
tall?  Are the using children with lots of makeup?  

> -Original Message-
> From: Farnsworth, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 12:57 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: completely off-topic question...
> 
> 
> I cannot remember the last time that I was excited about a movie being 
> released.  It looks like they are doing one a year with the first 
> being released later this year.  I checked out the web site and 
> checked the actors.  From my memories of the books it appears that 
> they did a good job
> of casting(at least as far as looks go).  They looked pretty 
> much the way my
> imagination made them.
> 
> Dave
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:32 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> Good grief Dave, there are to be three of them, thefirst
> being the one Kevin
> already mentioned. Real actors but I guess, a great deal of computer
> animation as well. I cannot wait myself.
> 
> Check out http://www.lordoftherings.net/
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Lee
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: 06 August 2001 16:46
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> They are making a movie on Lord of The Rings?  Is it going to
> be an animated
> one?  I did not care for the other animated movie.  Another 
> good read is by
> Steven R Donaldson called "The Chronicals of Thomas 
> Covenant".  I have read
> these two series numerous times.
> 
> Dave
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:12 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> Wow, how could you not like the Lord of the Rings!!!  I can't
> wait till this
> December when they release the first movie...:)
> KK
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 6:50 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> On Saturday 04 August 2001 16:25, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> >
> > 
> >
> > I am NOT a fan of Tolkein. I have read the Lord of the
> Rings trilogy and
> > The Hobbit, seen the Bakshi version of the trilogy and the
> cartoon version
> > of The Hobbit. Sorry, he just doesn't do it for me
> >
> > 
> 
> Oh my,  it's a good thing this is via email.
> 
> Just wait till the next IOUG and I'll slip my ring on...
> 
> Jared
> 
> >
> > Rachel
> >
> > From: "Thater, William" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: Re: completely off-topic question...
> > >Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 10:46:04 -0800
> > >
> > >Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> > > > oh, my library is relatively small -- when you add in
> all technical,
> > > > fiction, science fiction, mystery, craft books, throw
> in the knitting
> > > > magazines I still only have about 7 bookcases.
> > >
> > >only 7?;-)  sadly my collection was ... um... dispatched by a 
> > >vindictive first wife so i have nothing left.:-(
> > >
> > >i miss many of them including "stranger in a strange land"
> and a boxed
> > >set of hobbit and lord of the rings.  *sigh*
> > >
> > >i guess if i had the time i should start hunting in the
> second hand book
> > >shops.
> > >
> > >maybe later today if i get out of work in time.
> > >
> > >having "fun" playing with 9iAS and portal.;-)
> > >
> > >
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[Seema Singh]

Hi Gurus
Let I have one table TAB_1 having max extent 121.I have changed max extents 
230 from 121.Which View will show the table TAB_1 storage parameter has 
changed.In DBA_SEGMENTS I can only get storage parameter.But,I want to know 
which are the objects which storage parameter changed since 10 days.
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RE: completely off-topic question...

[Mercadante, Thomas F]

Rachel,

Alright, alright... it *probably* has not been translated into the various
dialects of China.  (I would not be surprised if it has, however).

Just because you don't like it, does not diminish its impact on the literary
world!  :)

My apologies to Jared if I mis-read something.


  NitPicker!


Tom Mercadante
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>And Jared, you are allowed to not like something that the majority of the 
>world thinks is pretty spectacular.  Free country!  :)
>
>Tom Mercadante
>Oracle Certified Professional
>


"majority of the world" laying it on pretty thick there Tom. I seriously

doubt that most of the people in the world have heard of the Lord of the 
Rings, let alone read it... you really think most of the non-english 
speaking Chinese population, as an example, have read it?

Let's keep the hyperbole down to a reasonable level, okay? :)

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RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

[Rachel Carmichael]

since when did IQ have any relation to how fast you learn?

some of the most brilliant people I know are slow thinkers, who take time to 
process what they are learning and take even more time to make sure that 
what they are saying is accurate before they speak.


>From: Christopher Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?
>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:56:32 -0800
>
>I would be curious of HOW WELL he knows those things.
>Anyone can learn most of everything out there, but to be able to do it and
>do it well is another thing.
>
>Also when you go so many directions like that, you never work on the same
>thing for long, which means you need to be able to jump back into something
>else VERY quickly or there is no sense learning it in the first place.
>
>There is one thing as being good at many things, but when the sh%t really
>hits the fan, you call someone that knows what their doing, not the jack of
>all trades.
>
>I being 26, I found myself becoming a jack of all trades, and I think I
>still am.  I did not like that, so I picked up Oracle about 3.5 years ago
>and decided I am going to take one thing, and be damn good at it.  I was a
>good system admin and adapted very well.  But I did not get the luxery of
>REALLY knowing everything about what I was using.  Although I generally can
>figure things out extremely quick where it appears I know it.  "I!" was not
>comfortable with my accomplishments, I wanted to know more and more.  I
>could not do that doing what I was doing, broad generalization was not how 
>I
>wanted to be.
>
>With an iq of 147, I think I can be considered a very quick learner.  I 
>know
>for a fact that 4 years ago when I was 22, I could not do all of what was
>claimed in previous email by Mark (Oracle DBA, Sybase Admin, SQL Server 
>DBA,
>JAVA, HTML) and consider myself great at it.  Although you can be very
>comfortable with them, comfort can be obtained in very short time frames.
>True talent to play as an allstar takes years, no matter how smart you are
>and what ya doing.
>
>I once met a street sweeper who was going on to 50 years old, I asked him
>why did he not try to find a better job.
>His answer was "Because I am the best street sweeper there ever was."  
>After
>saying that, I had a new found respect for him and was detirmined to seek
>the same motivation in my life.
>
>"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
>when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."
>
>Christopher R. Spence  OCP  MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
>Oracle DBA
>Phone: (978) 322-5744
>Fax:(707) 885-2275
>
>Fuelspot
>73 Princeton Street
>North, Chelmsford 01863
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:17 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>But Kevin, having all under his belt doesn't mean he's ever used it.  Maybe
>we're not slackers afterall.
>
>Ruth
>- Original Message -
>To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 10:15 AM
>
>
> > WOW, now I feel like slacker:)
> > KK
> > - Original Message -
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:51 AM
> >
> >
> > > Cheers Lee!
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity how old did you think I was? I was actually turned
> > > down
> > for
> > > cigarettes a few months back!! I couldn't believe it!! I'm 22 BTW
> > > (only
>6
> > > years above the legal limit!).
> > >
> > > Already got Oracle Admin, SQLServer admin, HTML & JAVA programming
> > > under
> > my
> > > belt - with a little Sybase ASE around the edges and currently
> > > moving in
> > to
> > > the DB2 world!! Not bad for 4 years of intensive reading a playing..
> > >
> > > My next step is to sink my teeth in to UNIX..
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > Lee - lerobe
> > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:01
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > After having firstly talking to Mark at length on the phone while
> > evaluating
> > > some of his products, I was extremely surprised to see exactly how
> > > young
> > he
> > > actually was (or at least looked !!)when I met him at the Oracle 9i
>launch
> > > at Oracle UK. As for me, a late starter in 1990 on Cobol after
> > > dropping
> > out
> > > of studying law in 81, to join a band (dad wouldn't speak to me for
> > > a
> > couple
> > > of months but later became one of our biggest fans !!)and play for
> > > about
> > 7-8
> > > years, reasonably successful but no Gold Disks :-). Went on to use
>Ingres,
> > > Unix and C (development and DBA/S.A, then Oracle and Informix(DBA).
> > > Now purely on Oracle as a DBA and loving every minute of it -
> > > Honest.
> > >
> > > Big future Mark - best of luck !!
> > >
> > > Lee (hobbling his way into the old school - agewise anyway !!)
> > >
> > >
> > > -

3rd Party Java and Oracle Triggers

[Ed Maurer]

In the course of customizing 
one of our 3rd party apps that uses
Entity Beans to do multiple 
inserts to some tables, It has been 
decided we'd use triggers on 
the tables to do some RI logic and
insert essentially duplicate 
data into another database - Oracle
Financials interface, to be 
exact,
 
I've been opposed to this 
methodology, on the grounds that
nobody here can tell me exactly 
how this app is behaving 
in the first place. I've heard 
that some beans do stupid (sic) things like
insert a row, then update each 
column in the course of a single
transactional insert, thus 
requiring both insert and update triggers;
performance could be 
nightmarish, assuming we don't hit 4091
errors even trying to write the 
code.
 
Unfortunately, without some 
hard facts, I'm going to have a 
hard time convincing anyone 
this is bad practice. And
without tools to see exactly 
how the object(s) behaving, I won't
be able to prove it on our 
development platforms either.
 
Anyone have any experience 
here, or ideas for tools 
(besides  packet capture) that can assist 
?
 
TIA
 
Ed 
Maurer

Apps Login Error

[dmeng]

Hi List -
After installing Apps 11.5.2 I am attempting to login for the first time. I
can login as sysadmin through 'personal homepage' without a problem. But
when I try to access individual modules by clicking on the links under
'application', I get the following:

   APP-FND-01508: Failed to connect

I click OK and it takes me to the next error:

   There are no valid navigations for this responsibility


Anybody knows what the problem could be?

TIA


Dennis Meng
Database Administrator
Focal Communications
847-954-8328

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Re: Setting environment varibales on Unix

[Mohammad Rafiq]

It should be in .profile of oracle account. Entries may be like

ORACLE_HOME=/u132/app/oracle/product/8.1.6;export ORACLE_HOME
SH_LIB_PATH=$ORACLE_HOME/lib; export SH_LIB_PATH
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/ccs/lib:/usr/dt/lib:$ORACLE_HOME/lib; export 
LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export ORA_NLS33=$ORACLE_HOME/ocommon/nls/admin/data

HTH,
Regards

MOHAMMAD RAFIQ



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How do I set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH and other general env variables on Unix ?
Can someone help ? Syntax for setting these ? Is there a file I can edit ?

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RE: completely off-topic question...

[Kevin Kostyszyn]

I agree to an extent, but I figured frodo would look a little different, at
least in my warped mind.  Gandalf on the other hand, well he is right on,
but I would think everyone would have imagined him pretty much the same.  I
can't wait to see these movies!!!
I like movies like that, there was a movie a couple of years back, Willow,
it was all about magical powers and warriors and such, I LOVE that stuff!!!
I just remember the one main bad guy was ssooo mean looking!!

-Original Message-
Dave
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 12:57 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I cannot remember the last time that I was excited about a movie being
released.  It looks like they are doing one a year with the first being
released later this year.  I checked out the web site and checked the
actors.  From my memories of the books it appears that they did a good job
of casting(at least as far as looks go).  They looked pretty much the way my
imagination made them.

Dave

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Good grief Dave, there are to be three of them, thefirst being the one Kevin
already mentioned. Real actors but I guess, a great deal of computer
animation as well. I cannot wait myself.

Check out http://www.lordoftherings.net/

Cheers

Lee

-Original Message-
Sent: 06 August 2001 16:46
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


They are making a movie on Lord of The Rings?  Is it going to be an animated
one?  I did not care for the other animated movie.  Another good read is by
Steven R Donaldson called "The Chronicals of Thomas Covenant".  I have read
these two series numerous times.

Dave

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Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:12 AM
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Wow, how could you not like the Lord of the Rings!!!  I can't wait till this
December when they release the first movie...:)
KK

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Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 6:50 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


On Saturday 04 August 2001 16:25, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
>
> 
>
> I am NOT a fan of Tolkein. I have read the Lord of the Rings trilogy and
> The Hobbit, seen the Bakshi version of the trilogy and the cartoon version
> of The Hobbit. Sorry, he just doesn't do it for me
>
> 

Oh my,  it's a good thing this is via email.

Just wait till the next IOUG and I'll slip my ring on...

Jared

>
> Rachel
>
> From: "Thater, William" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 10:46:04 -0800
> >
> >Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> > > oh, my library is relatively small -- when you add in all technical,
> > > fiction, science fiction, mystery, craft books, throw in the knitting
> > > magazines I still only have about 7 bookcases.
> >
> >only 7?;-)  sadly my collection was ... um... dispatched by a
> >vindictive first wife so i have nothing left.:-(
> >
> >i miss many of them including "stranger in a strange land" and a boxed
> >set of hobbit and lord of the rings.  *sigh*
> >
> >i guess if i had the time i should start hunting in the second hand book
> >shops.
> >
> >maybe later today if i get out of work in time.
> >
> >having "fun" playing with 9iAS and portal.;-)
> >
> >
> >--
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> >
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RE: completely off-topic question...

[JOE TESTA]

I've heard of it(first time on this list) and have never read 
it, nor plan on it.
 
joe
 
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/06/01 01:13PM 
And Jared, you are allowed to not like something that 
the majority of the >world thinks is pretty spectacular.  Free 
country!  :)>>Tom Mercadante>Oracle Certified 
Professional>"majority of the world" laying it on pretty 
thick there Tom. I seriously doubt that most of the people in the world have 
heard of the Lord of the Rings, let alone read it... you really think most 
of the non-english speaking Chinese population, as an example, have read 
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RE: completely off-topic question...

[Steiner, Randy]

How are they handling the fact that Hobbits and dwarfs are only 3-4 feet
tall?  Are the using children with lots of makeup?  

> -Original Message-
> From: Farnsworth, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 12:57 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: completely off-topic question...
> 
> 
> I cannot remember the last time that I was excited about a movie being
> released.  It looks like they are doing one a year with the 
> first being
> released later this year.  I checked out the web site and checked the
> actors.  From my memories of the books it appears that they 
> did a good job
> of casting(at least as far as looks go).  They looked pretty 
> much the way my
> imagination made them.
> 
> Dave
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:32 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> Good grief Dave, there are to be three of them, thefirst 
> being the one Kevin
> already mentioned. Real actors but I guess, a great deal of computer
> animation as well. I cannot wait myself.
> 
> Check out http://www.lordoftherings.net/
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Lee
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: 06 August 2001 16:46
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> They are making a movie on Lord of The Rings?  Is it going to 
> be an animated
> one?  I did not care for the other animated movie.  Another 
> good read is by
> Steven R Donaldson called "The Chronicals of Thomas 
> Covenant".  I have read
> these two series numerous times.
> 
> Dave
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:12 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> Wow, how could you not like the Lord of the Rings!!!  I can't 
> wait till this
> December when they release the first movie...:)
> KK
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 6:50 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> On Saturday 04 August 2001 16:25, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> >
> > 
> >
> > I am NOT a fan of Tolkein. I have read the Lord of the 
> Rings trilogy and
> > The Hobbit, seen the Bakshi version of the trilogy and the 
> cartoon version
> > of The Hobbit. Sorry, he just doesn't do it for me
> >
> > 
> 
> Oh my,  it's a good thing this is via email.
> 
> Just wait till the next IOUG and I'll slip my ring on...
> 
> Jared
> 
> >
> > Rachel
> >
> > From: "Thater, William" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: Re: completely off-topic question...
> > >Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 10:46:04 -0800
> > >
> > >Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> > > > oh, my library is relatively small -- when you add in 
> all technical,
> > > > fiction, science fiction, mystery, craft books, throw 
> in the knitting
> > > > magazines I still only have about 7 bookcases.
> > >
> > >only 7?;-)  sadly my collection was ... um... dispatched by a
> > >vindictive first wife so i have nothing left.:-(
> > >
> > >i miss many of them including "stranger in a strange land" 
> and a boxed
> > >set of hobbit and lord of the rings.  *sigh*
> > >
> > >i guess if i had the time i should start hunting in the 
> second hand book
> > >shops.
> > >
> > >maybe later today if i get out of work in time.
> > >
> > >having "fun" playing with 9iAS and portal.;-)
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >Bill "Shrek" Thater  ORACLE DBA
> > >Telergy,Inc.   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> >-
> ---
> > >It's got to come from the heart if you want it to work!
> > 
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RE: import size problem ???

[Behar, Rivaldi]

Title: RE: import size problem ???





No data doesn't mean no space if you used big initial extent.
You have created that table with initial extent 1.8 GB. 


HTH,
Rivaldi


-Original Message-
From: Leslie Lu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:07 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: import size problem ???



Hi all,


I have an export file of 6M.  The import file only has
DDL.  I imported the file into a db of about 1G. 
After import, the db became 6G !!!  There is one table
with 71 columns, but NO DATA, takes 1.8G !!!  
How does this happen, and how to make the objects
claim the space. I issued Alter Table ... Deallocate
Unused, but doesn't help.  Also how to prevent this
from happening.


Both the export and import database are 815 on Sun5.6.
 The export db has 8K block size, while import db has
2K. Here is the par file:


USERID=arbor/arbor123
FROMUSER=ARBOR
TOUSER=ARBOR
COMMIT=TRUE
IGNORE=TRUE
FILE=arbor_full_20010726.dmp
LOG=Afull.log


Thank you!


Leslie


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