INDEXLEME ONEMLI

2001-09-03 Thread Bunyamin K. Karadeniz



Arkadaþlar ,

Form içinde yaptýðýnýz ORDER BY, GROUP BY gibi 
fonksiyonlarý hangi tablolarýn hangi alanlarýnda yaptýðýnýzý bir yerlere lütfen 
yazýn. Bu alanlarda index yaratýlacaktýr.

Form da blok propertilerinde order by yaparsanýz 
onu da yazýn . 

Bunyamin 
Your Databored 
Administrator


INDEXLEME ONEMLI

2001-09-03 Thread Bunyamin K. Karadeniz



Arkadaþlar ,

Form içinde yaptýðýnýz ORDER BY, GROUP BY gibi 
fonksiyonlarý hangi tablolarýn hangi alanlarýnda yaptýðýnýzý bir yerlere lütfen 
yazýn. Bu alanlarda index yaratýlacaktýr.

Form da blok propertilerinde order by yaparsanýz 
onu da yazýn . 

Bunyamin 
Your Databored 
Administrator


RE: INDEXLEME ONEMLI

2001-09-03 Thread Robertson Lee - lerobe



Nope, 
I still don't understand it, even the second time around. Like the Databored 
Administrator bit though !!!



  -Original Message-From: Bunyamin K. Karadeniz
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  INDEXLEME ONEMLI
  Arkadalar ,
  
  Form içinde yaptnz ORDER BY, GROUP BY gibi 
  fonksiyonlar hangi tablolarn hangi alanlarnda yaptnz bir yerlere 
  lütfen yazn. Bu alanlarda index yaratlacaktr.
  
  Form da blok propertilerinde order by yaparsanz 
  onu da yazn . 
  
  Bunyamin 
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ORA-27146: post/wait initialization failed

2001-09-03 Thread Sajid Iqbal

Hi

Using  Oracle 8.1.6.3 on Solaris 2.7.

I get this error   ORA-27146: post/wait initialization failed 
when trying to startup my database.. if I reboot the machine then it
starts up without problems..

From reading previous e-mails.. I'm led to belive that the semaphores need
to be increased.
Does anyone know how to do this, also how to calculate how much to
increase by etc

Regards

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Re: INDEXLEME ONEMLI

2001-09-03 Thread Jan Pruner

Yes.

:-

Dne po  3. zá?í 2001 10:20 jste napsal(a):
 Arkadaþlar ,

 Form içinde yaptýðýnýz ORDER BY, GROUP BY gibi fonksiyonlarý hangi
 tablolarýn hangi alanlarýnda yaptýðýnýzý bir yerlere lütfen yazýn. Bu
 alanlarda index yaratýlacaktýr.

 Form da blok propertilerinde order by yaparsanýz onu da yazýn .

  Bunyamin
 Your Databored Administrator


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RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?

2001-09-03 Thread Thomas, Kevin

OOooh, that's something I want to be able to do is to send email to us
in case of problems...I can send email from OraForms using Outlook but
I've not got round to checking out how I send email from a Unix box
via pl/sql or the likesany suggestions?

K.

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we have homegrown shell scripts -- page us, email us, send daily status of 
the world reports... works!



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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 05:47:12 -0800

Database monitoring toolsthrrp! We wrote our own using Java and lots of
SQL are shell scripts...patchy but it works ;-)


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I've got 11 databases (and just found out I'll probably have a new one, a
semi, sort of, kind of data warehouse -- I need those books!)

and there is me, my junior DBA who is not so junior anymore, and one
consultant.

And my CTO thinks that the DBAs are really just extra programming 
resources.

So half the time we are doing non-DBA work.

Oh yeah, and we don't have any of those high-falutin' database monitoring
tools either :)


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 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 02:55:26 -0800
 
 Bloody Hell, we have half that amount of systems yet only two DBAs. What 
on
 earth do they do with the rest of their time.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: 31 August 2001 09:40
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 LOL...with 31 systems to support 24/7/365 if you threw a stone in any
 direction you would hit a DBA. At the last count I believe we had 12...!!
 
 
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 Deregulation Services
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 (2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)
 Tel: 0141 568 2377
 Fax: 0141 568 2366
 http://www.calanais.com
 
 
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 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 Sounds like your company is looking for a new DBA? :-
 
 Jan Pruner
 
 Dne ?t 30. srpen 2001 17:26 jste napsal(a):
   I have to say I resent being called a duhveloper, granted the majority
   couldn't tune a banjo let alone tune a piece of SQL, but as a techie
 (and
   we all are), I find this list invaluable for getting advice on a wide
 range
   of topics, not just keeping a DB up and running or tuned...I don't 
call
 you
   guys names, and let's face it you DB-ehs? couldn't write a decent
   application if your lives depended on it...
  
   (blue touch-paper lit, retire a distance, do not re-approach once lit,
 and
   wait for fireworks)
  
  
   hit any user to continue
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   Tel: 0141 568 2377
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   no, those posts keep us underworked DBAs from killing the 
duhvelopers
 who
   make us do the same thing over and over and over and who never listen
 when
   we tell them the correct way to design the tables.
  
   :)
  
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   Subject: RE: !! Keeping the list alive
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   Just look at the number of OT postings in the last couple of 
months...
   
   : )
   
   Patrice Boivin
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You're surprised at those willing to pay?
   
You have to realize that most DBAs are over-payed and under-worked
   
ducking
   
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Shutdown and archivelog mode

2001-09-03 Thread Sajid Iqbal

Hi

Using Oracle 8.1.6.3 on solaris 2.7.

I am trying to put my database in archivelog mode.

When I try to shutdown the database using shutdown immediate, it just sits
there for ages.. (left it for 30 mins).

I've cancelled this and done a shutdown abort. (tried normal shutdown
after that, same)

Due to this when I try to put it archivelog mode after shutdown abort I
get a message saying that the database can't be put into archivelog mode
because recovery is needed.

TIA

-- 
Sajid Iqbal





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Re: NLS_LANG

2001-09-03 Thread Jan Pruner

No way, only recreate the database.

Jan Pruner

Dne pá 31. srpen 2001 18:08 jste napsal(a):
 Does anyone know how or if it is possible to change the NLS_LANG value for
 a database that has already been created?
 I believe the answer is no, but I wanted a sanity check (Lord knows I need
 one). Thanks.

 Todd Carlson
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 Bunge North America
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Oracle for SGI Irix installation

2001-09-03 Thread Pavla Lokajova

I have a problem with intallation oracle 8.1.6 to SGI Irix 6.5.12.
When i start RunInstaller and click to the Next bar of Welcome window, I
can see the following errors:

39861:/CDROM/install/../stage/Components/oracle.swd.jre/1.1.6.2/1/DataFiles/Expanded/jre/irix/bin/../bin/sgi/native_threads/jre:
rld: Fatal Error: Cannot Successfully map soname
'../stage/Components/oracle.swd.oui/1.7.0.18.0/1/DataFiles/Expanded/bin/irix/liboraInstaller.so'
under any of the filenames
../stage/Components/oracle.swd.oui/1.7.0.18.0/1/DataFiles/Expanded/bin/irix/liboraInstaller.so
(../stage/Components/oracle.swd.oui/1.7.0.18.0/1/DataFiles/Expanded/bin/irix/liboraInstaller.so)
java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError:
../stage/Components/oracle.swd.oui/1.7.0.18.0/1/DataFiles/Expanded/bin/irix/liboraInstaller.so
at java.lang.Runtime.load(Runtime.java:397)
at java.lang.System.load(System.java:553)
at
at
oracle.sysman.oii.oiip.oiipg.OiipgEnvironment.getEnv(OiipgEnvironment.java:81)
at
oracle.sysman.oii.oiif.oiifp.OiifpWizLocPanel.refreshCombos(OiifpWizLocPanel.java:1098)
at
oracle.sysman.oii.oiif.oiifp.OiifpWizLocPanel.init(OiifpWizLocPanel.java:384)
...

Could anybody advice me?

Thanks in advance.


Pavla Lokajova

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Czech Republic

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Re: INDEXLEME ONEMLI

2001-09-03 Thread Bunyamin K. Karadeniz



Sorry for the email . I wanted to send it to a 
friend but send it to list wrongly . 

SORRY 

bunyamin

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Robertson Lee - 
  lerobe 
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 12:20 
  PM
  Subject: RE: INDEXLEME ONEMLI
  
  Nope, I still don't understand it, even the second 
  time around. Like the Databored Administrator bit though 
  !!!
  
  
  
-Original Message-From: Bunyamin K. Karadeniz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 
03 September 2001 09:20To: Multiple recipients of list 
ORACLE-LSubject: INDEXLEME ONEMLI
Arkadalar ,

Form içinde yaptnz ORDER BY, GROUP BY gibi 
fonksiyonlar hangi tablolarn hangi alanlarnda yaptnz bir yerlere 
lütfen yazn. Bu alanlarda index yaratlacaktr.

Form da blok propertilerinde order by 
yaparsanz onu da yazn . 

Bunyamin 
Your Databored 
  AdministratorThe 
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RE: OT: RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?

2001-09-03 Thread Thomas, Kevin

well if you didn't keep paying me in bloomin' bananas me and me mates would
never have gone on strike!!

;-) LOL

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From: Jacques Kilchoer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: OT: RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:20:26 -0800

I am in charge of 273 databases at sites throughout the world, some of them
in places with no electricity where we have an elephant on a treadmill
supplying power. I personally had to once step in for the elephant when he
was feeling under the weather.

All of these databases are 26 x 8, meaning 26 hours a day eight days a week
since we have to deal with the additional day caused by the international
date line, and two extra hours because of some places have weird time 
zones.
On certain days the International Time committee adds a leap second to the
day which means that on those days I have to work an extra second * 273
databases which adds up to several minutes.

On 19 of those databases, due to the lack of funds for storage, I have to 
do
a backup to paper, i.e. I have to manually read every table through select
statements and write them down on paper using a broken pencil.

We are planning on sending a few databases out onto satellites, one of them
on a probe to Neptune. I will also be in charge of the backup/uptime for
those mission-critical systems, since they will be used as the back-end for
a
website that receives thousands of hits per minute (a Britney Spears fan
club site).

I am the only human DBA. We have three helper monkeys at remote locations
but they are currently on strike.

I have to run off now because the coffee machine is broken and no one is
here to fix it except me. I had to carve my own coffe cup out of wood
because I can't afford ceramic.


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Re: OT Re: INDEXLEME ONEMLI

2001-09-03 Thread Okan CIMEN

Well... I guess Bunyamin was trying to warn their developers about indexing
and he has sent it wrong.
Gints, it is Turkish not Turkic.

Anyway, we are at the quarter finals, hoping to get the cup..

Okan

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you with experience (Dilberts Rules of Order)


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Although there is European Basketball Championship in Turkey and I'm a big
fan of it, I don't know Turkic (I suppose so) now ;)))

Gints Plivna
IT Sist?mas, Mer?e?a 13, LV1050 R?ga
http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/




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Arkadaþlar ,

Form içinde yaptýðýnýz ORDER BY, GROUP BY gibi fonksiyonlarý hangi
tablolarýn hangi alanlarýnda yaptýðýnýzý bir yerlere lütfen yazýn. Bu
alanlarda index yaratýlacaktýr.

Form da blok propertilerinde order by yaparsanýz onu da yazýn .

 Bunyamin
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OT Re: INDEXLEME ONEMLI

2001-09-03 Thread G . Plivna


Although there is European Basketball Championship in Turkey and I'm a big
fan of it, I don't know Turkic (I suppose so) now ;)))

Gints Plivna
IT Sist?mas, Mer?e?a 13, LV1050 R?ga
http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/



   

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Arkadaþlar ,

Form içinde yaptýðýnýz ORDER BY, GROUP BY gibi fonksiyonlarý hangi
tablolarýn hangi alanlarýnda yaptýðýnýzý bir yerlere lütfen yazýn. Bu
alanlarda index yaratýlacaktýr.

Form da blok propertilerinde order by yaparsanýz onu da yazýn .

 Bunyamin
Your Databored Administrator



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UNIX LINKS QUESTION ??

2001-09-03 Thread Bunyamin K. Karadeniz



My unix knowledge is low and I want to develop it . 
But I search for a tutorial for Oracle People especially DBA's. 

IS there a source on web including the directory 
structure, oratab or other things to administer a database on Unix system 
?

I' ll be so happy for your helps 
.
Thank you 




a little sql question

2001-09-03 Thread Djaroud Salim

hi every body,
I need to insert in the end of a sql script, the number of rows returned.
how can i do that ?
thanks !!!
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RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?

2001-09-03 Thread Thomas, Kevin

Hi Don, and well done for taking the step back towards a normal
life...(whatever the heck that is!)...
 
LOL
 
 
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OK.  I've resisted the temptation so far, but (puffing out chest)...
 

In one job in my distant past, at a turnkey software/systems shop, four
(initially two) of us used to administer about half a dozen in house Oracle
servers and remotely administer about 2-3 dozen of our clients' database
servers.  They were scattered all over the US and Canada and we all did
database and Unix systems administration part time.  About 80% of our time
was spent in custom software/systems design and development.  Everybody got
Oracle DBA training, but nobody was a full-time DBA or systems
administrator.  (A very novel approach that resulted in very few deeply
imbedded application performance issues!)
 
From late 1997 until mid-1999 I administered up to about 45 Oracle databases
(each was 10-200 GB  OLTP) by myself - including design/modeling, code
reviews and tuning, physical server configuration (sizing systems, creating
raw devices, etc.), and production database administration.  I was the only
Oracle DBA in the entire company for my first 18 months there!  We actually
had about 12 distinct Oracle-based application systems, most with distinct
dev, functional test, performance test, and production databases.  These
were spread over more than 40 Sun servers ranging from Ultra 2s to E10Ks.
Three of the production systems were on Sun PDB cluster and Oracle parallel
server.  Critical?  At least four were the core components of the trading
systems at one of the world's largest online brokerages - serious 24 x
forever with (usually) million+ dollar costs for any downtime.
 
Actually the number was about 24 databases until Jan 1999.  At that time,
they gave me some help - the guy who was the (only) DBA for the Informix
system (which was phased out the following Fall) - to retrain as an Oracle
DBA.  Two weeks later I was asked to create 21 new databases on 17 new
servers - within nine days.  I made it with a little under an hour to spare.
That brought the total up to about 45.  By August, the ex-Informix DBA was
doing Oracle full time and they had hired some more help (all with no
significant Oracle experience!) - and,  of course, added another 20-30
databases!  When I left a couple of months ago (no surprise is it?) we had
42 production Oracle databases on 35 production servers, with a total of
over 160 databases on over 120 servers, administered by 6 DBAs.  We also had
over 100 other servers (Web servers, WebLogic servers, Tuxedo servers, etc.)
that had the Oracle client (including Pro*C)installed - which we also
maintained.
 
Of course I was working an average of about 95 hours/week much of that
time... And sleeping less than half that.
 
For none of these did I ever have any significant 3rd party tools (BMC
Patrol, etc.).  I did develop a *LOT* of homegrown scripts and automation
though. [I still prefer, with a very few select exceptions, homegrown tools
over commercial tools.]  The other key was in *ADAMANTLY INSISTING* on being
able to set things up right at the start.  Having enough space on (at
least most) test systems to load (or clone) production-sized databases
helped also.
 

This sounds kinda like When I was a kid, we had to walk five miles to
school in neck-deep snow - uphill both ways! doesn't it?  Unfortunately,
its true.  I have references and the complete lack of an outside life to
prove it!  Since I left, I've been decompressing and going through social
rehabilitation  [Hi, my name is Don.  I haven't been on a bridge call in
over two months.  (Smattering of applause...)]

 

-Don Granaman
[certifiable OraSaurus and shameless braggart]
 
PS:  Most of, and certainly the best of, the DBA's I've ever worked with had
significant prior experience as developers (not duhvelopers).

- Original Message - 
To: Multiple  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] recipients of list ORACLE-L 
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 12:18 PM

Yeah, well, in a previous life I was in charge of 27 databases on 9 servers
ALL BY MYSELF. Didn't have anybody working with me, man. Zilch. Nada.
 
And, of course, I'm not going to talk about the nature of the systems 'cause
then it wouldn't sound so impressive
 
--Walt Weaver
  Bozeman, Montana

-Original Message-
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 10:38 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


We do about the same number with 6 DBAs...
 
(not that that means sh*t without talking about the nature of the systems,
of course)

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Re: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?

2001-09-03 Thread Jan Pruner

-
PACKAGE utl_smtp AS

 /***
  * OVERVIEW
  *
  * This package provides SMTP client-side access functionality in PL/SQL.
  * With this package, a PL/SQL program can send electronic mails via SMTP.
  * This package does not allow the PL/SQL program to receive e-mails via
  * SMTP.  The user of this package should be familiar with the SMTP protocol
  * as defined in RFC 821 and RFC 1869.
  *
  * This package is meant to provide an API to SMTP protocol directly.  Users
  * may find it useful to define additional helper routines to encapsulate
  * the interaction with a SMTP server.
*/
-


JP

Dne po  3. zá?í 2001 11:40 jste napsal(a):
 OOooh, that's something I want to be able to do is to send email to us
 in case of problems...I can send email from OraForms using Outlook but
 I've not got round to checking out how I send email from a Unix box
 via pl/sql or the likesany suggestions?

 K.

 hit any user to continue
 __

 Kevin Thomas
 Technical Analyst
 Deregulation Services
 Calanais Ltd.
 (2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)
 Tel: 0141 568 2377
 Fax: 0141 568 2366
 http://www.calanais.com


 -Original Message-
 Sent: 31 August 2001 17:38
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 we have homegrown shell scripts -- page us, email us, send daily status of
 the world reports... works!



 From: Thomas, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?
 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 05:47:12 -0800
 
 Database monitoring toolsthrrp! We wrote our own using Java and lots
  of SQL are shell scripts...patchy but it works ;-)
 
 
 __
 
 Kevin Thomas
 Technical Analyst
 Deregulation Services
 Calanais Ltd.
 (2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)
 Tel: 0141 568 2377
 Fax: 0141 568 2366
 http://www.calanais.com
 
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: 31 August 2001 14:17
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 I've got 11 databases (and just found out I'll probably have a new one, a
 semi, sort of, kind of data warehouse -- I need those books!)
 
 and there is me, my junior DBA who is not so junior anymore, and one
 consultant.
 
 And my CTO thinks that the DBAs are really just extra programming
 resources.
 
 So half the time we are doing non-DBA work.
 
 Oh yeah, and we don't have any of those high-falutin' database monitoring
 tools either :)
 
  From: Robertson Lee - lerobe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?
  Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 02:55:26 -0800
  
  Bloody Hell, we have half that amount of systems yet only two DBAs. What
 
 on
 
  earth do they do with the rest of their time.
  
  
  -Original Message-
  Sent: 31 August 2001 09:40
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  
  
  LOL...with 31 systems to support 24/7/365 if you threw a stone in any
  direction you would hit a DBA. At the last count I believe we had
   12...!!
  
  
  __
  
  Kevin Thomas
  Technical Analyst
  Deregulation Services
  Calanais Ltd.
  (2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)
  Tel: 0141 568 2377
  Fax: 0141 568 2366
  http://www.calanais.com
  
  
  -Original Message-
  Sent: 30 August 2001 17:22
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  
  
  Sounds like your company is looking for a new DBA? :-
  
  Jan Pruner
  
  Dne ?t 30. srpen 2001 17:26 jste napsal(a):
I have to say I resent being called a duhveloper, granted the
majority couldn't tune a banjo let alone tune a piece of SQL, but as
a techie
  
  (and
  
we all are), I find this list invaluable for getting advice on a wide
  
  range
  
of topics, not just keeping a DB up and running or tuned...I don't
 
 call
 
  you
  
guys names, and let's face it you DB-ehs? couldn't write a decent
application if your lives depended on it...
   
(blue touch-paper lit, retire a distance, do not re-approach once
lit,
  
  and
  
wait for fireworks)
   
   
hit any user to continue
__
   
Kevin Thomas
Technical Analyst
Deregulation Services
Calanais Ltd.
(2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)
Tel: 0141 568 2377
Fax: 0141 568 2366
http://www.calanais.com
   
   
-Original Message-
Sent: 30 August 2001 15:46
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
   
   
   
no, those posts keep us underworked DBAs from killing the
 
 duhvelopers
 
  who
  
make us do the same thing over and over and over and who never listen
  
  when
  
we tell them the correct way to design the tables.
   
:)
   
From: Boivin, 

Smallest possible instance.

2001-09-03 Thread Mark Leith

Hello all,

Does anybody know the smallest possible size (SGA etc.) that an instance can
be, and still run and accept connections?

We have a test laptop that will be running Oracle 8.1.7, along with some of
our tools against it, so the instances only need to accept around 2-3
connections..

If you have a sample init file or something like that also, that would be
great..

Cheers

Mark

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RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?

2001-09-03 Thread Guy Hammond

Use UTL_SMTP

http://technet.oracle.com/doc/oracle8i_816/server.816/a76936/utl_smtp.ht
m

g



-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 10:41 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


OOooh, that's something I want to be able to do is to send email to us
in case of problems...I can send email from OraForms using Outlook but
I've not got round to checking out how I send email from a Unix box
via pl/sql or the likesany suggestions?

K.

hit any user to continue
__

Kevin Thomas
Technical Analyst
Deregulation Services
Calanais Ltd.
(2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)
Tel: 0141 568 2377
Fax: 0141 568 2366
http://www.calanais.com

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Re: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?

2001-09-03 Thread Stefan Jahnke

Hi,

take a look at the UTL_SMTP package. 

 
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Thomas, Kevin schrieb:
 
 OOooh, that's something I want to be able to do is to send email to us
 in case of problems...I can send email from OraForms using Outlook but
 I've not got round to checking out how I send email from a Unix box
 via pl/sql or the likesany suggestions?
 
 K.
 
 hit any user to continue
 __
 
 Kevin Thomas
 Technical Analyst
 Deregulation Services
 Calanais Ltd.
 (2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)
 Tel: 0141 568 2377
 Fax: 0141 568 2366
 http://www.calanais.com
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: 31 August 2001 17:38
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 we have homegrown shell scripts -- page us, email us, send daily status of=
 t
  he world reports... works!
 
 From: Thomas, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?
 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 05:47:12 -0800
 
 Database monitoring toolsthrrp! We wrote our own using Java and lots of
 SQL are shell scripts...patchy but it works ;-)
 
 
 __
 
 Kevin Thomas
 Technical Analyst
 Deregulation Services
 Calanais Ltd.
 (2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)
 Tel: 0141 568 2377
 Fax: 0141 568 2366
 http://www.calanais.com
 
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: 31 August 2001 14:17
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 I've got 11 databases (and just found out I'll probably have a new one, a
 semi, sort of, kind of data warehouse -- I need those books!)
 
 and there is me, my junior DBA who is not so junior anymore, and one
 consultant.
 
 And my CTO thinks that the DBAs are really just extra programming=20
 resources.
 
 So half the time we are doing non-DBA work.
 
 Oh yeah, and we don't have any of those high-falutin' database monitoring
 tools either :)
 
 
  From: Robertson Lee - lerobe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?
  Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 02:55:26 -0800
  
  Bloody Hell, we have half that amount of systems yet only two DBAs. What=
 
  on
  earth do they do with the rest of their time.
  
  
  -Original Message-
  Sent: 31 August 2001 09:40
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  
  
  LOL...with 31 systems to support 24/7/365 if you threw a stone in any
  direction you would hit a DBA. At the last count I believe we had 12...!!
  
  
  __
  
  Kevin Thomas
  Technical Analyst
  Deregulation Services
  Calanais Ltd.
  (2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)
  Tel: 0141 568 2377
  Fax: 0141 568 2366
  http://www.calanais.com
  
  
  -Original Message-
  Sent: 30 August 2001 17:22
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  
  
  Sounds like your company is looking for a new DBA? :-
  
  Jan Pruner
  
  Dne ?t 30. srpen 2001 17:26 jste napsal(a):
I have to say I resent being called a duhveloper, granted the majority
couldn't tune a banjo let alone tune a piece of SQL, but as a techie
  (and
we all are), I find this list invaluable for getting advice on a wide
  range
of topics, not just keeping a DB up and running or tuned...I don't=20
 call
  you
guys names, and let's face it you DB-ehs? couldn't write a decent
application if your lives depended on it...
   
(blue touch-paper lit, retire a distance, do not re-approach once lit,
  and
wait for fireworks)
   
   
hit any user to continue
__
   
Kevin Thomas
Technical Analyst
Deregulation Services
Calanais Ltd.
(2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)
Tel: 0141 568 2377
Fax: 0141 568 2366
http://www.calanais.com
   
   
-Original Message-
Sent: 30 August 2001 15:46
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
   
   
   
no, those posts keep us underworked DBAs from killing the=20
 duhvelopers
  who
make us do the same thing over and over and over and who never listen
  when
we tell them the correct way to design the tables.
   
:)
   
From: Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: !! Keeping the list alive
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 04:00:52 -0800

Just look at the number of OT postings in the last couple of=20
 months...

: )

Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)

Systems Admin  Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des syst=E8mes
Technology Services| Services technologiques
Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique
Maritimes Region, DFO  | R=E9gion des Maritimes, MPO

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RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?

2001-09-03 Thread Thomas, Kevin

Thanks Jan,

I'll check and see if we have access to this package...


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Tel: 0141 568 2377
Fax: 0141 568 2366
http://www.calanais.com


-Original Message-
Sent: 03 September 2001 11:36
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



-
PACKAGE utl_smtp AS

 /***
  * OVERVIEW
  *
  * This package provides SMTP client-side access functionality in PL/SQL.
  * With this package, a PL/SQL program can send electronic mails via SMTP.
  * This package does not allow the PL/SQL program to receive e-mails via
  * SMTP.  The user of this package should be familiar with the SMTP
protocol
  * as defined in RFC 821 and RFC 1869.
  *
  * This package is meant to provide an API to SMTP protocol directly.
Users
  * may find it useful to define additional helper routines to encapsulate
  * the interaction with a SMTP server.
*/

-


JP

Dne po  3. zá?í 2001 11:40 jste napsal(a):
 OOooh, that's something I want to be able to do is to send email to us
 in case of problems...I can send email from OraForms using Outlook but
 I've not got round to checking out how I send email from a Unix box
 via pl/sql or the likesany suggestions?

 K.

 hit any user to continue
 __

 Kevin Thomas
 Technical Analyst
 Deregulation Services
 Calanais Ltd.
 (2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)
 Tel: 0141 568 2377
 Fax: 0141 568 2366
 http://www.calanais.com


 -Original Message-
 Sent: 31 August 2001 17:38
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 we have homegrown shell scripts -- page us, email us, send daily status of
 the world reports... works!



 From: Thomas, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?
 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 05:47:12 -0800
 
 Database monitoring toolsthrrp! We wrote our own using Java and lots
  of SQL are shell scripts...patchy but it works ;-)
 
 
 __
 
 Kevin Thomas
 Technical Analyst
 Deregulation Services
 Calanais Ltd.
 (2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)
 Tel: 0141 568 2377
 Fax: 0141 568 2366
 http://www.calanais.com
 
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: 31 August 2001 14:17
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 I've got 11 databases (and just found out I'll probably have a new one, a
 semi, sort of, kind of data warehouse -- I need those books!)
 
 and there is me, my junior DBA who is not so junior anymore, and one
 consultant.
 
 And my CTO thinks that the DBAs are really just extra programming
 resources.
 
 So half the time we are doing non-DBA work.
 
 Oh yeah, and we don't have any of those high-falutin' database monitoring
 tools either :)
 
  From: Robertson Lee - lerobe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?
  Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 02:55:26 -0800
  
  Bloody Hell, we have half that amount of systems yet only two DBAs.
What
 
 on
 
  earth do they do with the rest of their time.
  
  
  -Original Message-
  Sent: 31 August 2001 09:40
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  
  
  LOL...with 31 systems to support 24/7/365 if you threw a stone in any
  direction you would hit a DBA. At the last count I believe we had
   12...!!
  
  
  __
  
  Kevin Thomas
  Technical Analyst
  Deregulation Services
  Calanais Ltd.
  (2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)
  Tel: 0141 568 2377
  Fax: 0141 568 2366
  http://www.calanais.com
  
  
  -Original Message-
  Sent: 30 August 2001 17:22
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  
  
  Sounds like your company is looking for a new DBA? :-
  
  Jan Pruner
  
  Dne ?t 30. srpen 2001 17:26 jste napsal(a):
I have to say I resent being called a duhveloper, granted the
majority couldn't tune a banjo let alone tune a piece of SQL, but as
a techie
  
  (and
  
we all are), I find this list invaluable for getting advice on a
wide
  
  range
  
of topics, not just keeping a DB up and running or tuned...I don't
 
 call
 
  you
  
guys names, and let's face it you DB-ehs? couldn't write a decent
application if your lives depended on it...
   
(blue touch-paper lit, retire a distance, do not re-approach once
lit,
  
  and
  
wait for fireworks)
   
   
hit any user to continue
__
   
Kevin Thomas
Technical Analyst
Deregulation Services
Calanais Ltd.
(2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)
Tel: 0141 568 2377
Fax: 0141 568 2366
http://www.calanais.com
   
   

Re: OT Re: INDEXLEME ONEMLI

2001-09-03 Thread Bunyamin K. Karadeniz

Yes Okan , thank you.
bunyamin
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Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 1:20 PM


Well... I guess Bunyamin was trying to warn their developers about indexing
and he has sent it wrong.
Gints, it is Turkish not Turkic.

Anyway, we are at the quarter finals, hoping to get the cup..

Okan

Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat
you with experience (Dilberts Rules of Order)


- Original Message -
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 12:26 PM



Although there is European Basketball Championship in Turkey and I'm a big
fan of it, I don't know Turkic (I suppose so) now ;)))

Gints Plivna
IT Sist?mas, Mer?e?a 13, LV1050 R?ga
http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/




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an.com.tr   Subject: INDEXLEME ONEMLI
Sent by:
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2001.09.03 10:20
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Arkadaþlar ,

Form içinde yaptýðýnýz ORDER BY, GROUP BY gibi fonksiyonlarý hangi
tablolarýn hangi alanlarýnda yaptýðýnýzý bir yerlere lütfen yazýn. Bu
alanlarda index yaratýlacaktýr.

Form da blok propertilerinde order by yaparsanýz onu da yazýn .

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OEM on HPUX

2001-09-03 Thread Stuart Graham



Guys, has anyone set up Enterprise Manager 9.0.1 on 
HPUX?
More specifically the Intelligent (now there's a 
misnomer!!) Agent?

When I try to autodiscover nodes, it says the Agent 
is not running.

I then run 

agentctl status

and get the message 

Required configuration file snmp_ro.ora not found 


This file is in $ORACLE_HOME/network/admin, is 
owned by the ORACLE user and the directory specified above is in 
PATH.

Anybody got any clues??

TIA


Re: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?

2001-09-03 Thread Jan Pruner

... or the likesany suggestions?

will be much more easier to hire some office-girl and let she mail it manualy 
than drive some developer to write the code :-)))

JP

Dne po  3. zá?í 2001 13:10 jste napsal(a):
 Thanks Jan,

 I'll check and see if we have access to this package...


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   * With this package, a PL/SQL program can send electronic mails via SMTP.
   * This package does not allow the PL/SQL program to receive e-mails via
   * SMTP.  The user of this package should be familiar with the SMTP
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   * as defined in RFC 821 and RFC 1869.
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 Dne po  3. zá?í 2001 11:40 jste napsal(a):
  OOooh, that's something I want to be able to do is to send email to us
  in case of problems...I can send email from OraForms using Outlook but
  I've not got round to checking out how I send email from a Unix box
  via pl/sql or the likesany suggestions?
 
  K.
 
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  we have homegrown shell scripts -- page us, email us, send daily status
  of the world reports... works!
 
 
 
  From: Thomas, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
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  Subject: RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?
  Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 05:47:12 -0800
  
  Database monitoring toolsthrrp! We wrote our own using Java and lots
   of SQL are shell scripts...patchy but it works ;-)
  
  
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  I've got 11 databases (and just found out I'll probably have a new one,
   a semi, sort of, kind of data warehouse -- I need those books!)
  
  and there is me, my junior DBA who is not so junior anymore, and one
  consultant.
  
  And my CTO thinks that the DBAs are really just extra programming
  resources.
  
  So half the time we are doing non-DBA work.
  
  Oh yeah, and we don't have any of those high-falutin' database
   monitoring tools either :)
  
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   Bloody Hell, we have half that amount of systems yet only two DBAs.

 What

  on
  
   earth do they do with the rest of their time.
   
   
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   LOL...with 31 systems to support 24/7/365 if you threw a stone in any
   direction you would hit a DBA. At the last count I believe we had
12...!!
   
   
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   Sounds like your company is looking for a new DBA? :-
   
   Jan Pruner
   
   Dne ?t 30. srpen 2001 17:26 jste napsal(a):
 I have to say I resent being called a duhveloper, granted the
 majority couldn't tune a banjo let alone tune a piece of SQL, but
 as a techie
   
   (and
   
 we all are), I find this list invaluable for getting advice on a

 wide

   range
   
 of topics, not just keeping a DB up and running or tuned...I don't
  
  call
  
   you
   
 guys names, and let's face it you DB-ehs? couldn't write a decent
 application if your lives depended on 

RE: a little sql question

2001-09-03 Thread INF/MEKKAOUI



set feedback on

Best Regards,
Nabila Mekkaoui
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hi every body,
I need to insert in the end of a sql script, the number of rows returned.
how can i do that ?
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Re: Shutdown and archivelog mode

2001-09-03 Thread Saurabh Sharma

do a shutdown normal ALWAYS after issuing a shutdown abort.

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 Hi

 Using Oracle 8.1.6.3 on solaris 2.7.

 I am trying to put my database in archivelog mode.

 When I try to shutdown the database using shutdown immediate, it just sits
 there for ages.. (left it for 30 mins).

 I've cancelled this and done a shutdown abort. (tried normal shutdown
 after that, same)

 Due to this when I try to put it archivelog mode after shutdown abort I
 get a message saying that the database can't be put into archivelog mode
 because recovery is needed.

 TIA

 --
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RE: How to remove the old service of Oracle from win2k

2001-09-03 Thread Maya Kenner

in the RESKIT, you have a tool called SRVINSTW.exe that allows you to add/remove 
services.

/Maya

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Re: Shutdown and archivelog mode

2001-09-03 Thread A. Bardeen

Sajid,

The db must be cleanly shutdown (normal or immediate)
in order to change the archivelog mode.

A shutdown immediate may not shutdown immediately for
several reasons, most commonly:
  1.  There is an uncommitted transaction that needs
to roll back.
  2.  SMON is deallocating temp segments and there are
a very large # of them to deallocate (usually due to
the default extent sizes for the temporary tablespace
being too low).  See metalink note 61997.1 for an
excellent discussion on this.

HTH,

-- Anita

--- Sajid Iqbal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi
 
 Using Oracle 8.1.6.3 on solaris 2.7.
 
 I am trying to put my database in archivelog mode.
 
 When I try to shutdown the database using shutdown
 immediate, it just sits
 there for ages.. (left it for 30 mins).
 
 I've cancelled this and done a shutdown abort.
 (tried normal shutdown
 after that, same)
 
 Due to this when I try to put it archivelog mode
 after shutdown abort I
 get a message saying that the database can't be put
 into archivelog mode
 because recovery is needed.
 
 TIA
 
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Re: ergent help: ora-27091 on system tablespace

2001-09-03 Thread A. Bardeen

Corruption in the system datafile takes special
handling so if you haven't already done so I highly
recommend logging a tar with support.

If you are unable to even cp or dd the file then you
most likely have a problem with the file at the OS
level and you need to get that issue resolved.

As to your recovery situations, it depends on when
your last backup was taken and if the db is in
archivelog mode.

The best method if the db is in archivelog mode is to
identify a backup containing a clean version of the
datafile (i.e. one in which dbv doesn't report any
errors), restore that datafile from backup, and
recover it.  Since this is a datafile belonging to the
system tablespace you will need to shutdown the db and
do this from a mount stage.

I would highly recommend doing a full db export for
safekeeping in the event that there are any problems
with your backups.

HTH,

-- Anita

--- chao zhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hi, gurus:
 when i do a fulldatabase export, oracle error 27091
 appeard: 
 . . exporting table MHNK 
 EXP-8: ORACLE error 1115 encountered 
 ORA-01115: IO error reading block from file 1 (block
 #
 13095) 
 ORA-01110: data file 1:
 '/oracle/DEV/sapdata1/system_1/system.data1' 
 ORA-27091: skgfqio: unable to queue I/O 
 IBM AIX RISC System/6000 Error: 5: I/O error 
 Additional information: 13094 
 . exporting table  MHNKA
 EXP-8: ORACLE error 1115 encountered
 ORA-01115: IO error reading block from file 1 (block
 #
 13095)
 ORA-01110: data file 1:
 '/oracle/DEV/sapdata1/system_1/system.data1'
 ORA-27091: skgfqio: unable to queue I/O
 IBM AIX RISC System/6000 Error: 5: I/O error
 Additional information: 13094
 i checked the table, no record. 
 and no such 27091 message in alertsid.log. 
 
 i checked dba_extents, with block_id between 13094
 and
 13096, the table is a SAPR3 table:agr_1250? isn't a
 system table!
 
 i run dbverify and it reported error message: 
 
 DEV_SVC:oradev 13 dbv file=system.data1
 blocksize=8192 
 
 DBVERIFY: Release 8.1.7.0.0 - Production on Sun Sep
 2
 16:49:10 2001 
 
 (c) Copyright 2000 Oracle Corporation. All rights
 reserved. 
 
 DBVERIFY - Verification starting : FILE =
 system.data1
 
 
 DBV-00102: File I/O error on FILE (system.data1)
 during verification read operation (-2) 
 so, it seems the datafile has corrupted, and i do
 not
 know when it corrupted. 
   Shall i just recreate the tables affected, or
 restore the database. 
 
 If restore, when to begin? I do not know when it
 corrupted, since no error message in alertsid.log? 
 
 And now i cannot backup the corrupted datafile,
 neither through cp or dd.It always abort at the
 middle
 of the datafile.
 
 thanks. 
 
 
 

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IMP-00069 error when importing 8.1.7 export

2001-09-03 Thread Schoen Volker

Hi list,

I have a problem when importing a 8.1.7 export to my 8.1.7.0.1 Oracle on
Linux. Export was done with characterset UTF8, I tried to import with
characterset WE8ISO8859P1, WE8ISO8859P1 and UTF8; nothing works. Any help is
welcome.

TIA

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Re: Analyze all indexed columns

2001-09-03 Thread A. Bardeen

Iain,

This is covered in greater detail in the SQL Reference
manual under the Analyze command, but here's a summary
of the basics.

Computing/estimating statistics on the table (without
a FOR clause) calculates/estimates stats for the table
and its indexes.

The for clause has the following options:
  For Table - table stats only

  For Columns column_list
  All Columns
  For All Indexed Columns - gathers column stats on
the specified columns, all columns, or only the
indexed columns.  If the SIZE option is also included,
then histogram information is gathered as well.

For more details on histograms see metalink note
1031826.6 Histograms: An Overview

Some key details to consider before using histograms:
  *  they are not used with bind variables.
  *  they are useful only if the data is heavily
skewed (i.e. it's not uniformly distributed)

HTH,

-- Anita

--- Nicoll, Iain (Calanais)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Apologies for what is probably a really simple
 question but what is the
 default behaviour of 
 
 analyze table table_name compute statistics
 
 and would 
 
 analyze table table_name compute statistics for
 table for indexed columns
 for all indexes
 
 be any better/worse than analyzing separately
 
 eg
 
 analyze table table_name compute statistics
 analyze table table_name compute statistics for all
 indexed columns
 analyze index index_name compute statistics
 
 Version is Oracle 7.3.  The only references I've got
 access to don't appear
 to make it clear.
 
 TIA
 
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Re: How to remove the old service of Oracle from win2k

2001-09-03 Thread A. Bardeen


A sneaky little trick on 8.0.6 and below is to use
oradim to remove the service.

ORADIMxx -DELETE -SRVC service_name
  where ORADIMxx is oradim73 or oradim80
service_name is the name of the service to be
deleted (it is not case sensitive)

  Be very careful as you can use this to delete
non-Oracle services as well, so use at your own risk!

They fixed oradim in 8i and above so that it can be
used to delete only services named oracleservicesid

HTH,

-- Anita

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After I tried with difference listener name in
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 OracleTNSListener80, OracleTNSListener80list804,
 OracleTNSListener80List805 and so on.
They were generated automatically each time I
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But how can I remove them?
Thanks.
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Re: NLS_LANG

2001-09-03 Thread A. Bardeen

Jan and Todd,

In Oracle8 and above this can be done provided you
want to convert the db to a strict superset of the
existing character set (e.g. US7ASCII to
WE8ISO8859P1).  Otherwise the only supported option is
to recreate the db via export/import.

See the following metalink docs:

Note: 123670.1 Use Scanner Utility before Altering
the Database Character Set
Note: 66320.1 V8: Changing the Database National
Character Set
Note: 119164.1 Changing Database Character set -
Valid Superset definitions

HTH,

-- Anita
--- Jan Pruner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 No way, only recreate the database.
 
 Jan Pruner
 
 Dne p?1. srpen 2001 18:08 jste napsal(a):
  Does anyone know how or if it is possible to
 change the NLS_LANG value for
  a database that has already been created?
  I believe the answer is no, but I wanted a sanity
 check (Lord knows I need
  one). Thanks.
 
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OL$ and OL$HINTS Tablespace

2001-09-03 Thread Larry Elkins

Listers,

I don't have access to Metalink so I can't check this out. Does Oracle
support moving the OL$ and OL$HINTS tables to a different tablespace, or,
do they frown upon this? I know they used to have note talking about moving
the AUD$ table and index to a different tablespace, but, it seems like
someone mentioned that Oracle now frowns upon that as well.

Regards,

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migrating from 8.0.5 to 8.1.7

2001-09-03 Thread Djaroud Salim

hi migrator,
any one have problems with packages or stored procedures ??

wait a feedback ! thanks
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RE: UNIX LINKS QUESTION ??

2001-09-03 Thread Deshpande, Kirti

I have not used this, but Don Burleson has a book : Unix for Oracle DBAs
Pocket Reference 
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/unixoracledbapr/

HTH,

Regards,

- Kirti Deshpande 
  Verizon Information Services
   http://www.superpages.com

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RE: ORA-27146: post/wait initialization failed

2001-09-03 Thread Maya Kenner

Hi,

You can find the info you're looking for in the install guide , chapter 2 
Pre-installation Configuring the Kernel for Oracle8i.

I had to increase the semaphores when I tried to create a 2nd instance on my server, 
it was working fine at first db creation.

I used the default values that doc provided and increased the SEMMNS to 500.

/Maya

Hi

Using  Oracle 8.1.6.3 on Solaris 2.7.

I get this error   ORA-27146: post/wait initialization failed 
when trying to startup my database.. if I reboot the machine then it
starts up without problems..

From reading previous e-mails.. I'm led to belive that the semaphores need
to be increased.
Does anyone know how to do this, also how to calculate how much to
increase by etc

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Re: NLS_LANG

2001-09-03 Thread Jan Pruner

Nice, but it never works for me.
I have tried to convert from ee8mswin1250 to utf8 and it didn't convert right 
the czech signs.

JP

Dne po  3. zá?í 2001 15:50 jste napsal(a):
 Jan and Todd,

 In Oracle8 and above this can be done provided you
 want to convert the db to a strict superset of the
 existing character set (e.g. US7ASCII to
 WE8ISO8859P1).  Otherwise the only supported option is
 to recreate the db via export/import.

 See the following metalink docs:

 Note: 123670.1 Use Scanner Utility before Altering
 the Database Character Set
 Note: 66320.1 V8: Changing the Database National
 Character Set
 Note: 119164.1 Changing Database Character set -
 Valid Superset definitions

 HTH,

 -- Anita

 --- Jan Pruner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  No way, only recreate the database.
 
  Jan Pruner
 
  Dne p?1. srpen 2001 18:08 jste napsal(a):
   Does anyone know how or if it is possible to
 
  change the NLS_LANG value for
 
   a database that has already been created?
   I believe the answer is no, but I wanted a sanity
 
  check (Lord knows I need
 
   one). Thanks.
  
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Re: INDEXLEME ONEMLI

2001-09-03 Thread Bunyamin K. Karadeniz

Thank you Rahul ,   It worked perfect . :))
Bunyamin
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instead of ORDER BY  use YADAYADA BU , it will work
:-)


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 Yes.

 :-

 Dne po  3. zá?í 2001 10:20 jste napsal(a):
  Arkadaþlar ,
 
  Form içinde yaptýðýnýz ORDER BY, GROUP BY gibi fonksiyonlarý hangi
  tablolarýn hangi alanlarýnda yaptýðýnýzý bir yerlere lütfen yazýn. Bu
  alanlarda index yaratýlacaktýr.
 
  Form da blok propertilerinde order by yaparsanýz onu da yazýn .
 
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Re: IMP-00069 error when importing 8.1.7 export

2001-09-03 Thread Oliver Artelt


Hi,

can you export your 81700 db with the 81701 exp utility?

oli

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RE: !! Keeping the list alive

2001-09-03 Thread Kimberly Smith

Man, I remember the day when there were about 60 IT staff here.
Now, I believe its under 20 or will be very shortly.  It was a 
tough week here last week.  We had to match what our client was
letting go so we did that no problem.  Pretty much everyone is
off to another project from us.  But to come in every morning and
see the Fujitsu HR department catching people at the door before
going into the Fab to give them their walking papers was tough.
Its the first place I have worked at that has gone through that
(while I was there).  I believe some upper management will get
their papers this week.

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if 40 is small, is 16 microscopic? (and of that 16, 5 are consultants)


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Just to add to my previous comment:

I'm working at a company with small ( 40 or so ) IS shop.

The weak do not survive in this environment.  The developers
I work with here are great.  They're bright, hard working and
un-egotistical.  They are even will to take direction from the
DBA in database related matters.

Not a duhveloper in the bunch.

Ya gotta love it!

Jared

On Thursday 30 August 2001 14:16, you wrote:
  Um, Kevin, if the shoe doesn't fit, then don't wear it.  :)
 
  Not all developers are duhvelopers, in fact, most of the ones I know
  are very good, but the ones that are duhvelopers require
  so much attention that it kind of wears on you.  :)
 
  And some of us DB-ehs can do just fine writing apps, thank you,
  but we choose a path that requires less 'direction' from users.  ;)
 
  Jared
 
 
 
 
 
  Thomas, Kevin
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of
  list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] anais.com  cc:
  Sent by:Subject: RE: !! Keeping 
the
  list alive [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
  08/30/01 08:26 AM
  Please respond to
  ORACLE-L
 
 
 
 
 
 
  I have to say I resent being called a duhveloper, granted the majority
  couldn't tune a banjo let alone tune a piece of SQL, but as a techie 
(and
  we
  all are), I find this list invaluable for getting advice on a wide range

of
  topics, not just keeping a DB up and running or tuned...I don't call you
  guys names, and let's face it you DB-ehs? couldn't write a decent
  application if your lives depended on it...
 
  (blue touch-paper lit, retire a distance, do not re-approach once lit, 
and
  wait for fireworks)
 
 
  hit any user to continue
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  -Original Message-
  Sent: 30 August 2001 15:46
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 
  no, those posts keep us underworked DBAs from killing the duhvelopers 
who
 
  make us do the same thing over and over and over and who never listen 
when
  we tell them the correct way to design the tables.
 
  :)
 
  From: Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
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  Just look at the number of OT postings in the last couple of months...
  
  : )
  
  Patrice Boivin
  Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
  
  Systems Admin  Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
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You're surprised at those willing to pay?
  
You have to realize that most DBAs are over-payed and
 
  under-worked
 
  
ducking
  
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 This list is apparently a more valuable resource to many of
 
  you
 
  than I
  
 realized.

 I'm literally bowled over by the generosity.  I've received
 so many emails
 about
  

RE: OT RE: database consistency tools ?

2001-09-03 Thread Kimberly Smith

Um, headphones?  I would die to be able to play music at work.
For some reasons safety won't let us.  They claim its because
then we can't hear the overheads.  Damn, I can't remember the last
time I was able to make one out anyway

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not where I work, everyone has their personal stereo (company provided, we 
are a music site, in part) cranked up way too high.

Interesting sounds when you combine hip-hop, heavy metal and classic rock



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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:20:29 -0800

If the DBA screams bloody murder and loses his or her mind,
does anybody hear?

  -Original Message-
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  Yea yea yeait's like If God is All Powerful,
  can He make a rock so heavy even He can't pick it up?
 
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  SHE dares to say she ain't no goddess.
 
 
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  NoRachel is God(dess).   Dare anyway say She Know Less?
  
  EG
  
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  you all really have an overinflated idea of my knowledge base. sheesh!
  
  
  
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   Me too, plus Informix (plus DB26000 for about 2 months) although as
  with
   Oracle Rachel has probably forgotten more than I know :-)
   
   Lee
   
   
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   oh brother, here we go again. Do I dare tell you I was an Ingres DBA
  too?
   :)
   
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Rachel, you were a sybase DBA, the goddess notches another one on 
her
belt.

joe

Rachel Carmichael wrote:
 
  Jared,
 
  having been a sybase dba (I know, forgive me for straying)... we
  ran
dbcc a
  lot.
 
  Oracle equivalent (poor equivalent) would be analyze table
  validate
  structure  maybe?
 
  Rachel

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RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?

2001-09-03 Thread Rachel Carmichael

well, we don't send it out of pl/sql directly,  we run shell scripts that 
run the sql, then use shell to check the results and if it meets the send a 
message criteria, we use mail or mailx to send it.

you can use pipes to call unix shell programs though



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Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 01:40:35 -0800

OOooh, that's something I want to be able to do is to send email to us
in case of problems...I can send email from OraForms using Outlook but
I've not got round to checking out how I send email from a Unix box
via pl/sql or the likesany suggestions?

K.

hit any user to continue
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we have homegrown shell scripts -- page us, email us, send daily status of
the world reports... works!



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 Database monitoring toolsthrrp! We wrote our own using Java and lots 
of
 SQL are shell scripts...patchy but it works ;-)
 
 
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 Sent: 31 August 2001 14:17
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 I've got 11 databases (and just found out I'll probably have a new one, a
 semi, sort of, kind of data warehouse -- I need those books!)
 
 and there is me, my junior DBA who is not so junior anymore, and one
 consultant.
 
 And my CTO thinks that the DBAs are really just extra programming
 resources.
 
 So half the time we are doing non-DBA work.
 
 Oh yeah, and we don't have any of those high-falutin' database monitoring
 tools either :)
 
 
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  Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 02:55:26 -0800
  
  Bloody Hell, we have half that amount of systems yet only two DBAs. 
What
 on
  earth do they do with the rest of their time.
  
  
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  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  
  
  LOL...with 31 systems to support 24/7/365 if you threw a stone in any
  direction you would hit a DBA. At the last count I believe we had 
12...!!
  
  
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  Sounds like your company is looking for a new DBA? :-
  
  Jan Pruner
  
  Dne ?t 30. srpen 2001 17:26 jste napsal(a):
I have to say I resent being called a duhveloper, granted the 
majority
couldn't tune a banjo let alone tune a piece of SQL, but as a techie
  (and
we all are), I find this list invaluable for getting advice on a 
wide
  range
of topics, not just keeping a DB up and running or tuned...I don't
 call
  you
guys names, and let's face it you DB-ehs? couldn't write a decent
application if your lives depended on it...
   
(blue touch-paper lit, retire a distance, do not re-approach once 
lit,
  and
wait for fireworks)
   
   
hit any user to continue
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Kevin Thomas
Technical Analyst
Deregulation Services
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(2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)
Tel: 0141 568 2377
Fax: 0141 568 2366
http://www.calanais.com
   
   
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Sent: 30 August 2001 15:46
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
   
   
   
no, those posts keep us underworked DBAs from killing the
 duhvelopers
  who
make us do the same thing over and over and over and who never 
listen
  when
we tell them the correct way to design the tables.
   
:)
   
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 04:00:52 -0800

Just look at the number of OT postings in the last couple of
 months...

: )

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Re: tablespace corrupted and no backup , how to remove it ?

2001-09-03 Thread Rachel Carmichael

Why would you be annoyed that the database doesn't open with a corrupted 
tablespace? That's what';s SUPPOSED to happen.

okay, we just did this a few days ago but here it is again:

startup mount
alter database datafile 'filename' offline drop; (repeat this for every 
datafile in the tablespace)

alter database open;
drop tablespace tablespace name including contents;


that will get rid of the tablespace


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Subject: tablespace corrupted and no backup , how to remove it ?
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 06:10:22 -0800

Hello,

I succeed corrupting a tablespace but now I am a little bit annnoyed as my
db does not want to go in OPEN mode,
I would like to remove this tablespace but I failed.

Any idea how to?

Thanks,
Maya


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Standby database

2001-09-03 Thread nlzanen1



Hi All,


I'm resaerching standby database on 8.0.5 here and have a question.
Setting up the standby database is quite well documented, but how to
configure the clients in such a way that they will first try the primary
site and if that's not responding try the standby site. Oracle
documentation did not give me satisfactory result.


TIA


Jack

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Re: OL$ and OL$HINTS Tablespace

2001-09-03 Thread Connor McDonald

yes they do support it.

hth
connor

 --- Larry Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Listers,
 
 I don't have access to Metalink so I can't check
 this out. Does Oracle
 support moving the OL$ and OL$HINTS tables to a
 different tablespace, or,
 do they frown upon this? I know they used to have
 note talking about moving
 the AUD$ table and index to a different tablespace,
 but, it seems like
 someone mentioned that Oracle now frowns upon that
 as well.
 
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RE: !! Keeping the list alive

2001-09-03 Thread Connor McDonald

Time to chip in my horror story (and why I'll never do
permie again).  Company in OZ decided to cut down
numbers.  Bosses walked around with security guards
into each persons office and tell them they have 5
minutes to leave to premises and give them a ticket
which has a 15minute after-hours timeslot in which
they will have a supervised cleanout of their
desk/office etc.

They were marched down the lift and out into the
street.  I only knew this because the girl that gave
me a lift to work phoned me from home and said sorry,
can't take you home, my job is gone

So - if you ever get a chance to work for BHP in
Australia  :-(

Cheers
Connor

 --- Kimberly Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:  Man, I remember the day when there were about
60 IT
 staff here.
 Now, I believe its under 20 or will be very shortly.
  It was a 
 tough week here last week.  We had to match what our
 client was
 letting go so we did that no problem.  Pretty much
 everyone is
 off to another project from us.  But to come in
 every morning and
 see the Fujitsu HR department catching people at the
 door before
 going into the Fab to give them their walking papers
 was tough.
 Its the first place I have worked at that has gone
 through that
 (while I was there).  I believe some upper
 management will get
 their papers this week.
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 9:05 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 if 40 is small, is 16 microscopic? (and of that 16,
 5 are consultants)
 
 
 From: Jared Still [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: !! Keeping the list alive
 Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 12:35:23 -0800
 
 
 Just to add to my previous comment:
 
 I'm working at a company with small ( 40 or so ) IS
 shop.
 
 The weak do not survive in this environment.  The
 developers
 I work with here are great.  They're bright, hard
 working and
 un-egotistical.  They are even will to take
 direction from the
 DBA in database related matters.
 
 Not a duhveloper in the bunch.
 
 Ya gotta love it!
 
 Jared
 
 On Thursday 30 August 2001 14:16, you wrote:
   Um, Kevin, if the shoe doesn't fit, then don't
 wear it.  :)
  
   Not all developers are duhvelopers, in fact,
 most of the ones I know
   are very good, but the ones that are duhvelopers
 require
   so much attention that it kind of wears on you. 
 :)
  
   And some of us DB-ehs can do just fine writing
 apps, thank you,
   but we choose a path that requires less
 'direction' from users.  ;)
  
   Jared
  
  
  
  
  
   Thomas, Kevin
   Kevin.Thomas@cal   To: 
Multiple recipients 
 of
   list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] anais.com 
 cc:
   Sent by:   
 Subject: RE: !! Keeping 
 the
   list alive [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
   08/30/01 08:26 AM
   Please respond to
   ORACLE-L
  
  
  
  
  
  
   I have to say I resent being called a
 duhveloper, granted the majority
   couldn't tune a banjo let alone tune a piece of
 SQL, but as a techie 
 (and
   we
   all are), I find this list invaluable for
 getting advice on a wide range
 
 of
   topics, not just keeping a DB up and running or
 tuned...I don't call you
   guys names, and let's face it you DB-ehs?
 couldn't write a decent
   application if your lives depended on it...
  
   (blue touch-paper lit, retire a distance, do not
 re-approach once lit, 
 and
   wait for fireworks)
  
  
   hit any user to continue
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   Deregulation Services
   Calanais Ltd.
   (2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)
   Tel: 0141 568 2377
   Fax: 0141 568 2366
   http://www.calanais.com
  
  
   -Original Message-
   Sent: 30 August 2001 15:46
   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  
  
  
   no, those posts keep us underworked DBAs from
 killing the duhvelopers 
 who
  
   make us do the same thing over and over and over
 and who never listen 
 when
   we tell them the correct way to design the
 tables.
  
   :)
  
   From: Boivin, Patrice J
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: RE: !! Keeping the list alive
   Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 04:00:52 -0800
   
   Just look at the number of OT postings in the
 last couple of months...
   
   : )
   
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 des systèmes
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 technologiques
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 l'informatique
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 Maritimes, MPO
   
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 Sent: 

RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?

2001-09-03 Thread Thomas, Kevin

Yea, I've got the 'running the unix shell script' part down...did you see
the mails someone sent re: utl_smtp??


hit any user to continue
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Fax: 0141 568 2366
http://www.calanais.com


-Original Message-
Sent: 03 September 2001 17:35
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


well, we don't send it out of pl/sql directly,  we run shell scripts that 
run the sql, then use shell to check the results and if it meets the send a

message criteria, we use mail or mailx to send it.

you can use pipes to call unix shell programs though



From: Thomas, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 01:40:35 -0800

OOooh, that's something I want to be able to do is to send email to us
in case of problems...I can send email from OraForms using Outlook but
I've not got round to checking out how I send email from a Unix box
via pl/sql or the likesany suggestions?

K.

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Tel: 0141 568 2377
Fax: 0141 568 2366
http://www.calanais.com


-Original Message-
Sent: 31 August 2001 17:38
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


we have homegrown shell scripts -- page us, email us, send daily status of
the world reports... works!



 From: Thomas, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?
 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 05:47:12 -0800
 
 Database monitoring toolsthrrp! We wrote our own using Java and lots 
of
 SQL are shell scripts...patchy but it works ;-)
 
 
 __
 
 Kevin Thomas
 Technical Analyst
 Deregulation Services
 Calanais Ltd.
 (2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)
 Tel: 0141 568 2377
 Fax: 0141 568 2366
 http://www.calanais.com
 
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: 31 August 2001 14:17
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 I've got 11 databases (and just found out I'll probably have a new one, a
 semi, sort of, kind of data warehouse -- I need those books!)
 
 and there is me, my junior DBA who is not so junior anymore, and one
 consultant.
 
 And my CTO thinks that the DBAs are really just extra programming
 resources.
 
 So half the time we are doing non-DBA work.
 
 Oh yeah, and we don't have any of those high-falutin' database monitoring
 tools either :)
 
 
  From: Robertson Lee - lerobe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?
  Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 02:55:26 -0800
  
  Bloody Hell, we have half that amount of systems yet only two DBAs. 
What
 on
  earth do they do with the rest of their time.
  
  
  -Original Message-
  Sent: 31 August 2001 09:40
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  
  
  LOL...with 31 systems to support 24/7/365 if you threw a stone in any
  direction you would hit a DBA. At the last count I believe we had 
12...!!
  
  
  __
  
  Kevin Thomas
  Technical Analyst
  Deregulation Services
  Calanais Ltd.
  (2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)
  Tel: 0141 568 2377
  Fax: 0141 568 2366
  http://www.calanais.com
  
  
  -Original Message-
  Sent: 30 August 2001 17:22
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  
  
  Sounds like your company is looking for a new DBA? :-
  
  Jan Pruner
  
  Dne ?t 30. srpen 2001 17:26 jste napsal(a):
I have to say I resent being called a duhveloper, granted the 
majority
couldn't tune a banjo let alone tune a piece of SQL, but as a techie
  (and
we all are), I find this list invaluable for getting advice on a 
wide
  range
of topics, not just keeping a DB up and running or tuned...I don't
 call
  you
guys names, and let's face it you DB-ehs? couldn't write a decent
application if your lives depended on it...
   
(blue touch-paper lit, retire a distance, do not re-approach once 
lit,
  and
wait for fireworks)
   
   
hit any user to continue
__
   
Kevin Thomas
Technical Analyst
Deregulation Services
Calanais Ltd.
(2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)
Tel: 0141 568 2377
Fax: 0141 568 2366
http://www.calanais.com
   
   
-Original Message-
Sent: 30 August 2001 15:46
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
   
   
   
no, those posts keep us underworked DBAs from killing the
 duhvelopers
  who
make us do the same thing over and over and over and who never 
listen
  when
we tell them the correct way to design the tables.
   
:)
   
From: Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 

SEMAPHORES AND ORACLE

2001-09-03 Thread Veronica Levin

Hi listers,

AIX 4.3.3.0, Oracle 8.1.7

I have been recieving ORA-01041on some clients with Hostdef extension
doesn't exist

I searched Metalink looking for some answers and all the info points to
semaphores configuration vrs oracle processes.

Oracle processes is set to 500, but I don't know where to look at semaphores
parameters.
I found some info that says I should look at SEMMNS kernel parameter, but
can't find where and how to look for it.

I will appreciate any info on this topic, thanks!

Saludos, 
Veronica Levin Enriquez
Administrador AIX
Compañía Cervecera de Nicaragua

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RE: !! Keeping the list alive

2001-09-03 Thread Steven Hovington

That is disgraceful.  Here when people were let go they
were at least treated properly, given good packages (over and
above what was legally required), and the services of a 
careers counciller to help them prepare their cv, brush up on 
interview techniques  contact reqruitement agencies etc.  Even 
if they were pissed at being out of a job, they had no complaints 
as to how the company treated them.


Steven H.

-Original Message-
McDonald
Sent: 03 September 2001 18:25
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Time to chip in my horror story (and why I'll never do
permie again).  Company in OZ decided to cut down
numbers.  Bosses walked around with security guards
into each persons office and tell them they have 5
minutes to leave to premises and give them a ticket
which has a 15minute after-hours timeslot in which
they will have a supervised cleanout of their
desk/office etc.

They were marched down the lift and out into the
street.  I only knew this because the girl that gave
me a lift to work phoned me from home and said sorry,
can't take you home, my job is gone

So - if you ever get a chance to work for BHP in
Australia  :-(

Cheers
Connor


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Re: SEMAPHORES AND ORACLE

2001-09-03 Thread Jared Still


Veronica,

Oracle on AIX doesn't use semaphores, as AIX has it's own
post-wait driver and Oracle doesn't need it's own, hence
no semaphores.

Details:  
http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocument?p_database_id=NOTp_id=15566.1

Any other errors, stuff in the alert.log, etc?

Jared


On Monday 03 September 2001 10:55, Veronica Levin wrote:
 Hi listers,

 AIX 4.3.3.0, Oracle 8.1.7

 I have been recieving ORA-01041on some clients with Hostdef extension
 doesn't exist

 I searched Metalink looking for some answers and all the info points to
 semaphores configuration vrs oracle processes.

 Oracle processes is set to 500, but I don't know where to look at
 semaphores parameters.
 I found some info that says I should look at SEMMNS kernel parameter, but
 can't find where and how to look for it.

 I will appreciate any info on this topic, thanks!

 Saludos,
 Veronica Levin Enriquez
 Administrador AIX
 Compañía Cervecera de Nicaragua
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PL/SQL HEXTONUMBER

2001-09-03 Thread Andrey Bronfin


Dear lists !
Does anyone have a PL/SQL procedure converting a hexadecimal value to a
decimal one , please ?
Thanks a lot in advance !
DBAndrey

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Re: PL/SQL HEXTONUMBER

2001-09-03 Thread Connor McDonald

http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/faq/base_convert.html

 --- Andrey Bronfin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Dear lists !
 Does anyone have a PL/SQL procedure converting a
 hexadecimal value to a
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 Thanks a lot in advance !
 DBAndrey
 
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Calling C++ component from PL/SQL

2001-09-03 Thread Bhamini Desaic

Hi all,
  I have requirement of calling C++ component from PL/SQL. What should I 
do for this?
   For calling Java Class we have to first run initjvm.sql to load 
dbms_java packagae and then publish Java class. Then after we can call java 
class as function in PL/SQL. Similarly what are the steps for calling C++ 
component from PL/SQL.
   Any help will be highly appriciated.

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Re: How to remove the old service of Oracle from win2k

2001-09-03 Thread Paul Drake

WinterSun Zhao wrote:
 
 Hi, Experts:
After I tried with difference listener name in Win2K, it generated some services. 
Something like:
 OracleTNSListener80, OracleTNSListener80list804, OracleTNSListener80List805 and so 
on.
They were generated automatically each time I start the listener with a new 
listener name.
But how can I remove them?
Thanks.
   B.R.

Before removing services (or performing any sort of operations on the
registry)
I would highly recommend exporting the registry with regedit.exe.

It could mean the difference between a restore/re-install of the OS vs.
just importing the previous version of the registry. That's about 3
hours of downtime.

repentantly yours,

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Re: Smallest possible instance.

2001-09-03 Thread Paul Drake

Mark Leith wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 Does anybody know the smallest possible size (SGA etc.) that an instance can
 be, and still run and accept connections?
 
 We have a test laptop that will be running Oracle 8.1.7, along with some of
 our tools against it, so the instances only need to accept around 2-3
 connections..
 
 If you have a sample init file or something like that also, that would be
 great..
 
 Cheers
 
 Mark
 

Mark,

I had 8.1.7.0.2 running on a laptop (W2K Pro) with only 80 MB of RAM.
I think that the SGA was around 48 MB total, with only 8 MB set aside
for db_block_buffers.
Are you using Java? You can reclaim 20 MB by not using the default
settings for java_pool_size.

I'd try to disable as many operating system services as you can - or at
least set them to manual, so that they don't acquire resources at boot
time.

I'd also create the database elsewhere (on a machine with more
horsepower) and move it over to the laptop.

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Re: Datawarehouse suggestions?

2001-09-03 Thread Joe Testa

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RE: !! Keeping the list alive

2001-09-03 Thread Rachel Carmichael

I went through several major cuts when I worked at Citibank. The first one 
was the one best handled... by the time anyone was told about it, it was if 
you are here listening to me, you are NOT one of the ones let go

Worst was when we knew how many would be let go... and knew that they had 
let go one less than that number... and there was one person out on 
vacation. And they didn't catch him at the door. That was awkward to say the 
least


From: Kimberly Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 08:20:27 -0800

Man, I remember the day when there were about 60 IT staff here.
Now, I believe its under 20 or will be very shortly.  It was a
tough week here last week.  We had to match what our client was
letting go so we did that no problem.  Pretty much everyone is
off to another project from us.  But to come in every morning and
see the Fujitsu HR department catching people at the door before
going into the Fab to give them their walking papers was tough.
Its the first place I have worked at that has gone through that
(while I was there).  I believe some upper management will get
their papers this week.

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if 40 is small, is 16 microscopic? (and of that 16, 5 are consultants)


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 Subject: Re: !! Keeping the list alive
 Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 12:35:23 -0800
 
 
 Just to add to my previous comment:
 
 I'm working at a company with small ( 40 or so ) IS shop.
 
 The weak do not survive in this environment.  The developers
 I work with here are great.  They're bright, hard working and
 un-egotistical.  They are even will to take direction from the
 DBA in database related matters.
 
 Not a duhveloper in the bunch.
 
 Ya gotta love it!
 
 Jared
 
 On Thursday 30 August 2001 14:16, you wrote:
   Um, Kevin, if the shoe doesn't fit, then don't wear it.  :)
  
   Not all developers are duhvelopers, in fact, most of the ones I know
   are very good, but the ones that are duhvelopers require
   so much attention that it kind of wears on you.  :)
  
   And some of us DB-ehs can do just fine writing apps, thank you,
   but we choose a path that requires less 'direction' from users.  ;)
  
   Jared
  
  
  
  
  
   Thomas, Kevin
   Kevin.Thomas@cal   To: Multiple 
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   list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] anais.com  cc:
   Sent by:Subject: RE: !! 
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   08/30/01 08:26 AM
   Please respond to
   ORACLE-L
  
  
  
  
  
  
   I have to say I resent being called a duhveloper, granted the majority
   couldn't tune a banjo let alone tune a piece of SQL, but as a techie
 (and
   we
   all are), I find this list invaluable for getting advice on a wide 
range

 of
   topics, not just keeping a DB up and running or tuned...I don't call 
you
   guys names, and let's face it you DB-ehs? couldn't write a decent
   application if your lives depended on it...
  
   (blue touch-paper lit, retire a distance, do not re-approach once lit,
 and
   wait for fireworks)
  
  
   hit any user to continue
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   -Original Message-
   Sent: 30 August 2001 15:46
   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  
  
  
   no, those posts keep us underworked DBAs from killing the 
duhvelopers
 who
  
   make us do the same thing over and over and over and who never listen
 when
   we tell them the correct way to design the tables.
  
   :)
  
   From: Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
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   Just look at the number of OT postings in the last couple of 
months...
   
   : )
   
   Patrice Boivin
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   Systems Admin  Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
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Re: Standby database

2001-09-03 Thread Ray Stell

On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 08:45:24AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 Hi All,
 
 
 I'm resaerching standby database on 8.0.5 here and have a question.
 Setting up the standby database is quite well documented, but how to
 configure the clients in such a way that they will first try the primary
 site and if that's not responding try the standby site. Oracle
 documentation did not give me satisfactory result.
-- 


I don't think you want to do what you are saying.

For standby environment you would need to have some manual intervention
at the prod failure (well, I guess you could script it, but I
wouldn't).   What I'd do is configure the old prod host ip address on
the new prod host (the old standby that has been activated).  That way
you don't have to mess with a dns restart.  You may need to clear some
arp caches in some layer 2  3 network elements along the way,
however.  As an alternative, you could move the dns pointer record for
the db from the old prod host dns entry to the old standby entry, which
isn't a standby anymore, it is the new prod host.  Whichever is
easier.
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RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?

2001-09-03 Thread Rachel Carmichael

yup I did... and I also have a friend who has had tons of trouble setting up 
mail via utl_smtp

it's definitely a way to go though. it won't monitor things like disk space 
in the OS and you have to configure it and then set up the job in EACH db, 
instead of running through a list of databases in a single shell script.

I tend to like doing things once :)


From: Thomas, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 09:40:38 -0800

Yea, I've got the 'running the unix shell script' part down...did you see
the mails someone sent re: utl_smtp??


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Sent: 03 September 2001 17:35
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


well, we don't send it out of pl/sql directly,  we run shell scripts that
run the sql, then use shell to check the results and if it meets the send 
a

message criteria, we use mail or mailx to send it.

you can use pipes to call unix shell programs though



 From: Thomas, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?
 Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 01:40:35 -0800
 
 OOooh, that's something I want to be able to do is to send email to us
 in case of problems...I can send email from OraForms using Outlook but
 I've not got round to checking out how I send email from a Unix box
 via pl/sql or the likesany suggestions?
 
 K.
 
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 http://www.calanais.com
 
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: 31 August 2001 17:38
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 we have homegrown shell scripts -- page us, email us, send daily status 
of
 the world reports... works!
 
 
 
  From: Thomas, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?
  Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 05:47:12 -0800
  
  Database monitoring toolsthrrp! We wrote our own using Java and 
lots
 of
  SQL are shell scripts...patchy but it works ;-)
  
  
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  -Original Message-
  Sent: 31 August 2001 14:17
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  
  
  I've got 11 databases (and just found out I'll probably have a new one, 
a
  semi, sort of, kind of data warehouse -- I need those books!)
  
  and there is me, my junior DBA who is not so junior anymore, and one
  consultant.
  
  And my CTO thinks that the DBAs are really just extra programming
  resources.
  
  So half the time we are doing non-DBA work.
  
  Oh yeah, and we don't have any of those high-falutin' database 
monitoring
  tools either :)
  
  
   From: Robertson Lee - lerobe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?
   Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 02:55:26 -0800
   
   Bloody Hell, we have half that amount of systems yet only two DBAs.
 What
  on
   earth do they do with the rest of their time.
   
   
   -Original Message-
   Sent: 31 August 2001 09:40
   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
   
   
   LOL...with 31 systems to support 24/7/365 if you threw a stone in any
   direction you would hit a DBA. At the last count I believe we had
 12...!!
   
   
   __
   
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   Technical Analyst
   Deregulation Services
   Calanais Ltd.
   (2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)
   Tel: 0141 568 2377
   Fax: 0141 568 2366
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   -Original Message-
   Sent: 30 August 2001 17:22
   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
   
   
   Sounds like your company is looking for a new DBA? :-
   
   Jan Pruner
   
   Dne ?t 30. srpen 2001 17:26 jste napsal(a):
 I have to say I resent being called a duhveloper, granted the
 majority
 couldn't tune a banjo let alone tune a piece of SQL, but as a 
techie
   (and
 we all are), I find this list invaluable for getting advice on a
 wide
   range
 of topics, not just keeping a DB up and running or tuned...I don't
  call
   you
 guys names, and let's face it you DB-ehs? couldn't write a decent
 application if your lives depended on it...

 (blue touch-paper lit, retire a distance, do not re-approach once
 lit,
   and
 wait for fireworks)


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RE: OT RE: database consistency tools ?

2001-09-03 Thread Rachel Carmichael

well, the only announcements we ever hear are the monthly test of the fire 
alarms that seem to go off twice a week.



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Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 08:05:20 -0800

Um, headphones?  I would die to be able to play music at work.
For some reasons safety won't let us.  They claim its because
then we can't hear the overheads.  Damn, I can't remember the last
time I was able to make one out anyway

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not where I work, everyone has their personal stereo (company provided, we
are a music site, in part) cranked up way too high.

Interesting sounds when you combine hip-hop, heavy metal and classic rock



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 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:20:29 -0800
 
 If the DBA screams bloody murder and loses his or her mind,
 does anybody hear?
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Mohan, Ross [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 3:07 PM
   To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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   Yea yea yeait's like If God is All Powerful,
   can He make a rock so heavy even He can't pick it up?
  
   -Original Message-
   Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 2:21 PM
   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  
  
   SHE dares to say she ain't no goddess.
  
  
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   Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:47:15 -0800
   
   NoRachel is God(dess).   Dare anyway say She Know Less?
   
   EG
   
   -Original Message-
   Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 12:23 PM
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   you all really have an overinflated idea of my knowledge base. 
sheesh!
   
   
   
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 05:27:31 -0800

Me too, plus Informix (plus DB26000 for about 2 months) although as
   with
Oracle Rachel has probably forgotten more than I know :-)

Lee


-Original Message-
Sent: 31 August 2001 10:35
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



oh brother, here we go again. Do I dare tell you I was an Ingres 
DBA
   too?
:)

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 Rachel, you were a sybase DBA, the goddess notches another one on
 her
 belt.
 
 joe
 
 Rachel Carmichael wrote:
  
   Jared,
  
   having been a sybase dba (I know, forgive me for straying)... 
we
   ran
 dbcc a
   lot.
  
   Oracle equivalent (poor equivalent) would be analyze table
   validate
   structure  maybe?
  
   Rachel
 
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Re: Standby database

2001-09-03 Thread Rachel Carmichael


Well, you can configure the tnsnames.ora to check multiple listeners, so you 
do that... the first listener/port you check is the primary, the second is 
the standby



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Hi All,


I'm resaerching standby database on 8.0.5 here and have a question.
Setting up the standby database is quite well documented, but how to
configure the clients in such a way that they will first try the primary
site and if that's not responding try the standby site. Oracle
documentation did not give me satisfactory result.


TIA


Jack

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Re: ora-600/ora07445

2001-09-03 Thread Joe Testa

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usually 600/7445 errors need called into support, that would be the 1st
thing i'd do.

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Seema Singh wrote:
 
 Hi
 I have oracle8.1.7 on Solaris 2.7.
 I am getting following error message in my alert log.
 ORA-07445: exception encountered: core dump [dredseek()+388] [SIGSEGV]
 [Address not mapped to object] [97552987] [] []
 and
 ORA-00600: internal error code, arguments: [12700], [80087], [121694549],
 [23], [], [], [], []
 What could be reason?Please suggest.
 
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gzip'ing rman backups

2001-09-03 Thread Mark Teehan

Hi folks,
I want to gzip up my rman backups, which are to disk. I do a full at the
weekend, and archive logs daily. I know that rman cant cope with zipped
files, and I will have to unzip them myself before attempting a restore. My
question is - does rman ever check existing backup files - will it look for
the last full backup before backing up todays archive logs etc - or once
backed up, does it ignore backup files until I ask for a restore?

My databases's  are OLTP, with a datafile | tablespace containing each days
partitions. Apart from system, rbs there are only transaction tablespaces
(one per day) in the database. Assuming I can switch each transaction table
to read only at end of day, back it up as a datafile using rman, and back
up rbs  system, then I can can discard all archive logs for that day -
right? So a typical scenario will have 14 datafiles backed up (the DB keeps
2 weeks data), each with RBS  system from that day, and archivelogs for
the last day only for PIT recovery. Im about to spend a few days testing
this out - anyone know if it will work/fail?

Thanks
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Re: Re: How to remove the old service of Oracle from win2k

2001-09-03 Thread WinterSun Zhao

Hi, Bardeen:
  Thank you for your help.
  Because I had set my default Oracle_home pointed to the home of oracle8.1.7, so I 
removed the services of Oracle8 failed. 
  With your help, I set the oracle_home to the home of Oracle8 and then I used 
oradim80 and I can remove the services I didnot need.
  Thank you very much!


Wintersun Zhao
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 A sneaky little trick on 8.0.6 and below is to use
 oradim to remove the service.
 
 ORADIMxx -DELETE -SRVC service_name
   where ORADIMxx is oradim73 or oradim80
 service_name is the name of the service to be
 deleted (it is not case sensitive)
 
   Be very careful as you can use this to delete
 non-Oracle services as well, so use at your own risk!
 
 They fixed oradim in 8i and above so that it can be
 used to delete only services named oracleservicesid
 
 HTH,
 
 -- Anita
 
 --- WinterSun Zhao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi, Experts:
 After I tried with difference listener name in
  Win2K, it generated some services. Something like:
  OracleTNSListener80, OracleTNSListener80list804,
  OracleTNSListener80List805 and so on.
 They were generated automatically each time I
  start the listener with a new listener name.
 But how can I remove them?
 Thanks.
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Re: Re: How to remove the old service of Oracle from win2k

2001-09-03 Thread WinterSun Zhao

Hi, Bardeen:
  Thank you for your help.
  Because I had set my default Oracle_home pointed to the home of oracle8.1.7, so I 
removed the services of Oracle8 failed. 
  With your help, I set the oracle_home to the home of Oracle8 and then I used 
oradim80 and I can remove the services I didnot need.
  Thank you very much!


Wintersun Zhao
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


 
 A sneaky little trick on 8.0.6 and below is to use
 oradim to remove the service.
 
 ORADIMxx -DELETE -SRVC service_name
   where ORADIMxx is oradim73 or oradim80
 service_name is the name of the service to be
 deleted (it is not case sensitive)
 
   Be very careful as you can use this to delete
 non-Oracle services as well, so use at your own risk!
 
 They fixed oradim in 8i and above so that it can be
 used to delete only services named oracleservicesid
 
 HTH,
 
 -- Anita
 
 --- WinterSun Zhao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi, Experts:
 After I tried with difference listener name in
  Win2K, it generated some services. Something like:
  OracleTNSListener80, OracleTNSListener80list804,
  OracleTNSListener80List805 and so on.
 They were generated automatically each time I
  start the listener with a new listener name.
 But how can I remove them?
 Thanks.
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Re: Re: How to remove the old service of Oracle from win2k

2001-09-03 Thread WinterSun Zhao

Hi, Paul:
  Thank you for your help.
  The problem had been solved with the help of A. Bardeen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). 
  Thank you.

 WinterSun Zhao wrote:
  
  Hi, Experts:
 After I tried with difference listener name in Win2K, it generated some 
services. Something like:
  OracleTNSListener80, OracleTNSListener80list804, OracleTNSListener80List805 and so 
on.
 They were generated automatically each time I start the listener with a new 
listener name.
 But how can I remove them?
 Thanks.
B.R.
 
 Before removing services (or performing any sort of operations on the
 registry)
 I would highly recommend exporting the registry with regedit.exe.
 
 It could mean the difference between a restore/re-install of the OS vs.
 just importing the previous version of the registry. That's about 3
 hours of downtime.
 
 repentantly yours,
 
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Re: SEMAPHORES AND ORACLE

2001-09-03 Thread Mario Alberto Ramos Arellano

If you're on 8.1.7.0.0 it may be a bug.
Apply the latest patch.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/03/01 16:10 PM 

Veronica,

Oracle on AIX doesn't use semaphores, as AIX has it's own
post-wait driver and Oracle doesn't need it's own, hence
no semaphores.

Details:  
http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocument?p_database_id=NOTp_id=15566.1

Any other errors, stuff in the alert.log, etc?

Jared


On Monday 03 September 2001 10:55, Veronica Levin wrote:
 Hi listers,

 AIX 4.3.3.0, Oracle 8.1.7

 I have been recieving ORA-01041on some clients with Hostdef extension
 doesn't exist

 I searched Metalink looking for some answers and all the info points to
 semaphores configuration vrs oracle processes.

 Oracle processes is set to 500, but I don't know where to look at
 semaphores parameters.
 I found some info that says I should look at SEMMNS kernel parameter, but
 can't find where and how to look for it.

 I will appreciate any info on this topic, thanks!

 Saludos,
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Re: gzip'ing rman backups

2001-09-03 Thread Deepak Thapliyal

hi mark,

does rman ever check existing backup
 files - will it look for
 the last full backup before backing up todays
 archive logs etc 

RMAN simply backs up whatever u ask it to back up
(db/tblspace, etc) .. it does not do any sanity
checks.. note that it records all entries for
succesfull backups in the catalog db ( most of it in
the target control file also)

 back it up as a datafile
 using rman, and back
 up rbs  system, then I can can discard all archive
 logs for that day -
 right? 

after every full db backup, u no longer need the
archives. but folks still kep em to ensure that in
case restore using current full backup fails, then
they could restore using the not current full db
backup. ur method will work assuming that all other
tablespaces other than ur transaction tablespaces do
not change and are static .. so u will be able to
restore 100% even if u deleted ur archives at the end
of the day. (its a risky approach all the same .. i
feel)

hth
deepak
--- Mark Teehan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi folks,
 I want to gzip up my rman backups, which are to
 disk. I do a full at the
 weekend, and archive logs daily. I know that rman
 cant cope with zipped
 files, and I will have to unzip them myself before
 attempting a restore. My
 question is - does rman ever check existing backup
 files - will it look for
 the last full backup before backing up todays
 archive logs etc - or once
 backed up, does it ignore backup files until I ask
 for a restore?
 
 My databases's  are OLTP, with a datafile |
 tablespace containing each days
 partitions. Apart from system, rbs there are only
 transaction tablespaces
 (one per day) in the database. Assuming I can switch
 each transaction table
 to read only at end of day, back it up as a datafile
 using rman, and back
 up rbs  system, then I can can discard all archive
 logs for that day -
 right? So a typical scenario will have 14 datafiles
 backed up (the DB keeps
 2 weeks data), each with RBS  system from that day,
 and archivelogs for
 the last day only for PIT recovery. Im about to
 spend a few days testing
 this out - anyone know if it will work/fail?
 
 Thanks
 Mark Teehan
 Singapore.
 
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Re: ergent help: ora-27091 on system tablespace

2001-09-03 Thread chao zhu

hi, bardeen:
  Thanks for your reply.
  The database has a valid backup, and after the
backup, no further operation is done.So, what i shall
do is only to restore that full backup and it is OK.
  Now i wantto know why this happen, and if the disk
is error itself.For Oracle doesnot know it: without
any relevant message in alert file.
  thank u very much.
 --- A. Bardeen [EMAIL PROTECTED] µÄÕýÎÄ£º
Corruption in the system datafile takes special
 handling so if you haven't already done so I highly
 recommend logging a tar with support.
 
 If you are unable to even cp or dd the file then you
 most likely have a problem with the file at the OS
 level and you need to get that issue resolved.
 
 As to your recovery situations, it depends on when
 your last backup was taken and if the db is in
 archivelog mode.
 
 The best method if the db is in archivelog mode is
 to
 identify a backup containing a clean version of the
 datafile (i.e. one in which dbv doesn't report any
 errors), restore that datafile from backup, and
 recover it.  Since this is a datafile belonging to
 the
 system tablespace you will need to shutdown the db
 and
 do this from a mount stage.
 
 I would highly recommend doing a full db export for
 safekeeping in the event that there are any problems
 with your backups.
 
 HTH,
 
 -- Anita
 
 --- chao zhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  hi, gurus:
  when i do a fulldatabase export, oracle error
 27091
  appeard: 
  . . exporting table MHNK 
  EXP-8: ORACLE error 1115 encountered 
  ORA-01115: IO error reading block from file 1
 (block
  #
  13095) 
  ORA-01110: data file 1:
  '/oracle/DEV/sapdata1/system_1/system.data1' 
  ORA-27091: skgfqio: unable to queue I/O 
  IBM AIX RISC System/6000 Error: 5: I/O error 
  Additional information: 13094 
  . exporting table  MHNKA
  EXP-8: ORACLE error 1115 encountered
  ORA-01115: IO error reading block from file 1
 (block
  #
  13095)
  ORA-01110: data file 1:
  '/oracle/DEV/sapdata1/system_1/system.data1'
  ORA-27091: skgfqio: unable to queue I/O
  IBM AIX RISC System/6000 Error: 5: I/O error
  Additional information: 13094
  i checked the table, no record. 
  and no such 27091 message in alertsid.log. 
  
  i checked dba_extents, with block_id between 13094
  and
  13096, the table is a SAPR3 table:agr_1250? isn't
 a
  system table!
  
  i run dbverify and it reported error message: 
  
  DEV_SVC:oradev 13 dbv file=system.data1
  blocksize=8192 
  
  DBVERIFY: Release 8.1.7.0.0 - Production on Sun
 Sep
  2
  16:49:10 2001 
  
  (c) Copyright 2000 Oracle Corporation. All rights
  reserved. 
  
  DBVERIFY - Verification starting : FILE =
  system.data1
  
  
  DBV-00102: File I/O error on FILE (system.data1)
  during verification read operation (-2) 
  so, it seems the datafile has corrupted, and i do
  not
  know when it corrupted. 
Shall i just recreate the tables affected, or
  restore the database. 
  
  If restore, when to begin? I do not know when it
  corrupted, since no error message in alertsid.log?
 
  
  And now i cannot backup the corrupted datafile,
  neither through cp or dd.It always abort at the
  middle
  of the datafile.
  
  thanks. 
  
  
  
 

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RE: !! Keeping the list alive

2001-09-03 Thread Deepak Thapliyal

someties i think life sucks .. screw oracle and 9i ..
give me some nice vacation time here .. i need a break
;) .. like most of ya'll in the list

enjoy
deepak

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