RE: Trigger

2001-12-26 Thread Nirmal Kumar Muthu Kumaran
Title: RE: Trigger





Hi


if (col1,col2,col3) are forming primary key means, then how come you 
insert value for any one of primary key columns, if so it would not give error for NOTNULL


nIRMAL,


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Hamid,


Change your trigger as follows:


Create or replace trigger cre_PK
before insert
declare
  loc_seq number;
begin
   select seqname.nextval into loc_seq from dual;
   insert into tableA(col1) values(loc_seq)
end
/



Hope this helps


Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional



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List,


I need some help for creating a trigger, here is my question?


I have a table  TABLEA(col1,col2,col3) col1 is Primary Key for this table
and an application insert records into this table, but I want to write a
trigger on this table to generate primary key with using nexval of a
sequence I have tried but doesn't work , if any of you have some sample or
some links I really appreciate,
This is my trigger:


Create or replace trigger cre_PK
before insert
insert into tableA(col1) values(seqname.nextval)
end


Thanks in Advance






Hamid Alavi
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Re: Help - DBA interview questions I faced

2001-12-26 Thread Dharani Ravi

Dear Ramesh D Papnoi,

Thanks for the info.  I will buy it.

Regards.
Dharan.
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> Once it is released I will defently purchase the
> book.
>  
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> is
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> employer told me that I am wrong.  Could you pl
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> 
> 
> 1)  When you enter 'sqlplus scott/tiger'  which
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> password is wrong from where oracle throws the msg ?
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RE: RE: Change PCTINCREAE for SYSTEM Tablespace

2001-12-26 Thread Nirmal Kumar Muthu Kumaran
Title: RE: RE: Change PCTINCREAE for SYSTEM Tablespace





Hi Tom,


Can you review my views in changing pctincrease value:


 If i'm creating database manualy without dbassistant,
The steps are,
1) CONNECT INTERNAL
2) CREATE DATABASE ( LOGFILES, A SINGLE DATAFILE FOR SYSTEM TABLESPACE AND other infos)
3) CREATING SYSTEM TABLESPACE
4) OTHER STEPS. GOING ON...


Now why not i can change the PCTINCREASE at the step3?...
In what way it'd affect the DB? And why we need to change sql.bsq instead?


Hope that i didn't say anything incorrect. Let me know ur valuable reply...


Nirmal.,


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Tom,


    I agree and disagree with you, respectfully.  Oracle does allow some changes
to be made to sql.bsq and they always leave the option open to make changes
after database creation and I don't see this request as all that odd.  But for
the most part if you do as recommended and leave the system tablespace to sys
only you should not have a problem.  That is until migration time!!


Dick Goulet


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Kimberly,


I would agree with you if an experienced DBA makes the decision to change
the storage parameters, and they absolutely know what the benfits would be.


Generally speaking though, I think changing anything in the SYSTEM
tablespace is bad practice.


Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional



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Actually, I would not ignore the storage parameters of the SYSTEM
tablespace.
There are legit reasons to change the pctincrease to 0.  If you leave it at
50 then SMON (or PMON can't remember at the moment) will try to coalesce the
tablespace every time it wakes up.  Its work it has to do that it really
does
not need to do.  Better off scheduling to happen at your time schedule.


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Ken,


Do yourself a favor.  Ignore the SYSTEM tablespace storage params.  The ONLY
thing you should concern yourself in regard with the SYSTEM tablespace is if
the file needs to extend itself because it is too full.  All other storage
parameters are created by Oracle at database create time and should not be
changed.


For other tablespaces, you can change this parameter anytime after the
tablespace has been created.  It will not, however, change existing extents,
but will be used when new extents are allocated.


Hope this helps.


Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional



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Is there any way that I can change the PCTINCREASE for the SYSTEM tablespace
without recreating the DB?  For some reason the person who created the DB I
am working on set PCTINCREASE to 50 (or didn't did not include this
parameter).    I am using this DB for a data conversion so there is no
software connected to it and in turn no users on it.


Thanks,
Ken Janusz, CPIM
Database Conversion Lead
Sufficient Systems, Inc.
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Oracle Client Installation.

2001-12-26 Thread Ali TOYGAR



Hi, 
 
    I develop applications with 
Delphi 5 Client/Server suit. I used Oracle Database. (with BDE connection) 
 I have a problem with client side. To run my program  on some client 
machine , I install oracle client for this machine. Is there any way to run my 
program on client without installing oracle client. BECAUSE , when client number 
increase , my job become difficult , every time I take oracle client CD and 
install one machine then install other machine ...( I do not give oracle cd to 
clients beacause client do not know configuration)
 
 
 is there simple way to make setup disk with 
including my application file plus oracle client files to install client side ? 

 
 
 
I hope you will understand my 
question.
 
Thank You.
 
 


Regarding report configuration

2001-12-26 Thread Santosh Varma



i wrote some 
reports in informix(.ace files). but recently we r shifting to oracle database. 
anybody having idea how to configure .ace files ?? any tool in oracle which we 
can use without much effort from our side to configure .ace files 
?
 
i hope i am 
clear. if not, please revert back to me.
 
regards,
santosh


Re: Help - DBA interview questions I faced

2001-12-26 Thread Rachel Carmichael

you can get the documentation online.  read it.

according to the publishers, DBA 101 has been released in India.

and it is available on the internet at any of the online book stores


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>  In India Oracle DBA 101 book is not yet released. 
> Once it is released I will defently purchase the book.
>  
> 
> Regarding Question No.1, I told that Server Process is
> the background process and sysauth or objauth view is
> used to  check for username and password.  The
> employer told me that I am wrong.  Could you pl
> clarify.
> 
> 
> 1)  When you enter 'sqlplus scott/tiger'  which
> background process checks for authentication ?  From
> which table/view it checks for authentication ?  If
> password is wrong from where oracle throws the msg ? 
> 
> Regards.
> Dharan.
> 
> 
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Re: Help - DBA interview questions I faced

2001-12-26 Thread Rachel Carmichael

dba 101 is not by gaja and kirti -- that's performance tuning 101 which
is indeed an excellent book

dba 101 is theriault, carmichael and viscusi.
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> already have one. Excelent book!!
> 
> Regards,
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> Oracle DBA @ Chemtex Global Engineers Pvt. Ltd., Mumbai, India
> (BrainBench & Brainbuzz Certified Oracle 8/8i DBA & Developer)
> http://www22.Brinkster.com/rpapnoi
> 
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> To: internet["Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L"
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> Dear Rachel,
> 
> Thanks for your reply and guidance.  Also thanks to
> Kirti Deshpande and Jenny Jacobson  for their replies.
>  In India Oracle DBA 101 book is not yet released. 
> Once it is released I will defently purchase the book.
>  
> 
> Regarding Question No.1, I told that Server Process is
> the background process and sysauth or objauth view is
> used to  check for username and password.  The
> employer told me that I am wrong.  Could you pl
> clarify.
> 
> 
> 1)  When you enter 'sqlplus scott/tiger'  which
> background process checks for authentication ?  From
> which table/view it checks for authentication ?  If
> password is wrong from where oracle throws the msg ? 
> 
> Regards.
> Dharan.
> 
> 
> 
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Oracle Internet Directory

2001-12-26 Thread Eca Eca

Hi Friend :

Does anyone use Oracle Internet Directory ?

How does it work ?

What is the password and the user that need I to use to connect with
the
utility oidmon ?

Why is it used ? For to build hierarquical structure ? Just it ?

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Re: Help - DBA interview questions I faced

2001-12-26 Thread Rachel Carmichael

and eventually, when they realize they can't find that omniscient
person, they come back to reality


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> 
> That worked in the "good old days" (pre-2001), not any more, not by a
> long shot
> These days one is expected to be EXPERT of everything the employers
> list
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> this and
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> 
> Oracle guru ? you'd wish it's so simple...so Mr Xyz, do you know SQL
> Server ?
> Sybase ?
> MQ ? Java ? EJB? ASP? Data Warehousing ? data modeling ? Oracle Apps
> ?
> SAP? Essbase ?  Cognos ? Informatica ?
> 
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> techies is.
> You ARE expected to know everything !
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Re:database administration questions

2001-12-26 Thread dgoulet

With your current background, your more likely to land a job as a network
administrator LONG before you'll end up in a database position.  Access is still
looked on as a single user system and frankly I haven't run into any large scale
applications that use it, period.  One of my current tasks is working with a
forecasting package that states in the manual that Access should only be used
for the demos.  Any other application of the package should use Oracle or DB2. 
Also a SPC (Statistical Process Control, for those who don't know, don't ask
further) package we're evaluating (actually two of them) won't work with Access
even for the demos.  Therefore, I'd suggest staying with the networking world. 
It will be around as long as database administration, if not longer.  Your
already trained and certified, and getting a Cisco certification is no small
feat.  If you really want to move into database admin, your probably looking at
2 to 3 years of learning and smaller paychecks as you pay your dues.

BTW: A database restore usually takes a lot longer than fixing a network outage,
to boot.

Dick Goulet

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Date:   12/23/2001 11:15 PM

Hi!
I'm looking into getting into the field of Database Administrating.  Right 
now, I have experience with MS Access and have created several databases for 
companies that I have worked with in the past with Access.

I'm looking for a jump in my career and the next logical step for me, I would 
think, would be in database field.  However, I also have some networking 
knowledge (Cisco certified...).  So, I'm looking into the advantages of both 
fields.  I have some questions & I'm not sure who to ask or where to get my 
answers.  But, here they go:  

Questions for a Database Administrator:

1)  What is your typical workday like?
2) Do you work a lot of overtime?
3) What are the most valuable databse programs to learn?
4) If I was to look into learning these, should I take classes?  Where would 
you recommend I look for classes in the Los Angeles area?
5) What language, if any, are important (Java, XML, Visual Basic, etc.)?
6) What programs are starting to get obsolete?
7) Is it worth it to get vendor certifications (Microsoft, Oracle)? If so, 
are there certain books that you recommend to study?
8) Is it worth it to get a degree?  If so, what specific one?
9) Are there any other programs or technologies that are valuable to learn?
10) Are there any associations or other groups that you belong to as a DBA?
11) What kinds of companies hire DBAs?
12) What companies do you recommed to work for?  Know of any currently hiring?
13) With my background, what is the best way to advance and work my way into 
a real DBA position?

Thank you, whom ever reads this and answers back with at least some answers 
to some of the questions.  I really appreciate your help!!!
Please, respond to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

smiles, 
me

thank you!

Hi!
I'm looking into getting into the field of Database Administrating.
 Right now, I have experience with MS Access and have created several
databases for companies that I have worked with in the past with Access.

I'm looking for a jump in my career and the next logical step for me, I
would think, would be in database field.  However, I also have some
networking knowledge (Cisco certified...).  So, I'm looking into the
advantages of both fields.  I have some questions & I'm not sure who to
ask or where to get my answers.  But, here they go:  

Questions for a Database Administrator:

1)  What is your typical workday like?
2) Do you work a lot of overtime?
3) What are the most valuable databse programs to learn?
4) If I was to look into learning these, should I take classes?  Where
would you recommend I look for classes in the Los Angeles area?
5) What language, if any, are important (Java, XML, Visual Basic, etc.)?
6) What programs are starting to get obsolete?
7) Is it worth it to get vendor certifications (Microsoft, Oracle)? If so,
are there certain books that you recommend to study?
8) Is it worth it to get a degree?  If so, what specific one?
9) Are there any other programs or technologies that are valuable to learn?
10) Are there any associations or other groups that you belong to as a DBA?
11) What kinds of companies hire DBAs?
12) What companies do you recommed to work for?  Know of any currently
hiring?
13) With my background, what is the best way to advance and work my way into
a real DBA position?

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Re: Oracle Client Installation.

2001-12-26 Thread Jay Hostetter

You can create a Universal Installer response file which will automate the client 
installation.  You can mount the CD on a network device, or just copy it to a disk on 
a server so that you don't have to walk the CD to each PC.  

e.g. setup.exe -responsefile "l:\apps\oracle\816\User_Cdrive.rsp"

Search around on the CD for the sample files.  The active lines in our response file 
are:

FROM_LOCATION="g:\installs\oracle\816client\STAGE\PRODUCTS.JAR"
ORACLE_HOME="C:\Oracle\Ora816"
ORACLE_HOME_NAME="Oracle_816"
TOPLEVEL_COMPONENT={"oracle.client","8.1.6.0.0"}
SHOW_SPLASH_SCREEN=true
SHOW_WELCOME_PAGE=false
SHOW_COMPONENT_LOCATIONS_PAGE=false
SHOW_CUSTOM_TREE_PAGE=true
SHOW_SUMMARY_PAGE=false
SHOW_INSTALL_PROGRESS_PAGE=true
SHOW_REQUIRED_CONFIG_TOOL_PAGE=true
SHOW_OPTIONAL_CONFIG_TOOL_PAGE=false
SHOW_RELEASE_NOTES=false
SHOW_END_SESSION_PAGE=true
SHOW_EXIT_CONFIRMATION=false
NEXT_SESSION=false
NEXT_SESSION_ON_FAIL=false
[oracle.client_8.1.6.0.0]
COMPONENT_LANGUAGES={"en"}
INSTALL_TYPE="Custom"
DEPENDENCY_LIST={ 
"oracle.networking.netclt","8.1.6.0.0","oracle.utilities","8.1.6.0.0","oracle.networking.netcltprod","8.1.6.0.0"
 }
[oracle.utilities_8.1.6.0.0]
DEPENDENCY_LIST={ "oracle.rdbms.sqlplus","8.1.6.0.0" }
[oracle.p2k_8.1.6.0.0]
DEPENDENCY_LIST={ "oracle.p2k.devtools" }
[oracle.p2k.devtools_8.1.6.0.0]
DEPENDENCY_LIST={ "oracle.p2k.oo4o","8.1.6.3.6" }
[oracle.networking.netca_8.1.6.0.0]
OPTIONAL_CONFIG_TOOLS={}



Jay Hostetter
Oracle DBA
D. & E. Communications
Ephrata, PA  USA

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/26/01 05:05AM >>>
Hi, 

I develop applications with Delphi 5 Client/Server suit. I used Oracle Database. 
(with BDE connection)  I have a problem with client side. To run my program  on some 
client machine , I install oracle client for this machine. Is there any way to run my 
program on client without installing oracle client. BECAUSE , when client number 
increase , my job become difficult , every time I take oracle client CD and install 
one machine then install other machine ...( I do not give oracle cd to clients 
beacause client do not know configuration)


 is there simple way to make setup disk with including my application file plus oracle 
client files to install client side ? 



I hope you will understand my question.

Thank You.



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RE: Trigger

2001-12-26 Thread Naveen Nahata

Try this...

Create or replace trigger cre_PK 
before insert 
on tableA 
for each row
  
  SELECT seq.nextval INTO :new.col1 FROM dual;

end 



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* Oracle DBA /System Administrator Needed in Huntsville, AL..

2001-12-26 Thread OraStaff

Position: Oracle DBA / System Administrator-NT Required
Location: Huntsville, Alabama
Salary Range: 55-75K (includes bonus)

Description:
This manufacturing company in Huntsville needs an Oracle DBA/System
Administrator to provide
hardware and support support in an NT/Oracle/SAP environment.

MUST have Oracle, NT and SAP (or some other ERP software)
experience...though SAP is preferred.

This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third parties
please.

Please do not call or send a resume if you are not in the U.S. and/or need 
sponsorship.
 
-System Administrator Responsibilities will include:
Participates in the analysis, configuration and installation of hardware
products as part of IS.
Supports and maintain department servers to ensure the highest availability and 
optimum performance possible. Maintains software installed on departmental
servers to ensure 
the latest available version is installed as required. 
Supports client groups with on-going systems configurations and maintenance
of hardware
and operating systems. Directs projects of moderate scope. 
Provides technical leadership and application expertise to project teams. 

-DBA Responsibilities will include:
Setup maintain and generally administer the SAP R/3 Oracle Database
Be certain NT server's data are backed up; be certain hot patches are
current to within a 
certain number
Keep the Oracle database version current
Documentation of all major technical system operations.

Requirements:
*Bachelor's degree in computer science or related field is highly desired. 
*Four or more years of related experiece as required above. 
*Strong analytical and problem solving skills. 
*Excellent communications skills
* Must be a U.S. citizen or perm. resident.

For  immediate consideration, please email your resume as an attachment to:

OraStaff, Inc.
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Please Use Job Code: Doug/Hunstville/DBA-Sysadmin/Liz

I pay referral fees.
So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be qualified/interested
in the posiition described above- if it is not a match for your skills.
Thanks,
Bill Law


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Re: online backup help

2001-12-26 Thread Ruth Gramolini

Have a look at rman.  It allows online backups of databases if they are in
archivelog mode.  If you don't want to put your databases in archivelog mode
then rman can only backup them up when they are in mount state and
inavailable to users.

HTH,
Ruth
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Dear All,
We are in the planning/testing stage right now. I wanted to know if it is
possible to backup the Oracle database online, i.e. at the time Oracle
database is running. This is also called hot backup. If yes, do I have to
install the backup tape device to the same server where the Oracle is
installed? Or can I install tape drive to any other server and from there
also can I take online/hot backup of the oracle database?
Regards
Jain Anand

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XP vs. W2000

2001-12-26 Thread Ken Janusz

This question is a little off the mark.  I will be ordering a new Dell PC
(8200) in the near future.  I would like to know which OS I should go with.
XP Professional or W2000?  Any suggestions?  Anyone have any experience with
XP Prof.?  Pluses / minuses?

Thanks,

Ken
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RE: database administration questions

2001-12-26 Thread Kimberly Smith

If you work on a site like I do you could always cross train.  I am always
looking for suckers (um, people) to be my backup.  Right now I use one from
the Unix team and one from the development team.  Its the only way I get to
take vacations and what no.  Check with your current DBA and see if they are
willing to train you while you are off doing your 'real' job.  Of course,
there are some folks who are worried about job security (or are just
assholes)
and they would not give you the time of day.  You don't want to learn from
those folks anyway.  The excuse, "I'm too busy" is not really valid either.
Training someone allowed me to offload some of my work.

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With your current background, your more likely to land a job as a network
administrator LONG before you'll end up in a database position.  Access is
still
looked on as a single user system and frankly I haven't run into any large
scale
applications that use it, period.  One of my current tasks is working with a
forecasting package that states in the manual that Access should only be
used
for the demos.  Any other application of the package should use Oracle or
DB2.
Also a SPC (Statistical Process Control, for those who don't know, don't ask
further) package we're evaluating (actually two of them) won't work with
Access
even for the demos.  Therefore, I'd suggest staying with the networking
world.
It will be around as long as database administration, if not longer.  Your
already trained and certified, and getting a Cisco certification is no small
feat.  If you really want to move into database admin, your probably looking
at
2 to 3 years of learning and smaller paychecks as you pay your dues.

BTW: A database restore usually takes a lot longer than fixing a network
outage,
to boot.

Dick Goulet

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Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:   12/23/2001 11:15 PM

Hi!
I'm looking into getting into the field of Database Administrating.  Right
now, I have experience with MS Access and have created several databases for
companies that I have worked with in the past with Access.

I'm looking for a jump in my career and the next logical step for me, I
would
think, would be in database field.  However, I also have some networking
knowledge (Cisco certified...).  So, I'm looking into the advantages of both
fields.  I have some questions & I'm not sure who to ask or where to get my
answers.  But, here they go:

Questions for a Database Administrator:

1)  What is your typical workday like?
2) Do you work a lot of overtime?
3) What are the most valuable databse programs to learn?
4) If I was to look into learning these, should I take classes?  Where would
you recommend I look for classes in the Los Angeles area?
5) What language, if any, are important (Java, XML, Visual Basic, etc.)?
6) What programs are starting to get obsolete?
7) Is it worth it to get vendor certifications (Microsoft, Oracle)? If so,
are there certain books that you recommend to study?
8) Is it worth it to get a degree?  If so, what specific one?
9) Are there any other programs or technologies that are valuable to learn?
10) Are there any associations or other groups that you belong to as a DBA?
11) What kinds of companies hire DBAs?
12) What companies do you recommed to work for?  Know of any currently
hiring?
13) With my background, what is the best way to advance and work my way into
a real DBA position?

Thank you, whom ever reads this and answers back with at least some answers
to some of the questions.  I really appreciate your help!!!
Please, respond to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

smiles,
me

thank you!

Hi!
I'm looking into getting into the field of Database Administrating.
 Right now, I have experience with MS Access and have created several
databases for companies that I have worked with in the past with Access.

I'm looking for a jump in my career and the next logical step for me, I
would think, would be in database field.  However, I also have some
networking knowledge (Cisco certified...).  So, I'm looking into the
advantages of both fields.  I have some questions & I'm not sure
who to
ask or where to get my answers.  But, here they go:  

Questions for a Database Administrator:

1)  What is your typical workday like?
2) Do you work a lot of overtime?
3) What are the most valuable databse programs to learn?
4) If I was to look into learning these, should I take classes?
 Where
would you recommend I look for classes in the Los Angeles area?
5) What language, if any, are important (Java, XML, Visual Basic, etc.)?
6) What programs are starting to get obsolete?
7) Is it worth it to get vendor certifications (Microsoft, Oracle)? If
so,
are there certain books that you recommend to study?
8) Is it worth it to get a degree?  If so, what specific one?
9) Are there any other programs or technologies that are valuable to

Re: XP vs. W2000

2001-12-26 Thread Jared . Still


Forget it.

Get Suse  7.2 or 7.3, or the latest version of RedHat.

If you want to run Windoze too,  get VmWare or Win4Lin.

Win4Lin works with win95/98.

Vmware is more flexible and will work with Win2k.

I've found Win98 with Win4Lin to be more stable
than Win98 by itself.

Jared




   
   
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(8200) in the near future.  I would like to know which OS I should go with.
XP Professional or W2000?  Any suggestions?  Anyone have any experience
with
XP Prof.?  Pluses / minuses?

Thanks,

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Re: XP vs. W2000

2001-12-26 Thread Robert Chin

>
> Forget it.
> Get Suse  7.2 or 7.3, or the latest version of RedHat.

Yeah, LINUX is great but get ready to pull (some of) your hair
out installing Oracle. God help you. (or find a LINUX guru and pay him to do it)

Robert Chin

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RE: XP vs. W2000

2001-12-26 Thread Orr, Steve

How dogmatic of you Jared! Are you suffering windoze xenophobia? 

On my laptop I've got VMWare with Win2k and RedHat. I confess with shame
that win2k is my primary O/S and that I need windoze for MS Outlook. Also,
I'm addicted to MS Office. Addiction as in dependence on unhealthy things.
Sigh... I'm not Luke Skywalker... I've succombed to the dark side. 

Steve Orr


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Forget it.

Get Suse  7.2 or 7.3, or the latest version of RedHat.
If you want to run Windoze too,  get VmWare or Win4Lin.
Win4Lin works with win95/98.
Vmware is more flexible and will work with Win2k.
I've found Win98 with Win4Lin to be more stable
than Win98 by itself.

Jared




 

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This question is a little off the mark.  I will be ordering a new Dell PC
(8200) in the near future.  I would like to know which OS I should go with.
XP Professional or W2000?  Any suggestions?  Anyone have any experience
with XP Prof.?  Pluses / minuses?

Thanks,

Ken
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What's Oracle Trying to Hide ???

2001-12-26 Thread Orr, Steve

Here's a paste from the $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin/dbmsutil.sql script:
Rem dbms_system   - database system level commands (moved to
Rem prvtutil.sql for more obscurity)

Not only do they want to "obscure" the dbms_system package but I can't find
the prvtutil.sql script. Where is this stuff and why do they want to hide
it? Any ideas?

...Just found the ./rdbms/admin/prvtutil.plb file and now I'm wishing I
could un-"wrap" this "present" on boxing day!


Eschew Obfuscation,
Steve Orr
Skiing Bridger Bowl
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Re: XP vs. W2000

2001-12-26 Thread Dwayne Cox

I agree with Jared.  Even though I posted a response pointing to a website 
that discusses some of the pros/cons of XP and W2K, Linux is my first choice 
and I love it (and will love it more once I get SuSE 7.2 to work with my 
NVidia card so I can install Oracle again).

-D-

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> Forget it.
>
> Get Suse  7.2 or 7.3, or the latest version of RedHat.
>
> If you want to run Windoze too,  get VmWare or Win4Lin.
>
> Win4Lin works with win95/98.
>
> Vmware is more flexible and will work with Win2k.
>
> I've found Win98 with Win4Lin to be more stable
> than Win98 by itself.
>
> Jared
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RE: XP vs. W2000

2001-12-26 Thread Holman, Rodney

It's really not that difficult.  You do HAVE TO READ the readme's and the
info on Metalink first.  There are some things that need to be done to
install on RedHat.  These are fairly well documented on Metalink.  The
installation is not a point-click-and forget type install.  Once all the
stuff listed in the doc's and on Metalink is done the install works well.

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> 
> 
> >
> > Forget it.
> > Get Suse  7.2 or 7.3, or the latest version of RedHat.
> 
> Yeah, LINUX is great but get ready to pull (some of) your hair
> out installing Oracle. God help you. (or find a LINUX guru 
> and pay him to do it)
> 
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Re: XP vs. W2000

2001-12-26 Thread Jared . Still


Robert, you're a DBA, and you still have hair?  ;)

Jared   ( hasn't pulled it *all* out, yet )




   
   
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Yeah, LINUX is great but get ready to pull (some of) your hair
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Odd SQL Loader Problem

2001-12-26 Thread Ken Janusz

I am loading data into an Oracle table (8.1.7 on W2000 server).  I am
skipping fields (via filler) because I don't need to load them.  However, I
am getting an error on one of the input fields (being skipped) - field in
data file exceeds maximum length.  The record is a tilde "~" delimited flat
file. The field that is giving me the error is a lengthy character field - a
bunch of English verbiage.  There are no tildes in this lengthy string of
characters.

So, why would SQL Loader give me an error on a field I do not wish to load?


Thanks,
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RE: Odd SQL Loader Problem

2001-12-26 Thread Khedr, Waleed

Could you have a special character like cr or nl that is causing this
problem or indicating the end of record before reading all fields?

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I am loading data into an Oracle table (8.1.7 on W2000 server).  I am
skipping fields (via filler) because I don't need to load them.  However, I
am getting an error on one of the input fields (being skipped) - field in
data file exceeds maximum length.  The record is a tilde "~" delimited flat
file. The field that is giving me the error is a lengthy character field - a
bunch of English verbiage.  There are no tildes in this lengthy string of
characters.

So, why would SQL Loader give me an error on a field I do not wish to load?


Thanks,
Ken



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RE: Move DB to Another Schema

2001-12-26 Thread John Kanagaraj

Hi Stephane,

>I agree with you for a full export, and (I have just checked) a
> OWNER=SYS export exports everything but tables. But there is no such
> limitation with a TABLES= export :

Thanks for the inputs. Guess this is something new 7.x plus since I think
that was true before.

Guess there are lots more such 'gotchas' and new 'features' that slip in
with every new version!

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RE: Odd SQL Loader Problem

2001-12-26 Thread Ken Janusz

Could be, but how do I read it?

Ken

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Could you have a special character like cr or nl that is causing this
problem or indicating the end of record before reading all fields?

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Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 3:45 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I am loading data into an Oracle table (8.1.7 on W2000 server).  I am
skipping fields (via filler) because I don't need to load them.  However, I
am getting an error on one of the input fields (being skipped) - field in
data file exceeds maximum length.  The record is a tilde "~" delimited flat
file. The field that is giving me the error is a lengthy character field - a
bunch of English verbiage.  There are no tildes in this lengthy string of
characters.

So, why would SQL Loader give me an error on a field I do not wish to load?


Thanks,
Ken



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RE: XP vs. W2000

2001-12-26 Thread Jared . Still



It's dogma only when there are reasonable alternatives.  ;)

Jared 'just the facts'  Still




   
   
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How dogmatic of you Jared! Are you suffering windoze xenophobia?

On my laptop I've got VMWare with Win2k and RedHat. I confess with shame
that win2k is my primary O/S and that I need windoze for MS Outlook. Also,
I'm addicted to MS Office. Addiction as in dependence on unhealthy things.
Sigh... I'm not Luke Skywalker... I've succombed to the dark side.

Steve Orr


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Forget it.

Get Suse  7.2 or 7.3, or the latest version of RedHat.
If you want to run Windoze too,  get VmWare or Win4Lin.
Win4Lin works with win95/98.
Vmware is more flexible and will work with Win2k.
I've found Win98 with Win4Lin to be more stable
than Win98 by itself.

Jared






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This question is a little off the mark.  I will be ordering a new Dell PC
(8200) in the near future.  I would like to know which OS I should go with.
XP Professional or W2000?  Any suggestions?  Anyone have any experience
with XP Prof.?  Pluses / minuses?

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Re: What's Oracle Trying to Hide ???

2001-12-26 Thread Jared . Still


I suspect that they are trying to prevent headaches
by hiding 'features' that are intended for internal
use only.

Sometimes a "DBA" will get hold of some undocumented
feature and use it just because it's there, sometimes causing
database problems in the process.

This type of behavior is common in the PC world.  Just take
a look at PC magazine and Windoze websites and you
will find all kinds of "tips" and "tricks" that add no value to
the system and usually eat up resources.

It seems that this mentality carries over from the Windoze
world to those that are new with Oracle, and the "DBA"
starts twisting and turning every knob available.

Kind of messes things up for times when one of those
undoc features might be useful.

This may be pure speculation on my part , but it's
my story, and I'm sticking to it.

Jared



   
   
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Here's a paste from the $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin/dbmsutil.sql script:
Rem dbms_system   - database system level commands (moved
to
Rem prvtutil.sql for more obscurity)

Not only do they want to "obscure" the dbms_system package but I can't find
the prvtutil.sql script. Where is this stuff and why do they want to hide
it? Any ideas?

...Just found the ./rdbms/admin/prvtutil.plb file and now I'm wishing I
could un-"wrap" this "present" on boxing day!


Eschew Obfuscation,
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RE: XP vs. W2000

2001-12-26 Thread Orr, Steve

 

Oh C'mon... Don't you consider numerous daily reboots as "reasonable
alternatives?" 

I understand that if you use XP and the Internet your system is wide open to
intrusion... so it turns out that MS is an "open systems" software company.
:-)

Steve


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It's dogma only when there are reasonable alternatives.  ;)

Jared 'just the facts'  Still


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RE: What's Oracle Trying to Hide ???

2001-12-26 Thread Orr, Steve

I generally share your "speculation" but in the case of dbms_system it is
referenced by other sources yet it is undocumented. If you can do a describe
on it from SQL*Plus then it should be documented. So dbms_system is
undocumented and incomplete but available for our use??

In dbms_system there's a procedure called "set_ev" with 5 parameters. I'm
thinking this is to set events like 10046 and that the "si" parm is for SID,
the "se" parm is for serial#, the "ev" parm is the event number, the "le"
parm is the level. But what would the "nm" parm be and how would it be used?

Curiosity may have killed the cat but with sensitive whiskers we should be
able to poke our noses into certain places without incident.


Here's to growing longer whiskers,
Steve


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Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 3:15 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

I suspect that they are trying to prevent headaches
by hiding 'features' that are intended for internal
use only.

Sometimes a "DBA" will get hold of some undocumented
feature and use it just because it's there, sometimes causing
database problems in the process.

This type of behavior is common in the PC world.  Just take
a look at PC magazine and Windoze websites and you
will find all kinds of "tips" and "tricks" that add no value to
the system and usually eat up resources.

It seems that this mentality carries over from the Windoze
world to those that are new with Oracle, and the "DBA"
starts twisting and turning every knob available.

Kind of messes things up for times when one of those
undoc features might be useful.

This may be pure speculation on my part , but it's
my story, and I'm sticking to it.

Jared

-Original Message-
Here's a paste from the $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin/dbmsutil.sql script:
Rem  dbms_system   - database system level commands (moved to
Rem  prvtutil.sql for more obscurity)

Not only do they want to "obscure" the dbms_system package but I can't find
the prvtutil.sql script. Where is this stuff and why do they want to hide
it? Any ideas?

...Just found the ./rdbms/admin/prvtutil.plb file and now I'm wishing I
could un-"wrap" this "present" on boxing day!


Eschew Obfuscation,
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RE: What's Oracle Trying to Hide ???

2001-12-26 Thread Nick Wagner
Title: RE: What's Oracle Trying to Hide ???





because the list is so slow today, I'll add my response to it...  


I agree with Jared...  but have one other thing to mention.  


Working for a company that continually delves into the internal structures and workings of Oracle I learned to respect how it works, and what it does.  Internally oracle does some pretty strange things with it's transactions (when you apply DDL, what happens to the underlying $ and # tables), and especially on how it stores different objects in the database (like Nested tables and IOT's.) Understanding these new objects and they way that they work within oracle... is very strange... and I'm not sure if it is all implemented with performance/ease of use in mind.  

Now don't get me wrong... I love Oracle...  but if we ALL really knew how things worked internally... I think people would not be so ready to use the new functionality.  

I think one of the reasons they 'hide' and wrap these procedures is so we don't know how it works, and makes it more 'magical.'

And yes... undoc'd procedures are useful... and fun too!   


Nick



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I suspect that they are trying to prevent headaches
by hiding 'features' that are intended for internal
use only.


Sometimes a "DBA" will get hold of some undocumented
feature and use it just because it's there, sometimes causing
database problems in the process.


This type of behavior is common in the PC world.  Just take
a look at PC magazine and Windoze websites and you
will find all kinds of "tips" and "tricks" that add no value to
the system and usually eat up resources.


It seems that this mentality carries over from the Windoze
world to those that are new with Oracle, and the "DBA"
starts twisting and turning every knob available.


Kind of messes things up for times when one of those
undoc features might be useful.


This may be pure speculation on my part , but it's
my story, and I'm sticking to it.


Jared




  
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Here's a paste from the $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin/dbmsutil.sql script:
Rem dbms_system   - database system level commands (moved
to
Rem prvtutil.sql for more obscurity)


Not only do they want to "obscure" the dbms_system package but I can't find
the prvtutil.sql script. Where is this stuff and why do they want to hide
it? Any ideas?


...Just found the ./rdbms/admin/prvtutil.plb file and now I'm wishing I
could un-"wrap" this "present" on boxing day!



Eschew Obfuscation,
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RE: XP vs. W2000

2001-12-26 Thread Brian Haas

>This question is a little off the mark.  I will be ordering a new Dell PC
>(8200) in the near future.  I would like to know which OS I should go with.
>XP Professional or W2000?  Any suggestions?  Anyone have any experience
>with XP Prof.?  Pluses / minuses?
>

If you need to run windows, I'd use Win2K. Check this article out about 
the FBI getting involved With the security problems with WinXP

http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-8287567.html

In addition, Someone in our office recently got a brand new laptop with XP 
on it and he absolutely hates the performance it gets with XP(Slow Slow 
Slow).

I use redhat 7.2 here at the office and at home and love it(Came over from 
Slackware)

-Brian

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RE: What's Oracle Trying to Hide ???

2001-12-26 Thread K Gopalakrishnan

Steve,

"nm" parameter is used as event name. i.e what to do if that triggering
event occurs.
You can set either SYSTEMSTATE or PROCESSSTATE or ERRORSTACK  to dump those
things.

Consider a case , you want to dump the errorstack when ORA-00060 (deadlock)
occurs.
Here you use  SID,SERIAL#,60,65535,ERRORSTACK.

Triggering event 65535 is IMMEDIATE .

Hope this helps.


Best Regards,
K Gopalakrishnan
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I generally share your "speculation" but in the case of dbms_system it is
referenced by other sources yet it is undocumented. If you can do a describe
on it from SQL*Plus then it should be documented. So dbms_system is
undocumented and incomplete but available for our use??

In dbms_system there's a procedure called "set_ev" with 5 parameters. I'm
thinking this is to set events like 10046 and that the "si" parm is for SID,
the "se" parm is for serial#, the "ev" parm is the event number, the "le"
parm is the level. But what would the "nm" parm be and how would it be used?

Curiosity may have killed the cat but with sensitive whiskers we should be
able to poke our noses into certain places without incident.


Here's to growing longer whiskers,
Steve


-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 3:15 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

I suspect that they are trying to prevent headaches
by hiding 'features' that are intended for internal
use only.

Sometimes a "DBA" will get hold of some undocumented
feature and use it just because it's there, sometimes causing
database problems in the process.

This type of behavior is common in the PC world.  Just take
a look at PC magazine and Windoze websites and you
will find all kinds of "tips" and "tricks" that add no value to
the system and usually eat up resources.

It seems that this mentality carries over from the Windoze
world to those that are new with Oracle, and the "DBA"
starts twisting and turning every knob available.

Kind of messes things up for times when one of those
undoc features might be useful.

This may be pure speculation on my part , but it's
my story, and I'm sticking to it.

Jared

-Original Message-
Here's a paste from the $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin/dbmsutil.sql script:
Rem  dbms_system   - database system level commands (moved to
Rem  prvtutil.sql for more obscurity)

Not only do they want to "obscure" the dbms_system package but I can't find
the prvtutil.sql script. Where is this stuff and why do they want to hide
it? Any ideas?

...Just found the ./rdbms/admin/prvtutil.plb file and now I'm wishing I
could un-"wrap" this "present" on boxing day!


Eschew Obfuscation,
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RE: database administration questions

2001-12-26 Thread CHAN Chor Ling Catherine (CSC)

I quite agree with Kimberly. I used to be a full-fledge Oracle programmer
but wanted to dabble with database administration. I asked my boss whether I
could be a database administrator. His answer is yes but I still need to
maintain my current systems.  Now, I am a database
administrator-cum-programmer.  I support turnkey projects, automate
processes for my users, maintain current projects, install/maintain database
& support Oracle Applications etc. 

Prepare for lots of OT but what the heck, U will get to learn a lots of
interesting things in the process 

New Bees
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From:   Kimberly Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Thursday, December 27, 2001 1:40 AM
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Subject:RE: database administration questions

If you work on a site like I do you could always cross
train.  I am always
looking for suckers (um, people) to be my backup.  Right now
I use one from
the Unix team and one from the development team.  Its the
only way I get to
take vacations and what no.  Check with your current DBA and
see if they are
willing to train you while you are off doing your 'real'
job.  Of course,
there are some folks who are worried about job security (or
are just
assholes)
and they would not give you the time of day.  You don't want
to learn from
those folks anyway.  The excuse, "I'm too busy" is not
really valid either.
Training someone allowed me to offload some of my work.

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With your current background, your more likely to land a job
as a network
administrator LONG before you'll end up in a database
position.  Access is
still
looked on as a single user system and frankly I haven't run
into any large
scale
applications that use it, period.  One of my current tasks
is working with a
forecasting package that states in the manual that Access
should only be
used
for the demos.  Any other application of the package should
use Oracle or
DB2.
Also a SPC (Statistical Process Control, for those who don't
know, don't ask
further) package we're evaluating (actually two of them)
won't work with
Access
even for the demos.  Therefore, I'd suggest staying with the
networking
world.
It will be around as long as database administration, if not
longer.  Your
already trained and certified, and getting a Cisco
certification is no small
feat.  If you really want to move into database admin, your
probably looking
at
2 to 3 years of learning and smaller paychecks as you pay
your dues.

BTW: A database restore usually takes a lot longer than
fixing a network
outage,
to boot.

Dick Goulet

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Date:   12/23/2001 11:15 PM

Hi!
I'm looking into getting into the field of Database
Administrating.  Right
now, I have experience with MS Access and have created
several databases for
companies that I have worked with in the past with Access.

I'm looking for a jump in my career and the next logical
step for me, I
would
think, would be in database field.  However, I also have
some networking
knowledge (Cisco certified...).  So, I'm looking into the
advantages of both
fields.  I have some questions & I'm not sure who to ask or
where to get my
answers.  But, here they go:

Questions for a Database Administrator:

1)  What is your typical workday like?
2) Do you work a lot of overtime?
3) What are the most valuable databse programs to learn?
4) If I was to look into learning these, should I take
classes?  Where would
you recommend I look for classes in the Los Angeles area?
5) What language, if any, are important (Java, XML, Visual
Basic, etc.)?
6) What programs are starting to get obsolete?
7) Is it worth it to get vendor certifications (Microsoft,
Oracle)? If so,
are there certain books that you recommend to study?

RE: XP vs. W2000

2001-12-26 Thread Larry Elkins

As we are treading towards OT land, I've got a Dell PIII 750 with 512MB on
my desktop running WIN2K Pro. I just bought a laptop, Compaq Presario PIII
1.0 Gig Chip with 512MB running XP Pro. I run 8i and 9i on both machines.
The laptop is definitely snappier when running OEM 9i. With comparably
configured laptops and desktops, you would expect the desktop to be much
faster. So, even though my laptop has a 1 Ghz chip vs the 750 Mhz chip on my
desktop, I expected the laptop to be slower. And it is when running disk
intensive operations -- 4500 RPM on the laptop vs 7200 RPM and a caching
controller on the desktop. But otherwise, the laptop with XP seems to be a
tad faster, and maybe it's strictly due to the faster processor. It would be
interesting to run some benchmarks against the same machine running XP vs.
WIN2K -- I'm sure PC Magazine or some other group has already done this.

And I haven't been on the Internet with the laptop since the XP security
issues came to light. Something I need to address on the laptop.

Regards,

Larry G. Elkins
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>
>
> >This question is a little off the mark.  I will be ordering a new Dell PC
> >(8200) in the near future.  I would like to know which OS I
> should go with.
> >XP Professional or W2000?  Any suggestions?  Anyone have any experience
> >with XP Prof.?  Pluses / minuses?
> >
>
> If you need to run windows, I'd use Win2K. Check this article out about
> the FBI getting involved With the security problems with WinXP
>
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-8287567.html
>
> In addition, Someone in our office recently got a brand new
> laptop with XP
> on it and he absolutely hates the performance it gets with XP(Slow Slow
> Slow).
>
> I use redhat 7.2 here at the office and at home and love it(Came
> over from
> Slackware)
>
> -Brian
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Re: XP vs. W2000

2001-12-26 Thread Robert Chin

Nah, I'm no DBA, just a %X*$@?! developer that gets a secret joy
out of watching DBAs pulling their hair out.(or chewing off their nails...)

Robert Chin

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> Robert, you're a DBA, and you still have hair?  ;)
> 
> Jared   ( hasn't pulled it *all* out, yet )

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weird pga swelling

2001-12-26 Thread George Schlossnagle
I'm experiencing a weird issue I've never encountered before.  One of my clients runs a moderately active database being connected to by a group of webservers running mod_perl, making a 'standard' set of queries to generate dynamic content.  'standard' in this sense means that the queries are unchanged for many months, none of them are particularly expensive.  Randomly (once/twice week) I'm having shadow processes (LOCAL=NO sessions) whose PGA is welling to huge sizes.  I am measuring this with pmem.  I see things like:

3606:   oracleFLPDT (LOCAL=NO)
Address   Kbytes Resident Shared Private Permissions   Mapped File
0001   24776   19960   19960   - read/exec oracle
0185 240 240 208  32 read/write/exec   oracle
0188C000 1083848  946408   -  946408 read/write/exec[ heap ]
8000 1143448 1143448 1143448   - read/write/exec/shared  [shmid=0x2db5]



That's 1G of private heap usage by that one process.  These sessions are not stuck running any particular sql, I have caught them executing any and all of the standard application code and they don't seem to be spinning on any particular query.

Any thoughts?  This seems like a PGA memory leak to me. 

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RE: XP vs. W2000

2001-12-26 Thread Kimberly Smith

I neither pull my hair or chew my nails.  I find other ways to
relieve my stress.  Course, the folks at work are not to happy 
about it.  Well, at least when the plant was open.  There are 
very few activities I do that are not considered 'risky'.  DBA
work is relatively stress free for me  I will take a downed
database any day to a lead fall.  At one time they we were coming
up on a really big downtime that took months to plan and they
were trying to get me to stay off the mountains.  HA!

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Nah, I'm no DBA, just a %X*$@?! developer that gets a secret joy
out of watching DBAs pulling their hair out.(or chewing off their nails...)

Robert Chin

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> Robert, you're a DBA, and you still have hair?  ;)
> 
> Jared   ( hasn't pulled it *all* out, yet )

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Re: Help - DBA interview questions I faced

2001-12-26 Thread rpapnoi

Rachel,
I'm Sorry for quoting wrong book. Actually I have both books and both are 
excellent!

Regards,
Ramesh D Papnoi
Oracle DBA @ Chemtex Global Engineers Pvt. Ltd., Mumbai, India
(BrainBench & Brainbuzz Certified Oracle 8/8i DBA & Developer)
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dba 101 is not by gaja and kirti -- that's performance tuning 101 which
is indeed an excellent book

dba 101 is theriault, carmichael and viscusi.
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> DBA 101 book - BY Gaja and kirti is available in India (indian
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> 
> Regards,
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> Dear Rachel,
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> Thanks for your reply and guidance.  Also thanks to
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>  In India Oracle DBA 101 book is not yet released. 
> Once it is released I will defently purchase the book.
>  
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> Regarding Question No.1, I told that Server Process is
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> 
> 
> 1)  When you enter 'sqlplus scott/tiger'  which
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RE: XP vs. W2000

2001-12-26 Thread Denham Eva
Title: RE: XP vs. W2000





So, Jared, I have heard of VmWare which is not as far as I know Open Source(Free).
I don't know of Win4Lin, is it Open Source? and won't you email me a link to the site.


Regards
Denham


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Forget it.


Get Suse  7.2 or 7.3, or the latest version of RedHat.


If you want to run Windoze too,  get VmWare or Win4Lin.


Win4Lin works with win95/98.


Vmware is more flexible and will work with Win2k.


I've found Win98 with Win4Lin to be more stable
than Win98 by itself.


Jared





  
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This question is a little off the mark.  I will be ordering a new Dell PC
(8200) in the near future.  I would like to know which OS I should go with.
XP Professional or W2000?  Any suggestions?  Anyone have any experience
with
XP Prof.?  Pluses / minuses?


Thanks,


Ken
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