RE: Implementing different document types with different attribut

2003-08-11 Thread Mladen Gogala
Attributes for documents?
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Mercadante, Thomas F
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Tim,

Can you provide some examples of the attributes for the different document
types?

If I were designing something, I would look for common attributes among all
the documents to see if they can be contained within the same table.  There
would be one column within that table that would indicate what type of
document it is.  

The other way to go would be to create one table for each type of document.
Lets say we are talking about Word, PDF and HTML documents.  You could
create one table for each type of document, and store whatever info you need
in each table.

I think we all are guessing in the dark here.  We need more info from you to
be able to help you.

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional


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attributes


attribute is a specific part of an index-file, but those attributes are
different for all document types

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attributes



What do you have as an example of an "attribute"?



 

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Hello


I've an installation/implementation question!
We've to analyse 50 document types, in total those 50 has 70 different
attributes. We don't want to put all those document types into one table,
because more than the half (35) of the attributes are not always used for
each document type. This will have to much disk space for each record, if
most of the fields are just blank.


Has anyone suggestions how to build our table-structure?
I've heart something about FlexFields, what are they?
Takes every field diskspace, even if it's blank (null)?


Thanks in advance for the response!


Tim








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RE: Consolidating Servers

2003-08-11 Thread Henry Poras
Title: RE: Consolidating Servers



David,
 
Can 
you create the clone from a production backup as a standby database? Then when 
it's time to switch over, just apply the last few archive logs from production, 
turn the clone on, and test. This way you can do most of the cloning at your 
convenience. We did this when we were moving database storage from the east 
coast to the west. 
 
Henry
 

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  Servers
  This is exactly what I am working on right now!  We have 
  to consolidate down from about 5 servers to 2 (Prod. and Test/Dev.).  My 
  approach is to just move (clone) the DBs first.  That's a job in itself, 
  considering that the production DBs need to be moved during weekend 
  hours.  Leave original DB on original server just in case something 
  fails.  Take a cold backup, move files to new server, rebuild control 
  file from trace to create clone.  Point apps at clone and test.  If 
  all is well, archive original DB to tape for a month or two to be 
  safe.
  By the way, this required me to install 4 versions of Oracle 
  (8.1.7 to 9.2.0.3) in 4 Oracle Homes on the new Production server.  
  Upgrading all to 9iR2 is another project.
  Best regards, 
  David B. Wagoner Database 
  Administrator Arsenal Digital Solutions 

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  Just got out of a meeting with my manager.  He had just 
  finished meeting with our Oracle rep and has finally 
  figured out that we don't have enough licenses (I've 
  always asked him what we have and he's never shared it with me, always just "I've gotten it taken care 
  of").  We have 80 and with our current/potential 
  configuration we are going to need 300.  Anyways, 
  to save money he decides that we need to take our databases and 
  consolidate them to two or three servers (from 
  7).  Most of the database are fairly 
  small (100-300Meg) so shouldn't be too bad.  
  Actually it should be pretty fun (if I didn't already have 5 full-time jobs to do). Anyone had to do the same thing?  What are some concerns?  
  Should I shoot for the moon 
  and upgrade them all to 9i at the same time or have several versions (7.3, 8.0, 8.1.7) on the same 
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RAC DBCA hangs while creating cluster database

2003-08-11 Thread Ranganath K








Hi Listers,

 

    I am trying
to set up a two-node RAC on Windows 2000 Advanced Server on Proliant
DL 580 Servers.  I am following the metalink document 178882.1 and Harrison B. Redhouse’s document DIY Multi-Node RAC on a single
Windows PC downloaded from www.oaktable.net. 
I am having two separate nodes and hence there was no need to use VMvare to simulate two nodes as mentioned in Harrison B. Redhouse’s document. 
I ran through all the steps as mentioned in both the documents.  But when I am using DBCA to install cluster
database on the first node I am getting the following error when I click FINISH
button:

 

    The filepath S:\Oradata\CLUST\CWMLITE01.DBF is invalid.  Please check the permissions.

 

    I have
stopped and restarted the GSD service.  I
have also installed the Oracle 9.2.0.3 patch and created the listener
successfully. I am trying to install the cluster database through the command 

    Dbca –datafiledestination S:\oradata.  

 

    I am able
to see the shared disk from both the disk manager and Windows explorer.

 

    I am really
stuck up with this problem.  Any pointers
as to what am I missing would be highly appreciated.

 

    Looking forward to hear from any of you soon.

 

    Thanks and
Regards,

 

    Ranganath

 






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Re: quick suggestions for tuning ?

2003-08-11 Thread Jared Still

But his BCHR is 99.57% !

On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 07:44, Connor McDonald wrote:
> Its not really rocket science here...
> 
> CPU is at the top of the timed event - and what causes
> CPU (or is the most common cause) - logical I/O.  54
> million consistent gets later down in the report
> probably a bit of a giveaway there :-)
> 
> Next section in the report is some nice queries that
> use up 4 or so million buffer gets.  Good ones to
> start with...  As you've already noticed, no bind
> variables.
> 
> Then some other miscellaneous things - look at how
> much free memory you have in most of your pools "SGA
> breakdown difference" - might be able to use that
> better elsewhere.
> 
> cheers
> connor
> 
> 
>  --- Prem Khanna J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Guys,
> > 
> > I have attached statspack report here.
> > The ENV is Oracle 9.2.0.3 / Win2k AS - SP3.
> > 
> > 1.Can you tell me which INIT parameters are to be
> > changed 
> > which will give improved performance ?
> > 
> > 2.can someone give a rough idea about where the
> > bottlenecks are ?
> > 
> > I read the doc "228913.1 - Systemwide Tuning using
> > STATSPACK Reports" 
> > and gave a try with YAPP also.
> > 
> > Bind vars are to be used - that is one i found out
> > from statspack 
> > report.
> > 
> > just new to statspack and so i'm seeking ur
> > suggestions.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Jp.
> > 
> 
> > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/octet-stream 
>  
> 
> =
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RE: Q. To RAC or go vertical

2003-08-11 Thread Jared . Still
.. though now that I've read the original post ( missed it somehow ) I 
would say
that you may just want a bigger box.

See Mogen's article "You Probably Don't Need RAC" at selectonline.org.

You may want to ask Mogens for an alternative version of the article, in
fact, I think you should.

Jared






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While fault tolerance is certainly one of the features of RAC,
it isn't correct to say that it is not also for scalability.

Buy a bigger box?  That works fine until you're in the biggest
box you can get, then what?  I realize that it's a small market
segment that requires that kind of hardware, but it still exists.

Sun has been testing a cluster of 15k servers with RAC, ostensibly
for scalability.  Some nodes are populated with 78 CPU's and 288
Gig of RAM.  ( yes, that is correct ).

Jared


On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 07:54, Stephen Lee wrote:
> 
> I think the point of RAC is fault tolerance, not scalability.  If it's
> performance you want then you want a bigger box, not more boxes.  8 CPUs 
is
> not big.  You sure don't need the expensive hardware if all you want to 
run
> is 8 CPUs.  It would be better to go with a smaller frame and use the 
money
> you save to get more CPUs and additional I/O capacity.  For example, 
instead
> of E12K with 8 CPUs, get 4810 with 12 CPUs -- unless you have definite 
plans
> to push the E12K out to its limits in the future.  Don't forget to 
consider
> the backup requirements of a 5 - 10 TByte database.  Another 
consideration,
> I think, is that those big, fancy boxes require additional sys admin 
skills.
> 
> -Original Message-
> Hi All
> 
> I would like to ask for your thoughts on whether to RAC or just go 
vertical
> (more cpu)
> 
> Background
> 
> Txn - OLTP like txn during day but batch extracts at night and 
> very big batch extract periodically
> Data Volume - 5-10 TByte
> Data volatility - 99 % of data is very much like a ware house 
(unchanged)
> other 1% is read/update/delete/insert
> 
> Options
> 1.  Say a very large server like a HP Superdome or SUN E12000
> with 8 CPUs
> Server already exist so cost is in obtaining additional 
CPU/Blades
> ie Traditional Server using plain old vanilla Oracle EE
> - can still increase head room. 
> - batch programs can utilise all 8 CPUs
> - storage system need not cater for clustering
> 
> 2,  Same large server like a HP Superdome or SUN E12000 but partitioned
> into two. Each with 4 CPU.
> Oracle RDBMS + RAC option
> - storage server need to cater for cluster config
> - max performance for batch is with 4 CPUs only
> 
> 
> Which would you prefer and why.  I am not convinced with the RAC option.
> Now
> if I was going with cheaper Intel servers like Dell servers with 4 CPUS
> each, and
> purchase say 4 nodes of 4 cpus each, that would be a different story. In
> this case
> I have the equipment and ability to grow vertically.
> 
> ta
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RE: Q. To RAC or go vertical

2003-08-11 Thread Jared . Still
The 15k was simply a node in a cluster.

Jared





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Hi Jared

Was that a cluster of Sun E15ks or A single E15K of clustered domains
within itself?

The reason I mention the E12k and HP Superdome was that the equipment 
is already available.  All I need is to purchase additional CPUS.

I am trying to enquire as to what people have commissioned
with 10TB database using RAC vs single large boxes.  If you read
some of the postings about RAC on Solaris, there are lots of issues
with it.   How true one of these that said that you do not get the 
scalability after 2 nodes and on the 4th node it degrades to about below 
50%.
This is specifically on Solaris.

ta
tony

At 07:44 AM 05/08/2003 -0800, you wrote:


>While fault tolerance is certainly one of the features of RAC,
>it isn't correct to say that it is not also for scalability.
>
>Buy a bigger box?  That works fine until you're in the biggest
>box you can get, then what?  I realize that it's a small market
>segment that requires that kind of hardware, but it still exists.
>
>Sun has been testing a cluster of 15k servers with RAC, ostensibly
>for scalability.  Some nodes are populated with 78 CPU's and 288
>Gig of RAM.  ( yes, that is correct ).
>
>Jared
>
>
>On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 07:54, Stephen Lee wrote:
>> 
>> I think the point of RAC is fault tolerance, not scalability.  If it's
>> performance you want then you want a bigger box, not more boxes.  8 
CPUs is
>> not big.  You sure don't need the expensive hardware if all you want to 
run
>> is 8 CPUs.  It would be better to go with a smaller frame and use the 
money
>> you save to get more CPUs and additional I/O capacity.  For example, 
instead
>> of E12K with 8 CPUs, get 4810 with 12 CPUs -- unless you have definite 
plans
>> to push the E12K out to its limits in the future.  Don't forget to 
consider
>> the backup requirements of a 5 - 10 TByte database.  Another 
consideration,
>> I think, is that those big, fancy boxes require additional sys admin 
skills.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> Hi All
>> 
>> I would like to ask for your thoughts on whether to RAC or just go 
vertical
>> (more cpu)
>> 
>> Background
>> 
>> Txn - OLTP like txn during day but batch extracts at night and 
>> very big batch extract periodically
>> Data Volume - 5-10 TByte
>> Data volatility - 99 % of data is very much like a ware house 
(unchanged)
>> other 1% is read/update/delete/insert
>> 
>> Options
>> 1.  Say a very large server like a HP Superdome or SUN E12000
>> with 8 CPUs
>> Server already exist so cost is in obtaining additional 
CPU/Blades
>> ie Traditional Server using plain old vanilla Oracle EE
>> - can still increase head room. 
>> - batch programs can utilise all 8 CPUs
>> - storage system need not cater for clustering
>> 
>> 2,  Same large server like a HP Superdome or SUN E12000 but partitioned
>> into two. Each with 4 CPU.
>> Oracle RDBMS + RAC option
>> - storage server need to cater for cluster config
>> - max performance for batch is with 4 CPUs only
>> 
>> 
>> Which would you prefer and why.  I am not convinced with the RAC 
option.
>> Now
>> if I was going with cheaper Intel servers like Dell servers with 4 CPUS
>> each, and
>> purchase say 4 nodes of 4 cpus each, that would be a different story. 
In
>> this case
>> I have the equipment and ability to grow vertically.
>> 
>> ta
>> tony
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Re: Unix process tree

2003-08-11 Thread Tanel Poder
Title: Unix process tree



Redhat AS 2.1 at least has something, probably 
others as well. It's "pstree" if I recall correctly.
 
Also, ps has some options to print process 
dependencies out.
 
Tanel.

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  AM
  Subject: Unix process tree
  
  Hi Team 
  Firstly apologies for a slightly OT 
  question. 
  Solaris has a great little command called "ptree" 
  which given a process id as an argument, will present a tree of all the 
  process' related to the given process id.
  Question: Is there a similar command for 
  Linux? 
  Cheers Jeremy 
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questions - kernel parameters - Red Hat 2.1 Advanced Server

2003-08-11 Thread Doug
Hi - 
I just finshed an install on Linux 2.1 Advanced server using the installation
document of Oracle 9.2 for Linux/Intel avialable on technet. 

I  ended up doing this for the kernel paramters
echo 250 3200 100 128 > sem
echo 2147483648 > shmax
echo 65536 > /proc/sys/fs/file-max
echo 1024 65000 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_local_port_range
ulimit -u 16384
skipped SHMMNI because it was already 4096

Starting on page 2.19 of the doc - it indicates
how to do SEMMSL ,SMMNS, SMEOPM, SEMMNI as above with "sem".
in the /proc/sys/kernel virtual filesystem.

Then it says you can do the shared memory pamater as in the "shmax'
example. 

After that it says to set the process limit by using ulimit -u. 

And now.. to the questions 

Then it has a list of the minimum values of parameters required to run 9i with a
single datbase instance on Linux.  My first problem is, I don't understand how
to set 3 of these.  They don't exist in the /proc/sys/kernel filesystem.
SEMMNI ( taken care of above).. 
SEMMNS (taken care of above).
SEMOPM (taken care of above)
SEMMSL (taken care of above)
SHMMAX (taken care of above)
SHMMIN shoudl be 1 (hot to set this?) - I have no shmmin in /proc/sys/kernel
SHMMNI should be 100 was already 4096 so skipped it
SHMSEG should be 4096  (how to set this?) - I also have no shmseg in
/proc/sys/kernel
SHMVMX should be 32767 (how to set this?) - and I have no shmvmx in
/proc/sys/kernel

So there are those 3 questions - and then the following - 

"Write a script to initialize these values during system startup, and include
the script in your system init files"..

Now - I guess the script looks similar to the lines I pasted at the top of the
email - but where does it go?  

This may be a bit of a Linux newbie question but aren't there various run levels
so wouldn't where I place the initilization stuff matter how the box is
configured?   Do I just make a little bash script? What is preferred and where
should it go?

Lastly - do any of these require a recompile of the kernel or not?  Can they all
be set safely on boot?

Thanks.. 
Appreciate any help,
Doug C. 
  

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Poor performance after moving Extempore database from 7.3.4 to 8.1.7

2003-08-11 Thread Smith, Ron L.

We recently upgraded an application (Extempore) database from Oracle
7.3.4 to 8.1.7.  The clients say the test database, still on Oracle
7.3.4 is much faster than the production database, now on 8.1.7.  The
server is newer and faster on the production database.  The Oracle init
parameters are pretty much identical.  

When I access the database through SQL*PLUS or TOAD, the response is
instantaneous.  The app uses an ODBC connection which is also 8.1.7.  I
have tried attaching the tables in MS Access through ODBC.  This too is
instantaneous.

Any ideas?

Ron Smith
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How to take sql*loader trace

2003-08-11 Thread Senthil Kumar
Hi All,

I'm loading a set of data into one of my schema. And wanted to take the
trace files also.

I tried the follwoing.

1. Identified the sid,serila# for the sql*loader session.
2. used the follwoing,
   exec sys.dbms_system.set_sql_trace_in_session(19,11250,TRUE);

but this is not generation any trace files. But if I trun my system to
sql_trace=TRUE, I'm able to collect the trace details. I don't want to do
this.

I want to take the trace only for the sql*loader session. How do i do that.

TIA,
Senthil.

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Re: quick suggestions for tuning ?

2003-08-11 Thread Prem Khanna J
Thanks a lot Connor.
Apart from bind vars.,LIO is a big issue here.

54 million consistent gets.
does it mean that db_cache_size (700M) is small ?

any good docs or links regarding LIO and how to deal with it ?
 
Can u explain me Connor ?

Regards,
Jp.


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>Date: 10-08-2003 23:44:25
>Its not really rocket science here...
>CPU is at the top of the timed event - and what causes
>CPU (or is the most common cause) - logical I/O.  54
>million consistent gets later down in the report
>probably a bit of a giveaway there :-)
>Next section in the report is some nice queries that
>use up 4 or so million buffer gets.  Good ones to
>start with...  As you've already noticed, no bind
>variables.
>Then some other miscellaneous things - look at how
>much free memory you have in most of your pools "SGA
>breakdown difference" - might be able to use that
>better elsewhere.
>cheers
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RE: URGENT: Trying to duplicate database from cold backup - auxi

2003-08-11 Thread Paula_Stankus
Title: RE: URGENT:  Trying to duplicate database from cold backup - auxi





I am with ya.  


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auxi



>> BTW, I just waited till afterhours brought the database down, copied 
>> the file and cloned the easy way. 


I love RMAN, but truth be told, I still find the old manual method of
cloning a database to be easier somehow. Must be an old fogie.


RF


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Re: Event 10235

2003-08-11 Thread Tanel Poder
Hi!

This event is meant for detectiong heap corruptions, by doing additional
checks when allocating/deallocating memory. (It affects heap manager).

When set on level 2 it does some check of heap structure when freeing it
(level 1) + when allocating/deallocating memory in heap, the memory is
filled with junk (level 2). I assume it's because, when you have complete
junk in your heap (not some leftover from other session) you'll more likely
have a crash in case of some mispointing pointer, thus detecting problems
earlier.

So, it's for diagnostics, and you should remove it, especially when on
decent Oracle version.

Tanel.

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> One of our databases has the 10235 (level 2) event set. Unfortunately, the
Metalink doc is very sparse (barely more than oerr). It mentions that it
protects internal memory management structures. What I am needing are
reasons why this event would be set. Anyone have experience with this event
and what some of the motivations were?
>
> Dan


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RE: License Question

2003-08-11 Thread Rick_Cale





Harvinder,

You should call you Oracle sales rep.  All pricing is negotiable depending
on whether it is end-of-quarter, how close mars is in alignment with
earth,etc.
Also, always try to negotiate education credits,etc.  I have found
end-of-quarter is best, they all like that trip to Hawaii...seen it too
many times.

Rick


   

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Hi,

One of our client is using 8.1.7 database server. We have install 9.2
client
version on one of application server to connect to database.
Do the client have to buy oracle 9i client(or they need to buy complete 9i
server edition) and does anyone know how much it cost for 1 license of
oracle 9i client?

Thanks
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RE: Capacity Planning Methods?

2003-08-11 Thread Jesse, Rich
I also grab freespace from dba_free_space, dump it into a table, and watch
the deltas there, too.  It helps for watching less predictable object
growth, like perhaps with an index.  Although my procedure is
tablespace-oriented, so it won't give detail as to exactly what's doing all
the growing.

If you'd like, I could post the smallish 68-line procedure and the table
create that I use to do this.  There are perhaps better ways of doin g this,
but it works for me in 8.1.7 on dictionary managed tablespaces.


Rich

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> 
> 
> David
> I analyze the tables each week primarily to populate NUM_ROWS in
> USER_TABLES. I use ANALYZE TABLE because that works better in 
> 8.1.6. Then I
> save the data to a separate table along with the date I did 
> it. The primary
> rows are schema_name (if there is more than one schema of 
> interest), date,
> num_rows, chained_rows, blocks. Whatever suits your purposes. 
> Then I can go
> back and see the pattern of growth over time. 
> 
> 
> 
> Dennis Williams 
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> 
> How do you guys collect capacity planning metrics, such as DB size? 
> 
> Do you use StatsPack, Oracle OEM, others?  I'm interested in 
> an efficient
> method to track DB growth in GB month over month.
> 
> 
> Best regards, 
> 
> David B. Wagoner 
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TNS errors

2003-08-11 Thread Ken Hitchcox
Hi everyone,

Been a very long time since I posted, but finally running into a problem.
New system:

Win 2k Server, Citrix XPe, Powerbuilder 5.0 App, Oracle 8i.   If I run the
Powerbuilder executable  on the server,  it connects to Oracle just fine.
When I try to connect using Citrix (from this machine or a different
machine) on the same network, I get TNS-12560,  When I look at the nmi.log,
I see:

Fatal NI connect error 12560, connecting to:
(DESCRIPTION=(ADDRESS=(PROTOCOL=BEQ)(PROGRAM=ORACLE)(ARGV0=ORACLEFIRST)(ARGS
='(DESCRIPTION=(LOCAL=YES)(ADDRESS=(PROTOCOL=beq)))'))(CONNECT_DATA=(CID=(PR
OGRAM=c:\oracle\ora81\bin\dbsnmp.exe)(HOST=SUNRISE-SAMS)(USER=SYSTEM

VERSION INFORMATION:
TNS for 32-bit Windows: Version 8.1.7.0.0 - Production Oracle Bequeath NT
Protocol Adapter for 32-bit Windows: Version 8.1.7.0.0 - Production
Time: 07-AUG-2003 10:48:22
Tracing not turned on.
Tns error struct:
nr err code: 0
ns main err code: 12560
TNS-12560: TNS:protocol adapter error
ns secondary err code: 0
nt main err code: 530
TNS-00530: Protocol adapter error
nt secondary err code: 2
nt OS err code: 0

I'm STILL a newbie, you would think that after 5 years of managing my rinky
dink database, I'd know something, but...

Anyway, can anyone help me to resolve this problem?  Yes, I will turn
tracing on as soon as I figure out how to for DBSNMP.

Thanks,

Ken Hitchcox

PS Hi Rachael C still have DBA101 on my desk.



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Opatch

2003-08-11 Thread MacGregor, Ian A.
I'm trying to use opatch and receive the following error

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PERL5LIB=; export PERL5LIB
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Can't call method "build_option_details" on an undefined value at
/opt/oracle/admin/general/patchsets/opatch/patch2617419/OPatch/opatch_modules/Apply.pm 
line 2299.

ORACLE_HOME is correctly set, PATH is correct as well.  Any idea what the problem may 
be.

Every opatch command fails with the above error including such things as opatch 
-version.

Ian MacGregor
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Re: 100 instances on same server !!!

2003-08-11 Thread AK



Now , what is your server configuration ? windows , sun , 
hp ??  memory ??
 
-ak
 

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  Subject: Re: 100 instances on same server 
  !!!
  
  
  Thanks for the replies so far. Considering the fact that my database is 
  tiny ( just around 3 GB ), How many of them can work on same server? I can 
  just test with 5 instances, with limited hardware. Will the CPUs be able to 
  take load of 100 instances? Is it worth experimenting this? 
   
  I am on 8.1.7.4 and the application is already built. I stand no chance 
  of changing the code. That is why using individual schemas for individual 
  users is not an option. Right now I am just asked if 100 instances can run on 
  same server and I don’t have solid answer. 
   
  Just on side note, can I ask, What is the maximum number of 
  instances anyone has ever worked/heard being installed with in same 
  server? 
   
  Thanks again.
   
  Dilip.
  
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Subject: Re: What books recommended for 
Data Modeling ?
100 instances woh .  If you are in 9i look at 
possibilities like contextor label security . or creating another schema 
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recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: 
Wednesday, August 06, 2003 9:24 PM> I have not heard 
installing hundred database instances on same server.> Maybe you 
should think creating one instance, and then hundred schemas in> 
it.>> Guang>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Dilip Patel 
wrote:>> > Hi All,> > Need some 
suggestions/Input.> >> > My application database is 
8.1.7, NOARCHIVELOG, WIN200,> > total size 4 GB, more of single 
user OLTP client-server application.> >> > Now the 
customer wants to give training on this application to 
hundredtrainees> > at a time. For this he wants to install 
hundred database instances onsame> > server machine,  
which *each* will be accessed simultaneously from 100different> 
> client workstations.> >> > The reasons for 
installing all instances on same machine are> > - to avoid 
re-installing databases on 100 workstations after each roundof> 
> training.> > - No user should see any other user's 
data.> >> > Please suggest if this approach is feasible 
or is it at all possible.Tested this with upto 5 instances, and> 
> it seems to work. The customer is willing to upgrade to any 
hardwareneeded for> > this setup.> >> > 
Thanks in advance for your time.> >> > Dilip.> 
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RE: last column in a table is added with a DEFAULT

2003-08-11 Thread Ehresmann, David
Title: RE: last column in a table is added with a DEFAULT



I 
understand that part.  What the programmer is saying that you can not add 
the last column to a table with a default value.  Does that sound 
reasonable?
thanks, Raj.
David.

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  RE: last column in a table is added with a DEFAULT
  as soon as you add a column all depending code goes invalid, 
  the dependency checking process doesn't discriminate about the default 
  value.
  Raj  
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  Has anybody ever heard of this?  I have a developer 
  saying this is an oracle bug.  It caused some 
  packages to go invalid. 
  "The error seems to be related to a bug in oracle caused when 
  the last column in a table is added with a 
  default." 
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RE: Merge patches

2003-08-11 Thread Mladen Gogala
As a general rule, one off patches are applied only at the direct request
>From oracle support. If you need a silver bullet (merge patch), you have 
to ask for that. If not, wait for the next patchset. I hear that 9.2.0.4 is
just around the corner.

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Hi!

I think most of people here have applied several one-off patches
successfully, at least I have. But the issue is, as the name says, the
one-off patches are only for fixing a certain bit of behaviour, they havent
been tested in heavy-loaded envrionments where they could affect each other.
But eventually these one-offs make their way to patchsets, which are stress
tested for reliability. So, you are on your own risk when going with
multiple one-offs, but in my experience it has worked. Others may have
different experience, though..

Tanel.

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> OK, maybe I'm going crazy or senile, but I seem to recall Oracle 
> stating that if you needed to apply more than 1 patch, you would need 
> to request a merge patch.  I think this was about a year ago and 
> caused us to downgrade a database to resolve a problem since the 
> turn-around time for the merge patch was not going to beet our 
> requirements.
>
> Does anyone else remember this?  Are they still doing this or can 
> multiple 1-off patches be applied now?
>
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