Re: Oracle's jdbc driver

2003-12-13 Thread David Hau
The method you need is:  OracleDatabaseMetaData.getDriverVersion()

Write a small Java program to call this method, or take a look at 
Metalink note 94091.1 or 73629.1 for sample code to get JDBC driver version.

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Dave
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How can I findout what is the version of the jdbc driver installed with oracle client install.

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Code Conversion from MSSQL into Oracle

2003-12-13 Thread VIVEK_SHARMA


Are there any TOOLs for converting Sample Code (like the following) from
MSSQL into Oracle?

SAMPLE :-



DECLARE @entity_id char(32), @branch_id char(9)

DECLARE  cur_temp_GEMT CURSOR FOR select

 branch_id,entity_id from GEMT where other_party_name='' and
entity_type='D'

OPEN cur_temp_GEMT

FETCH NEXT FROM cur_temp_GEMT INTO

  @branch_id,@entity_id

WHILE @@FETCH_STATUS = 0

BEGIN

UPDATE GEMT SET other_party_name=(SELECT name from GEAT where branch_id
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
and  addr_type='1' and entity_type='D') where [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
branch_id = @branch_id

FETCH NEXT FROM cur_temp_GEMT INTO

  @branch_id,

  @entity_id


END

CLOSE cur_temp_GEMT

DEALLOCATE cur_temp_GEMT

 


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Re: automate backup and export

2003-12-13 Thread John
Any reference concerning the rman?


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 Yes. It's called RMAN.
 On 12/12/2003 02:04:46 PM, John wrote:
  Do you know any script for doing export and backup of Oracle 9i R2
server?
 
  My oracle is on a SuSE linux.

 Mladen Gogala
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Re: 170systems

2003-12-13 Thread Eric King
If the zip file is less than 1MB, can you also send me one copy. I heard it
on the radio, but do not know how it works.

Thanks
Eric
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 Hi Allan ,
 Thanks for your quick reply.

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 Also you can send me the docs on the same email id .
 Please zip and send so that none of the files get deleted because of
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 Waiting for the docs.

 Thanks  Regards
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 Hi Allan ,

 Thanks for your quick reply.
 Please do send the 170systems docs at this mail id .
 Also please zip and send the files so that it doesn't get deleted because
of
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 Once again thanks for your quick reply.
 Waiting for the docs..

 Thanks  Regards
 Kirtish P Gaonkar

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 We are running 170 Systems. Unfortunately over dblinks to a database
 hosted by our parent corporation.  It is abysmally slow.  I'll try and
 find some docs for you.  Please reply to me off list with an email
 address capable of accepting mulit-megabyte pdf's at
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 hi ,
 Is Any body using 170systems ?

 Can you please send me the documents or any info you have.

 Also we are planning to interface 170systems to Oracle Financials .

 If anybody has already done this please can you send me the docs.

 Waiting for replies..


 Regards
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Re: 170systems

2003-12-13 Thread Nalla Ravi
hi ,


CAN YOU PLEASE SEND ME ONE COPY AS WELL.

Reg,
Ravi

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  Please zip and send so that none of the files get
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  Also we are planning to interface 170systems to
 Oracle Financials .
 
  If anybody has already done this please can you
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  Waiting for replies..
 
 
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Re: 24 x 7 x 365

2003-12-13 Thread Murali Vallath
Tanel,

I think this is a good solution, provided the application can handle two phased commit protocol across both the databases, else there could be orphan records on one or both these databases.

Murali Tanel Poder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When you want true 24x7 without compromises, then you have to step closer tothe client anyway.This means, you have two databases for example and your app servermultiplexes all transactions to both ones.This should be faster than sync standby or sync replication, because appserver can send requests to both databases in parallel, unlike withstandby/replication where database itself resends the requests to otherdatabases, making the "chain" of changes longer.Tanel.- Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:24 PM Hi, Unfortunately I'm gonig to add the negative view, like several others have... True 24x7x365 (good pick-up Pete on the 7 year thing) will!
 be
 limited by much more than database and operating system availability. We just did a major software upgrade last weekend and part of the upgrade involved the conversion of 250+ million records in the database - that takes time no matter what. Yes, with unlimited budget and time constraints we could get the outage down to nothing but at the end of the day it's easier for the business to manage an outage. Our system was offline for a total of about 10 hours yet traffic drives on our tollroad all the time so: The roadside is designed to backlog transactions for several days, our system has capacity to catch upbacklogs fairly fast (within a day we had caught up again), we have an alternative front-end system that can backlog feeds, and finally we designed our conversion process to do as much as possible before the outage. We are also on 8.1.7 enterprise and!
 don't
 use OPS/RAC - instead we havethe alternative processes in place to ensure the business can function. Perhaps your company can consider a similar alternative? As others have said - it can be VERY difficult to remove every possible outage and it can be much easier to manage a small outage every few months. Regards, Mark. "Tracy Rahmlow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] Multiplerecipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> xp.com cc: Sent by: Subject: 24 x 7 x 365 [EMAIL PROTECTED] .com 11/12/2003 03:44 Please respond to ORACLE-L Hello, Our company would like to know whether or not Oracle supports true24x7x365 availability for an oltp database. We currently are using the 8.1.7 enterprise edition. Does an
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Re: 24 x 7 x 365

2003-12-13 Thread Murali Vallath
If this is the customer you are talking about, this database supports over 12 million subscribers..

Murali Tim Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As I mentioned a few minutes ago in another thread, there is an application using Oracle Rdb on an HP OpenVMS cluster located at HP in Colorado Springs that has been up and available continuously for the past 11-12 years.on 12/10/03 2:49 PM, Goulet, Dick at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
True 24x365 is just about impossible. No if, ands. or buts about it. Why is because of the number of factors outside your control that affect system availability. Sure your web sever and database are up 24x365, but your ISP has 1 hour down time each month for maintenance. OOPS!! from a customer point of view your NOT 24x365. Also that fiber optic cable running out of your building to the phone pole is available for some heavy equipment operator to slice through while working on the sewer system, OOPS!! So you can't have 24x365 no matter what. What you should do is try to adapt the changes you need into the downtime that's imposed on you. That's what we do  it works very nicely.Besides being completely redundant is extremely expensive, like two of everything, including building, air-conditioning, fiber !
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 cables, etc.Dick GouletSenior Oracle DBAOracle Certified 8i DBA 
-Original Message-From: Tracy Rahmlow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:44 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 24 x 7 x 365Hello, Our company would like to know whether or not Oracle supports true 24x7x365 availability for an oltp database. We currently are using the 8.1.7 enterprise edition. Does an architecture exist whereby we can upgrade the database and/or operating system and not cause an outage? Will RAC solve this issue? Are there any other areas of concerns that I should be thinking about? For example, analyzing with the validate clause and its impacts on the transaction system. Thanks American Express made the followingannotations on 12/10/2003 09:41:15
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Re: 24 x 7 x 365

2003-12-13 Thread Ryan



i was just in the bookstore. are you the one who 
wrote the new RAC book? you do realize the whole thing word for word is in a 
.pdf on otn? 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Murali Vallath 
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  
  Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 10:09 
  AM
  Subject: Re: 24 x 7 x 365
  
  If this is the customer you are talking about, this database supports 
  over 12 million subscribers..
  
  Murali Tim Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  As I mentioned a few minutes ago in another thread, there is an 
application using Oracle Rdb on an HP OpenVMS cluster located at HP in 
Colorado Springs that has been up and available continuously for the past 
11-12 years.on 12/10/03 2:49 PM, Goulet, Dick at 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
True 24x365 
  is just about impossible. No if, ands. or buts about it. Why 
  is because of the number of factors outside your control that affect 
  system availability. Sure your web sever and database are up 24x365, 
  but your ISP has 1 hour down time each month for maintenance. OOPS!! 
  from a customer point of view your NOT 24x365. Also that fiber 
  optic cable running out of your building to the phone pole is available 
  for some heavy equipment operator to slice through while working on the 
  sewer system, OOPS!! So you can't have 24x365 no matter what. 
  What you should do is try to adapt the changes you need into the 
  downtime that's imposed on you. That's what we do  it works 
  very nicely.Besides 
  being completely redundant is extremely expensive, like two of everything, 
  including building, air-conditioning, fiber ! optic cables, 
  etc.Dick GouletSenior 
  Oracle DBAOracle Certified 8i DBA 
  -Original Message-From: Tracy Rahmlow 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 
2003 11:44 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
ORACLE-LSubject: 24 x 7 x 365Hello, Our company 
would like to know whether or not Oracle supports true 24x7x365 
availability for an oltp database. We currently are using the 
8.1.7 enterprise edition. Does an architecture exist whereby we 
can upgrade the database and/or operating system and not cause an 
outage? Will RAC solve this issue? Are there any other areas 
of concerns that I should be thinking about? For example, 
analyzing with the validate clause and its impacts on the transaction 
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Re: automate backup and export

2003-12-13 Thread Paul Drake
John,

Oracle publishes reference material available on OTN.
You can sign up for an account on http://otn.oracle.com, where you can find their documentation and articles.

for example:

Configuring Oracle Recovery Manager
http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/02-nov/o62support.html
or the RMAN Reference Manual:
http://download-west.oracle.com/docs/cd/B10501_01/server.920/a96565/toc.htm

There exist a multitude of Oracle User Groups, where people (users) publish papers and present material.

Check out http://www.ooug.org- click on "Presentations" - Joe Testa presented on RMAN Concepts in the April 2003 meeting.

that's a start.

Others have recommended Robert Freeman's Oracle 9i Backup and Recovery book under Oracle Press. I have a copy, but haven't read it enough to recommend it.

If you have installed Oracle Enterprise Manager with a repository, you can use RMAN transparently via OEM.

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Any reference concerning the rman?- Original Message -To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 10:19 PM Yes. It's called "RMAN". On 12/12/2003 02:04:46 PM, John wrote:  Do you know any script for doing export and backup of Oracle 9i R2server?   My oracle is on a SuSE linux. Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself fr!
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Re: automate backup and export

2003-12-13 Thread Mladen Gogala
In addition to that, you don't need any expensive software. The original poster said 
that his platform 
is SuSE. Well, I'm on RH-9, which is almost the same. Almost.  When I want to back up 
a database,
I write 700M backup pieces to the filesystem that I have for this purpose and use 
xdroast to write it
down to CDs. In connection to this, I have a question: is anybody using DVD writer on 
Linux? DVD
writers themselves have several standards and I'm not sure which one should I buy. I'm 
starting to
pay atention but I'm not quite sure what would be the right choice.

On 2003.12.13 12:49, Paul Drake wrote:
 John,
  
 Oracle publishes reference material available on OTN.
 You can sign up for an account on http://otn.oracle.com, where you can find their 
 documentation and articles.
  
 for example:
  
 Configuring Oracle Recovery Manager 
  http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/02-nov/o62support.html
 
 or the RMAN Reference Manual:
 
 http://download-west.oracle.com/docs/cd/B10501_01/server.920/a96565/toc.htm
 
  
 There exist a multitude of Oracle User Groups, where people (users) publish papers 
 and present material.
  
 Check out http://www.ooug.org - click on Presentations - Joe Testa presented on 
 RMAN Concepts in the April 2003 meeting.
  
 that's a start.
  
 Others have recommended Robert Freeman's Oracle 9i Backup and Recovery book under 
 Oracle Press. I have a copy, but haven't read it enough to recommend it.
  
 If you have installed Oracle Enterprise Manager with a repository, you can use RMAN 
 transparently via OEM.
  
 Pd
 
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   My oracle is on a SuSE linux.
 
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Re: Re: 24 x 7 x 365

2003-12-13 Thread Tanel Poder
Yep, I also think so. I'm currently developing a small prototype for this kind of 
transparent proxy, which I'll post here when it's stable...

Tanel.

 Tanel,
  
 I think this is a good solution, provided the application can handle
 two phased commit protocol across both the databases, else there
 could be orphan records on one or both these databases.
  
 Murali Tanel Poder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 When you want true 24x7 without compromises, then you have to step
 closer tothe client anyway.This means, you have two databases for
 example and your app servermultiplexes all transactions to both
 ones.This should be faster than sync standby or sync replication,
 because appserver can send requests to both databases in parallel,
 unlike withstandby/replication where database itself resends the
 requests to otherdatabases, making the chain of changes
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 Unfortunately I'm gonig to add the negative view, like several
 others have... True 24x7x365 (good pick-up Pete on the 7 year
 thing) will!
  be
  limited by much more than database and operating system
 availability. We just did a major software upgrade last weekend and
 part of the upgrade involved the conversion of 250+ million records
 in the database - that takes time no matter what. Yes, with
 unlimited budget and time constraints we could get the outage down
 to nothing but at the end of the day it's easier for the business to
 manage an outage. Our system was offline for a total of about 10
 hours yet traffic drives on our tollroad all the time so: The
 roadside is designed to backlog transactions for several days, our
 system has capacity to catch upbacklogs fairly fast (within a day we
 had caught up again), we have an alternative front-end system that
 can backlog feeds, and finally we designed our conversion process to
 do as much as possible before the outage. We are also on 8.1.7
 enterprise and!
  don't
  use OPS/RAC - instead we havethe alternative processes in place to
 ensure the business can function. Perhaps your company can consider
 a similar alternative? As others have said - it can be VERY
 difficult to remove every possible outage and it can be much easier
 to manage a small outage every few months. Regards, Mark.
 Tracy Rahmlow !


How to Install Oracle Management Server

2003-12-13 Thread Nirmal Kumar M
How to configure oracle management server. I want to
explore OEM fully. I cann't find  any installation
guide for this in otn.

Is OMS is must for dataguard, RAC?.

Nirmal.

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RE: How to Install Oracle Management Server

2003-12-13 Thread Chandra Pabba
Hi Nirmal,

Please take a look at the following two links which are pointers to the
OEM documentation.

Oracle Enterprise Manager Configuration Guide
http://download-west.oracle.com/docs/cd/B10501_01/em.920/a96673/toc.htm

Oracle Enterprise Manager Administrator's Guide
http://download-west.oracle.com/docs/cd/B10501_01/em.920/a96670/toc.htm

If you are planning to use the DataGuard Manager (GUI) to create/setup
Standby databases and to administer primary/standby databases, then OMS
is required. Without OMS, you have to create the standby database
manually.  Not sure about RAC...

HTH
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RE: How to Install Oracle Management Server

2003-12-13 Thread Sami
what is ur OS?

If it is windows select Enterprise Manager Configuration Assitant which is
under Configuration Tools.
This will install configure OEM repository for you.

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Re: Who are certified Oracle Masters?

2003-12-13 Thread Jared Still
This is a family oriented mailing list folks.  :)

Jared

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RE: automate backup and export

2003-12-13 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
John
   What is your intention? If you have created a test Oracle database on
your Linux system just to learn, then just shut the database down and back
up all files. If you have some important data in this database that changes
frequently, then you need to learn about Oracle backup  recovery. 
   More than a simple script, you need to understand your backup and
recovery requirements as well as your scripts so you can ensure the
requirements are being met. And you need to test your backup because a crash
is no time to find out your method was flawed. All of this is much broader
than we can cover in a few short emails or even a web site. 
   Oracle Education teaches a nice week-long course on this. I found the
book Oracle Backup  Recovery 101 by Smith and Haisley to be an excellent
tutorial for the various types of Oracle backup methods. They take you
step-by-step through tutorials on the different methods.

Dennis Williams
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Any reference concerning the rman?


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 Yes. It's called RMAN.
 On 12/12/2003 02:04:46 PM, John wrote:
  Do you know any script for doing export and backup of Oracle 9i R2
server?
 
  My oracle is on a SuSE linux.

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Changing Character Set from WE8ISO8859P1 to UTF8

2003-12-13 Thread Arnold, Sandra
I am in the process of planning our upgrade for our 8.1.5 database to
8.1.7.4.  This is the first step in upgrading all my databases to 9.2.0.4.
As part of this upgrade I am changing the character set from WE8ISO8859P1 to
UTF8.  Has anyone done this change using the ALTER DATABASE CHARACTER SET
command?  If so, was there any problems?

Thanks,

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RE: Changing Character Set from WE8ISO8859P1 to UTF8

2003-12-13 Thread Pandian, Thiru
I have upgraded the database from 8.0.5/8.1.7 to 9.2.0.4 and changed
character set using alter database character set.
It will work without any problem. Go for it. 


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I am in the process of planning our upgrade for our 8.1.5 database to
8.1.7.4.  This is the first step in upgrading all my databases to
9.2.0.4.
As part of this upgrade I am changing the character set from
WE8ISO8859P1 to
UTF8.  Has anyone done this change using the ALTER DATABASE CHARACTER
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command?  If so, was there any problems?

Thanks,

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RE: Performance tuning in complex environment

2003-12-13 Thread Cary Millsap
Avnish,

The book goes through this a bit on p61. There are a few tools out
there, including three from Oracle. As I mention in the book, I use our
own Hotsos Profiler, described at www.hotsos.com/products/profiler.html.


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I will try to get the output of v$system_event and will send it you
guys. In the mean time I have more question..

I am reading Cary's 'Optimizing Oracle Performance Book'. I am half way
thru and over looked rest of the chapters but didnt find an easy way to
analyze thousands of lines trace file. I am not very good in analyzing
big trace files and wondering how you guys analyze do that. Do you do it
manually or use any tool to get summarized report. I didnt see anything
in that book. I am also planning to take class from HotSos in Feb, 2004
in Seattle to see if that will help. I really appreciate all of your
input.

Thanks

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Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:04 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


The wholesale system wide collection of timing data is not generally
a good way to go about trouble shooting performance issues.

You need to pick a process, collect the timing data for that process,
and *only* that process, diagnose where the most time is being spent,
and determine what can be done to speed it up.

This in a nutshell is the basis of Cary's book, at least 
per my reading of it.

Always try to fix the stuff with the  biggest payoff.

It could be a SQL statement, it could be a misconfigured or
malfunctioning network card.  It could be that a developer 
is filling a temporary table with lots of data during a transaction,
then deleting the data and doing it over and over again, all the
while doing full table scans.  FTS is expensive when you want to 
retrieve 3 rows from a temp table with 500 meg of extents in it.

Just for grins though, how about running this script and posting
the output for us?  Sometimes you get lucky, and something may
appear really out of whack.  No guarantees though.  Troubleshooting
system performance problems takes more than an email.

HTH

Jared

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col event format a35 head 'EVENT NAME'
col total_waits format 999,999,999 head TOTAL|WAITS
col total_timeouts format 999,999,999 head TOTAL|TIMEOUTS
col time_waited format 999,999,999 head TIME|WAITED|SECONDS
col average_wait format 9 head AVG|WAIT|100ths

set line 150
set trimspool on

select
event,
total_waits,
total_timeouts,
time_waited/100 time_waited,
average_wait
from v$system_event
order by time_waited
/





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 Little back ground about our environment. Its third party application
(Logician) from GE. There are total 11 databases, all on oracle 8174
H-UX 11i in cluster environment. All the databases are on EMC Symmetrix
using 6 disks. All the clients are connecting to database thru Citrix
terminal servers. 
 In last one year we spend lots of time/money in tuning databases,
replacing Citrix servers but end result is same. I was wondering if
anybody out there has ran into same kind of situation. Our (DBAs) guess
is the disk layout is not optimal but we also dont have any data to
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RE: rebuilding indexes - sure to cause a ruckus

2003-12-13 Thread Cary Millsap
 not to mention running 48 batch jobs on a 8CPU box with all of them 
 committing after every record and using the table to generate keys
(Cary 
 would love this one) ;) They wanted to find other reasons and he 
 conveniently ignored the real problem.

Beautiful...


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Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:20 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


  If it's from Oracle, I would believe it, i.e., I would believe 
somebody did actually say that ;) But it does not make it right. Now 
only if management knew/believed that.

Some more from Oracle,

- Oracle writes to one log member and then the other. So you need both 
log members for recovery. Volunteered to help us use 
_allow_resetlogs_corruption when we had one intact log member. (Took a 
lot of effort not to tell him to read the concepts manual. Was from a 
Sev1 problem that happened a few years ago.)

-  Increasing hit ratio, OS swap size to 3 times the OS memory and 
improving data proximity in an index (never really understood this one) 
among other bizarre ones  to improve performance. This from an Oracle 
consultant who was called onsite by Development Management because we 
claimed the real reason was because the application was committing after

every record to avoid locking issues on a table generating sequences, 
not to mention running 48 batch jobs on a 8CPU box with all of them 
committing after every record and using the table to generate keys (Cary

would love this one) ;) They wanted to find other reasons and he 
conveniently ignored the real problem.

BTW, I personally don't like having a zillion extents for an object 
(more so when you have multiple DBA Replacement Tools querying 
dba_extents constantly and showing flashing red lights) and would expect

the development team NOT to give me a deer in the headlights look when 
asked for table sizing info. Response most often heard is Why do you 
need that. Oracle will be able to take care of it or can't Oracle take 
care of it or some variation thereof  What I really want to say is if 
you don't have any idea about your data, then please don't write any 
SQL. That should take care of most performance issues.

Barbara Baker wrote:

You probably think you're joking.
Unfortunately . . .

We've been fighting with Oracle for several months
about SEVERE performance degradation on an OpenVMS
application after we upgraded the database to 8.1.7.4

One of Oracle's recommendations taken directly from
our TAR just 2 weeks ago:

o Ensure tables and indexes have as few extents as
possible.

sigh...

Barb


--- Bobak, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

I think this subject has been done to death.  We
should talk about less contentious issues such as:

 - The buffer cache hit ratio, your friend in expert
Oracle tuning!
 - Rebuild your tables regularly to reduce the
number of extents and improve performance!
 - Disk access is at least 10,000x slower than
memory, to tune your database, eliminate physical
I/O!

Anyone else got and good ones? ;-)

-Mark




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