Re: Re: SUN vs. HP

2001-03-24 Thread Allan Nelson

HP at version 10 and better is yet another SYSVR4 system.  From a users or
programmers point of view it is very generic.  Service Guard is HP fault
tolerant solution where two boxes share disk and if one node fails the other
can take over.  It is fairly complex and requires a good UNIX sysadmin.
Oracle runs well in this environment.

Allan
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> HI..
> can someone please tell me a 'bit more'
> about HP does it follow the 'basic tenets' of UNIX
> or is it a 'freak deviant' version of UNIX (like AIX!!!)..
>
>  For starters what is service guard please?
>  is it a cluster software? or RAID software to handle
>  disk boxes?
>
>
>  How 'different' is HP unix from Solaris?
>  (both from a DBA's point of view and sys admin's point of view)!
>
>  Thanks
>
>
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> "C.S.Venkata Subramanian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> From:"C.S.Venkata Subramanian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date:Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:16:34 -0800
> Subject:Re: SUN vs. HP
>
>  I have been working with Oracle under HP, I find HP server with high
fault toulerence and reliable. If we tune the OS and DB then we can get
maximum performance. One word of caution is that, if u use Mc Servicegaurd
then u shud go for OPS. Which works for only on RAW partitions.
Administration will not be a easy job. Instead go for AutoRAID box which HP
has got. It converts itself bet RAID5 and RAID1/0.
>
> My recomendation will be for RAID10, where u have disk mirroring,stripping
and protection for Data and better performance.
>
> I have not worked with SUN. But i have heard that the native
code,compilation and testing of oracle is in the SUN OS.
>
> But HP is also a good OS.
>
> H/w is slightly costlier in HP.
>
>
> --
>
> On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:31:59
>  Alex Apostolopoulos wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >we are currently in the process of evaluating a high availiability
cluster
> >for our production database. The final two solutions are:
> >
> >SunCluster 2x420R 2Gig 2x450Mhz
> >Storage 100Gig
> >
> >Hewlett Packard MC ServiceGuard
> >2xL-Class 2x440Mhz 2Gig
> >Storage VA 7100 100Gig
> >
> >Based on our criterias (scalability, performance, TCO, price,
reliability,
> >support, in house experience  ...) it looks like a dead race...
> >
> >Any suggestions or thoughts would be help full
> >
> >cheers alex
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Re: AIX volume group backup?

2001-03-03 Thread Allan Nelson

As strange as it sounds, it might be that your hosting service does not
understand that the Oracle backups obtained in this way are useless.  On the
other hand, this may be their way of getting copies of static files because
they have tapes to burn.

Allan
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we have 2 AIX servers at a remote hosting location.  The host managers
insist on doing volume group backups once a month, for all volumes on each
server.

Why would they insist on doing this?

What purpose would these volume backups serve in a recovery situation?



Thx.

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Re: OT: this is the last thing we need

2001-02-16 Thread Allan Nelson

I believe rich in the US includes all households making over $60,000.00 / yr
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>
> At 12:21 PM 2/16/01 -0800, you wrote:
> >Yeah I don't think you will get any money due to these tax cuts..Its
> >intented to rich people. I don't understand Instead of developing further
of
> >social net and Education system, I don't see any nice thing to cut taxes
and
> >draining the money from vital systems like federal spending either its
> >defence,social security and education.
> >
>
>
> (disclaimer: my experience is with Canada, although I bet my comments will
> be mostly true for the USA as well)
>
> Left/middle govts are always talking about "the rich". People complain
> about tax breaks because they'll mostly benefit "the rich". I wonder how
> many people realize that these govts' definition of "rich" includes
> probably as much as 90% of the working population? In Canada, at least,
you
> are one of "the rich" if you can afford a second car (not paid for, mind
> you). You are "rich" if you can afford mortgage payments or have some hope
> of being able to in the future. Lest you think I'm kidding, it's not all
> that long ago that our local government slapped huge tax increases on
> residents of Vancouver's west end, based on the idea that "those rich
> fatcats" could afford it (The West End is upscale real estate here FYI).
In
> fact the government reps made very heavy use of the words "they" and "we".
> Trouble is, it turned out that most of the rich fatcats were seniors on
> fixed incomes who'd bought their houses long before the West End became
> trendy, and who now couldn't afford the taxes. The governments reply:
"They
> can sell their houses or get mortgages". Yeah, so much for representing
> "us". The only "them" we need to be saved from are the politicians.
>
> In fact there is very little in the way of "they" when talking about "the
> rich". It's mostly "we". And the reason is simple. Governments can get
away
> with a lot more if they can define an enemy to capture your attention --
> some horrible "them" who are actually responsible for all your troubles.
> Trouble is, in this case, the definition of "they" has gotten so broad
over
> time that there is very little "not they" left.
>
> As to tax breaks mostly benefiting the "upper middle" income tax brackets,
> why are you surprised? Sliding tax scales mean that not only are "upper
> middle" earners paying more on an absolute basis, but also more as a
> percentage of income. Not to mention the various "temporary surtaxes" that
> have been imposed over time. It is very difficult to come up with a tax
> scheme that benefits "the poor" and doesn't benefit "the rich" -- at least
> one that means anything -- by playing with the income tax tables. However,
> a very good plan based on guaranteed minimum income was recommended by a
> government task force a few years back -- and was rejected out of hand by
> our oh-so-compassionate liberal government.
>
> And BTW, if you're thinking of claiming that high taxes benefit "the
poor",
> come to Vancouver. Canada has (last time I looked) the 4th or 5th highest
> marginal tax rate in the industrialized world, and we've still got
> panhandlers on every street corner. In fact Canada, with one of the
highest
> tax rates, and the U.S. with one of the lowest, have roughly equivalent
> poverty rates overall.
>
> As to "safety nets", if someone in my family ever gets sick, we're going
> straight over the border into Seattle for treatment. The Canadian medical
> system exists in name only.
>
> Face it -- high taxes pay for only one thing -- politicians and political
> patronage.
>
>
>
>
>
> Dennis Taylor
> 
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OFF Topic: Does Anyone use Metilinx products

2001-02-16 Thread Allan Nelson

Hello List:

My company is thinking of using a company known as MetiLinx to build a small
sales data warehouse.  They have two products I-System and I-Manager that
they claim will manager cluster resources to the extent that hardware
requirements can be reduced by up to 40%.  They also claim that their
software can make SQL Server 7.0 perform in a manner similar to Oracle
Parallel Server by using their technology.  I would deeply appreciate any
feedback, positive or negative, about these products that you may have.

Thanks
Allan

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Re: Converting DOS batch file to UNIX script

2001-02-16 Thread Allan Nelson

cp, mkdir, cd, echo, rm
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Hello All:

We are a Windows shop developing a software product that runs on an Oracle
database.  Most of our clients also run Oracle on Windows.  Recently, a
couple of our new clients have decided to run our database on a UNIX server
instead of NT server.  I do not know what flavour of UNIX our clients have.
I know the slashes go in the other direction in UNIX scripts, but can
anybody tell me the UNIX equivalent of COPY, MKDIR, CD, ECHO, and REM?

Here are a few lines of the batch file we use to install our product.  Can
anybody help me to convert DOS batch file commands to generic UNIX script
commands?

---snip---
@ECHO OFF
ECHO ³  To run this installation please type (at the CD-ROM prompt)
³
IF "==%1" GOTO NODRIVE
CD\
MKDIR %1:\DB543
COPY \SERVER\SCRIPTS\Install.bat   %1:\DB543\SERVER\SCRIPTS\Install.bat
>NUL:
:NODRIVE
REM this is a remark
call %1:\DB543\SERVER\Scripts\Install.bat parm1 parm2 parm3

sqlplus system/manager@db
---snip---

Thanks for your help.

Sam


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Re: OT:Clinton/the economy etc.

2001-02-16 Thread Allan Nelson

modest too!
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> Wow You discovered Greatest truth BTW Iam a resident of Canada.
Indians
> never talk about their selfish ends..They always has Big heart!!
> I think for some reason you pissed off with Indians, May be fear
> compition Cheer up man
>
>
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> >Subject: OT:Clinton/the economy etc.
> >Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:01:25 -0800
> >
> >Wow, look at all those H1s blowing Clinton's horn.
> >Isn't it interesting.  Not a single Indian rising to
> >the GOPs defense.  Could it be they're worried that
> >the H1 gravy train will come screeching to an end?  I
> >think they're starting to believe their own press
> >about how there aren't any Americans available and
> >that they're all highly trained exceptional specimens
> >of programming talent.  Hardly.
> >
> >Jingo man.
> >
> >PS: or if they're in India, WTF are they doing
> >presuming to have an opinion on the president of the
> >United States of America??
> >
> >PPS: Have a great day.
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Re: Urgent! Change Character Set from WE8IS088591 to UTF8

2001-02-13 Thread Allan Nelson

I think export and import are the only way you can do this.
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> I have a 8.1.6.0.0 database.
> 
> What is the best way to change Character Set from WE8ISO8859P1 to UTF8
> 
>  from: 
> NLS_CHARACTERSET WE8ISO8859P1   
> 
> To:
> NLS_CHARACTERSET UTF8  
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Larry
> 
> 
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Re: Oracle vs MS Access

2001-02-13 Thread Allan Nelson

I don't know of any comparisons but unless you have only a very tiny amount
of data and you expect only one connection to the database at a time I would
not use Access.
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We are developing web database standards in my workplace.  I need to
identify advantages/disadvantages of using Oracle verses MS Access for web
databases.

Does anyone know of any good resources for gathering this info (web sites,
articles, etc)?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Maria

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Re: Difference between OAS and OiAS

2001-02-13 Thread Allan Nelson

Different names for the same product at different time in its life
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>
> Anyone have any idea what the difference between the following two
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> from Oracle.
>
> Oracle Application Server and Oracle Internet Application Server
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Re: No recovery situation

2001-02-13 Thread Allan Nelson

With a corrupt system tablespace and no backups you have no further recovery
options.
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> Hello list,
> I know that the answer to my question it´s going to be a negative one,
> but I have to try to do all that I can do.
> Until yesterday I was doing some attempt with an Oracle installation,
> without a backup copy. And, unfortunately, I had to format  my computer
> (!!!).
> Now I have the data associated with this installation,  I could save the
> datafiles (*dbf). The database was in a non archivelog mode, and what is
> the worst thing of all, it had some corrupt blocks in the system.dbf
> file.
> Could I do something with them, or are they totally unworhty?
> Could anybody give me an advice?
> Maybe it would be easier for me to start from the beginning again
> A lot of thanks,
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Re: Parameter obsolete

2001-02-09 Thread Allan Nelson



Yes, that's what the error message is all 
about.

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  Subject: Parameter obsolete
  Hello list, This question is not a matter or life or death 
  but a curiosity I have. I´m working with Oracle 8.1.6 and NT. Each time I 
  open the database, I get the next message in the XXXALERT.log : 
    Obsolete system parameters with 
  specified values:   
  distributed_lock_timeout I included it the init.ora file 
  following a friend advice, but i have read that it has no sense in this Oracle 
  version, so, could anybody tell me if I can delete it? 
  TIA -- Beatriz Martínez Jiménez  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   Ingeniera Informática Fundación CIDAUT  Parque 
  Tecnológico de Boecillo, parcela 209  Boecillo 47151 
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Re: Pinning Tables

2001-02-05 Thread Allan Nelson

Use the cache parameter to the alter table command
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> Only  method (which I am aware of )  to pin objects in SGA is
DBMS_SHARED_POOL
> package. However,  this package does not support pinning tables and views.
>
> I am curious if there is a way to pin a table/view.
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> Eveleen
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> "Kevin Kostyszyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 02/05/2001 09:36:13 AM
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>   Message - From: "Kevin Kostyszyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 02/05/2001
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>  Subject: Pinning Tables
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> Hi all,
>  I have been trying to find some reference on pinning tables in the
SGA.  I
> haven't found anything, all that I am finding is table caching and the
keep
> buffer pool.  Is this all that there is, can I "pin" a table in the
memory?
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Sincerely,
> Kevin Kostyszyn
> DBA
> Dulcian, Inc
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Re: Patchset installation

2001-02-05 Thread Allan Nelson

Not a good idea.  Oracle links some libs in with a direcory that is in
Oracle Home.
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> Hi,
>
> I am looking into installing a patchset with minimum downtime.  Standard
> Oracle procedure for installing a patchset is:
> 1. Shutdown the database
> 2. Install the patch binaries, relink.
> 3. Startup database (restrict ?), run the cat* scripts.
>
> I wanted to change the procedure so that instead of having the database
down
> during the patch install and relinking, prior to the procedure I copy the
> binaries to a newly created home, install the patch on the new home,
relink
> the binaries under the new home, and than just restart the database from
the
> new home.  To make sure that everything is OK, I would postpone the cat*
> scripts run, for a later time, once I am sure that everything is OK.  If
> something goes wrong I haven't changed anything in the database, and I can
> just go back to the old home.
>
> Has anybody tried this ?  What is the significance of cat* scripts.  As
far
> as I understand them, oracle does not use them and do not care about them,
> only some apps might break (most of all DBA type of scripts).
>
> Thanks.
>
> Djordje
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