RE: Oracle vs DB2

[Frank N. Pettinato]

You are absolutely correct. Oracle's getting this price because they can. I
wonder how much market share they will lose before Larry switches things
around?

When I asked my salescritter about this he said Well we sure are selling
alot of licenses - Go figure...

Thanks,
Frank

-Original Message-
Patrice J
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 9:45 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Well,

This is on topic - www.wired.com http://www.wired.com  today has an
article re. IBM announced that it is buying Informix for $1Billion.

Ah, if only I had that kind of money myself - I could take more Oracle
courses!

I don't know what will happen with Informix then, does that mean they will
gobble it up and DB2 will be the only option in a couple of years?

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)

Systems Admin  Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
Technology Services| Services technologiques
Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique
Maritimes Region, DFO  | Région des Maritimes, MPO

E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From:   Dennis Taylor [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Tuesday, April 24, 2001 12:57 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject:Oracle vs DB2

Disclaimer: I am *not* trying to start a religious war, and I am
*not*
trying to advocate DB2. I am simply offended. Thus this post.

As some may remember, I'm doing an evaluation of Oracle vs DB2 vs
SQLServer
to determine our future direction. Here's a datum that makes a
significant
difference to us, dollar-wise.

With Oracle, in order to make a database accessible to the internet
through
a web page, you have to buy an unlimited-user enterprise license. We
had a
senior sales person in our office yesterday, and we asked this
question a
number of different ways. He bobbed and he weaved, but he did not
deny it.
And the quote he supplied afterwards does not address the issue at
all.

Cost of unlimited-user Enterprise version for our installation (your
mileage may vary) = Approx $160,000 Cdn.

IBM, for the same purpose, will sell you DB2 UDB Workgroup edition
(1
user), and something called WE Internet Access, for a total price of
$6000
Cdn. I have a written quote from an IBM salescritter to this effect.

$6000. $160,000. $6000. $160,000. Hm. Let me think.

I respectfully submit that Oracle's pricing structure is out of line
with
market realities, and may have to undergo significant revision.



Dennis Taylor

Don't be fooled by old cliches - He who laughs last may have
just figured out the joke.

--
Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
--
Author: Dennis Taylor
  INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051  FAX: (858) 538-5051
San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing
Lists

To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message
to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in
the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L
(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from).  You may
also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
--
Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
--
Author: Boivin, Patrice J
  INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051  FAX: (858) 538-5051
San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists

To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message
to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in
the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L
(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from).  You may
also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).

-- 
Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
-- 
Author: Frank N. Pettinato
  INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051  FAX: (858) 538-5051
San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists

To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message
to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in
the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L
(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from).  You may
also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).

RE: hiding passwords on NT

[Frank N. Pettinato]

You should be able to add an entry in the client's ODBC settings for uid and
pwd. It's been a long time since I worked with this stuff...I would search
the M$ web site to be sure, but I think that you can just create two new
strings under the ODBC connection key and the app will not prompt you.

List , any help with this one?

Thanks,
Frank Pettinato
Oracle DBA



-Original Message-
Robert D SSgt AFIT/SCA
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 8:01 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Is this VB app something that is developed internally within your
organization?  Or is it a third party tool that you have no control over?
The reason I ask is because if it is something that you have access to the
source code for, it seems to me that you could just as easily hard-code the
username/password into the source code of the application, in which case
when it is compiled, it will be compiled into the binary .exe which you
would never be able to get into (without decompiling/reverse-engineering it
that is).  That's what I would do.

-::YEX::-
)))

-Original Message-
Sent: Friday, 06 April, 2001 7:41 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


We have a NT client program written in VB that uses a single user to connect
to the database. The application does not prompt for a user or password. The
user and password that is used for connection to the database is passed to
the client program as parameters in t he application shortcut.

We would like to hide this user and password somewhere, rather than have it
in the shortcut.

Any advice on the best way to do this?

OS authentication is not an option.

John

--
Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
--
Author: John Dunn
  INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051  FAX: (858) 538-5051
San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists

To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message
to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in
the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L
(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from).  You may
also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
--
Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
--
Author: Yexley Robert D SSgt AFIT/SCA
  INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051  FAX: (858) 538-5051
San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists

To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message
to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in
the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L
(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from).  You may
also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).

-- 
Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
-- 
Author: Frank N. Pettinato
  INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051  FAX: (858) 538-5051
San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists

To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message
to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in
the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L
(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from).  You may
also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).