Strange execution plan picking random index to do bitmap conv on.

2003-11-07 Thread Turner, Adrian A SITI-ITPSIE
[Sorry, also posted with the wrong subject title - RE: (un)intelligent agent]

Hi all,

Does anyone have an idea why the query is picking a random local bitmap index whose 
single column is not used in the query to do a conversion on?

Regards,
Adrian

---

SELECT   1
FROM small_t bo_
WHERE exists (
select 1 
from big_t 
where bo_.be_id = inv5)

--
| Operation |  Name Rows | Bytes|  Cost  | 
Pstart| Pstop |
--
| SELECT STATEMENT  |352 |   17K| 29 | 
  |   |
|  FILTER   ||  || 
  |   |
|   TABLE ACCESS FULL   |SMALL_T 352 |   17K| 29 | 
  |   |
|   PARTITION RANGE SINGLE  ||  || 
  KEY |   KEY |
|TABLE ACCESS BY LOCAL INDEX ROWID  |BIG_T   250K|2M|  26561 | 
  KEY |   KEY |
| BITMAP CONVERSION TO ROWIDS   ||  || 
  |   |
|  BITMAP INDEX FULL SCAN   |TRANSACTIONT_BIX9   |  || 
  KEY |   KEY |
--

Version 8.1.7.4.1, WinNT

TABLETYPEINDEX_NAME  NUM_ROWS  BLVL DSTNCT_KYS CF COLUMN_NAME
--
BIG_TBITMAP  TRANSACTIONT_BIX9   24041302 1  2   1953 INV9

BIG_T is partitioned on INV5. There is no index on INV5.

NAME TYPEVALUE
 --- --
object_cache_optimal_sizeinteger 102400
optimizer_features_enablestring  8.1.7
optimizer_index_caching  integer 0
optimizer_index_cost_adj integer 100
optimizer_max_permutations   integer 8
optimizer_mode   string  CHOOSE
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RE: (un)intelligent agent

2003-11-07 Thread Turner, Adrian A SITI-ITPSIE
Hi all,

Does anyone have an idea why the query is picking a random local bitmap index whose 
single column is not used in the query to do a conversion on?

Regards,
Adrian

---

SELECT   1
FROM small_t bo_
WHERE exists (
select 1 
from big_t 
where bo_.be_id = inv5)

--
| Operation |  Name Rows | Bytes|  Cost  | 
Pstart| Pstop |
--
| SELECT STATEMENT  |352 |   17K| 29 | 
  |   |
|  FILTER   ||  || 
  |   |
|   TABLE ACCESS FULL   |SMALL_T 352 |   17K| 29 | 
  |   |
|   PARTITION RANGE SINGLE  ||  || 
  KEY |   KEY |
|TABLE ACCESS BY LOCAL INDEX ROWID  |BIG_T   250K|2M|  26561 | 
  KEY |   KEY |
| BITMAP CONVERSION TO ROWIDS   ||  || 
  |   |
|  BITMAP INDEX FULL SCAN   |TRANSACTIONT_BIX9   |  || 
  KEY |   KEY |
--

Version 8.1.7.4.1, WinNT

TABLETYPEINDEX_NAME  NUM_ROWS  BLVL DSTNCT_KYS CF COLUMN_NAME
--
BIG_TBITMAP  TRANSACTIONT_BIX9   24041302 1  2   1953 INV9

BIG_T is partitioned on INV5. There is no index on INV5.

NAME TYPEVALUE
 --- --
object_cache_optimal_sizeinteger 102400
optimizer_features_enablestring  8.1.7
optimizer_index_caching  integer 0
optimizer_index_cost_adj integer 100
optimizer_max_permutations   integer 8
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RE: Strange execution plan picking random index to do bitmap conv on.

2003-11-07 Thread Turner, Adrian A SITI-ITPSIE
Sorry, its late on Friday and need beer...

The bitmap index is partitioned in INV5.

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[Sorry, also posted with the wrong subject title - RE: (un)intelligent agent]

Hi all,

Does anyone have an idea why the query is picking a random local bitmap index whose 
single column is not used in the query to do a conversion on?

Regards,
Adrian

---

SELECT   1
FROM small_t bo_
WHERE exists (
select 1 
from big_t 
where bo_.be_id = inv5)

--
| Operation |  Name Rows | Bytes|  Cost  | 
Pstart| Pstop |
--
| SELECT STATEMENT  |352 |   17K| 29 | 
  |   |
|  FILTER   ||  || 
  |   |
|   TABLE ACCESS FULL   |SMALL_T 352 |   17K| 29 | 
  |   |
|   PARTITION RANGE SINGLE  ||  || 
  KEY |   KEY |
|TABLE ACCESS BY LOCAL INDEX ROWID  |BIG_T   250K|2M|  26561 | 
  KEY |   KEY |
| BITMAP CONVERSION TO ROWIDS   ||  || 
  |   |
|  BITMAP INDEX FULL SCAN   |TRANSACTIONT_BIX9   |  || 
  KEY |   KEY |
--

Version 8.1.7.4.1, WinNT

TABLETYPEINDEX_NAME  NUM_ROWS  BLVL DSTNCT_KYS CF COLUMN_NAME
--
BIG_TBITMAP  TRANSACTIONT_BIX9   24041302 1  2   1953 INV9

BIG_T is partitioned on INV5. There is no index on INV5.

NAME TYPEVALUE
 --- --
object_cache_optimal_sizeinteger 102400
optimizer_features_enablestring  8.1.7
optimizer_index_caching  integer 0
optimizer_index_cost_adj integer 100
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RE: What is happening to OTN 9iRel2 page?

2003-09-26 Thread Turner, Adrian A SITI-ITPSIE
Try this...

http://otn.oracle.com/pls/db92/db92.docindex?remark=homepage


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http://www.oracle.com

Bottom you have Technologies ; In that Click Technology network to get to 
http://otn.oracle.com/index.html
Choose Documentation from one of the top icons.

You should be in http://otn.oracle.com/documentation/index.html.

Click on 9i Rel2 to get to http://otn.oracle.com/documentation/index.html
Click on View Library to and YOU GET 8.1.7 library??

Click on List of books , choose SQL  , ChooseSQL Reference 
You are back again to http://otn.oracle.com/documentation/index.html

Where are we?

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RE: Nosort parallel dml uses TEMP tablespace

2003-09-17 Thread Turner, Adrian A SITI-ITPSIE
Title: RE: Nosort parallel dml uses TEMP tablespace






I'm even more confused now. 


TEMP ran out of space at 20GB - I'm only inserting 12.2GB!


So I kicked it off again with the hint just as /*+ APPEND */ and it completed successfully in 1/6th the time to failure of the parallel insert.

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Sent: 16 September 2003 15:16

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Subject: Nosort parallel dml uses TEMP tablespace


Apologies if this has been covered before but metalink is not clear on the reasons behind it


The database is running version 9204 EE on WinNT Sp6; and the statement is a parallel direct load into partitioned table selecting from a 12.2GB source table.

ALTER SESSION ENABLE PARALLEL DML ;


INSERT /*+ APPEND PARALLEL(TRANSACTION_NEW,4) */ INTO TRANSACTION_NEW

(select * from TRANSACTIONS);


I'm seeing segments created in the temp tablespace (from v$sort_usage)


Sess# User Name TABLESPACE CONTENTS ext BLOCKS SZ_MB

- - --- -  -- --

 9 SYS TEMP2 TEMPORARY 1629 208512 1629

 11 SYS TEMP2 TEMPORARY 1629 208512 1629

 12 SYS TEMP2 TEMPORARY 1629 208512 1629

 13 SYS TEMP2 TEMPORARY 1629 208512 1629


I've enough space and it'll finish by tomorrow morning which is the deadline but does anyone know why TEMP is required and what the end to end process is?

I would have expected to have seen temporary segments created, but in the partitions own tablespace. It doesnt seem optimal to me.

Thanks in advance for your help,


Regards,

Adrian





RE: Nosort parallel dml uses TEMP tablespace

2003-09-17 Thread Turner, Adrian A SITI-ITPSIE
Thanks for the input Praveen, if only it were that easy.

The sql is a straight insert into tab1 select * from tab2 but with a parallel dml 
hint. Remove the parallel and it doesnt use TEMP. Theres no distinct, group by, order 
by or indexes on the target table (there are 12 or so on the source table).

As I said I've been reading metalink notes like mad.. 

Note:50592.1 says

Parallel Insert  SYNTAX: ALTER session enable parallel dml; INSERT /*+ APPEND 
PARALLEL(d2 4) */ into d2 SELECT ...HOW IT WORKS: Each slave creates a 
TEMPORARY segment in target tablespace with  INITIAL=NEXT from the tables storage 
clause. Each slave then populates its own segment in a similar manner to parallel  
SQLLOAD except that the rows are taken from the SELECT row source.  On 
completion of the INSERT segments are MERGED one TEMPORARY segment with  all 
trailing extents being trimmed - Note: we DO trim the temporary segment that we 
are merging into. 

So apparently Each slave creates a TEMPORARY segment in target tablespace but I am 
getting them appearing in the TEMP tablespace, not the tablespaces containing the 
partitions.

And the volume of TEMP required does not compute either.

BTW there are 27 partitions in the target table, which does not match the number 
parallel slaves

Cheers,
Adrian


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Adrian,



Please see the 2nd point. This will always use Temporary tablespace even if
you have some other tablespace for the table getting inserted.

Operations Requiring Sorting
 Index creation
 Parallel insert operation involving index maintenance
 ORDER BY or GROUP BY clauses
 DISTINCT values selection
 UNION, INTERSECT, or MINUS operators
 Sort-merge joins
 ANALYZE command execution

Please ignore this if you know it already.

The Sort Process
The Oracle server sorts in memory if the work can be done within an area
smaller than
the value (in bytes) of the parameter SORT_AREA_SIZE.
If the sort needs more space than this value:
1 The data is split into smaller pieces, called sort runs; and each piece
is sorted
individually.
2 The server process writes pieces to temporary segments on disk; these
segments
hold intermediate sort runs data while the server works on another sort
run.
3 The sorted pieces are merged to produce the final result. If
SORT_AREA_SIZE is
not large enough to merge all the runs at once, subsets of the runs are
merged in a
number of merge passes.




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Praveen
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RE: Nosort parallel dml uses TEMP tablespace

2003-09-17 Thread Turner, Adrian A SITI-ITPSIE
Title: RE: Nosort parallel dml uses TEMP tablespace



Thanks 
for having a look Tanel; that makes great sense.

I'll 
have a quick play to convince myself but I'd say its a lesson 
learned.

BTW 
did you too experience more temp allocation than you would have 
expected?

Thanks 
again,
Adrian


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  Re: Nosort parallel dml uses TEMP tablespace
  Hi!
  
  Btw, I did a little testing with PARALLEL 2, and 
  yes it seems to be a parallel slave communications issue, despite the segments 
  show type "SORT". 
  When i traced sorting with 10032  10033, I 
  saw sort segment allocation, but no real sorting occurring. When I compared 
  first rows in source table with target one,I saw that when in source 
  table I had rows (1,2,3,4,5,6,7), then in beginning of target table, I had 
  (1,3,5,7,etc..). That means I had only one session reading data (query 
  coordinator), which then evenly distributed data to it's slaves. 
  
  You should includePARALLEL hint to your 
  select statement as well, with same number of slaves (in addition to insert 
  +append one), that way PX can work parallel_to_parallel way, thus for each 
  producing (query) slave there is a consuming slave and data doesn't have to be 
  distributed or splitted from one source to several queues (like with 
  parallel_from_serial). That way no data is intermediately stored to temporary 
  segments.
  This worked for me, but since PX is a complex 
  mechanism, youmight see different results.
  
  Tanel.
  
  
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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 
2:44 PM
Subject: Re: Nosort parallel dml uses 
TEMP tablespace

Hi!

It could be that parallel slaves are passing 
intermediate results using TEMP tablespace for some reason. (When table 
queues are full in some cases or smth like that). It can depend on parallel 
execution plan as well (whether it's parallel_to_parallel or 
parallel_to_serial data distribution).

If you used only /*+ APPEND */ without 
parallel, then operations were done serially by one session only, thus no 
intermediate result passing between slaves (using table queues) were needed. 


You might want to post your question to 
comp.databases.oracle.server newsgroup, I've seen Jonathan Lewis answering 
more advanced performance related questions there.

Tanel.


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  Subject: RE: Nosort parallel dml uses 
  TEMP tablespace
  
  I'm even more confused now. 
  
  TEMP ran out of space at 20GB - 
  I'm only inserting 12.2GB! 
  So I kicked it off again with the 
  hint just as /*+ APPEND */ and it completed successfully in 1/6th the time 
  to failure of the parallel insert.
  
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Message----- From:  Turner, Adrian A 
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September 2003 15:16 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
Subject: 
Nosort parallel dml uses TEMP 
tablespace 
Apologies if this has been 
covered before but metalink is not clear on the reasons behind 
it 
The database is running 
version 9204 EE on WinNT Sp6; and the statement is a parallel direct 
load into partitioned table selecting from a 12.2GB source 
table.

  ALTER SESSION 
  ENABLE PARALLEL DML ; 
  INSERT /*+ APPEND 
  PARALLEL(TRANSACTION_NEW,4) */ INTO TRANSACTION_NEW 
  (select * from 
  TRANSACTIONS); 
I'm seeing segments created 
in the temp tablespace (from v$sort_usage) 

  Sess# User Name 
  TABLESPACE 
  CONTENTS 
  ext BLOCKS 
  SZ_MB - - --- - 
   -- --  9 
  SYS 
  TEMP2 
  TEMPORARY 1629 
  208512 1629 
   11 
  SYS 
  TEMP2 
  TEMPORARY 1629 
  208512 1629 
   12 
  SYS 
  TEMP2 
  TEMPORARY 1629 
  208512 1629 
   13 
  SYS 
  TEMP2 
  TEMPORARY 1629 
  208512 1629 
I've enough space and it'll 
finish by tomorrow morning which is the deadline but does anyone know 
why TEMP is required and what the end to end process 
is?
I would have expected to 
have seen temporary segments created, but in the partitions own 
tablespace. It doesnt se

Nosort parallel dml uses TEMP tablespace

2003-09-16 Thread Turner, Adrian A SITI-ITPSIE
Title: Nosort parallel dml uses TEMP tablespace






Apologies if this has been covered before but metalink is not clear on the reasons behind it


The database is running version 9204 EE on WinNT Sp6; and the statement is a parallel direct load into partitioned table selecting from a 12.2GB source table.

ALTER SESSION ENABLE PARALLEL DML ;


INSERT /*+ APPEND PARALLEL(TRANSACTION_NEW,4) */ INTO TRANSACTION_NEW

(select * from TRANSACTIONS);


I'm seeing segments created in the temp tablespace (from v$sort_usage)


Sess# User Name TABLESPACE CONTENTS ext BLOCKS SZ_MB

- - --- -  -- --

 9 SYS TEMP2 TEMPORARY 1629 208512 1629

 11 SYS TEMP2 TEMPORARY 1629 208512 1629

 12 SYS TEMP2 TEMPORARY 1629 208512 1629

 13 SYS TEMP2 TEMPORARY 1629 208512 1629


I've enough space and it'll finish by tomorrow morning which is the deadline but does anyone know why TEMP is required and what the end to end process is?

I would have expected to have seen temporary segments created, but in the partitions own tablespace. It doesnt seem optimal to me.

Thanks in advance for your help,


Regards,

Adrian





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RE: AW: Cannot delete datafile from O/S -- Help !!

2003-03-08 Thread Turner, Adrian A SITI-ITPSIE
My workaround is to offline the tablespace first; seems to work and havent
experienced any issues - but then maybe I'm just lucky. ;-)

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Though this is how it works on NT, I was pleasantly surprised
the other day when I was able to delete the files from a tablespace
that had just been dropped on Win2k.

Jared

On Friday 07 March 2003 04:53, Stefan Jahnke wrote:
 Hi Khanna(?)

 Happens alot. Windows still holds a handle to the file. Just wait 'till
 next scheduled reboot (shouldn't be too long;).

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 Guys,

 SQL drop tablespace DATA14 including contents;
 Tablespace dropped.

 the name of the datafile in DATA14 tablespace is DATA141.DBF

 SQLselect * from v$tablespace where name = 'DATA14';
 no rows selected

 SQLselect * from v$tdatafile where name = 'DATA14.DBF';
 no rows selected

 when i try to delete the file DATA14.DBF from o/s , it says :
 Cannot delete DATA14. There has been a sharing violation.The source or
 destination file may be in use.

 why is it so ? how can i delete the file from O/S ?
 can someone help me ?

 the ENV is 8.1.6 / win2k.

 TIA.
 Jp.
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RE: Count(*) last 30 seconds

2003-02-12 Thread Turner, Adrian A SITI-ITPSIE
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Ramon,

Our Win2k boxes get between 1000-2000 gets a 
second off a SAN. 


Are you using 
compressed folders to store your datafiles?

Whats 
Multi_block_read_countset to? 
Set MBRC to 32 (32x8K=256K). Make 
your extent sizesare divisable by 
256Kto reduce 
gets

Regards
Adrian

  -Original Message-From: Broodbakker, Mario 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 12 February 2003 
  14:09To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
  RE: Count(*) last 30 seconds
  That's not so bad: 14644 physical reads in 30 seconds..that's about 500 
  I/O sec. Depending on your disk layout that's pretty optimal, I 
  think.
  
  Mario
  
-Original Message-From: Ramon E. Estevez 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: woensdag 12 februari 
2003 14:19To: Multiple recipients of list 
ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Count(*) last 30 
seconds
Hermant, Sergey

The table has 13 columns, the PK is formed for the first 
11.

There is no deletion nor update, just inserts in the table. I 
had truncated the tables sometimes testing the procedure that load the 
rows.

This is the result with an auto trace.

 COUNT(*)-- 
1466196

Execution 
Plan-- 
0 SELECT STATEMENT Optimizer=CHOOSE (Cost=896 
Card=1) 1 0 SORT 
(AGGREGATE) 2 1 
TABLE ACCESS (FULL) OF 'DM_VENTAS' (Cost=896 Card=1466196)





Statistics-- 
0 recursive 
calls 0 db 
block gets 14677 consistent 
gets 14644 physical 
reads 0 redo 
size 386 bytes sent via 
SQL*Net to client 503 
bytes received via SQL*Net from 
client 2 
SQL*Net roundtrips to/from 
client 0 
sorts (memory) 
0 sorts 
(disk) 1 
rows processed



  
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  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hemant K 
  ChitaleSent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:24 PMTo: 
  Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: Count(*) last 
  30 secondsYou are doing 
  Full-Table-Scans.1. What's the average row length ? 
  How many columns does the table have ?2. How many "consistent 
  gets" does the count(*) cause ? [ie, how many blocks does it actually have 
  to read ?]3. Are all these Physical Reads ? Is the 
  DB_CACHE_SIZE large enough to hold most of theblocks ? What is 
  the query-run-time if you re-run the query immediately again 
  ?HemantAt 08:19 AM 11-02-03 -0800, you wrote:
  Hi 
list,I issue a select 
count(*) from mytable and last 30 seconds.The table has 1,466,196 records and were loaded with 
a batch process, so they are in a countinous 
space.I consider that 
time exagerated.The TBS 
is LMT with a Uniform size of 128 MB.The block size is 8MB, version 9.2.0.1.0 in Windows 
2000.Where should I start 
looking ???TIARamon E. 
Estevez[EMAIL PROTECTED]809-565-3121
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