RE: Manager decrees his data warehouse design. Help!

2002-02-27 Thread johnm9563

We  Have the same issue here. Large Tables , loaded
nightly But nobody uses them. Management calls it a
Datawarehouse, I call it a data repository. Can a
cusotmer find out what they need. NOPE 
Document your findings, to C.Y.A.   
Good Luck 

--- Orr, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 When I was consulting at a particular client, I saw
 the effects of this
 approach after the fact. Massive amounts of data
 were loaded into tables
 that were never accessed except to load data because
 the users couldn't do
 anything with it. Later it was thought that to fix
 this all they had to do
 was send the users to training on the reporting
 tool. After they spent lots
 of money on training nothing changed because the
 users still didn't
 understand the data and couldn't do anything with
 it. Meanwhile, damangement
 checked off it's accomplishment of an objective on
 the HR management
 forms. I suspect that may be what you're dealing
 with. After all, isn't it
 more important to report that you did something that
 to actually do
 something worthwhile? ;-)  The notion that DBA's
 aren't needed and all you
 have to do is load data into a relational database
 and give the end users a
 point and click GUI tool is foolish but not uncommon
 with shortsided
 damagement.
 
 
 Steve Orr
 
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:48 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 I've lost patience, my temper, and I'm about to quit
 a job because the IT 
 manager has decreed that we will have his data
 warehouse running within 
 24 hours, and we will use his design.
 
 1 - We are NOT to use any kind of views, not even
 materailzed views.
 2 - we are not to do any computations, summaries or
 rollups
 3 - we are to have everything in one table
 4 - the table name and column names will be
 meaningful to any clerk
 5 - we are not to start or snowflake designs. 
 That's just a bunch of 
 high power talk.
 6 - all users will be trained to use MS Access to
 get at their 
 data.  (These are users that were just converted off
 from green screen 
 teminals within the last 45-days, to Windows 98 with
 64k RAM.)
 7 - We are not to just copy the legacy transactions.
 8 - We are to load into an Oracle table, all
 legacy transction data 
 because we don't want to limit how or what a user
 will look at
 9 - It is not necessary to talk with the users to
 see what data they want 
 to look at, or the atomic level.  They are smart
 enough to fighure this 
 out on their own.  We just need to provide them the
 data.
 10 - There shall be no long term maintenance
 required by the dw.
 
 
 Any ideas on how to deal with this situation?
 
 For tomorrow, I've done a CTAS from a materialized
 view that we created to 
 support one departments known requirements.
 
 
 Don
 
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Re: RE:Materialized views across a db l

2001-03-05 Thread johnm9563

The error happens on the create statement.  The sql works fine if the MV is is the 
same instance. As soon as I try to create the MV on  seperate 
instance thru a link , I get an ORA-12054: cannot set the ON COMMIT refresh attribute 
for the materialized view.  


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 HI JOHN,
 
 What exactly the error.Please be more specific.Was the MV created. Or after
 creation of MV after some interval (The interval specified while creating MV)
 you didn't see the refreshed data.I suppose that must be so..
 
 
 Check Job_queue_processes,Job_queue_interval parameters in your init.ora files
 of both DBS.Becuase these parameters create additionnal
 processes(SNP-processes) which will be responsible for your snapshot
 refresh.So please set these parameters
 
 And check any event parameter set in your init.ora file.If it is set then try
 to comment and see.This will be the case when above doesn't work
 
 Cheers
 Ganti
 
 
 
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