Re: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
Hi Dennis, There's no need to apologise. I don't blame you for trying to get the OCP in manner that's reduces risk and improves one's chance of success. The path of least resistance is one that is followed by human nature and if I were in your shoes and had your pressures I would do exactly the same thing. I wish you the best of luck with it all. I just also wish that the OCP program was worth a little more. See my other mail to Faan regarding the OCM program. Good in principle, but ... Good Luck Richard - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:34 AM Richard - My apologies that concern for passing the exam has caused some of us to exchange tips that you find offensive. And I truly admire those who have been able to just walk in the exams and pass. And I had similar gripes against the exams until I was felt the need to pass the exams. I understand that concerns like yours have caused Oracle to create the OCM. Have you taken a look at that? Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:39 AM Dennis, Do you have good practice exams? I have found that the best preparation for the OCP exams are good practice exams. I have reached the point where I just skim through the material in the whatever book you use (probably only possible if you have some miles on the clock as a DBA) and then drive the in depth study from the practice exams. This way you are spending your time more focused and find out what exactly the OCP exam will expect from you vs. what some author would like to teach you or even what the correct answer is in reality. Also, many of these questions in the practice exams will appear in the actual OCP exam which builds your confidence while writing the actual exam. It's comments such as these which are unfortunately all so common that really hits home what an laughable, sad and sorry affair the whole OCP program really is. I have this vision of people poring over example questions, desperately trying to memorise as many questions as possible, desperately trying to forget what is correct is reality for fear of not getting the required 65% multiple questions correct. Occasionally, they'll glance at the Inside OCP section of the Oracle Magazine and gain confidence in getting the jest of the complex concepts (and yes, further sample questions) it covers in each edition. And once they've passed and got that precious certificate, they're of course qualified to look after that banks enterprise database because they're Oracle approved Oracle Certified *Professionals*. And when the database runs like a dog, they'll open up their notebooks and decide is it: A) The Buffer Cache Hit Ratio is less than 90% B) The Library Cache Hit Ratio is less than 90% C) The DD Cache Hit Ratio is less than 90% D) The cleaning lady has accidentally pulled out the wrong plug E) Something else Good grief !! Now I too have spent many years teaching with Oracle Education and I'm Oracle 7, 8, 8i and 9i OCP (instructors were obliged to get certified) so I know a fair bit about the process. And I've seen students leave my classroom with 5 days Oracle experience behind them pass their OCP DBA Admin exam the following Tuesday (guess I was a good teacher :) Anyone see a problem ? At the time I kinda justified it as selling them water in that it doesn't really harm them, achieves nothing but at least they think it's doing them some good. Don't get me wrong, the training they received was excellent, it's the OCP bit that is fluff. But really, at the end of the day, having such an atrocious so called professional program ends up hurting the individual as they've paid a lot of money (for the exams) for very little benefit, it hurts organisations in that there's no *guarantee* of hiring anything closely resembling an Oracle Professional as the bar is so low it drags along the ground and really it ends up hurting Oracle Corp. as well. The *only* thing it does have going for it is that it motivates some people to getting training and investigating parts of Oracle they may otherwise not have much to do with. But I've always thought giving away free David Bowie Cds at training courses was a better way to go :) Richard -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Richard Foote INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an
Re: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
Hi Faan, I really do sympathise with folks that are kinda dragged into this whole OCP debacle by people who have obsoletely no understanding of how it's implemented and administered (HR heavies, higher management, recruitment agencies, outsourcing and system integrating organisations, etc.). And of course they push you for very good and noble reasons, generally to ensure that one is competent and qualified to perform the tasks required of the OCP job role. You know, a professional. What they fail to comprehend however is that the OCP program fails utterly to achieve these goals. It's a question of process and red tape rather than of achieving it's desired purpose and results. Sure many OCPs are extremely competent and professional however you can't be sure. In fact because the exams are so trivial you really can't be sure an OCP has ever opened an Oracle database. I agree that the OCM model is a far better measurement of what the OCP program was claiming to achieve. Hearing from people such a Pete Sharman who have gone through it, it's certainly a tough examination and one what requires both a reasonable understanding and practical hands-on knowledge. But unfortunately, there's a but ... Actually, there's a number of buts. Firstly the cost is prohibitive. It ain't cheap, especially when you add in the cost of the 2 day exam, the cost of the 2 mandatory training courses (why someone capable of passing the exam is forced to attend 2 courses is just plain silly), the cost of travel and accommodation, the cost of not working for this period It's runs to many many thousands of dollars which is beyond the reach of many, especially as the cost/benefits are still somewhat dubious. OCM or a round the world holiday with the family, hu tough choice. But unfortunately, Oracle's *main* priority here is to make money, not to have a successful and meaningful certification program (which is fair enough). It might sound as if the two objectives should be mutually beneficial (I've always argued that a successful program would be profitable both directly and more importantly indirectly) but unfortunately with the over emphasis of making huge profits, Oracle ends up failing on both counts. As a result, only a handful have gone through the program, events are cancelled due to insufficient numbers and the whole thing is struggling. The other problem of course is that Oracle has got itself caught in a corner somewhat. They can't make too big a deal on the improvements of the OCM scheme, they can't really go on about how OCM lifts the bar to the point when you need a reasonable little jump to get over, that OCM is a significant improvement over OCP ... Because that would mean admitting that OCP is meaningless as a measurement of professionalism, that the P in OCP has been false advertising and that an OCP can't really be trusted to look after your invaluable information investment and what you *really* need is an OCM. The risk to the credibility of any Oracle certification program would come into doubt for what the heck has Oracle been producing all these years to warrant such a change in direction. You see the problem. Ideally, Oracle (or any vendor for that matter) shouldn't be running these certification programs, simply because they have conflicting priorities. A program that is successful in that it attracts a lot of people and that it makes a lot of money suggests that it has to be relatively easy (to get the numbers) and expensive (to make the money). Ideally, an organisation that is *focused* on the *quality* and professionalism of IT specialists that result from such a program should be running the show. Unfortunately, we don't live in an ideal world ... But perhaps by voicing one's concerns and opinions, we might just get a little closer ;) Cheers Richard Foote - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:49 AM Richard, I agree that the OCP is a laughing matter among experienced DBA's but to those that are pressurized by their non-technical management, especially HR, to obtain certification for various reasons, there is very little choice than to get it or get out...:-( I can definitely see that certification programs that model the latest 9i OCM will be the future for reliable and most importantly, credible certification. The big dilemma with this certification model is limited availability world wide and unacceptable high cost when compared to the traditional certification model...guess time will tell which model will suffice...perhaps a hybrid of the 2 models? Will be interesting to follow the certification trend from other vendors in the enterprise space e.g. Veritas, EMC, etc. I agree that it is more important to know the correct answer in the real world where the rubber meets the road, but as Carry M. stated so elegantly in an earlier post that a wise DBA will know several i.e. the answer that the OCP
RE: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
Faan Thanks. Yes I totally agree that the practice exams are very helpful. In my case I chose Couchman's book of practice exams. Usually my exam score has been higher than my practice exam scores. My current study method is to record quiz questions on an audio CD so I can study during the time I'm trapped in an automobile each day. After the exam, I have also pulled out these CDs and used them to refresh my knowledge of a subject. It is probably just my age, but I have trouble remembering everything people expect a DBA to know immediately, unlike some people on the list. ;-) Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, Do you have good practice exams? I have found that the best preparation for the OCP exams are good practice exams. I have reached the point where I just skim through the material in the whatever book you use (probably only possible if you have some miles on the clock as a DBA) and then drive the in depth study from the practice exams. This way you are spending your time more focused and find out what exactly the OCP exam will expect from you vs. what some author would like to teach you or even what the correct answer is in reality. Also, many of these questions in the practice exams will appear in the actual OCP exam which builds your confidence while writing the actual exam. You will also find that there are several inaccuracies in the OCP exam that is directly inherited from the incorrect Oracle Education materials. If you have a good book then the author will appropriately point this out like Pete Sharman's Oracle 8i DBA Exam Cram book. Pete is an expert in this field and I personally wish that he would bring out his own Sherman guides for all the OCP exams as Pete has taught as an Oracle Education Instructor for many years. He is also a very experienced DBA that can relate what is correct in the real world to what the OCP exam expects from you, which is the key to passing the OCP exam. Good Luck! Faan PS: There are no questions on the IA in the Net8 Exam for 8i -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thanks everyone for your input on this topic. Now if I can just get motivated. ;-) Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I also don't recall it being mentioned. Think naming,cman,mts,dispatchers etc. Niall -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: 29 September 2003 22:35 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: 8i OCP Net8 Exam Can anyone recall whether the Oracle Intelligent Agent figured on the Oracle8i OCP Network Administration exam? Couchman's practice exams have quite a few questions on Intelligent Agent, but when I check the official Test Content Checklist on Oracle's Education website, it isn't directly mentioned. Being the lazy slob I am, wouldn't want to study extra. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Niall Litchfield INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from
Re: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
- Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:39 AM Dennis, Do you have good practice exams? I have found that the best preparation for the OCP exams are good practice exams. I have reached the point where I just skim through the material in the whatever book you use (probably only possible if you have some miles on the clock as a DBA) and then drive the in depth study from the practice exams. This way you are spending your time more focused and find out what exactly the OCP exam will expect from you vs. what some author would like to teach you or even what the correct answer is in reality. Also, many of these questions in the practice exams will appear in the actual OCP exam which builds your confidence while writing the actual exam. It's comments such as these which are unfortunately all so common that really hits home what an laughable, sad and sorry affair the whole OCP program really is. I have this vision of people poring over example questions, desperately trying to memorise as many questions as possible, desperately trying to forget what is correct is reality for fear of not getting the required 65% multiple questions correct. Occasionally, they'll glance at the Inside OCP section of the Oracle Magazine and gain confidence in getting the jest of the complex concepts (and yes, further sample questions) it covers in each edition. And once they've passed and got that precious certificate, they're of course qualified to look after that banks enterprise database because they're Oracle approved Oracle Certified *Professionals*. And when the database runs like a dog, they'll open up their notebooks and decide is it: A) The Buffer Cache Hit Ratio is less than 90% B) The Library Cache Hit Ratio is less than 90% C) The DD Cache Hit Ratio is less than 90% D) The cleaning lady has accidentally pulled out the wrong plug E) Something else Good grief !! Now I too have spent many years teaching with Oracle Education and I'm Oracle 7, 8, 8i and 9i OCP (instructors were obliged to get certified) so I know a fair bit about the process. And I've seen students leave my classroom with 5 days Oracle experience behind them pass their OCP DBA Admin exam the following Tuesday (guess I was a good teacher :) Anyone see a problem ? At the time I kinda justified it as selling them water in that it doesn't really harm them, achieves nothing but at least they think it's doing them some good. Don't get me wrong, the training they received was excellent, it's the OCP bit that is fluff. But really, at the end of the day, having such an atrocious so called professional program ends up hurting the individual as they've paid a lot of money (for the exams) for very little benefit, it hurts organisations in that there's no *guarantee* of hiring anything closely resembling an Oracle Professional as the bar is so low it drags along the ground and really it ends up hurting Oracle Corp. as well. The *only* thing it does have going for it is that it motivates some people to getting training and investigating parts of Oracle they may otherwise not have much to do with. But I've always thought giving away free David Bowie Cds at training courses was a better way to go :) Richard -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Richard Foote INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
Richard - My apologies that concern for passing the exam has caused some of us to exchange tips that you find offensive. And I truly admire those who have been able to just walk in the exams and pass. And I had similar gripes against the exams until I was felt the need to pass the exams. I understand that concerns like yours have caused Oracle to create the OCM. Have you taken a look at that? Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:39 AM Dennis, Do you have good practice exams? I have found that the best preparation for the OCP exams are good practice exams. I have reached the point where I just skim through the material in the whatever book you use (probably only possible if you have some miles on the clock as a DBA) and then drive the in depth study from the practice exams. This way you are spending your time more focused and find out what exactly the OCP exam will expect from you vs. what some author would like to teach you or even what the correct answer is in reality. Also, many of these questions in the practice exams will appear in the actual OCP exam which builds your confidence while writing the actual exam. It's comments such as these which are unfortunately all so common that really hits home what an laughable, sad and sorry affair the whole OCP program really is. I have this vision of people poring over example questions, desperately trying to memorise as many questions as possible, desperately trying to forget what is correct is reality for fear of not getting the required 65% multiple questions correct. Occasionally, they'll glance at the Inside OCP section of the Oracle Magazine and gain confidence in getting the jest of the complex concepts (and yes, further sample questions) it covers in each edition. And once they've passed and got that precious certificate, they're of course qualified to look after that banks enterprise database because they're Oracle approved Oracle Certified *Professionals*. And when the database runs like a dog, they'll open up their notebooks and decide is it: A) The Buffer Cache Hit Ratio is less than 90% B) The Library Cache Hit Ratio is less than 90% C) The DD Cache Hit Ratio is less than 90% D) The cleaning lady has accidentally pulled out the wrong plug E) Something else Good grief !! Now I too have spent many years teaching with Oracle Education and I'm Oracle 7, 8, 8i and 9i OCP (instructors were obliged to get certified) so I know a fair bit about the process. And I've seen students leave my classroom with 5 days Oracle experience behind them pass their OCP DBA Admin exam the following Tuesday (guess I was a good teacher :) Anyone see a problem ? At the time I kinda justified it as selling them water in that it doesn't really harm them, achieves nothing but at least they think it's doing them some good. Don't get me wrong, the training they received was excellent, it's the OCP bit that is fluff. But really, at the end of the day, having such an atrocious so called professional program ends up hurting the individual as they've paid a lot of money (for the exams) for very little benefit, it hurts organisations in that there's no *guarantee* of hiring anything closely resembling an Oracle Professional as the bar is so low it drags along the ground and really it ends up hurting Oracle Corp. as well. The *only* thing it does have going for it is that it motivates some people to getting training and investigating parts of Oracle they may otherwise not have much to do with. But I've always thought giving away free David Bowie Cds at training courses was a better way to go :) Richard -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Richard Foote INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and
RE: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
Richard, I agree that the OCP is a laughing matter among experienced DBA's but to those that are pressurized by their non-technical management, especially HR, to obtain certification for various reasons, there is very little choice than to get it or get out...:-( I can definitely see that certification programs that model the latest 9i OCM will be the future for reliable and most importantly, credible certification. The big dilemma with this certification model is limited availability world wide and unacceptable high cost when compared to the traditional certification model...guess time will tell which model will suffice...perhaps a hybrid of the 2 models? Will be interesting to follow the certification trend from other vendors in the enterprise space e.g. Veritas, EMC, etc. I agree that it is more important to know the correct answer in the real world where the rubber meets the road, but as Carry M. stated so elegantly in an earlier post that a wise DBA will know several i.e. the answer that the OCP exam expects, the answer your manager expects, the answer your customer expects, the answer that is technically correct, etc...;-) -f -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:39 AM Dennis, Do you have good practice exams? I have found that the best preparation for the OCP exams are good practice exams. I have reached the point where I just skim through the material in the whatever book you use (probably only possible if you have some miles on the clock as a DBA) and then drive the in depth study from the practice exams. This way you are spending your time more focused and find out what exactly the OCP exam will expect from you vs. what some author would like to teach you or even what the correct answer is in reality. Also, many of these questions in the practice exams will appear in the actual OCP exam which builds your confidence while writing the actual exam. It's comments such as these which are unfortunately all so common that really hits home what an laughable, sad and sorry affair the whole OCP program really is. I have this vision of people poring over example questions, desperately trying to memorise as many questions as possible, desperately trying to forget what is correct is reality for fear of not getting the required 65% multiple questions correct. Occasionally, they'll glance at the Inside OCP section of the Oracle Magazine and gain confidence in getting the jest of the complex concepts (and yes, further sample questions) it covers in each edition. And once they've passed and got that precious certificate, they're of course qualified to look after that banks enterprise database because they're Oracle approved Oracle Certified *Professionals*. And when the database runs like a dog, they'll open up their notebooks and decide is it: A) The Buffer Cache Hit Ratio is less than 90% B) The Library Cache Hit Ratio is less than 90% C) The DD Cache Hit Ratio is less than 90% D) The cleaning lady has accidentally pulled out the wrong plug E) Something else Good grief !! Now I too have spent many years teaching with Oracle Education and I'm Oracle 7, 8, 8i and 9i OCP (instructors were obliged to get certified) so I know a fair bit about the process. And I've seen students leave my classroom with 5 days Oracle experience behind them pass their OCP DBA Admin exam the following Tuesday (guess I was a good teacher :) Anyone see a problem ? At the time I kinda justified it as selling them water in that it doesn't really harm them, achieves nothing but at least they think it's doing them some good. Don't get me wrong, the training they received was excellent, it's the OCP bit that is fluff. But really, at the end of the day, having such an atrocious so called professional program ends up hurting the individual as they've paid a lot of money (for the exams) for very little benefit, it hurts organisations in that there's no *guarantee* of hiring anything closely resembling an Oracle Professional as the bar is so low it drags along the ground and really it ends up hurting Oracle Corp. as well. The *only* thing it does have going for it is that it motivates some people to getting training and investigating parts of Oracle they may otherwise not have much to do with. But I've always thought giving away free David Bowie Cds at training courses was a better way to go :) Richard -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Richard Foote INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL
RE: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
Hi Dennis I would suggest you by 8i Network guide book for OCP by Barbara Ann Pascavage. I believe it is from Corialis which exists no longer. Nevertheless it might be avbl. with some book shops/book seller website. The book is real good one with Networking concepts explained clearly. You will get to knowanswers to WHY/WHAT IS/WHERE TO USE etc. Also, they seem to ask quite a bit of questions on Net Assistant usage (This is as far as i remember). HTH GovindanK Certified DBA - OCP 8,8i Brainbench Certified Master DBA(8) NB: I sincerely regret Oracle Corp has dropped the Networking exam from OCP 9i. May be they want to make the life easier for the candidates to pass it. Somehow, it makes me feel that those who pass 9i directly will miss something about Network info.-Original Message- . ___Get Your 10MB account for FREE at http://mail.arabia.com !Access MILLIONS of JOBS NOW!
RE: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
I also don't recall it being mentioned. Think naming,cman,mts,dispatchers etc. Niall -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: 29 September 2003 22:35 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: 8i OCP Net8 Exam Can anyone recall whether the Oracle Intelligent Agent figured on the Oracle8i OCP Network Administration exam? Couchman's practice exams have quite a few questions on Intelligent Agent, but when I check the official Test Content Checklist on Oracle's Education website, it isn't directly mentioned. Being the lazy slob I am, wouldn't want to study extra. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Niall Litchfield INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
Thanks everyone for your input on this topic. Now if I can just get motivated. ;-) Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I also don't recall it being mentioned. Think naming,cman,mts,dispatchers etc. Niall -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: 29 September 2003 22:35 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: 8i OCP Net8 Exam Can anyone recall whether the Oracle Intelligent Agent figured on the Oracle8i OCP Network Administration exam? Couchman's practice exams have quite a few questions on Intelligent Agent, but when I check the official Test Content Checklist on Oracle's Education website, it isn't directly mentioned. Being the lazy slob I am, wouldn't want to study extra. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Niall Litchfield INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
Dennis, Do you have good practice exams? I have found that the best preparation for the OCP exams are good practice exams. I have reached the point where I just skim through the material in the whatever book you use (probably only possible if you have some miles on the clock as a DBA) and then drive the in depth study from the practice exams. This way you are spending your time more focused and find out what exactly the OCP exam will expect from you vs. what some author would like to teach you or even what the correct answer is in reality. Also, many of these questions in the practice exams will appear in the actual OCP exam which builds your confidence while writing the actual exam. You will also find that there are several inaccuracies in the OCP exam that is directly inherited from the incorrect Oracle Education materials. If you have a good book then the author will appropriately point this out like Pete Sharman's Oracle 8i DBA Exam Cram book. Pete is an expert in this field and I personally wish that he would bring out his own Sherman guides for all the OCP exams as Pete has taught as an Oracle Education Instructor for many years. He is also a very experienced DBA that can relate what is correct in the real world to what the OCP exam expects from you, which is the key to passing the OCP exam. Good Luck! Faan PS: There are no questions on the IA in the Net8 Exam for 8i -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thanks everyone for your input on this topic. Now if I can just get motivated. ;-) Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I also don't recall it being mentioned. Think naming,cman,mts,dispatchers etc. Niall -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: 29 September 2003 22:35 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: 8i OCP Net8 Exam Can anyone recall whether the Oracle Intelligent Agent figured on the Oracle8i OCP Network Administration exam? Couchman's practice exams have quite a few questions on Intelligent Agent, but when I check the official Test Content Checklist on Oracle's Education website, it isn't directly mentioned. Being the lazy slob I am, wouldn't want to study extra. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Niall Litchfield INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Faan DeSwardt INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru
8i OCP Net8 Exam
Can anyone recall whether the Oracle Intelligent Agent figured on the Oracle8i OCP Network Administration exam? Couchman's practice exams have quite a few questions on Intelligent Agent, but when I check the official Test Content Checklist on Oracle's Education website, it isn't directly mentioned. Being the lazy slob I am, wouldn't want to study extra. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
Hello Dennis To the best of my recollection it was not included. Pretty much basic stuff on that test. For me that was the easiest, and made the most sense of the tests I've taken Bob Can anyone recall whether the Oracle Intelligent Agent figured on the Oracle8i OCP Network Administration exam? Couchman's practice exams have quite a few questions on Intelligent Agent, but when I check the official Test Content Checklist on Oracle's Education website, it isn't directly mentioned. Being the lazy slob I am, wouldn't want to study extra. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Bob Metelsky INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
I took that exam earlier this year and I don't recall anything related to the IA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 4:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Can anyone recall whether the Oracle Intelligent Agent figured on the Oracle8i OCP Network Administration exam? Couchman's practice exams have quite a few questions on Intelligent Agent, but when I check the official Test Content Checklist on Oracle's Education website, it isn't directly mentioned. Being the lazy slob I am, wouldn't want to study extra. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gary W. Parker INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote: Can anyone recall whether the Oracle Intelligent Agent figured on the Oracle8i OCP Network Administration exam? Couchman's practice exams have quite a few questions on Intelligent Agent, but when I check the official Test Content Checklist on Oracle's Education website, it isn't directly mentioned. Being the lazy slob I am, wouldn't want to study extra. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Methinks that they finally found 'intelligent' a bit overstretched. You may be more lucky looking for 'agent'. -- Regards, Stephane Faroult Oriole Software -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephane Faroult INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
I don't remember appearing this one in exam . -Ak OCP 8i - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 2:34 PM Can anyone recall whether the Oracle Intelligent Agent figured on the Oracle8i OCP Network Administration exam? Couchman's practice exams have quite a few questions on Intelligent Agent, but when I check the official Test Content Checklist on Oracle's Education website, it isn't directly mentioned. Being the lazy slob I am, wouldn't want to study extra. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: AK INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
