RE: Another programming standard falls
> See, I don't get it. Microsoft bundle a bunch of stuff with their OS, > and the anti-MS camp complain about Microsoft's so-called monopoly (or > monopolistic practices, which aren't the same thing). And > then Microsoft > don't bundle some stuff with their OS, and the exact same people start > complaining again... about what exactly? You can still download Java > onto Windows easily, it's no big deal, what is the problem here? Any time a vendor with such a huge market share includes or excludes something from their OS, it has a huge impact. IF MS had stopped including Internet Explorer in their OS, and the user had to go download something to get a web browser, it's likely Navigator might still have a good chunk of the browser market. But MS made it easy for users to get to a browser (bundling IE), and most users will take the path of least resistance. A JVM download is what 5+ MEG? Most of the world is still connecting via modem. Tell the average person he's going to have to do a 5 MEG download over a modem, and then some sort of installation that might screw up his machine, and he's going to say "Forget it, I'll do without my scrolling stock ticker". Or he'll switch to one that doesn't use Java. If a good percentage of the users of an OS that constitutes most of the total consumer market will not take the time to download and install JVM, developers are going to assume Java may not be available on a lot of the machines out there. Most developers want to reach the broadest possible audience with their products. So they might decide to pick a different, more "universally" available language to code with. One that can be run on a Windows user's machine without requiring a big download and installation of a virtual machine. Quite possibly a Microsoft language like C# or VB. And since C# is pretty similar to Java, the transition from one to the other might not be that tough. So yes, MS dropping the bundling of Java is a big deal. Everything they do at the OS level is a big deal. It makes it that much more likely that Java will be a niche language, and that much more likely that something like C# will gain in popularity. Whether that's good or bad will depend on your own viewpoints. Dave -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re:RE: Another programming standard falls
Guy, Must be because your in the UK where it has not been front page news like here. The problem with Jave and Sun revolves around MicroSoft creating language extensions for their Visual J++ that would only work on Windows and Internet Explorer. That was why Sun went after MicroSoft since the original intent was to create a programming language that would be platform independent but MS was making things platform dependent. A VERY old MicroSoft thing. Now they have been slapped, so like any other spoiled kid they've decided to take their ball and go home, namely they are not shipping/installing a JVM in XP and Visual J++ is now history. With any luck they'll stay there too. BTW: Any of you heard about MS's .net strategy? I've a letter from the Gates on my desk about it. Seems according to that letter you guys will be able to create XML based services that I can include in my applications. Now I wonder how long you'll let me do that without paying you a royalty?? According to the Gates, forever. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: "Guy Hammond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 7/20/2001 2:00 AM See, I don't get it. Microsoft bundle a bunch of stuff with their OS, and the anti-MS camp complain about Microsoft's so-called monopoly (or monopolistic practices, which aren't the same thing). And then Microsoft don't bundle some stuff with their OS, and the exact same people start complaining again... about what exactly? You can still download Java onto Windows easily, it's no big deal, what is the problem here? g -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 8:23 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Microsoft dropping Java code from Windows XP In the wake of a January legal settlement with Java owner Sun Microsystems, Microsoft plans to ship its Windows XP operating system without the code needed to run Java applications. http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO62358_NLTAM%2C00.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Guy Hammond INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Another programming standard falls
See, I don't get it. Microsoft bundle a bunch of stuff with their OS, and the anti-MS camp complain about Microsoft's so-called monopoly (or monopolistic practices, which aren't the same thing). And then Microsoft don't bundle some stuff with their OS, and the exact same people start complaining again... about what exactly? You can still download Java onto Windows easily, it's no big deal, what is the problem here? g -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 8:23 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Microsoft dropping Java code from Windows XP In the wake of a January legal settlement with Java owner Sun Microsystems, Microsoft plans to ship its Windows XP operating system without the code needed to run Java applications. http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO62358_NLTAM%2C00.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Guy Hammond INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Another programming standard falls
For a good read check out Steve Gibson's article on XP, "Why Windows XP will be the DOS Tool of Choice". http://grc.com/dos/winxp.htm - Ethan - http://ww.geocities.com/epost1 -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 5:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Plus the default security setting for their browser will now be HIGH instead of MEDIUM, which will disallow running Java applets, even if you do install a Java Virtual Machine. > > Microsoft dropping Java code from Windows XP > > In the wake of a January legal settlement with Java owner Sun > Microsystems, > Microsoft plans to ship its Windows XP operating system > without the code needed > to run Java applications. > > http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO62358_NLTAM%2C00.html > -- > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Thank you. == -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Post, Ethan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Another programming standard falls
Plus the default security setting for their browser will now be HIGH instead of MEDIUM, which will disallow running Java applets, even if you do install a Java Virtual Machine. > > Microsoft dropping Java code from Windows XP > > In the wake of a January legal settlement with Java owner Sun > Microsystems, > Microsoft plans to ship its Windows XP operating system > without the code needed > to run Java applications. > > http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO62358_NLTAM%2C00.html > -- > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Another programming standard falls
Microsoft dropping Java code from Windows XP In the wake of a January legal settlement with Java owner Sun Microsystems, Microsoft plans to ship its Windows XP operating system without the code needed to run Java applications. http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO62358_NLTAM%2C00.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
