RE: COBOL TO ORACLE

2003-10-08 Thread babette.turnerunderwood
Welcome to MY world :-( 

Basically, we need to get a Volkswagen to run faster than a Ferrari.

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I went to IBM's web site (http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/os/)
and found OS/390 -
   
  
   
  
 OS/390
  
 OS/390, the foundation of the new z/OS, provides high levels of availability, scale 
and 
 manageability for mission-critical workloads, with such features as Workload Manager 
and
 Parallel Sysplex support. OS/390 is an integrated offering of many elements and 
optional
 features, including new technologies such as Enterprise Java Beans, XML, and HTML. 
OS/390   
 provides the qualities of service needed to meet the demands of global e-business.
  
   
  

Notice the mention of Workload Manager --- Basically setting the priorities
of various processes as to when they will be swapped back in.  I suspect
that your SYSADMIN is trained in the current version but does not
understand the underlying technology.  If there were no swapping then only
one user could be signed on at a time, they could only run one process, and
when they went to print the process would stop until the printing was
finished.


   

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Sorry for the delay ...

Was at Ottawa Oracle User Group Days last week and spent the time since
then playing catch-up

Yes, we are using OS/390 v10.
I STRONGLY suspect the SYSADMIN is wrong.
There HAS to be swapping / paging going on, but he insists this is not the
case.

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What kind of a mainframe is that?

Usually mainframe means an IBM machine based on 370 architecture.  If
that's the case then your SYSADMIN is wrong.  Many, many years ago I
started out as a computer operator for an IBM 370/165 and worked with IBM
mainframes up through the E6000 series.  They all work as virtual machines,
swapping and paging sessions in and out of the physical RAM.

Of course, you may have some other type of mainframe, in which case, what I
said doesn't apply.




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RE: COBOL TO ORACLE

2003-10-07 Thread babette.turnerunderwood
Sorry for the delay ... 

Was at Ottawa Oracle User Group Days last week and spent the time since then playing 
catch-up

Yes, we are using OS/390 v10.
I STRONGLY suspect the SYSADMIN is wrong. 
There HAS to be swapping / paging going on, but he insists this is not the case.

Babette Turner-Underwood
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What kind of a mainframe is that?

Usually mainframe means an IBM machine based on 370 architecture.  If
that's the case then your SYSADMIN is wrong.  Many, many years ago I
started out as a computer operator for an IBM 370/165 and worked with IBM
mainframes up through the E6000 series.  They all work as virtual machines,
swapping and paging sessions in and out of the physical RAM.

Of course, you may have some other type of mainframe, in which case, what I
said doesn't apply.



   

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Then perhaps you can help me . . .

We are suffering through a Pro*Cobol / Oracle on the mainframe
implementation for a newly developed in house application.

We have a mainframe with 1.7GB - 2GB REAL memory.
4 CPU machine - we have two logical CPUs in our LPAR
We have 8 instances running (each with at least 300MB SGA)
We are having major performance problems when people start doing a lot of
work on these instances.

The Mainframe SYSADMIN insists that there is NO swapping, NO paging
occuring. There is no problem because each instance can have 2GB VIRTUAL
memory and this is fine and dandy because this is how the mainframe works.

Did you ever use Oracle on a mainframe?
Did you come up with guidelines for minimum requirements?
(like in the UNIX install guides / NT install guides, you need X RAM, etc)

Thanks
Babette

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On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 16:19, Stephane Paquette wrote:
 Like Thomas Day said, Oracle is an rdbms and COBOL a programming
language.


COBOL *** WAS *** a programming language. Horse *** WAS *** basis of
transport. You should have used past tense, Stephane. I'm not really
that partial when it comes to horses, but having suffered COBOL, I would
really leave it in the ancient past, together with Spanish Inquisition
and crucifiction as a viable capital punishment.





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RE: COBOL TO ORACLE

2003-10-07 Thread Thomas Day

I went to IBM's web site (http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/os/)
and found OS/390 -
   
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
 OS/390
  
 OS/390, the foundation of the new z/OS, provides high levels of availability, scale 
and 
 manageability for mission-critical workloads, with such features as Workload Manager 
and
 Parallel Sysplex support. OS/390 is an integrated offering of many elements and 
optional
 features, including new technologies such as Enterprise Java Beans, XML, and HTML. 
OS/390   
 provides the qualities of service needed to meet the demands of global e-business.
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
   
  

Notice the mention of Workload Manager --- Basically setting the priorities
of various processes as to when they will be swapped back in.  I suspect
that your SYSADMIN is trained in the current version but does not
understand the underlying technology.  If there were no swapping then only
one user could be signed on at a time, they could only run one process, and
when they went to print the process would stop until the printing was
finished.


   

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Sorry for the delay ...

Was at Ottawa Oracle User Group Days last week and spent the time since
then playing catch-up

Yes, we are using OS/390 v10.
I STRONGLY suspect the SYSADMIN is wrong.
There HAS to be swapping / paging going on, but he insists this is not the
case.

Babette Turner-Underwood
work: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
home: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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What kind of a mainframe is that?

Usually

AW: COBOL TO ORACLE

2003-10-01 Thread Stefan Jahnke



Hi

I'm 
basically doing the same: We're using PL1 programs to do an "unload" of VSAM 
files by hand. That actually takes care of multiple record structures and the 
like. It's a poor-man's normalisation of VSAMs ;). Then, just load the data as 
it is into a staging DB (Oracle), transform it and push it into the production 
DB (also Oracle).

What I 
don't understand about the original eMail is the COBOL to Oracle part, but 
relating to the data ?! I guess moving the HOST based data was meant 
?

And 
regarding to connecting to VSAM or the like directly from Designer (via reading 
the copy books for instance), ... it either doesn't exist or we didn't find it 
;). I opt for the first. 

PS: 
Having to use Oracle Designer is about as cool as 
crucification.

Stefan

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  02:04An: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LBetreff: 
  Re: COBOL TO ORACLE
  Is there a tool available to move data from COBOL to ORACLE directly? 
  One way to do is get COBOL data on a flat file and then use SQL*Loader to 
  insert into ORACLE tables. 
  
  If you are using SQL*Loader make sure to check the log after load. 
  For larger loadsi would suggest
  direct load.
  The second question is did anyone use DESIGNER to connect to COBOL to 
  create an ERD and then transform into ORACLE tabels script? 
  
  I wonder how a tool will take care of Implicit Redefinition/Multiple 
  Record Structures unless the 
  Developer/DBA mentions them somewhere. 
  
  HTH
  GovindanK-Original Message-
  


  
  
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RE: COBOL TO ORACLE

2003-10-01 Thread Thomas Day

LOL

Of course the spent a lot on money on veterinarians to inoculate the horses
against the Y2K bug.



   

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On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 16:19, Stephane Paquette wrote:
 Like Thomas Day said, Oracle is an rdbms and COBOL a programming
language.


COBOL *** WAS *** a programming language. Horse *** WAS *** basis of
transport. You should have used past tense, Stephane. I'm not really
that partial when it comes to horses, but having suffered COBOL, I would
really leave it in the ancient past, together with Spanish Inquisition
and crucifiction as a viable capital punishment.





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RE: COBOL TO ORACLE

2003-10-01 Thread Mladen Gogala
COBOL isn't dead, it just smells funny. You know what COBOL stands for,
don't you? COBOL=Completely Outdated, Badly Overused Language.
On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 17:24, April Wells wrote:
 COBOL still lives and breathes, though, in many MANY shops (this one
 included).  Just like the Mainframe, it won't go away easily or
 soon... 
 
 I feel your pain, though, I lived through it too... and if I never
 have to figure out where an alter sends the program based on the
 data ever again I will die happy... worse than any goto around!
 
 April Wells
 Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA
 Corporate Systems
 Amarillo Texas
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 On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 16:19, Stephane Paquette wrote:
  Like Thomas Day said, Oracle is an rdbms and COBOL a programming
 language.
  
 
 COBOL *** WAS *** a programming language. Horse *** WAS *** basis of
 transport. You should have used past tense, Stephane. I'm not really
 that partial when it comes to horses, but having suffered COBOL, I
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 really leave it in the ancient past, together with Spanish Inquisition
 and crucifiction as a viable capital punishment.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: COBOL TO ORACLE

2003-10-01 Thread Tim Gorman
Wonderful race, the Romans.  Just super!  sniff!


on 9/30/03 3:34 PM, Jesse, Rich at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Crucifixion is a perfectly viable form of punishment, but only for the first
 offense.
 
 Best thing the Romans ever done for us.  Oh, yeah.  If we didn't have
 crucifixion, this country would be in a right bloody mess.
 
 
 Rich Jesse,
 People's Front of Judea
 
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 On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 16:19, Stephane Paquette wrote:
 Like Thomas Day said, Oracle is an rdbms and COBOL a
 programming language.
 
 
 COBOL *** WAS *** a programming language. Horse *** WAS *** basis of
 transport. You should have used past tense, Stephane. I'm not really
 that partial when it comes to horses, but having suffered
 COBOL, I would
 really leave it in the ancient past, together with Spanish Inquisition
 and crucifiction as a viable capital punishment.

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RE: COBOL TO ORACLE

2003-10-01 Thread babette.turnerunderwood
Then perhaps you can help me . . .

We are suffering through a Pro*Cobol / Oracle on the mainframe implementation for a 
newly developed in house application.

We have a mainframe with 1.7GB - 2GB REAL memory. 
4 CPU machine - we have two logical CPUs in our LPAR
We have 8 instances running (each with at least 300MB SGA)
We are having major performance problems when people start doing a lot of work on 
these instances.

The Mainframe SYSADMIN insists that there is NO swapping, NO paging occuring. There is 
no problem because each instance can have 2GB VIRTUAL memory and this is fine and 
dandy because this is how the mainframe works.

Did you ever use Oracle on a mainframe? 
Did you come up with guidelines for minimum requirements?
(like in the UNIX install guides / NT install guides, you need X RAM, etc)

Thanks
Babette

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On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 16:19, Stephane Paquette wrote:
 Like Thomas Day said, Oracle is an rdbms and COBOL a programming language.
 

COBOL *** WAS *** a programming language. Horse *** WAS *** basis of
transport. You should have used past tense, Stephane. I'm not really
that partial when it comes to horses, but having suffered COBOL, I would
really leave it in the ancient past, together with Spanish Inquisition
and crucifiction as a viable capital punishment.





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RE: COBOL TO ORACLE

2003-10-01 Thread Jesse, Rich
Eeep!  Reminds me of my CICS programming in school on a 4MB (MEGA bytes) IBM
4341 with the student partition on the lowest priority.  For some reason,
the operator got really mad at me when I forgot to put an unexecutable EXIT
statement in my code...

Barring any OS stats, have you tried a 10046 trace on any of the slow
processes to see where the holdup is?  It's been about 15 years since my
mainframe days in school, but I'd still question 2.4GB worth of SGA on a 2GB
machine, and that's without server processes, OS, etc...  What is virtual
memory?  DISK!

Rich

Rich Jesse   System/Database Administrator
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 Subject: RE: COBOL TO ORACLE
 
 
 Then perhaps you can help me . . .
 
 We are suffering through a Pro*Cobol / Oracle on the 
 mainframe implementation for a newly developed in house application.
 
 We have a mainframe with 1.7GB - 2GB REAL memory. 
 4 CPU machine - we have two logical CPUs in our LPAR
 We have 8 instances running (each with at least 300MB SGA)
 We are having major performance problems when people start 
 doing a lot of work on these instances.
 
 The Mainframe SYSADMIN insists that there is NO swapping, NO 
 paging occuring. There is no problem because each instance 
 can have 2GB VIRTUAL memory and this is fine and dandy 
 because this is how the mainframe works.
 
 Did you ever use Oracle on a mainframe? 
 Did you come up with guidelines for minimum requirements?
 (like in the UNIX install guides / NT install guides, you 
 need X RAM, etc)
 
 Thanks
 Babette
 
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 Sent: 2003-09-30 5:15 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 16:19, Stephane Paquette wrote:
  Like Thomas Day said, Oracle is an rdbms and COBOL a 
 programming language.
  
 
 COBOL *** WAS *** a programming language. Horse *** WAS *** basis of
 transport. You should have used past tense, Stephane. I'm not really
 that partial when it comes to horses, but having suffered 
 COBOL, I would
 really leave it in the ancient past, together with Spanish Inquisition
 and crucifiction as a viable capital punishment.
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RE: COBOL TO ORACLE

2003-10-01 Thread Jay Hostetter
What OS are you using?  I assume the COBOL app resides on the same box as the 
database?  When performance is poor, can you see what the top processes are?

As for the merits of COBOL, our COBOL apps hum along very nicely, processing millions 
of records a month.  Also, I like having conversations with developers that tell me I 
connect to the database and run this SQL statement... vs getting into some convoluted 
discussion about objects, object servers, ODBC formatted SQL, etc.  Perhaps I'm 
blissfully ignorant about some aspects of programming, but I can tell you that our 
COBOL programs that follow the KISS method give us the least amount of headaches.

Jay

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/01/03 03:09PM 
Then perhaps you can help me . . .

We are suffering through a Pro*Cobol / Oracle on the mainframe implementation for a 
newly developed in house application.

We have a mainframe with 1.7GB - 2GB REAL memory. 
4 CPU machine - we have two logical CPUs in our LPAR
We have 8 instances running (each with at least 300MB SGA)
We are having major performance problems when people start doing a lot of work on 
these instances.

The Mainframe SYSADMIN insists that there is NO swapping, NO paging occuring. There is 
no problem because each instance can have 2GB VIRTUAL memory and this is fine and 
dandy because this is how the mainframe works.

Did you ever use Oracle on a mainframe? 
Did you come up with guidelines for minimum requirements?
(like in the UNIX install guides / NT install guides, you need X RAM, etc)

Thanks
Babette

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On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 16:19, Stephane Paquette wrote:
 Like Thomas Day said, Oracle is an rdbms and COBOL a programming language.
 

COBOL *** WAS *** a programming language. Horse *** WAS *** basis of
transport. You should have used past tense, Stephane. I'm not really
that partial when it comes to horses, but having suffered COBOL, I would
really leave it in the ancient past, together with Spanish Inquisition
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RE: COBOL TO ORACLE

2003-10-01 Thread Thomas Day

What kind of a mainframe is that?

Usually mainframe means an IBM machine based on 370 architecture.  If
that's the case then your SYSADMIN is wrong.  Many, many years ago I
started out as a computer operator for an IBM 370/165 and worked with IBM
mainframes up through the E6000 series.  They all work as virtual machines,
swapping and paging sessions in and out of the physical RAM.

Of course, you may have some other type of mainframe, in which case, what I
said doesn't apply.



   

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Then perhaps you can help me . . .

We are suffering through a Pro*Cobol / Oracle on the mainframe
implementation for a newly developed in house application.

We have a mainframe with 1.7GB - 2GB REAL memory.
4 CPU machine - we have two logical CPUs in our LPAR
We have 8 instances running (each with at least 300MB SGA)
We are having major performance problems when people start doing a lot of
work on these instances.

The Mainframe SYSADMIN insists that there is NO swapping, NO paging
occuring. There is no problem because each instance can have 2GB VIRTUAL
memory and this is fine and dandy because this is how the mainframe works.

Did you ever use Oracle on a mainframe?
Did you come up with guidelines for minimum requirements?
(like in the UNIX install guides / NT install guides, you need X RAM, etc)

Thanks
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On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 16:19, Stephane Paquette wrote:
 Like Thomas Day said, Oracle is an rdbms and COBOL a programming
language.


COBOL *** WAS *** a programming language. Horse *** WAS *** basis of
transport. You should have used past tense, Stephane. I'm not really
that partial when it comes to horses, but having suffered COBOL, I would
really leave it in the ancient past, together with Spanish Inquisition
and crucifiction as a viable capital punishment.





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COBOL TO ORACLE

2003-09-30 Thread Muqthar Ahmed
Hi,

Is there a tool available to move data from COBOL to ORACLE directly?  One way to do 
is get COBOL data on a flat file and then use SQL*Loader to insert into ORACLE tables.

The second question is did anyone use DESIGNER to connect to COBOL to create an ERD 
and then transform into ORACLE tabels script?

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Re: COBOL TO ORACLE

2003-09-30 Thread Thomas Day

Er ... No.

COBOL is a programming language.  Oracle is a relational database manager.

The data used in a COBOL program can be stored in a variety of ways.  It's
even possilbe to have a COBOL program using data from an Oracle database.

I'm not aware that Designer can translate COBOL file definitions into
entities; however, if you know COBOL and Oracle it should be fairly
straightforward.



   

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Hi,

Is there a tool available to move data from COBOL to ORACLE directly?  One
way to do is get COBOL data on a flat file and then use SQL*Loader to
insert into ORACLE tables.

The second question is did anyone use DESIGNER to connect to COBOL to
create an ERD and then transform into ORACLE tabels script?

Thanks
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RE: COBOL TO ORACLE

2003-09-30 Thread Karniotis, Stephen
You can also Execute SQL directly from Oracle using the precompilers - No
need to export the data and use SQL Loader.

Thank You

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Hi,

Is there a tool available to move data from COBOL to ORACLE directly?  One
way to do is get COBOL data on a flat file and then use SQL*Loader to insert
into ORACLE tables.

The second question is did anyone use DESIGNER to connect to COBOL to create
an ERD and then transform into ORACLE tabels script?

Thanks
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RE: COBOL TO ORACLE

2003-09-30 Thread Stephane Paquette
Like Thomas Day said, Oracle is an rdbms and COBOL a programming language.

You can use Sql*Loader to load flat files into Oracle or
use COBOL programs with embedded SQL, you'll need to use Oracle Pro*Cobol to
precompile the COBOL source before compiling them.

The last time I've used Designer it was 2 years ago and I do not remember
any support for transforming flat files to an ERD.
Anyway, it would probably be a bad thing, I've seen applications do a 1 to 1
mapping between files and tables. The result was not good...




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Er ... No.

COBOL is a programming language.  Oracle is a relational database manager.

The data used in a COBOL program can be stored in a variety of ways.  It's
even possilbe to have a COBOL program using data from an Oracle database.

I'm not aware that Designer can translate COBOL file definitions into
entities; however, if you know COBOL and Oracle it should be fairly
straightforward.




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Is there a tool available to move data from COBOL to ORACLE directly?  One
way to do is get COBOL data on a flat file and then use SQL*Loader to
insert into ORACLE tables.

The second question is did anyone use DESIGNER to connect to COBOL to
create an ERD and then transform into ORACLE tabels script?

Thanks
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Re: COBOL TO ORACLE

2003-09-30 Thread Mladen Gogala
Unfortunately, you have to rewrite it to LISP or Oberon first.

On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 15:14, Muqthar Ahmed wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Is there a tool available to move data from COBOL to ORACLE directly?  One way to do 
 is get COBOL data on a flat file and then use SQL*Loader to insert into ORACLE 
 tables.
 
 The second question is did anyone use DESIGNER to connect to COBOL to create an ERD 
 and then transform into ORACLE tabels script?
 
 Thanks
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RE: COBOL TO ORACLE

2003-09-30 Thread Mladen Gogala
On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 16:19, Stephane Paquette wrote:
 Like Thomas Day said, Oracle is an rdbms and COBOL a programming language.
 

COBOL *** WAS *** a programming language. Horse *** WAS *** basis of
transport. You should have used past tense, Stephane. I'm not really
that partial when it comes to horses, but having suffered COBOL, I would
really leave it in the ancient past, together with Spanish Inquisition
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RE: COBOL TO ORACLE

2003-09-30 Thread Jesse, Rich
Crucifixion is a perfectly viable form of punishment, but only for the first
offense.

Best thing the Romans ever done for us.  Oh, yeah.  If we didn't have
crucifixion, this country would be in a right bloody mess.


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 On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 16:19, Stephane Paquette wrote:
  Like Thomas Day said, Oracle is an rdbms and COBOL a 
 programming language.
  
 
 COBOL *** WAS *** a programming language. Horse *** WAS *** basis of
 transport. You should have used past tense, Stephane. I'm not really
 that partial when it comes to horses, but having suffered 
 COBOL, I would
 really leave it in the ancient past, together with Spanish Inquisition
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RE: COBOL TO ORACLE

2003-09-30 Thread Stephane Paquette
Mladen, maybe it is the past for you but it is quite the present for me.

We just decided between 2 packages (insurance industry): one in cobol using
flat files on AS400 and the other one where all jobs are in cobol but the
database is Oracle.

We have choose the second one. So, in the next week, I'll install Oracle
Pro*Cobol on the unix boxes and then support the people having
precompilation problems. Youppi !


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On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 16:19, Stephane Paquette wrote:
 Like Thomas Day said, Oracle is an rdbms and COBOL a programming language.


COBOL *** WAS *** a programming language. Horse *** WAS *** basis of
transport. You should have used past tense, Stephane. I'm not really
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RE: COBOL TO ORACLE

2003-09-30 Thread April Wells
Title: RE: COBOL TO ORACLE





COBOL still lives and breathes, though, in many MANY shops (this one included). Just like the Mainframe, it won't go away easily or soon... 

I feel your pain, though, I lived through it too... and if I never have to figure out where an alter sends the program based on the data ever again I will die happy... worse than any goto around!

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On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 16:19, Stephane Paquette wrote:
 Like Thomas Day said, Oracle is an rdbms and COBOL a programming language.
 


COBOL *** WAS *** a programming language. Horse *** WAS *** basis of
transport. You should have used past tense, Stephane. I'm not really
that partial when it comes to horses, but having suffered COBOL, I would
really leave it in the ancient past, together with Spanish Inquisition
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Re: COBOL TO ORACLE

2003-09-30 Thread Govindan K


Is there a tool available to move data from COBOL to ORACLE directly? One way to do is get COBOL data on a flat file and then use SQL*Loader to insert into ORACLE tables. 

If you are using SQL*Loader make sure to check the log after load. For larger loadsi would suggest
direct load.
The second question is did anyone use DESIGNER to connect to COBOL to create an ERD and then transform into ORACLE tabels script? 

I wonder how a tool will take care of Implicit Redefinition/Multiple Record Structures unless the 
Developer/DBA mentions them somewhere. 

HTH
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RE: COBOL to Oracle

2003-09-08 Thread Ruth Gramolini



There 
is an interface in the rdbms. Look for the precomp directory of your 
ORACLE installation. Check the docs for precompilers and 
cobol.

HTH,
Ruth

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COBOL to Oracle

2003-09-05 Thread JRicard982
Hi List,

Does anyone know of tools, or have had experience using tools, that will quickly convert COBOL code to Oracle. Any information you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Rick


RE: COBOL to Oracle

2003-09-05 Thread Jacques Kilchoer
Do you mean that the COBOL code would be translated to PL/SQL packages, or that the 
COBOL I/O would be changed to SQL insert/update/select using Pro*COBOL instead of READ 
and WRITE?

Or do you mean that the COBOL programs would be automagically transformed into an 
Oracle database? One datafile for each program source code file? The mind boggles.


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Does anyone know of tools, or have had experience using tools, that will quickly 
convert COBOL code to Oracle.  Any information you can provide would be greatly 
appreciated.
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Re: COBOL to Oracle

2003-09-05 Thread Stephane Faroult
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 Hi List,
 
 Does anyone know of tools, or have had experience using tools, that
 will quickly convert COBOL code to Oracle.  Any information you can
 provide would be greatly appreciated.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Rick

What do you mean by converting Cobol to Oracle ? One one side you have a
programming language, and on the other side a subsystem to handle data
without having to open files, read, blahblah. Would you dream of
concerting VB to Excel ?
I presume that what you wan to do is to replace your Cobol file accesses
to ISAM files or the like to access to relational tables. The forget
about the QUICK, because you will have to rethink everything if you want
the effort to be worthwhile.
 FYI there used to be and should still be a product napmed PRO*Cobol
allowing to embed SQL statements in Cobol code (SQL statements replaced
by library calls by a preprocessor). This is the direction I would take.

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Re: COBOL to Oracle

2003-09-05 Thread GovindanK
I wonder how the code generator is going to take care of Multiple
Record Types , Redefines clauses , Renames clause, GO to statements,
Perform Thru , Declaratives?  That would be interesting.

GovindanK


 Hi List,

 Does anyone know of tools, or have had experience using tools, that will
 quickly convert COBOL code to Oracle.  Any information you can provide
 would be
 greatly appreciated.

 Thanks in advance.

 Rick


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