Comments on RMAN

2001-11-29 Thread btaylor3

What is the general consensus from the list on using RMAN? Pros? Cons? 
Any previous experience with problems as a result of using RMAN versus 
cold and hot backups. I would appreciate your inputs. Thanks in advance.

Belinda K. Taylor
Database Analyst, Database Support
Database Application Services, Technology Systems Division
Information Technology Unit
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Re: Comments on RMAN

2001-11-29 Thread Ruth Gramolini

I have used rman exclusively for all backups since I started with Oracle.
It was very buggy before 8.0.6 but after that it is very stable.  It is well
worth learning,  I can send you some articles about is if you would like.
You can't send attachments on the list.

Regards,
Ruth

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 Any previous experience with problems as a result of using RMAN versus
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 Database Application Services, Technology Systems Division
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Re: Comments on RMAN

2001-11-29 Thread Cherie_Machler


Belinda,

We are using RMAN in conjunction with Netbackup, Veritas on Sun Solaris 2.6
and Oracle 8.0.4, 8.1.5, and 8.1.7.x databases.

RMAN is a bit of work to set up.  The lower-level RMAN commands are a bit
cryptic and take some getting used to.  However, once you get your scripts
set up and working, you can copy them around everywhere.

The hardest part for us was resolving intermittent problems with the
Netbackup interface to the tape drive.  Oracle support kept saying things
were Veritas problems and Veritas support was uneven depending on who you
talked to.  We had to upgrade our Netbackup software and patch it a good
bit before it worked reliably.

It took weeks to get the kinks worked out.  Once we did however, it's been
very slick.  Extremely automated and fairly easy to use.  It's been very
reliable once we got the tape drive and tapes all sorted out.   We've done
several successful recoveries and have been quite happy with how they went.
The recoveries were fairly automated with not many opportunities for human
error.

One piece of advice I would give would be to start with backups to disk and
get all of that working and then add the tape unit if you want it.   As I
said, a lot of our initial, difficult problems were with the tape unit and
the interface to it.

If you can send someone to backup and recovery class, do that.   If not,
read the RMAN manuals cover to cover and definitely purchase Oracle Backup
and Recovery Handbook by Velpuri and Adkoli.  They cover the specifics for
lots of scenarios and the bare bones to start building your scripts.

It's hard to just give someone backup scripts to start with because they
need to be so heavily customized to reflect your environment.

Also, give some thought to your backup schedule and what sort of windows
you have to do backups.  We started with weekly full, cumulative backups
and backing up our archive logs to tape daily before removal and then added
incrementals on some intervening days later.  It can be an iterative
approach.

In closing, I'd say that any medium to large shop with mission-critical
databases needs a robust hot backup solution like RMAN.  You're going to
have to invest the time and effort to get it up and going if you want
serious recoverability capability.

Cherie Machler
Oracle DBA
Gelco Information Network



   
 
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What is the general consensus from the list on using RMAN? Pros? Cons?
Any previous experience with problems as a result of using RMAN versus
cold and hot backups. I would appreciate your inputs. Thanks in advance.

Belinda K. Taylor
Database Analyst, Database Support
Database Application Services, Technology Systems Division
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RE: Comments on RMAN

2001-11-29 Thread Mark Leith

Ruth,

I'd be interested in those articles if you don't mind?

Cheers

Mark

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I have used rman exclusively for all backups since I started with Oracle.
It was very buggy before 8.0.6 but after that it is very stable.  It is well
worth learning,  I can send you some articles about is if you would like.
You can't send attachments on the list.

Regards,
Ruth

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 What is the general consensus from the list on using RMAN? Pros? Cons?
 Any previous experience with problems as a result of using RMAN versus
 cold and hot backups. I would appreciate your inputs. Thanks in advance.

 Belinda K. Taylor
 Database Analyst, Database Support
 Database Application Services, Technology Systems Division
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Re: Comments on RMAN

2001-11-29 Thread Ruth Gramolini

I thought I had another one but I can't find it.  It was done by Michael
Abbey of Pythian Consulting of Ottawa, Canada.  His presentaion was entitle
something like 'If you don't use rman now you will'  and explained how rman
uses oracle internals to avoid problems.

Regards,
Ruth
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 Ruth,

 I'd be interested in those articles if you don't mind?

 Cheers

 Mark

 -Original Message-
 Gramolini
 Sent: 29 November 2001 13:05
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 I have used rman exclusively for all backups since I started with Oracle.
 It was very buggy before 8.0.6 but after that it is very stable.  It is
well
 worth learning,  I can send you some articles about is if you would like.
 You can't send attachments on the list.

 Regards,
 Ruth

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 Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 7:25 AM


  What is the general consensus from the list on using RMAN? Pros? Cons?
  Any previous experience with problems as a result of using RMAN versus
  cold and hot backups. I would appreciate your inputs. Thanks in advance.
 
  Belinda K. Taylor
  Database Analyst, Database Support
  Database Application Services, Technology Systems Division
  Information Technology Unit
  George Mason University
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RE: Comments on RMAN

2001-11-29 Thread Prakriteswar Santikary

Mark,

If you have already received the papers from Ruth, could you pl. forward
them to me ? I would really appreciate it.

thanks
Santi

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Ruth,

I'd be interested in those articles if you don't mind?

Cheers

Mark

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Gramolini
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I have used rman exclusively for all backups since I started with Oracle.
It was very buggy before 8.0.6 but after that it is very stable.  It is well
worth learning,  I can send you some articles about is if you would like.
You can't send attachments on the list.

Regards,
Ruth

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 What is the general consensus from the list on using RMAN? Pros? Cons?
 Any previous experience with problems as a result of using RMAN versus
 cold and hot backups. I would appreciate your inputs. Thanks in advance.

 Belinda K. Taylor
 Database Analyst, Database Support
 Database Application Services, Technology Systems Division
 Information Technology Unit
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Re: Comments on RMAN

2001-11-29 Thread Cherie_Machler


Someone on this list recently referenced the paper Is RMAN Really Worth the
Trouble?  By Tim Gorman of SageLogix, Inc.  It's fairly interesting.   I
don't have a soft copy, just a hard one.

I can't remember where I found the copy I printed.  I think if you search
for it with Google, you will find it.

Cherie Machler
Oracle DBA
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I thought I had another one but I can't find it.  It was done by Michael
Abbey of Pythian Consulting of Ottawa, Canada.  His presentaion was entitle
something like 'If you don't use rman now you will'  and explained how rman
uses oracle internals to avoid problems.

Regards,
Ruth
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 Ruth,

 I'd be interested in those articles if you don't mind?

 Cheers

 Mark

 -Original Message-
 Gramolini
 Sent: 29 November 2001 13:05
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 I have used rman exclusively for all backups since I started with Oracle.
 It was very buggy before 8.0.6 but after that it is very stable.  It is
well
 worth learning,  I can send you some articles about is if you would like.
 You can't send attachments on the list.

 Regards,
 Ruth

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 Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 7:25 AM


  What is the general consensus from the list on using RMAN? Pros? Cons?
  Any previous experience with problems as a result of using RMAN versus
  cold and hot backups. I would appreciate your inputs. Thanks in
advance.
 
  Belinda K. Taylor
  Database Analyst, Database Support
  Database Application Services, Technology Systems Division
  Information Technology Unit
  George Mason University
  Office:  (703) 993-3346
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RE: Comments on RMAN

2001-11-29 Thread Prakriteswar Santikary

thanks Ruth.

Santi

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I thought I had another one but I can't find it.  It was done by Michael
Abbey of Pythian Consulting of Ottawa, Canada.  His presentaion was entitle
something like 'If you don't use rman now you will'  and explained how rman
uses oracle internals to avoid problems.

Regards,
Ruth
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 Ruth,

 I'd be interested in those articles if you don't mind?

 Cheers

 Mark

 -Original Message-
 Gramolini
 Sent: 29 November 2001 13:05
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 I have used rman exclusively for all backups since I started with Oracle.
 It was very buggy before 8.0.6 but after that it is very stable.  It is
well
 worth learning,  I can send you some articles about is if you would like.
 You can't send attachments on the list.

 Regards,
 Ruth

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  What is the general consensus from the list on using RMAN? Pros? Cons?
  Any previous experience with problems as a result of using RMAN versus
  cold and hot backups. I would appreciate your inputs. Thanks in advance.
 
  Belinda K. Taylor
  Database Analyst, Database Support
  Database Application Services, Technology Systems Division
  Information Technology Unit
  George Mason University
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RE: Comments on RMAN

2001-11-29 Thread Baker, Barbara

You can find this on Tim's web site
www.evdbt.com

Barb


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 Someone on this list recently referenced the paper Is RMAN Really Worth
 the
 Trouble?  By Tim Gorman of SageLogix, Inc.  It's fairly interesting.   I
 don't have a soft copy, just a hard one.
 
 I can't remember where I found the copy I printed.  I think if you search
 for it with Google, you will find it.
 
 Cherie Machler
 Oracle DBA
 Gelco Information Network
 
 
  
 
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 I thought I had another one but I can't find it.  It was done by Michael
 Abbey of Pythian Consulting of Ottawa, Canada.  His presentaion was
 entitle
 something like 'If you don't use rman now you will'  and explained how
 rman
 uses oracle internals to avoid problems.
 
 Regards,
 Ruth
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  Ruth,
 
  I'd be interested in those articles if you don't mind?
 
  Cheers
 
  Mark
 
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  Gramolini
  Sent: 29 November 2001 13:05
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
  I have used rman exclusively for all backups since I started with
 Oracle.
  It was very buggy before 8.0.6 but after that it is very stable.  It is
 well
  worth learning,  I can send you some articles about is if you would
 like.
  You can't send attachments on the list.
 
  Regards,
  Ruth
 
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  Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 7:25 AM
 
 
   What is the general consensus from the list on using RMAN? Pros? Cons?
   Any previous experience with problems as a result of using RMAN versus
   cold and hot backups. I would appreciate your inputs. Thanks in
 advance.
  
   Belinda K. Taylor
   Database Analyst, Database Support
   Database Application Services, Technology Systems Division
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RE: Comments on RMAN

2001-11-29 Thread David Wagoner

Did anyone else get an error while trying to open the RMAN pdf file?



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I thought I had another one but I can't find it.  It was done by Michael
Abbey of Pythian Consulting of Ottawa, Canada.  His presentaion was entitle
something like 'If you don't use rman now you will'  and explained how rman
uses oracle internals to avoid problems.

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 Ruth,

 I'd be interested in those articles if you don't mind?

 Cheers

 Mark

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 I have used rman exclusively for all backups since I started with Oracle.
 It was very buggy before 8.0.6 but after that it is very stable.  It is
well
 worth learning,  I can send you some articles about is if you would like.
 You can't send attachments on the list.

 Regards,
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  What is the general consensus from the list on using RMAN? Pros? Cons?
  Any previous experience with problems as a result of using RMAN versus
  cold and hot backups. I would appreciate your inputs. Thanks in advance.
 
  Belinda K. Taylor
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RE: Comments on RMAN

2001-11-29 Thread Koivu, Lisa
Title: RE: Comments on RMAN





It's here, halfway down


http://www.evdbt.com/library.htm


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Someone on this list recently referenced the paper Is RMAN Really Worth the
Trouble? By Tim Gorman of SageLogix, Inc. It's fairly interesting. I
don't have a soft copy, just a hard one.


I can't remember where I found the copy I printed. I think if you search
for it with Google, you will find it.


Cherie Machler
Oracle DBA
Gelco Information Network



 
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I thought I had another one but I can't find it. It was done by Michael
Abbey of Pythian Consulting of Ottawa, Canada. His presentaion was entitle
something like 'If you don't use rman now you will' and explained how rman
uses oracle internals to avoid problems.


Regards,
Ruth
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 Ruth,

 I'd be interested in those articles if you don't mind?

 Cheers

 Mark

 -Original Message-
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 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 I have used rman exclusively for all backups since I started with Oracle.
 It was very buggy before 8.0.6 but after that it is very stable. It is
well
 worth learning, I can send you some articles about is if you would like.
 You can't send attachments on the list.

 Regards,
 Ruth

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 Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 7:25 AM


  What is the general consensus from the list on using RMAN? Pros? Cons?
  Any previous experience with problems as a result of using RMAN versus
  cold and hot backups. I would appreciate your inputs. Thanks in
advance.
 
  Belinda K. Taylor
  Database Analyst, Database Support
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  Information Technology Unit
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