RE: HELP! / RE: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
Done. Why does it say: !TOIDI NA ERA UOY - Kirti > -Original Message- > From: Jared Still [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:47 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: Re: HELP! / RE: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server? > > > Print this entire thread out, then hold up to mirror. > > Jared > > On Friday 01 June 2001 09:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > !!!EM PLEH > > > > Scott Shafer > > San Antonio, TX > > 210-581-6217 > > > > > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
Is that like how the biggest offender in terms of ignoring Windows programming and interface standards, is Microsoft? At 12:03 PM 6/1/01 -0800, you wrote: >On Thursday 31 May 2001 13:23, Rachel Carmichael wrote: >> I want to know if it is allowable to kill programmers who say "these are >> the rules for data in this column" but then don't enforce those same rules. > Dennis Taylor One man's beach is another man's erosion. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Dennis Taylor INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: HELP! / RE: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
You forgot the most important program loop: elsif "is is friday yet?" = true then loop beer_counter = beer_counter + 1 end loop endif > if "is it friday yet?" != true > then >SET INDIGESTION ON > endif > > On 1 Jun 2001, at 8:54, Jared Still wrote: > > > > > HELP > > ... > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Eric D. Pierce > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- Jim Hawkins Lead SAPR/3 Oracle Database Administrator MEMC Electronic Materials, Inc. 600 Pearl Drive St. Louis, MO 633376 9636) 474-7832 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jim Hawkins INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
On Thursday 31 May 2001 13:23, Rachel Carmichael wrote: > I want to know if it is allowable to kill programmers who say "these are > the rules for data in this column" but then don't enforce those same rules. Only if it's slow and painful. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: HELP! / RE: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
Print this entire thread out, then hold up to mirror. Jared On Friday 01 June 2001 09:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > !!!EM PLEH > > Scott Shafer > San Antonio, TX > 210-581-6217 > > "And no amount of training or preparedness can eliminate the almost > certainty that in the middle of your Angry Crane stance, as you transition > to your Combative Monkey to administer the Coup de Grâce via your Ninja > Death Touch, you step on a beer bottle and fall backwards into the juke box > and get your head stove in by a drunk with a pool cue." --Jay Trigg > > > -Original Message- > > From: Eric D. Pierce [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 7:11 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject:HELP! / RE: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server? > > > > are you a complete idiot? > > > > On 31 May 2001, at 13:34, Bowes, Chris wrote: > > > I protest Jared's removal from the list for telling jokes!Henry > > > > please > > > > > reconsider! :) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: HELP! / RE: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
!!!EM PLEH Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210-581-6217 "And no amount of training or preparedness can eliminate the almost certainty that in the middle of your Angry Crane stance, as you transition to your Combative Monkey to administer the Coup de Grâce via your Ninja Death Touch, you step on a beer bottle and fall backwards into the juke box and get your head stove in by a drunk with a pool cue." --Jay Trigg > -Original Message- > From: Eric D. Pierce [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 7:11 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: HELP! / RE: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server? > > are you a complete idiot? > > On 31 May 2001, at 13:34, Bowes, Chris wrote: > > I protest Jared's removal from the list for telling jokes!Henry > please > > reconsider! :) > > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: HELP! / RE: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
if "is it friday yet?" != true then SET INDIGESTION ON endif On 1 Jun 2001, at 8:54, Jared Still wrote: > > HELP ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: HELP! / RE: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
HELP On Thursday 31 May 2001 17:11, Eric D. Pierce wrote: > are you a complete idiot? > > On 31 May 2001, at 13:34, Bowes, Chris wrote: > > I protest Jared's removal from the list for telling jokes!Henry > > please reconsider! :) > > ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
HELP! / RE: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
are you a complete idiot? On 31 May 2001, at 13:34, Bowes, Chris wrote: > I protest Jared's removal from the list for telling jokes!Henry please > reconsider! :) ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
Title: RE: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server? I protest Jared's removal from the list for telling jokes! Henry please reconsider! :) --Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Gary Weber [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 4:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server? Jared/all, A joke is exactly how I read it and is how I meant my request for HELP to come across :). Btw, thanks to everyone for interesting replies, reaffirming my grim suspicions about MS idea of "archiving"... Gary Weber Senior DBA Charles Jones, LLC 609-530-1144, ext 5529 -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] I thought everyone would realize this is a joke. It's been appearing with some regularity in a mocking tone of someone that posted it seriously a couple of weeks ago. Sigh... Maybe I am just having a bad day. Jared On Wednesday 30 May 2001 23:50, Jared Still wrote: > Are you an idiot? > > Jared > > On Wednesday 30 May 2001 14:55, Gary Weber wrote: > > >>Guess what happens when a long running transaction marks > > > > the log near the end, and not too long afterward the log > > needs truncated? If memory serves, ( hasn't worked too well lately :) the > > database > > will hang. It may just truncate back to the mark, and start from > > there, but you always have the possibility of another long > > transaction starting.<< > > > > HELP > > > > Gary Weber > > Senior DBA > > Charles Jones, LLC > > 609-530-1144, ext 5529 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gary Weber INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
You mean like the programmers of the Oracle Applications? What would we need for that, a missile? (What kills me is that, they don't use declared foreign key constraints in the database. Presumably, since the code base is so old, if they introduced them now everything would break. You'd think they could at least put disabled ones in there...) Diana Duncan TITAN Technology Partners One Copley Parkway, Ste 540 Morrisville, NC 27560 VM: 919.466.7337 x 316 F: 919.466.7427 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Rachel Carmichael" To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fax to: Sent by: Subject: Re: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server? root@fatcity. com 05/31/2001 04:23 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L I want to know if it is allowable to kill programmers who say "these are the rules for data in this column" but then don't enforce those same rules. Rachel (rolling up her sleeves, putting on the rubber gloves to begin data scrubbing really BAD data) >From: Jared Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server? >Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:38:08 -0800 > > >I thought everyone would realize this is a joke. It's been >appearing with some regularity in a mocking tone of >someone that posted it seriously a couple of weeks ago. > >Sigh... Maybe I am just having a bad day. > >Jared > > >On Wednesday 30 May 2001 23:50, Jared Still wrote: > > Are you an idiot? > > > > Jared > > > > On Wednesday 30 May 2001 14:55, Gary Weber wrote: > > > >>Guess what happens when a long running transaction marks > > > > > > the log near the end, and not too long afterward the log > > > needs truncated? If memory serves, ( hasn't worked too well lately :) >the > > > database > > > will hang. It may just truncate back to the mark, and start from > > > there, but you always have the possibility of another long > > > transaction starting.<< > > > > > > HELP > > > > > > Gary Weber > > > Senior DBA > > > Charles Jones, LLC > > > 609-530-1144, ext 5529 >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: Jared Still > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTE
RE: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
HELP I have no sense of humour : ) Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- From: Gary Weber [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 4:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server? Jared/all, A joke is exactly how I read it and is how I meant my request for HELP to come across :). Btw, thanks to everyone for interesting replies, reaffirming my grim suspicions about MS idea of "archiving"... Gary Weber Senior DBA Charles Jones, LLC 609-530-1144, ext 5529 -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] I thought everyone would realize this is a joke. It's been appearing with some regularity in a mocking tone of someone that posted it seriously a couple of weeks ago. Sigh... Maybe I am just having a bad day. Jared On Wednesday 30 May 2001 23:50, Jared Still wrote: > Are you an idiot? > > Jared > > On Wednesday 30 May 2001 14:55, Gary Weber wrote: > > >>Guess what happens when a long running transaction marks > > > > the log near the end, and not too long afterward the log > > needs truncated? If memory serves, ( hasn't worked too well lately :) the > > database > > will hang. It may just truncate back to the mark, and start from > > there, but you always have the possibility of another long > > transaction starting.<< > > > > HELP > > > > Gary Weber > > Senior DBA > > Charles Jones, LLC > > 609-530-1144, ext 5529 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gary Weber INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
Jared/all, A joke is exactly how I read it and is how I meant my request for HELP to come across :). Btw, thanks to everyone for interesting replies, reaffirming my grim suspicions about MS idea of "archiving"... Gary Weber Senior DBA Charles Jones, LLC 609-530-1144, ext 5529 -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] I thought everyone would realize this is a joke. It's been appearing with some regularity in a mocking tone of someone that posted it seriously a couple of weeks ago. Sigh... Maybe I am just having a bad day. Jared On Wednesday 30 May 2001 23:50, Jared Still wrote: > Are you an idiot? > > Jared > > On Wednesday 30 May 2001 14:55, Gary Weber wrote: > > >>Guess what happens when a long running transaction marks > > > > the log near the end, and not too long afterward the log > > needs truncated? If memory serves, ( hasn't worked too well lately :) the > > database > > will hang. It may just truncate back to the mark, and start from > > there, but you always have the possibility of another long > > transaction starting.<< > > > > HELP > > > > Gary Weber > > Senior DBA > > Charles Jones, LLC > > 609-530-1144, ext 5529 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gary Weber INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
I thought everyone would realize this is a joke. It's been appearing with some regularity in a mocking tone of someone that posted it seriously a couple of weeks ago. Sigh... Maybe I am just having a bad day. Jared On Wednesday 30 May 2001 23:50, Jared Still wrote: > Are you an idiot? > > Jared > > On Wednesday 30 May 2001 14:55, Gary Weber wrote: > > >>Guess what happens when a long running transaction marks > > > > the log near the end, and not too long afterward the log > > needs truncated? If memory serves, ( hasn't worked too well lately :) the > > database > > will hang. It may just truncate back to the mark, and start from > > there, but you always have the possibility of another long > > transaction starting.<< > > > > HELP > > > > Gary Weber > > Senior DBA > > Charles Jones, LLC > > 609-530-1144, ext 5529 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
I want to know if it is allowable to kill programmers who say "these are the rules for data in this column" but then don't enforce those same rules. Rachel (rolling up her sleeves, putting on the rubber gloves to begin data scrubbing really BAD data) >From: Jared Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server? >Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:38:08 -0800 > > >I thought everyone would realize this is a joke. It's been >appearing with some regularity in a mocking tone of >someone that posted it seriously a couple of weeks ago. > >Sigh... Maybe I am just having a bad day. > >Jared > > >On Wednesday 30 May 2001 23:50, Jared Still wrote: > > Are you an idiot? > > > > Jared > > > > On Wednesday 30 May 2001 14:55, Gary Weber wrote: > > > >>Guess what happens when a long running transaction marks > > > > > > the log near the end, and not too long afterward the log > > > needs truncated? If memory serves, ( hasn't worked too well lately :) >the > > > database > > > will hang. It may just truncate back to the mark, and start from > > > there, but you always have the possibility of another long > > > transaction starting.<< > > > > > > HELP > > > > > > Gary Weber > > > Senior DBA > > > Charles Jones, LLC > > > 609-530-1144, ext 5529 >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: Jared Still > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
nah. you aren't, the rest of us are :) >From: Jared Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server? >Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:38:08 -0800 > > >I thought everyone would realize this is a joke. It's been >appearing with some regularity in a mocking tone of >someone that posted it seriously a couple of weeks ago. > >Sigh... Maybe I am just having a bad day. > >Jared > > >On Wednesday 30 May 2001 23:50, Jared Still wrote: > > Are you an idiot? > > > > Jared > > > > On Wednesday 30 May 2001 14:55, Gary Weber wrote: > > > >>Guess what happens when a long running transaction marks > > > > > > the log near the end, and not too long afterward the log > > > needs truncated? If memory serves, ( hasn't worked too well lately :) >the > > > database > > > will hang. It may just truncate back to the mark, and start from > > > there, but you always have the possibility of another long > > > transaction starting.<< > > > > > > HELP > > > > > > Gary Weber > > > Senior DBA > > > Charles Jones, LLC > > > 609-530-1144, ext 5529 >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: Jared Still > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
Bet you aren't an idiot: bet you're suffering from Microsoft-induced
aphasia.
I hate MS's habit of taking perfectly good industry vocabulary and making
the words mean too-specific proprietary things.
Works in MS's favor: helps the MSCEs makes the rest of the world feel like
idiots!
As far as the archiving, I curse both houses Oracle and Microsoft. On my
old RDB (when it was Digital) database, I could take a reliable fast full
backup any old time, and throw away any old backups that I'd created before.
Not like Oracle where I have to quilt together old redo logs/datafiles or
SQL Server where I have to keep all of the silly transaction logs to make
any kind of reliable copy.
Before you flame: yes I could quilt together RDB with the After-Image
Journals, and I could take am Oracle backup with export/import or use a
fancy Sql Server utility and have a semi-reliable backup. I'm only arguing
that the scale of work associated with the task at hand seemed much more
appropriate in RDB. 'Course RDB ran on proprietary operating system OOPS!
start a new flame!
-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 9:41 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Yeah? But you know what? After few hours with SQL manual I'm starting to
feel like an idiot.
Supreme Council says: "All Aboard MS SQL!"
Me says: "Abandon Ship!"
Gary Weber
Senior DBA
Charles Jones, LLC
609-530-1144, ext 5529
-Original Message-
Patrice J
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 7:35 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Jared is having a bad day.
: )
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
Technology Services| Services technologiques
Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique
Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO
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-Original Message-
From: Jared Still [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:51 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject:Re: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
Are you an idiot?
Jared
On Wednesday 30 May 2001 14:55, Gary Weber wrote:
> >>Guess what happens when a long running transaction marks
>
> the log near the end, and not too long afterward the log
> needs truncated? If memory serves, ( hasn't worked too well lately
:) the
> database
> will hang. It may just truncate back to the mark, and start from
> there, but you always have the possibility of another long
> transaction starting.<<
>
> HELP
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RE: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
Yeah? But you know what? After few hours with SQL manual I'm starting to
feel like an idiot.
Supreme Council says: "All Aboard MS SQL!"
Me says: "Abandon Ship!"
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Patrice J
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Jared is having a bad day.
: )
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Subject: Re: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
Are you an idiot?
Jared
On Wednesday 30 May 2001 14:55, Gary Weber wrote:
> >>Guess what happens when a long running transaction marks
>
> the log near the end, and not too long afterward the log
> needs truncated? If memory serves, ( hasn't worked too well lately
:) the
> database
> will hang. It may just truncate back to the mark, and start from
> there, but you always have the possibility of another long
> transaction starting.<<
>
> HELP
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RE: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
Jared is having a bad day. : ) Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -Original Message- From: Jared Still [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:51 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server? Are you an idiot? Jared On Wednesday 30 May 2001 14:55, Gary Weber wrote: > >>Guess what happens when a long running transaction marks > > the log near the end, and not too long afterward the log > needs truncated? If memory serves, ( hasn't worked too well lately :) the > database > will hang. It may just truncate back to the mark, and start from > there, but you always have the possibility of another long > transaction starting.<< > > HELP > > Gary Weber > Senior DBA > Charles Jones, LLC > 609-530-1144, ext 5529 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
Are you an idiot? Jared On Wednesday 30 May 2001 14:55, Gary Weber wrote: > >>Guess what happens when a long running transaction marks > > the log near the end, and not too long afterward the log > needs truncated? If memory serves, ( hasn't worked too well lately :) the > database > will hang. It may just truncate back to the mark, and start from > there, but you always have the possibility of another long > transaction starting.<< > > HELP > > Gary Weber > Senior DBA > Charles Jones, LLC > 609-530-1144, ext 5529 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
In Sybase, you can just dump tran to a file device, that should clear the log and keep a copy of it in case you need point in time recovery. you shouldn't just truncate it -Original Message- Carmichael Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 2:33 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I'd get frantic phone calls from the programmers... in the version of Sybase we were using (4.something), truncate actually archived off the log info. But it needed to write to the log. If the log was full, I had to trash it and then pray that nothing went wrong before I could get a full backup done. >From: Jared Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server? >Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:02:48 -0800 > > >And thus you discover the inane mechanism that SQL Server >inherited from Sybase, by which both try to do concurrency. > >Guess what happens when a long running transaction marks >the log near the end, and not too long afterward the log >needs truncated? > >If memory serves, ( hasn't worked too well lately :) the database >will hang. It may just truncate back to the mark, and start from >there, but you always have the possibility of another long >transaction starting. > >Can't remember the details, but what I do remember clearly >is that it is a process that has to be closely watched, and I >didn't particularly care for the way it worked. > >Jared > > >On Wednesday 30 May 2001 11:41, Gary Weber wrote: > > Halo, > > > > Windoz 2000/SQL Server 2000 > > > > Bringing an axuliary MS SQL db online. Trying to setup "archiving". Am I > > reading documentation right, SQL does NOT automatically archive >transaction > > log? This process must be setup via backup routine, which truncates the >log > > upon completion? > > > > Lemme try some logic: > > > > Oracle's redo logs = MS transaction log(s) > > Oracle's archived logs = ? > > > > > > Gary Weber > > Senior DBA > > Charles Jones, LLC > > 609-530-1144, ext 5529 >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: Jared Still > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: James Xing INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
>>Guess what happens when a long running transaction marks the log near the end, and not too long afterward the log needs truncated? If memory serves, ( hasn't worked too well lately :) the database will hang. It may just truncate back to the mark, and start from there, but you always have the possibility of another long transaction starting.<< HELP Gary Weber Senior DBA Charles Jones, LLC 609-530-1144, ext 5529 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gary Weber INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
-Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 1:03 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle's archived logs = MS transaction log dump files. If you enable "truncate log on chkpt", the transaction log will be truncated every time there is checkpoint. Another way to do is to setup thresholdaction, it will be fired up automically when the space reach certain percentage defined. James And thus you discover the inane mechanism that SQL Server inherited from Sybase, by which both try to do concurrency. Guess what happens when a long running transaction marks the log near the end, and not too long afterward the log needs truncated? If memory serves, ( hasn't worked too well lately :) the database will hang. It may just truncate back to the mark, and start from there, but you always have the possibility of another long transaction starting. Can't remember the details, but what I do remember clearly is that it is a process that has to be closely watched, and I didn't particularly care for the way it worked. Jared On Wednesday 30 May 2001 11:41, Gary Weber wrote: > Halo, > > Windoz 2000/SQL Server 2000 > > Bringing an axuliary MS SQL db online. Trying to setup "archiving". Am I > reading documentation right, SQL does NOT automatically archive transaction > log? This process must be setup via backup routine, which truncates the log > upon completion? > > Lemme try some logic: > > Oracle's redo logs = MS transaction log(s) > Oracle's archived logs = ? > > > Gary Weber > Senior DBA > Charles Jones, LLC > 609-530-1144, ext 5529 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: James Xing INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
I'd get frantic phone calls from the programmers... in the version of Sybase we were using (4.something), truncate actually archived off the log info. But it needed to write to the log. If the log was full, I had to trash it and then pray that nothing went wrong before I could get a full backup done. >From: Jared Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server? >Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:02:48 -0800 > > >And thus you discover the inane mechanism that SQL Server >inherited from Sybase, by which both try to do concurrency. > >Guess what happens when a long running transaction marks >the log near the end, and not too long afterward the log >needs truncated? > >If memory serves, ( hasn't worked too well lately :) the database >will hang. It may just truncate back to the mark, and start from >there, but you always have the possibility of another long >transaction starting. > >Can't remember the details, but what I do remember clearly >is that it is a process that has to be closely watched, and I >didn't particularly care for the way it worked. > >Jared > > >On Wednesday 30 May 2001 11:41, Gary Weber wrote: > > Halo, > > > > Windoz 2000/SQL Server 2000 > > > > Bringing an axuliary MS SQL db online. Trying to setup "archiving". Am I > > reading documentation right, SQL does NOT automatically archive >transaction > > log? This process must be setup via backup routine, which truncates the >log > > upon completion? > > > > Lemme try some logic: > > > > Oracle's redo logs = MS transaction log(s) > > Oracle's archived logs = ? > > > > > > Gary Weber > > Senior DBA > > Charles Jones, LLC > > 609-530-1144, ext 5529 >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: Jared Still > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
And thus you discover the inane mechanism that SQL Server inherited from Sybase, by which both try to do concurrency. Guess what happens when a long running transaction marks the log near the end, and not too long afterward the log needs truncated? If memory serves, ( hasn't worked too well lately :) the database will hang. It may just truncate back to the mark, and start from there, but you always have the possibility of another long transaction starting. Can't remember the details, but what I do remember clearly is that it is a process that has to be closely watched, and I didn't particularly care for the way it worked. Jared On Wednesday 30 May 2001 11:41, Gary Weber wrote: > Halo, > > Windoz 2000/SQL Server 2000 > > Bringing an axuliary MS SQL db online. Trying to setup "archiving". Am I > reading documentation right, SQL does NOT automatically archive transaction > log? This process must be setup via backup routine, which truncates the log > upon completion? > > Lemme try some logic: > > Oracle's redo logs = MS transaction log(s) > Oracle's archived logs = ? > > > Gary Weber > Senior DBA > Charles Jones, LLC > 609-530-1144, ext 5529 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?
Halo, Windoz 2000/SQL Server 2000 Bringing an axuliary MS SQL db online. Trying to setup "archiving". Am I reading documentation right, SQL does NOT automatically archive transaction log? This process must be setup via backup routine, which truncates the log upon completion? Lemme try some logic: Oracle's redo logs = MS transaction log(s) Oracle's archived logs = ? Gary Weber Senior DBA Charles Jones, LLC 609-530-1144, ext 5529 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gary Weber INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
