RE: OT: Re: Common Oracle RDBMS Misconceptions

2001-06-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael

thanks I thought it would be a good way to end it on a smile


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>Rachel, I love those animations on the last slide!! :0)
>
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>Joe,
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>Oops, not that I forgot, I don't think I knew.
>
>okay KEVIN!!! :)
>
>Will send him a new copy to put up there.
>
>Rachel
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RE: OT: Re: Common Oracle RDBMS Misconceptions

2001-06-29 Thread Guy Hammond

Rachel, I love those animations on the last slide!! :0)

g


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Joe,

Oops, not that I forgot, I don't think I knew.

okay KEVIN!!! :)

Will send him a new copy to put up there.

Rachel
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Re: OT: Re: Common Oracle RDBMS Misconceptions

2001-06-27 Thread Paul Drake

"Toepke, Kevin M" wrote:
> 
> Rachel:
> 
> The problem seems to be the ftp from work to the OOUG web site (it gets
> corrupted in the transfer.) I'll try again later from home.
> 
> Kevin
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> Joe,
> 
> Oops, not that I forgot, I don't think I knew.
> 
> okay KEVIN!!! :)
> 
> Will send him a new copy to put up there.
> 
> Rachel
> 

Rachel,

In the presentation, I saw:

always set timed_statistics=true 
having lots of extents is not a problem -   |lots|= ???

Care to repent - or stipulate that it was for a de-supported (or soon to
be) version?

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RE: OT: Re: Common Oracle RDBMS Misconceptions

2001-06-27 Thread Toepke, Kevin M

Rachel:

The problem seems to be the ftp from work to the OOUG web site (it gets
corrupted in the transfer.) I'll try again later from home.

Kevin

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Joe,

Oops, not that I forgot, I don't think I knew.

okay KEVIN!!! :)

Will send him a new copy to put up there.

Rachel


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>Subject: OT: Re: Common Oracle RDBMS Misconceptions
>Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 20:30:31 -0800
>
>Rachel, i'm not even on the board(OOUG) anymore(seems most people forget
>that).
>
>Hit up Kevin, he's playing webmaster.
>
>joe
>Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> >
> > dunno... it's their site. oh JOE!
> >
> > I'll see if I can get it fixed there. If not, again, will see if I can 
>get
> > it onto the NYOUG site
> >
> > >From: "Post, Ethan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: RE: Common Oracle RDBMS Misconceptions
> > >Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:16:04 -0800
> > >
> > >Couldn't open it with PPT 97. - E
> > >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 6:10 PM
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > >well, the slides are at:  http://www.ooug.org/slides.html
> > >
> > >i'm trying to find a copy of the paper... we gave it in Ohio and at ECO

>but
> > >I don't see the paper on their sites. Once I get a copy, it will get 
>posted
> > >to the NYOUG site (www.nyoug.org)
> > >
> > >Rachel
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: Re: Common Oracle RDBMS Misconceptions
> > > >Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:26:20 -0800
> > > >
> > > >Where can I get the "exploding the myths" paper?
> > > >
> > > >Thanks,
> > > >Ken Janusz, CPIM
> > > > > Jeremiah,
> > > > >
> > > > > Marlene and I did an "exploding the myths" paper very similar to 
>what
> > > >you
> > > > > are doing..
> > > > >
> > > > > "always set pctincrease on your temporary tablespace to 1"
> > > > >
> > > > > and my OOW submission is very very similar to yours.  Not quite, 
>but
> > > >really
> > > > > close.
> > > > >
> > > > > It will be interesting to see if they choose one, both or neither 
>of
> > >our
> > > > > papers :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Rachel
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: Jeremiah Wilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >Subject: Re: Common Oracle RDBMS Misconceptions
> > > > > >Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:05:27 -0800
> > > > > >
> > > > > >All right folks, I'm collecting misconceptions, of the type held 
>by
> > > >newbies
> > > > > >and
> > > > > >oldtimers alike.  My OOW proposal this year is for a presentation

>and
> > > >paper
> > > > > >on a
> > > > > >whole laundry list of these things, similar to what I wrote for 
>hot
> > > >backup.
> > > > > >  I
> > > > > >want to share what I have so far and solicit input for your 
>favorites
> > > >(pet
> > > > > >peeves).  I most certainly will credit individuals and this list 
>for
> > > >any
> > > > > >ideas I
> > > > > >glean.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >So far my favorite misconceptions are:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >* Hot backup stops writing to datafiles
> > > > > >* All network communication is done through the listener
> > > > > >* Always 'switch logfile' after (before, inbetween) hot backups
> > > > > >* Media recovery is required if you crash during backup mode
&g

Re: OT: Re: Common Oracle RDBMS Misconceptions

2001-06-27 Thread Rachel Carmichael

Joe,

Oops, not that I forgot, I don't think I knew.

okay KEVIN!!! :)

Will send him a new copy to put up there.

Rachel


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>Subject: OT: Re: Common Oracle RDBMS Misconceptions
>Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 20:30:31 -0800
>
>Rachel, i'm not even on the board(OOUG) anymore(seems most people forget
>that).
>
>Hit up Kevin, he's playing webmaster.
>
>joe
>Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> >
> > dunno... it's their site. oh JOE!
> >
> > I'll see if I can get it fixed there. If not, again, will see if I can 
>get
> > it onto the NYOUG site
> >
> > >From: "Post, Ethan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: RE: Common Oracle RDBMS Misconceptions
> > >Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:16:04 -0800
> > >
> > >Couldn't open it with PPT 97. - E
> > >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 6:10 PM
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > >well, the slides are at:  http://www.ooug.org/slides.html
> > >
> > >i'm trying to find a copy of the paper... we gave it in Ohio and at ECO 
>but
> > >I don't see the paper on their sites. Once I get a copy, it will get 
>posted
> > >to the NYOUG site (www.nyoug.org)
> > >
> > >Rachel
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: Re: Common Oracle RDBMS Misconceptions
> > > >Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:26:20 -0800
> > > >
> > > >Where can I get the "exploding the myths" paper?
> > > >
> > > >Thanks,
> > > >Ken Janusz, CPIM
> > > > > Jeremiah,
> > > > >
> > > > > Marlene and I did an "exploding the myths" paper very similar to 
>what
> > > >you
> > > > > are doing..
> > > > >
> > > > > "always set pctincrease on your temporary tablespace to 1"
> > > > >
> > > > > and my OOW submission is very very similar to yours.  Not quite, 
>but
> > > >really
> > > > > close.
> > > > >
> > > > > It will be interesting to see if they choose one, both or neither 
>of
> > >our
> > > > > papers :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Rachel
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: Jeremiah Wilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >Subject: Re: Common Oracle RDBMS Misconceptions
> > > > > >Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:05:27 -0800
> > > > > >
> > > > > >All right folks, I'm collecting misconceptions, of the type held 
>by
> > > >newbies
> > > > > >and
> > > > > >oldtimers alike.  My OOW proposal this year is for a presentation 
>and
> > > >paper
> > > > > >on a
> > > > > >whole laundry list of these things, similar to what I wrote for 
>hot
> > > >backup.
> > > > > >  I
> > > > > >want to share what I have so far and solicit input for your 
>favorites
> > > >(pet
> > > > > >peeves).  I most certainly will credit individuals and this list 
>for
> > > >any
> > > > > >ideas I
> > > > > >glean.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >So far my favorite misconceptions are:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >* Hot backup stops writing to datafiles
> > > > > >* All network communication is done through the listener
> > > > > >* Always 'switch logfile' after (before, inbetween) hot backups
> > > > > >* Media recovery is required if you crash during backup mode
> > > > > >* Cold backup once a week ("just in case," "as a 'baseline'")
> > > > > >* Export is a good way to back up your database
> > > > > >* Shutdown abort is bad, crash recovery time is as

OT: Re: Common Oracle RDBMS Misconceptions

2001-06-26 Thread teci

Rachel, i'm not even on the board(OOUG) anymore(seems most people forget
that).

Hit up Kevin, he's playing webmaster.

joe
Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> 
> dunno... it's their site. oh JOE!
> 
> I'll see if I can get it fixed there. If not, again, will see if I can get
> it onto the NYOUG site
> 
> >From: "Post, Ethan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: Common Oracle RDBMS Misconceptions
> >Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:16:04 -0800
> >
> >Couldn't open it with PPT 97. - E
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 6:10 PM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >well, the slides are at:  http://www.ooug.org/slides.html
> >
> >i'm trying to find a copy of the paper... we gave it in Ohio and at ECO but
> >I don't see the paper on their sites. Once I get a copy, it will get posted
> >to the NYOUG site (www.nyoug.org)
> >
> >Rachel
> >
> >
> > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: Re: Common Oracle RDBMS Misconceptions
> > >Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:26:20 -0800
> > >
> > >Where can I get the "exploding the myths" paper?
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Ken Janusz, CPIM
> > > > Jeremiah,
> > > >
> > > > Marlene and I did an "exploding the myths" paper very similar to what
> > >you
> > > > are doing..
> > > >
> > > > "always set pctincrease on your temporary tablespace to 1"
> > > >
> > > > and my OOW submission is very very similar to yours.  Not quite, but
> > >really
> > > > close.
> > > >
> > > > It will be interesting to see if they choose one, both or neither of
> >our
> > > > papers :)
> > > >
> > > > Rachel
> > > >
> > > > >From: Jeremiah Wilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Subject: Re: Common Oracle RDBMS Misconceptions
> > > > >Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:05:27 -0800
> > > > >
> > > > >All right folks, I'm collecting misconceptions, of the type held by
> > >newbies
> > > > >and
> > > > >oldtimers alike.  My OOW proposal this year is for a presentation and
> > >paper
> > > > >on a
> > > > >whole laundry list of these things, similar to what I wrote for hot
> > >backup.
> > > > >  I
> > > > >want to share what I have so far and solicit input for your favorites
> > >(pet
> > > > >peeves).  I most certainly will credit individuals and this list for
> > >any
> > > > >ideas I
> > > > >glean.
> > > > >
> > > > >So far my favorite misconceptions are:
> > > > >
> > > > >* Hot backup stops writing to datafiles
> > > > >* All network communication is done through the listener
> > > > >* Always 'switch logfile' after (before, inbetween) hot backups
> > > > >* Media recovery is required if you crash during backup mode
> > > > >* Cold backup once a week ("just in case," "as a 'baseline'")
> > > > >* Export is a good way to back up your database
> > > > >* Shutdown abort is bad, crash recovery time is as long as 'shutdown
> > > > >immediate'
> > > > >* Listener.log/alert.log clearing confusion
> > > > >* ORA-1555 can be solved by setting transaction (use specific
> >rollback
> > >seg)
> > > > >* Big batch jobs should use one big RBS
> > > > >* ORA-600 means you have corruption / just call support for ORA-600
> > > > >* Lots of extents are bad
> > > > >* Databases can't be renamed
> > > > >* Select count (1) is better than count (*).
> > > > >* Listeners have to be started before the instance
> > > > >* NOLOGGING turns off logging for all operations
> > > > >* Oracle Corp. won't support NFS datafiles
> > > > >* checkpoint not complete - misguided solutions
> > > > >* Must reinstantiate standby after failover by recopying
> > > > >* redolog size change requires outage
> > > > >
> > > > >What's *your* pet misconception?
> > > > >
> > > > >--
> > > > >Jeremiah Wilton
> > > > >http://www.speakeasy.net/~jwilton
> > > > >
> > > > >On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, novicedba wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I visited Jeremiah Wilton's web page
> > >http://www.speakeasy.net/~jwilton
> > > > > > I was shocked to read Hot backup mode explained
> > > > > > If this is true then I may be a victim of a disease called
> > > > > > 'Common Oracle RDBMS Misconceptions' . Somebody help me!! (Jim
> > > > >carrey-MASK style)
> > > > > > Please help me. If some one has few more articles like this
> > >enlighten me
> > > > >
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RE: OT RE: Common Oracle RDBMS Misconceptions

2001-06-26 Thread Mohan, Ross

I guess I shudda thrown a smiley in there. yikes...

Anyway, I hope i am not in the minority when i say
that i think hit ratios *are* important, even
in tuning. I just don't think they are the sine
qua non of tuning.



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Gaja makes very good points about the importance of hit ratios but I don't
think we should go 180 degrees the other way and abandon them all together.
They certainly tell us something.  They just shouldn't necessarily be a
tuning goal.  However, most of us are only seeing the hit ratio as of
database startup. This is somewhat meaningless.  If you are aware of your
hit ratios as they look throughout the average day they become more
meaningful when something is awry. I think the real misconception is "bad
hit ratio = more memory" or "bad hit ratio = bad dba".  This is what we need
to clear up and bring some commen sense to. - Ethan

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Yea, "hit ratios" are never important. 

Ever. 

For anything. 




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RE: OT RE: Common Oracle RDBMS Misconceptions

2001-06-26 Thread Post, Ethan

Gaja makes very good points about the importance of hit ratios but I don't
think we should go 180 degrees the other way and abandon them all together.
They certainly tell us something.  They just shouldn't necessarily be a
tuning goal.  However, most of us are only seeing the hit ratio as of
database startup. This is somewhat meaningless.  If you are aware of your
hit ratios as they look throughout the average day they become more
meaningful when something is awry. I think the real misconception is "bad
hit ratio = more memory" or "bad hit ratio = bad dba".  This is what we need
to clear up and bring some commen sense to. - Ethan

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Yea, "hit ratios" are never important. 

Ever. 

For anything. 



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OT RE: Common Oracle RDBMS Misconceptions

2001-06-26 Thread Mohan, Ross

I think it's on a site somewhere in Bulgaria. 

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Rachel,

I am interested in reading your paper - Exploding the Myths.  How do I get
access to this paper?  Is it available on any website?

Thanks

Rao


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Jeremiah,

Marlene and I did an "exploding the myths" paper very similar to what you 
are doing..

"always set pctincrease on your temporary tablespace to 1"

and my OOW submission is very very similar to yours.  Not quite, but really 
close.

It will be interesting to see if they choose one, both or neither of our 
papers :)

Rachel

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OT RE: Common Oracle RDBMS Misconceptions

2001-06-26 Thread Mohan, Ross

Yea, "hit ratios" are never important. 

Ever. 

For anything. 



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Based on Gaja's book, tune based on waits not based on hit ratios.

Tom Terrian
Oracle DBA
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All right folks, I'm collecting misconceptions, of the type held by newbies
and
oldtimers alike.  My OOW proposal this year is for a presentation and paper
on a
whole laundry list of these things, similar to what I wrote for hot backup.
I
want to share what I have so far and solicit input for your favorites (pet
peeves).  I most certainly will credit individuals and this list for any
ideas I
glean.

So far my favorite misconceptions are:

* Hot backup stops writing to datafiles
* All network communication is done through the listener
* Always 'switch logfile' after (before, inbetween) hot backups
* Media recovery is required if you crash during backup mode
* Cold backup once a week ("just in case," "as a 'baseline'")
* Export is a good way to back up your database
* Shutdown abort is bad, crash recovery time is as long as 'shutdown
immediate'
* Listener.log/alert.log clearing confusion
* ORA-1555 can be solved by setting transaction (use specific rollback seg)
* Big batch jobs should use one big RBS
* ORA-600 means you have corruption / just call support for ORA-600
* Lots of extents are bad
* Databases can't be renamed
* Select count (1) is better than count (*).
* Listeners have to be started before the instance
* NOLOGGING turns off logging for all operations
* Oracle Corp. won't support NFS datafiles
* checkpoint not complete - misguided solutions
* Must reinstantiate standby after failover by recopying
* redolog size change requires outage

What's *your* pet misconception?

--
Jeremiah Wilton
http://www.speakeasy.net/~jwilton

On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, novicedba wrote:

> I visited Jeremiah Wilton's web page http://www.speakeasy.net/~jwilton
> I was shocked to read Hot backup mode explained
> If this is true then I may be a victim of a disease called
> 'Common Oracle RDBMS Misconceptions' . Somebody help me!! (Jim carrey-MASK
style)
> Please help me. If some one has few more articles like this enlighten me

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