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On Thu, 2 Aug 2001,Rachel Carmichael scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:

-we called that 52 card pickup -- take deck, throw in air, run like the devil
-was after us.
-
-I learned EARLY to draw intricate designs on the top of the deck so as to
-make putting it back together simpler.
-
-When projects were due, I'd cut every class but the computer ones, and stay
-in the computer center until midnight,when they closed. Oh the good old
-days!

i was one of those geeks who could put object decks back in order by hand.;-)
i still have several boxes of card decks.  the kids like them for bookmarks.


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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff


How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop!

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I remember a turtle, BUT he spoke to Mr. Owl, and the answer was 3.

For those not in the US, it's from an old TV commercial.

I started playing on Commodore-64's in high school in 1982.
I've still got some of those Verbatim 5.25 disks in the closet at home.

 
 What is the language that uses a turtle for teaching children about
 computers? What language was it based on?
 
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread A. Bardeen


Ain't that the truth.  I was in charge of maintaining
them (I use the term very loosely) when I was in
college and those drives were the flakiest things. 
Used to drive me nuts.  The joys of running word star
on CP/M... and thinking I was in heaven when I moved
to wordperfect.  Still think wordperfect was the best
DOS wordprocessor on the market.

--- Page, Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  And the DEC rainbow shipped with both DOS and
 CP/M.
 
 Nasty little thing.
 I built a billing system for a telephone company on
 them using Dbase II.
 We had to keep 10 sets of backs. We each had our own
 and then on was left with the system.  We kept 10
 because we would sometimes go through a lot of them
 before we could get a good restore.  We swore they
 had a built in fry disk at random command.
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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Terry Ball


Peabody.  Professor Peabody.  A long-eared, white dog.  Who taught History
to Sherman.

Terry

Rachel Carmichael wrote:

 Okay, who remembers Fractured Fairy Tales and the Professor and his boy
 Sherman?


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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Page, Bruce


 And the DEC rainbow shipped with both DOS and CP/M.

Nasty little thing.
I built a billing system for a telephone company on them using Dbase II.
We had to keep 10 sets of backs. We each had our own and then on was left with the 
system.  We kept 10 because we would sometimes go through a lot of them before we 
could get a good restore.  We swore they had a built in fry disk at random command.
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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Scott Shafer


The Cult of the Goddess does not take divine abandonment lightly...

--Scott Shafer, High Priest
  San Antonio, TX


Rachel Carmichael wrote:
 
 that settles it, I'm quietly packing up my desk and leaving the list. I
 don't belong here. I vaguely remember working with some of this stuff but
 not all.
 
 I either:
 
 1)never had a memory for anything
 2)was sleepwalking through most of my life
 3)am not and was not a nerd
 4)all of the above
 
 I think I'll lurk for awhile

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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Scott Shafer


According to Mr Owl, the answer is 3.


Rachel Carmichael wrote:
 
 one (ker-runch!)
 
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 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 07:27:16 -0800
 
 And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is How many licks
 does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?
 
   I remember a turtle, BUT he spoke to Mr. Owl, and the answer was 3.

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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff


On Thu, 2 Aug 2001,Scott Shafer scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:

-The Cult of the Goddess does not take divine abandonment lightly...
-
---Scott Shafer, High Priest
-  San Antonio, TX

hey, i thought that was my job!;-)

and i think i've been in this damn business t long.

should have took that job as a javalin catcher.;-)


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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Scott Shafer


Mid 70's?  I never used a computer before 1990.  I went from zero
experience to real-time, hybrid unix on a mainframe doing maintenance
programming for an Air Traffic Control system.  Prior to that, I worked
blue-collar (come from a long line of ironworkers) until I joined the
USAF and they told me I was a computer programmer...

Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX


Page, Bruce wrote:
 
 And just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.
 
 Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and having to use scotch 
tape to put them back together to run them through.  Or even the older guys that talk 
about switch boards.  I am not as old as them.  My computer days just go back to the 
mid 70's.
 
  I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a
  frickin clue
  what any of you are talking about:)

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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Kimberly Smith


We have a bowl full of them here.  I will get back to you.  I could
maybe get the whole staff into it and average it out so that we have
a more accurate answer.

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And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is How many licks does
it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?

 I remember a turtle, BUT he spoke to Mr. Owl, and the answer was 3.
 
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff


On Thu, 2 Aug 2001,Rachel Carmichael scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:

-Okay, who remembers Fractured Fairy Tales and the Professor and his boy
-Sherman?


Ok true story time.  i went to work as a forms developer for Xerox Business Systems 
back in 93 and the first day i got into work i was setting up my star workstation and 
my PC when the project manager went into the cube next to mine and started giving the 
programmer there a REAL hard time.

after he left i heard moose and squrril, moose and squrill, is always moose and 
squrril! in a perfect russian accent!  i feel off my chair, and the guy came to see 
if i was alright.  turns out he was from bellaruss(sp?) and learned english from 
watching cartoons.

from then on, if meetings got stupid, we'd look at each other and go moose and 
squrril.  people left us alone.;-)

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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Jon Baker

Title: RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff





From: Farnsworth, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

-Okay, who remembers Fractured Fairy Tales and the Professor and his
-boy Sherman?

On black and white TV!! :(


and was the screen round and did the tv have legs built in?

RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread tday6


2314 Disk drives are responsible for me being in the IT racket.

The problem with the 2314 was that it was removable, but it could not be
removed until it came to a complete stop.  Otherwise you might damage the
heads or the disk itself.  The disk drive had a glass window so that you
could see if something was mounted but the disk had no markings, so it was
impossible to tell just by looking whether the disk was spinning or not.
The only safe policy was to turn the drive off and wait five minutes to be
certain that the disk had spun down.  You then manually opened the drawer,
attached a carrying handle to the drive, and very gingerly removed it.

My immediate predecessor as a computer operator did not follow this policy.
He yanked the drive out while it was still spinning, gyroscoped around the
computer room and banged it into a printer.  He then decided to remount it
in order to make sure that he hadn't damaged the drive.  The damaged drive
trashed the heads.  This genius then decided that he couldn't tell whether
the drive or the heads were bad so he remounted the drive on another
spindle, just in case it was the first spindle's heads that were bad.  So
he trashed the second spindle's heads.

The machine had 4 spindles but it need two of them just to hold the
operating system.  So, they could boot the machine, but they couldn't mount
any data or do any work.  They fired him, had an opening, and hired me.

You can bet that I was glad when the 3330 disk drive came in.  It would not
open the door to let you dismount the pack until the drive had spotted
spinning.

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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Kathy Duret



The correct answer is 1 if it is a Cherry Toosie Pop.

Kathy

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And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is How many licks does it take 
to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?

 I remember a turtle, BUT he spoke to Mr. Owl, and the answer was 3.
 
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff


yeah, my father still try's to impress me with stories of punch cards and
such.  It's pretty funny.  The oldest computer I know of and still have is a
compaq portable computer.  It has the old 5 1/4 floppy drives and a
little tiny screen.  It's basically a suitcase, weighs about 40 pounds, the
bottom is the keyboard.  Kinda cool, I remember playing games on it as a kid
and thinking it was the most amazing thing.  Now it makes a good foot rest,
but that's about it:)
kk

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And just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.

Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and having to use
scotch tape to put them back together to run them through.  Or even the
older guys that talk about switch boards.  I am not as old as them.  My
computer days just go back to the mid 70's.


 I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a
 frickin clue
 what any of you are talking about:)
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Michael Kline


I remember doing APL on an IBM5100, an AT with a 4 inch BW screen
built on the side, and a switch to boot into APL or BASIC. The first
thing they had to do was blow it to the top of the link with 64k of
memory and TWO tape drives.

I could do in two hours what it took an engineer 2 days to do. In fact
I visited the company 10 years later and they wanted to know if I was
willing to do some more work on the box.

This was engineering, those monster storage takes for oil, gas, etc.
It was great for APL... I can still remember API-650K was an algebraic
formula that took 7 pages to document, and then the answer went back
into the first step until it was less than 1/10th of an inch difference.

But being matrix and vector oriented, you could to the whole thing
all at the same time. For what we were doing it was pretty neat.

I also remember IBM-360 model 25 and 40... 2311, 2314 disk drives...

Maks.
(Dating himself...)

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 What does APL stand for? What was very bad practice in APL that other
 languages use? What was used instead?
 
 A Programming Language.  Not sure of the other questions, but I remember
 learning the greek alphabet when I was using APL.  Very powerful
 vector-oriented language.  You could write one-line programs to accept a
 list of numbers, and spit out the average, mean, stand. dev., max, min and
 about anything else.  Pretty cool, except that picking up someone elses
 program to debug was a bitch!
 
 Tom Mercadante
 Oracle Certified Professional

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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Vergara, Michael (TEM)


Hmmm...I had one of those old Compaq's, too.  I was a consultant at the
time, and my partner had an Osborne.  We'd be going from San Diego to
Savannah via DFW, and we'd have to strap those two monsters to a set
of luggage wheels and haul a** through the airport to make the connection.

You could have fun with that, y'know.  You could gut it and install a
SBC (Single-board computer) card into the backplane with a 40G disk and
you'd have a nice modern machine - well except for the monitor.  But
I can imagine bringing that into a roomfull of laptops and watching
their users smirk until I fired it up and the lights dimmed...

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yeah, my father still try's to impress me with stories of punch cards and
such.  It's pretty funny.  The oldest computer I know of and still have is a
compaq portable computer.  It has the old 5 1/4 floppy drives and a
little tiny screen.  It's basically a suitcase, weighs about 40 pounds, the
bottom is the keyboard.  Kinda cool, I remember playing games on it as a kid
and thinking it was the most amazing thing.  Now it makes a good foot rest,
but that's about it:)
kk

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And just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.

Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and having to use
scotch tape to put them back together to run them through.  Or even the
older guys that talk about switch boards.  I am not as old as them.  My
computer days just go back to the mid 70's.


 I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a
 frickin clue
 what any of you are talking about:)
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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff


Ah, but lack of knowledge seems to indicate that you have been worshipping a 
false god(dess).

so I will leave before being found out and suitably punished  :)



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The Cult of the Goddess does not take divine abandonment lightly...

--Scott Shafer, High Priest
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Rachel Carmichael wrote:
 
  that settles it, I'm quietly packing up my desk and leaving the list. I
  don't belong here. I vaguely remember working with some of this stuff 
but
  not all.
 
  I either:
 
  1)never had a memory for anything
  2)was sleepwalking through most of my life
  3)am not and was not a nerd
  4)all of the above
 
  I think I'll lurk for awhile

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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

Okay, who remembers Fractured Fairy Tales and the Professor and his boy 
Sherman?

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And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is How many licks 
does
it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?

Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!

Dave

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And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is How many licks 
does
it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?

  I remember a turtle, BUT he spoke to Mr. Owl, and the answer was 3.

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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Norwood Bradly A


It was a magical box to a middle-aged me as well and looked much better than
my ugly metallic Kaypro.

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yeah, my father still try's to impress me with stories of punch cards and
such.  It's pretty funny.  The oldest computer I know of and still have is a
compaq portable computer.  It has the old 5 1/4 floppy drives and a
little tiny screen.  It's basically a suitcase, weighs about 40 pounds, the
bottom is the keyboard.  Kinda cool, I remember playing games on it as a kid
and thinking it was the most amazing thing.  Now it makes a good foot rest,
but that's about it:)
kk

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And just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.

Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and having to use
scotch tape to put them back together to run them through.  Or even the
older guys that talk about switch boards.  I am not as old as them.  My
computer days just go back to the mid 70's.


 I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a
 frickin clue
 what any of you are talking about:)
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Seley, Linda


One of those Compaqs was the first portable I took home from work 7 years
ago!  It sat in my basement until 3 years ago when I lugged it back - we
were moving and I didn't want to be responsible for it any more!  (Gosh, a
1200k modem?)

Same company that is *still* using PL/1 as it's mainframe programming
language and APL in the actuarial department.

Linda

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yeah, my father still try's to impress me with stories of punch cards and
such.  It's pretty funny.  The oldest computer I know of and still have is a
compaq portable computer.  It has the old 5 1/4 floppy drives and a
little tiny screen.  It's basically a suitcase, weighs about 40 pounds, the
bottom is the keyboard.  Kinda cool, I remember playing games on it as a kid
and thinking it was the most amazing thing.  Now it makes a good foot rest,
but that's about it:)
kk

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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


And just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.

Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and having to use
scotch tape to put them back together to run them through.  Or even the
older guys that talk about switch boards.  I am not as old as them.  My
computer days just go back to the mid 70's.


 I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a
 frickin clue
 what any of you are talking about:)
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

young whippersnapper!  quiet down and let us old fogies reminisce :)

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yeah, my father still try's to impress me with stories of punch cards and
such.  It's pretty funny.  The oldest computer I know of and still have is 
a
compaq portable computer.  It has the old 5 1/4 floppy drives and a
little tiny screen.  It's basically a suitcase, weighs about 40 pounds, the
bottom is the keyboard.  Kinda cool, I remember playing games on it as a 
kid
and thinking it was the most amazing thing.  Now it makes a good foot rest,
but that's about it:)
kk

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And just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.

Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and having to use
scotch tape to put them back together to run them through.  Or even the
older guys that talk about switch boards.  I am not as old as them.  My
computer days just go back to the mid 70's.

  I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a
  frickin clue
  what any of you are talking about:)
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff


Hahahah, that's a good idea, that would very funny!!

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Hmmm...I had one of those old Compaq's, too.  I was a consultant at the
time, and my partner had an Osborne.  We'd be going from San Diego to
Savannah via DFW, and we'd have to strap those two monsters to a set
of luggage wheels and haul a** through the airport to make the connection.

You could have fun with that, y'know.  You could gut it and install a
SBC (Single-board computer) card into the backplane with a 40G disk and
you'd have a nice modern machine - well except for the monitor.  But
I can imagine bringing that into a roomfull of laptops and watching
their users smirk until I fired it up and the lights dimmed...

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yeah, my father still try's to impress me with stories of punch cards and
such.  It's pretty funny.  The oldest computer I know of and still have is a
compaq portable computer.  It has the old 5 1/4 floppy drives and a
little tiny screen.  It's basically a suitcase, weighs about 40 pounds, the
bottom is the keyboard.  Kinda cool, I remember playing games on it as a kid
and thinking it was the most amazing thing.  Now it makes a good foot rest,
but that's about it:)
kk

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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


And just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.

Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and having to use
scotch tape to put them back together to run them through.  Or even the
older guys that talk about switch boards.  I am not as old as them.  My
computer days just go back to the mid 70's.


 I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a
 frickin clue
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff


Famous? OY!

Ivan -- we usually manage one list get-together at the conferences. I'll 
gladly swap stories over beer with you.

I work at a multi-media music company with an online presence (that's a 
quote from marketing). The average age here is about 23. I *think* the CEO 
is older than me, but if he is, it's close.

My 'hood is NYC, born and raised in Queens, second-generation 
Russian-American Jew (although according to an Anthropology teacher I had in 
college, Jewish is an ethnic background in and of itself)


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Thanks, Ivan.
Most of us are probably from some 'hood.  Mine was the barrio of East L.A.
as a first generation Mexican-American.
The great equalizers are self-education, self-esteem and self-motivation.
When you are famous like Rachel or Steve Adams, we expect free autographs 
on
your books.

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I have to agree with Kevin, this thread is great. However it makes me feel
like I really am in the wrong profession, at the wrong time in the wrong
place :( .

In 1981 I was 5 years old and I've never really touched a computer until
about 3 years ago, let alone know any of the answers to any of those
questions.

You guys are great! I have learned so much from this list.  Not only the
technical stuff but learning about the IT and dba culture from you all is
invaluable!  I went to school for psych, so some of this old school talk
that us young ones would hear from college cis professors I unfortunately
never received, much less the knowledge of that curriculum.

I am speechless when I step back and look at this list and realize how
diverse this list really is.  I mean we have list members from so many 
parts
of the world and from so many different walks of life.  Who would have ever
thought that this young Puerto Rican punk from the 'hood would have 
anything
in common with you all?

I can see us all now at a bar after an oracle event, me in my baggy jeans,
timberland boots, Iceberg shirt, etc. enjoying beers with you all. Everyone
enjoying and sharing a common bond (dba, oracle) that brings us all
together.  Most of you all's peers wouldn't even look our way or have two
words for me and my friends in our natural environment. But I think I'd 
feel
just as comfortable around you all as I do at a block party in Bed-Stuy or
chilling with some of my friends in Liberty City, Miami.

All I can say the list is: I GIVE YOU ALL PROPS AND I GOT MAD LOVE FOR 
YALL!
(translation: I hold you all in high esteem and greatly admire and respect
you all). Thanks for everything. Ivan



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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Farnsworth, Dave


-Okay, who remembers Fractured Fairy Tales and the Professor and his
-boy Sherman?

On black and white TV!!  :(

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Okay, who remembers Fractured Fairy Tales and the Professor and his boy 
Sherman?


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And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is How many licks 
does
it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?

Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!

Dave

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And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is How many licks 
does
it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?

  I remember a turtle, BUT he spoke to Mr. Owl, and the answer was 3.
 
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Sherman, Edward


Mr. Peabody and Sherman?
Of course.

I was into Creepy Crawlers and Vac-U-Form back then but I'll bet you
were more into Incredible Edibles or Fun Flowers.

Cheers

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Okay, who remembers Fractured Fairy Tales and the Professor and his boy 
Sherman?


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And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is How many licks 
does
it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?

Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!

Dave

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it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?

  I remember a turtle, BUT he spoke to Mr. Owl, and the answer was 3.
 
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Steve . Parker



Oh, I remember reminiscing !

I was all set to become a vetinary surgeon when I met a Commodore Pet,
running rat trap
and was hooked. That was 25 years ago.

(sounds of sobbing and tears hitting the keyboard)

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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Kathy Duret


Yes!  Mr. Peabody, Boris and Natasha... who could forget them...

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Okay, who remembers Fractured Fairy Tales and the Professor and his boy 
Sherman?


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And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is How many licks 
does
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Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!

Dave

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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

heck, I did production work over a 300 baud modem -- the one where you had 
to dial in and then place the handset into the cups :)

and I thought it was the speediest thing ever

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One of those Compaqs was the first portable I took home from work 7 years
ago!  It sat in my basement until 3 years ago when I lugged it back - we
were moving and I didn't want to be responsible for it any more!  (Gosh, a
1200k modem?)

Same company that is *still* using PL/1 as it's mainframe programming
language and APL in the actuarial department.

Linda

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yeah, my father still try's to impress me with stories of punch cards and
such.  It's pretty funny.  The oldest computer I know of and still have is 
a
compaq portable computer.  It has the old 5 1/4 floppy drives and a
little tiny screen.  It's basically a suitcase, weighs about 40 pounds, the
bottom is the keyboard.  Kinda cool, I remember playing games on it as a 
kid
and thinking it was the most amazing thing.  Now it makes a good foot rest,
but that's about it:)
kk

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And just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.

Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and having to use
scotch tape to put them back together to run them through.  Or even the
older guys that talk about switch boards.  I am not as old as them.  My
computer days just go back to the mid 70's.

  I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a
  frickin clue
  what any of you are talking about:)
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread April Wells


my last company still used pdp-11s

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It was a magical box to a middle-aged me as well and looked much better than
my ugly metallic Kaypro.

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yeah, my father still try's to impress me with stories of punch cards and
such.  It's pretty funny.  The oldest computer I know of and still have is a
compaq portable computer.  It has the old 5 1/4 floppy drives and a
little tiny screen.  It's basically a suitcase, weighs about 40 pounds, the
bottom is the keyboard.  Kinda cool, I remember playing games on it as a kid
and thinking it was the most amazing thing.  Now it makes a good foot rest,
but that's about it:)
kk

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And just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.

Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and having to use
scotch tape to put them back together to run them through.  Or even the
older guys that talk about switch boards.  I am not as old as them.  My
computer days just go back to the mid 70's.


 I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

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And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is How many licks
does
it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?

Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!

Dave

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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Ivan_Rivera

Title: RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

I have to agree with Kevin, this thread is great. However it makes me feel like I really am in the wrong profession, at the wrong time in the wrong place :( .

In 1981 I was 5 years old and I've never really touched a computer until about 3 years ago, let alone know any of the answers to any of those questions.

You guys are great! I have learned so much from this list. Not only the technical stuff but learning about the IT and dba culture from you all is invaluable! I went to school for psych, so some of this old school talk that us young ones would hear from college cis professors I unfortunately never received, much less the knowledge of that curriculum.

I am speechless when I step back and look at this list and realize how diverse this list really is. I mean we have list members from so many parts of the world and from so many different walks of life. Who would have ever thought that this young Puerto Rican punk from the 'hood would have anything in common with you all?

I can see us all now at a bar after an oracle event, me in my baggy jeans, timberland boots, Iceberg shirt, etc. enjoying beers with you all. Everyone enjoying and sharing a common bond (dba, oracle) that brings us all together. Most of you all's peers wouldn't even look our way or have two words for me and my friends in our natural environment. But I think I'd feel just as comfortable around you all as I do at a block party in Bed-Stuy or chilling with some of my friends in Liberty City, Miami.

All I can say the list is: I GIVE YOU ALL PROPS AND I GOT MAD LOVE FOR YALL! (translation: I hold you all in high esteem and greatly admire and respect you all). Thanks for everything. Ivan

Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Ruth Gramolini


Now your getting to the good stuff!  Ruth
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 Sherman?


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 And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is How many licks
 does
 it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?
 
 Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
 Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!
 
 Dave
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:27 AM
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 And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is How many licks
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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Jared . Still




 Sort of like UNIX in that it was sparse on the vowels.

What are you talking about?

There's 2 of them right there in the name.

Jared  ;)





   
 
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In 1981 my oldest child was 2 and I was working on a very primitive RDBMS
at Boeing.

As a pre-teen I was making a crystal radio and wondering why anyone would
pay for batteries or electricity to power the radio when you could get all
the energy that you needed from the broadcast itself.

As a summer job in college I coded Computer Aided Instruction programs
written in Coursewriter II that ran on an IBM 70x (don't remember the last
digit) which had a magnetic core memory.  Output came back on IBM electric
typewriters that had been Rube Goldberged up as personal printers.

My 2nd IT job was as a computer operator on an IBM 360.  The boot sequence
was toggled in using switches on the front of the computer.  The IBM 370
had a 5 1/4 disk hard-wired that contained the boot sequence (circa 1977).

did a survey to find the most used micro computer in the business
environment.  Then they went out and built a whole suite of integrated
business products for that computer.  There was a spreadsheet (BoeingCalc),
a word processor, a mail program,a TTY terminal emulator, etc.  Cost
millions to develop.  Unfortunately, it was developed for the Terak, not
the IBM PC.  The Terak was a rack-mounted 8-bit microprocessor whose main
role was to control 6-axis milling machines.  Not much demand for an
integrated business suite there.

Hard sectored floppies had their tracks physically defined.  If I remember
right there were a series of small holes punched between each track so that
the head could align itself with the track.  Soft sectored floppies are
what we use today, where the media is continuous over the whole surface and
the track (and the inter track gap) are defined magnetically.  I do
remember the 8 floppies.  They made great frisbies.

APL is A Programming Language.  If I remember right it didn't allow
GOTOs.  It also had its own keyboard with its own character set.
Completely unintelligible to the uninitiated.

Was the turtle language based on LISP?

800 BPI or 1600 BPI tapes?  What's the blocking factor?  I forget what the
IEUtility was that I used for reading those standard (and non-standard)
labels, but once you figured out the block size and the blocking factor you
could dump the tape to an EPSDIC flat file and figure out the record
layout.  I saved many a boss's butt doing that in my early years.

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What was it

Dreezel...drazzle...drozzle...drone
Time for this one to come home!

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Okay, who remembers Fractured Fairy Tales and the Professor and his boy
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And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is How many licks
does
it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?

Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!

Dave

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nah, those were girl things.

punch ball outside, roller skates with two sets of wheels and a key to 
tighten the front clasp, climbing monkey bars

indoors it was books. Always books. I can't remember not reading


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Mr. Peabody and Sherman?
Of course.

I was into Creepy Crawlers and Vac-U-Form back then but I'll bet you
were more into Incredible Edibles or Fun Flowers.

Cheers

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Okay, who remembers Fractured Fairy Tales and the Professor and his boy
Sherman?


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 Very nice!!  I saw that all the time on my Saturdays watching Rocky and
 Bullwinkel, Tom and Jerry and my favorite, Bugs Bunny!!
 
 Dave
 
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2001-08-02 Thread Gogala, Mladen

With RSX and KED? May be some good, old VT100 and VT220? Oh, that makes me
nostalgic! 

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 my last company still used pdp-11s

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 It was a magical box to a middle-aged me as well and looked 
 much better than
 my ugly metallic Kaypro.

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 yeah, my father still try's to impress me with stories of 
 punch cards and
 such.  It's pretty funny.  The oldest computer I know of and 
 still have is a
 compaq portable computer.  It has the old 5 1/4 floppy 
 drives and a
 little tiny screen.  It's basically a suitcase, weighs about 
 40 pounds, the
 bottom is the keyboard.  Kinda cool, I remember playing games 
 on it as a kid
 and thinking it was the most amazing thing.  Now it makes a 
 good foot rest,
 but that's about it:)
 kk

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 And just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.

 Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and 
 having to use
 scotch tape to put them back together to run them through.  
 Or even the
 older guys that talk about switch boards.  I am not as old as 
 them.  My
 computer days just go back to the mid 70's.

  I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a
  frickin clue
  what any of you are talking about:)
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Norwood Bradly A

Title: RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff



Thanks, Ivan.
Most 
of us are probably from some 'hood. Mine was the barrio of East L.A. as a 
first generation Mexican-American.
The 
great equalizersare self-education, self-esteem and 
self-motivation.
When 
you are famous like Rachel or Steve Adams, we expect free autographs on your 
books.

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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT 
staff
I have to agree with Kevin, this thread is great. However it 
makes me feel like I really am in the wrong profession, at the wrong time in the 
wrong place :( . 
In 1981 I was 5 years old and I've never really touched a 
computer until about 3 years ago, let alone know any of the answers to any of 
those questions.
You guys are great! I have learned so much from this list. 
Not only the technical stuff but learning about the IT and dba culture from you 
all is invaluable! I went to school for psych, so some of this old school 
talk that us young ones would hear from college cis professors I unfortunately 
never received, much less the knowledge of that curriculum.
I am speechless when I step back and look at this list and 
realize how diverse this list really is. I mean we have list members from 
so many parts of the world and from so many different walks of life. Who 
would have ever thought that this young Puerto Rican punk from the 'hood would 
have anything in common with you all? 
I can see us all now at a bar after an oracle event, me in my 
baggy jeans, timberland boots, Iceberg shirt, etc. enjoying beers with you all. 
Everyone enjoying and sharing a common bond (dba, oracle) that brings us all 
together. Most of you all's peers wouldn't even look our way or have two 
words for me and my friends in our natural environment. But I think I'd feel 
just as comfortable around you all as I do at a block party in Bed-Stuy or 
chilling with some of my friends in Liberty City, Miami.
All I can say the list is: I GIVE YOU ALL PROPS AND I GOT MAD 
LOVE FOR YALL! (translation: I hold you all in high esteem and greatly admire 
and respect you all). Thanks for everything. Ivan

RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Deshpande, Kirti


Has anyone worked on IBM's punch card sorter? And IBM-1401 Mainframe? Talk
about un-breakable stuff. The 1401 cabinet had tumbled down 10 steps during
its move to the new computer room (we did not have lifts/elevators in the
building then). But came to life without any problems when it was hooked up
to 1402 and 1403 and those tape units (that you see in the Movies). Was
working fine till I left the company in 1983. The sorter was also working
great !!

- Kirti 

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 1981, I was a junior in college.  Oh what I would give to have a couple of
 weeks like I had then.  I think I skipped as many classes as I went to.  I
 had my first computer class the year before, there was nothing like punch
 card technology.  Just for fun we would get into someones stack and
 rearrange the cards.
 
 Dave
 
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 staff
 
 
 I guess I can no longer call myself an IT Professional as I cannot answer 
 most of those questions.
 
 and in 1981 I was divorcing my first husband
 
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 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:23:09 -0800
 
 Perhaps, to be an IT Professional, one should have a bit of background in
 the field.
 
 e.g. one should know what Heathkit was (not that A+ stuff) , and the
 Sinclair, not to mention a few other things:
 
 What famous character was used to first advertise the IBM PC?
 Was it possible to connect two screens to the original IBM PC? How?
 How many boot disks did computers require before 1982?
 How would you convert a 1-sided 5 ¼ diskette into a 2-sided one?
 How did the Commodore Pet make use of hard disk drives?  Floppy drives?
 
 What colour were the Verbatim 5 ¼ diskette pockets?
 
 What IBM PS/2 model was listed as having a 2.88M diskette drive?
 What version of Windows did OS/2 not support?  Why not?
 
 Did the first macintosh computer come with a handle?
 
 What is an MWave Windsurfer card?
 
 Which company could be argued started the certification fad in IT?
 
 Bonus points:  What figurines appear on PC Magazine Vol 1., Issue 1's 
 cover?
 (I notice PC Magazine has gone back to the thickness it had for issue 1, 
 vol
 1... heh heh I wonder what happened).
 
 Extremely important entertainment bonus question:  What cartridges came 
 with
 the Atari 2600 game system upon initial purchase?
 
 But I am dating myself.  Most of these have to do with PCs, forgive me I 
 was
 in grade 11 in 1981.
 
 Here another training school closed last year, GP - used to be SHL
 Learning
 Technologies, but they slowly died.  The instructors were good, but
 management... well GP no longer exists.  Hopefully the good training
 companies will survive.
 
 Regards,
 Patrice Boivin
 Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
 
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Re: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Steve . Parker



I thik LOGO was based on LISP.

Steve Parker
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2001,Pat Hildebrand scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:

-When I saw the question about boot disks I figured that the answer
-would be very dependent on the computer because I know there were
-computers at that time that didn't use disks. However, the computer
-that I got in 1981 required a boot disk.

i started programming on IBM 1440s and 360/20s.  on the 20 you had to dial
in
the IPL code to get it to read the first card.

-
-In fact that computer brings to mind a few other questions from that
-time. Before the introduction of the IBM PC, what was considered the
-operating system for business micro computers? What manufacturer made

CP/M [or is it CPM i've seen it written both ways.]


-What is the language that uses a turtle for teaching children about
-computers? What language was it based on?

LOGO but i don't remember what it's biased on.  bit rot.;-)


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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff


we called that 52 card pickup -- take deck, throw in air, run like the devil 
was after us.

I learned EARLY to draw intricate designs on the top of the deck so as to 
make putting it back together simpler.

When projects were due, I'd cut every class but the computer ones, and stay 
in the computer center until midnight,when they closed. Oh the good old 
days!


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Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 02:26:10 -0800

1981, I was a junior in college.  Oh what I would give to have a couple of
weeks like I had then.  I think I skipped as many classes as I went to.  I
had my first computer class the year before, there was nothing like punch
card technology.  Just for fun we would get into someones stack and
rearrange the cards.

Dave

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I guess I can no longer call myself an IT Professional as I cannot answer
most of those questions.

and in 1981 I was divorcing my first husband

 From: Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:23:09 -0800
 
 Perhaps, to be an IT Professional, one should have a bit of background in
 the field.
 
 e.g. one should know what Heathkit was (not that A+ stuff) , and the
 Sinclair, not to mention a few other things:
 
 What famous character was used to first advertise the IBM PC?
 Was it possible to connect two screens to the original IBM PC? How?
 How many boot disks did computers require before 1982?
 How would you convert a 1-sided 5 ¼ diskette into a 2-sided one?
 How did the Commodore Pet make use of hard disk drives?  Floppy drives?
 
 What colour were the Verbatim 5 ¼ diskette pockets?
 
 What IBM PS/2 model was listed as having a 2.88M diskette drive?
 What version of Windows did OS/2 not support?  Why not?
 
 Did the first macintosh computer come with a handle?
 
 What is an MWave Windsurfer card?
 
 Which company could be argued started the certification fad in IT?
 
 Bonus points:  What figurines appear on PC Magazine Vol 1., Issue 1's
 cover?
 (I notice PC Magazine has gone back to the thickness it had for issue 1,
 vol
 1... heh heh I wonder what happened).
 
 Extremely important entertainment bonus question:  What cartridges came
 with
 the Atari 2600 game system upon initial purchase?
 
 But I am dating myself.  Most of these have to do with PCs, forgive me I
 was
 in grade 11 in 1981.
 
 Here another training school closed last year, GP - used to be SHL 
Learning
 Technologies, but they slowly died.  The instructors were good, but
 management... well GP no longer exists.  Hopefully the good training
 companies will survive.
 
 Regards,
 Patrice Boivin
 Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
 
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RE: OT -- suggestions to ensure nerdiness in potential IT staff

2001-08-02 Thread Page, Bruce


And the question (still yet to be properly answered) is How many licks does it take 
to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?

 I remember a turtle, BUT he spoke to Mr. Owl, and the answer was 3.
 
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2001-08-02 Thread Page, Bruce


And just think about the PC being an advanced system for some of us.

Wait until we again start talking about using paper tapes and having to use scotch 
tape to put them back together to run them through.  Or even the older guys that talk 
about switch boards.  I am not as old as them.  My computer days just go back to the 
mid 70's.


 I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a 
 frickin clue
 what any of you are talking about:)
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On Thu, 2 Aug 2001,Boivin, Patrice J scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:

-Was CP/M the OS that Bill Gates bought just before making his big deal with
-IBM?  Can't remember.
-
-Regards,
-Patrice Boivin
-Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
-
-  -Original Message-
-  CP/M [or is it CPM i've seen it written both ways.]
-
-
AFAIK, no.  it was an OS from a small local company called QDOS [Quick and
Dirty Operating System] if i'm not suffering from too much bit rot.

CP/M was the other OS in contention.

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2001-08-02 Thread Pat Hildebrand



 
 On Thu, 2 Aug 2001,Boivin, Patrice J scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
 
 -Was CP/M the OS that Bill Gates bought just before making his big deal with
 -IBM?  Can't remember.
 -
 -Regards,
 -Patrice Boivin
 -Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
 -
 --Original Message-
 -CP/M [or is it CPM i've seen it written both ways.]
 -
 -
 AFAIK, no.  it was an OS from a small local company called QDOS [Quick and
 Dirty Operating System] if i'm not suffering from too much bit rot.
 
 CP/M was the other OS in contention.
 

And the DEC rainbow shipped with both DOS and CP/M.


  Pat
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2001,Pat Hildebrand scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:

-When I saw the question about boot disks I figured that the answer
-would be very dependent on the computer because I know there were
-computers at that time that didn't use disks. However, the computer
-that I got in 1981 required a boot disk.

i started programming on IBM 1440s and 360/20s.  on the 20 you had to dial in
the IPL code to get it to read the first card.

-
-In fact that computer brings to mind a few other questions from that
-time. Before the introduction of the IBM PC, what was considered the
-operating system for business micro computers? What manufacturer made

CP/M [or is it CPM i've seen it written both ways.]


-What is the language that uses a turtle for teaching children about
-computers? What language was it based on?

LOGO but i don't remember what it's biased on.  bit rot.;-)


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I love this stuff(being a nerd wannabe), but I don't have a frickin clue
what any of you are talking about:)
KK

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2001-08-02 Thread Boivin, Patrice J


Was CP/M the OS that Bill Gates bought just before making his big deal with
IBM?  Can't remember.

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)

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CP/M [or is it CPM i've seen it written both ways.]

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