Oracle 7.3.4 Real-Time Re-indexing - Additional Information

2003-01-13 Thread Conrad Meertins

Sorry, I forgot this additional infromation...

Oracle created invalid objects when we ran rebuild.  The odd thing was that
the trace file showed an invalid object but the all_objects table showed a
valid object.



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Team,

I have a Oracle 7.3.4 database on a AIX box that is in Archive Log Mode.
While the users were on the system, we Re-Indexed our tables.
Situation: The users complained, that they were unable to process their
orders.
Although, the log file showed that the re-indexing was successful, the users
were still unable to process their orders.


QUESTION: Are they any known issues/pit-falls when re-indexing real-time in
version 7.x?

Should you have the database in exclusive mode when re-indexing?

Please assist.

Thanks

Conrad Meertins

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RE: Oracle 7.3.4 Real-Time Re-indexing - Additional Information

2003-01-13 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Conrad - What command did you use to re-index? Drop index / create index?

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Sorry, I forgot this additional infromation...

Oracle created invalid objects when we ran rebuild.  The odd thing was that
the trace file showed an invalid object but the all_objects table showed a
valid object.



-Original Message-
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Team,

I have a Oracle 7.3.4 database on a AIX box that is in Archive Log Mode.
While the users were on the system, we Re-Indexed our tables.
Situation: The users complained, that they were unable to process their
orders.
Although, the log file showed that the re-indexing was successful, the users
were still unable to process their orders.


QUESTION: Are they any known issues/pit-falls when re-indexing real-time in
version 7.x?

Should you have the database in exclusive mode when re-indexing?

Please assist.

Thanks

Conrad Meertins

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RE: Oracle 7.3.4 Real-Time Re-indexing - Additional Information

2003-01-13 Thread Conrad Meertins
ALTER ...REBUILD..

Thanks

COnrad..


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Conrad - What command did you use to re-index? Drop index / create index?

Dennis Williams
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Sorry, I forgot this additional infromation...

Oracle created invalid objects when we ran rebuild.  The odd thing was that
the trace file showed an invalid object but the all_objects table showed a
valid object.



-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 9:39 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Team,

I have a Oracle 7.3.4 database on a AIX box that is in Archive Log Mode.
While the users were on the system, we Re-Indexed our tables.
Situation: The users complained, that they were unable to process their
orders.
Although, the log file showed that the re-indexing was successful, the users
were still unable to process their orders.


QUESTION: Are they any known issues/pit-falls when re-indexing real-time in
version 7.x?

Should you have the database in exclusive mode when re-indexing?

Please assist.

Thanks

Conrad Meertins

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RE: Oracle 7.3.4 Real-Time Re-indexing - Additional Information

2003-01-13 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Conrad - I haven't used 7.3.4 in quite some time, so my knowledge is a
little rusty. If you search METALINK, you will find quite a few issues with
this command on various Oracle versions. I believe that the basic principle
is the same - Oracle builds a new index in the background, syncs up any
table changes that have been made since the index build began, then switches
which index is being used for queries. I think I heard somewhere that the
locking/syncing mechanism has been improved in more recent Oracle versions.
Perhaps someone else on the list has some specific knowledge. The database
doesn't need to be in exclusive mode, but common sense would be to avoid
rebuilding when the table is being heavily modified. Once you complete, you
can ANALYZE INDEX VALIDATE STRUCTURE just to be sure you don't have any
problems.

Dennis Williams
DBA, 40%OCP
Lifetouch, Inc.
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ALTER ...REBUILD..

Thanks

COnrad..


-Original Message-
WILLIAMS
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 10:19 AM
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Conrad - What command did you use to re-index? Drop index / create index?

Dennis Williams
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-Original Message-
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Sorry, I forgot this additional infromation...

Oracle created invalid objects when we ran rebuild.  The odd thing was that
the trace file showed an invalid object but the all_objects table showed a
valid object.



-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 9:39 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Team,

I have a Oracle 7.3.4 database on a AIX box that is in Archive Log Mode.
While the users were on the system, we Re-Indexed our tables.
Situation: The users complained, that they were unable to process their
orders.
Although, the log file showed that the re-indexing was successful, the users
were still unable to process their orders.


QUESTION: Are they any known issues/pit-falls when re-indexing real-time in
version 7.x?

Should you have the database in exclusive mode when re-indexing?

Please assist.

Thanks

Conrad Meertins

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Re: Oracle 7.3.4 Real-Time Re-indexing - Additional Information

2003-01-13 Thread Jared Still

Though I'm not sure, I *believe* that in 7.3 indexes must
be taken offline during a rebuild.

That being the case, your users queries would not have
executed properly.  i.e.  FTS would take place for queries
that normally used indexed access.

Jared

On Monday 13 January 2003 08:14, Conrad Meertins wrote:
> ALTER ...REBUILD..
>
> Thanks
>
> COnrad..
>
>
> -Original Message-
> WILLIAMS
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 10:19 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Conrad - What command did you use to re-index? Drop index / create index?
>
> Dennis Williams
> DBA, 40%OCP
> Lifetouch, Inc.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 8:44 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>
> Sorry, I forgot this additional infromation...
>
> Oracle created invalid objects when we ran rebuild.  The odd thing was that
> the trace file showed an invalid object but the all_objects table showed a
> valid object.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 9:39 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> Team,
>
> I have a Oracle 7.3.4 database on a AIX box that is in Archive Log Mode.
> While the users were on the system, we Re-Indexed our tables.
> Situation: The users complained, that they were unable to process their
> orders.
> Although, the log file showed that the re-indexing was successful, the
> users were still unable to process their orders.
>
>
> QUESTION: Are they any known issues/pit-falls when re-indexing real-time in
> version 7.x?
>
> Should you have the database in exclusive mode when re-indexing?
>
> Please assist.
>
> Thanks
>
> Conrad Meertins
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> DBA Masters
>
>
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RE: Oracle 7.3.4 Real-Time Re-indexing - Additional Information

2003-01-13 Thread M Rafiq
Dennis,

Here/ in this senario '
'ANALYZE INDEX VALIDATE STRUCTURE' will not help or reveal anything except 
to anlyze table with cascade structure which will reveal any index 
corruption relating to that table. There was a bug in 7.3.4.3 where index 
rebuilding with parallel clause was resulting in corrupt indexes with 
multiple keys. Indexes with single index key were ok...

I think it should be the problem

Regards
Rafiq








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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:29:04 -0800

Conrad - I haven't used 7.3.4 in quite some time, so my knowledge is a
little rusty. If you search METALINK, you will find quite a few issues with
this command on various Oracle versions. I believe that the basic principle
is the same - Oracle builds a new index in the background, syncs up any
table changes that have been made since the index build began, then switches
which index is being used for queries. I think I heard somewhere that the
locking/syncing mechanism has been improved in more recent Oracle versions.
Perhaps someone else on the list has some specific knowledge. The database
doesn't need to be in exclusive mode, but common sense would be to avoid
rebuilding when the table is being heavily modified. Once you complete, you
can ANALYZE INDEX VALIDATE STRUCTURE just to be sure you don't have any
problems.

Dennis Williams
DBA, 40%OCP
Lifetouch, Inc.
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ALTER ...REBUILD..

Thanks

COnrad..


-Original Message-
WILLIAMS
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 10:19 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Conrad - What command did you use to re-index? Drop index / create index?

Dennis Williams
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-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 8:44 AM
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Sorry, I forgot this additional infromation...

Oracle created invalid objects when we ran rebuild.  The odd thing was that
the trace file showed an invalid object but the all_objects table showed a
valid object.



-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 9:39 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Team,

I have a Oracle 7.3.4 database on a AIX box that is in Archive Log Mode.
While the users were on the system, we Re-Indexed our tables.
Situation: The users complained, that they were unable to process their
orders.
Although, the log file showed that the re-indexing was successful, the users
were still unable to process their orders.


QUESTION: Are they any known issues/pit-falls when re-indexing real-time in
version 7.x?

Should you have the database in exclusive mode when re-indexing?

Please assist.

Thanks

Conrad Meertins

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RE: Oracle 7.3.4 Real-Time Re-indexing - Additional Information

2003-01-13 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Thanks Rafiq. As I said, my 7.3.4 knowledge is too old by now (but man, was
that a great version). 

Dennis Williams
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Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 1:22 PM
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Dennis,

Here/ in this senario '
'ANALYZE INDEX VALIDATE STRUCTURE' will not help or reveal anything except 
to anlyze table with cascade structure which will reveal any index 
corruption relating to that table. There was a bug in 7.3.4.3 where index 
rebuilding with parallel clause was resulting in corrupt indexes with 
multiple keys. Indexes with single index key were ok...

I think it should be the problem

Regards
Rafiq








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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:29:04 -0800

Conrad - I haven't used 7.3.4 in quite some time, so my knowledge is a
little rusty. If you search METALINK, you will find quite a few issues with
this command on various Oracle versions. I believe that the basic principle
is the same - Oracle builds a new index in the background, syncs up any
table changes that have been made since the index build began, then switches
which index is being used for queries. I think I heard somewhere that the
locking/syncing mechanism has been improved in more recent Oracle versions.
Perhaps someone else on the list has some specific knowledge. The database
doesn't need to be in exclusive mode, but common sense would be to avoid
rebuilding when the table is being heavily modified. Once you complete, you
can ANALYZE INDEX VALIDATE STRUCTURE just to be sure you don't have any
problems.

Dennis Williams
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Lifetouch, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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ALTER ...REBUILD..

Thanks

COnrad..


-Original Message-
WILLIAMS
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 10:19 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Conrad - What command did you use to re-index? Drop index / create index?

Dennis Williams
DBA, 40%OCP
Lifetouch, Inc.
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-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 8:44 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



Sorry, I forgot this additional infromation...

Oracle created invalid objects when we ran rebuild.  The odd thing was that
the trace file showed an invalid object but the all_objects table showed a
valid object.



-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 9:39 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Team,

I have a Oracle 7.3.4 database on a AIX box that is in Archive Log Mode.
While the users were on the system, we Re-Indexed our tables.
Situation: The users complained, that they were unable to process their
orders.
Although, the log file showed that the re-indexing was successful, the users
were still unable to process their orders.


QUESTION: Are they any known issues/pit-falls when re-indexing real-time in
version 7.x?

Should you have the database in exclusive mode when re-indexing?

Please assist.

Thanks

Conrad Meertins

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: Oracle 7.3.4 Real-Time Re-indexing - Additional Information

2003-01-13 Thread M Rafiq
Yes, it is as of today...We are still having 7.3.4.5 for our Oracle 
Financials 10.7 Application. This may be the last year for this version...


Regards
Rafiq








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Thanks Rafiq. As I said, my 7.3.4 knowledge is too old by now (but man, was
that a great version).

Dennis Williams
DBA, 40%OCP
Lifetouch, Inc.
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Dennis,

Here/ in this senario '
'ANALYZE INDEX VALIDATE STRUCTURE' will not help or reveal anything except
to anlyze table with cascade structure which will reveal any index
corruption relating to that table. There was a bug in 7.3.4.3 where index
rebuilding with parallel clause was resulting in corrupt indexes with
multiple keys. Indexes with single index key were ok...

I think it should be the problem

Regards
Rafiq








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Conrad - I haven't used 7.3.4 in quite some time, so my knowledge is a
little rusty. If you search METALINK, you will find quite a few issues with
this command on various Oracle versions. I believe that the basic principle
is the same - Oracle builds a new index in the background, syncs up any
table changes that have been made since the index build began, then switches
which index is being used for queries. I think I heard somewhere that the
locking/syncing mechanism has been improved in more recent Oracle versions.
Perhaps someone else on the list has some specific knowledge. The database
doesn't need to be in exclusive mode, but common sense would be to avoid
rebuilding when the table is being heavily modified. Once you complete, you
can ANALYZE INDEX VALIDATE STRUCTURE just to be sure you don't have any
problems.

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ALTER ...REBUILD..

Thanks

COnrad..


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Conrad - What command did you use to re-index? Drop index / create index?

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Sorry, I forgot this additional infromation...

Oracle created invalid objects when we ran rebuild.  The odd thing was that
the trace file showed an invalid object but the all_objects table showed a
valid object.



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Team,

I have a Oracle 7.3.4 database on a AIX box that is in Archive Log Mode.
While the users were on the system, we Re-Indexed our tables.
Situation: The users complained, that they were unable to process their
orders.
Although, the log file showed that the re-indexing was successful, the users
were still unable to process their orders.


QUESTION: Are they any known issues/pit-falls when re-indexing real-time in
version 7.x?

Should you have the database in exclusive mode when re-indexing?

Please assist.

Thanks

Conrad Meertins

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Re: Oracle 7.3.4 Real-Time Re-indexing - Additional Information

2003-01-13 Thread Nikunj Gupta

Were you analyzing while rebuilding Indexes ?

If that is the case.. there are chances of possible corruption.

Try to give
select count(*) from table_name;

and

select * from table_name;

Hope this may provide you with some answer.

HTH
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>
> Sorry, I forgot this additional infromation...
>
> Oracle created invalid objects when we ran rebuild.  The odd thing was
that
> the trace file showed an invalid object but the all_objects table showed a
> valid object.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 9:39 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> Team,
>
> I have a Oracle 7.3.4 database on a AIX box that is in Archive Log Mode.
> While the users were on the system, we Re-Indexed our tables.
> Situation: The users complained, that they were unable to process their
> orders.
> Although, the log file showed that the re-indexing was successful, the
users
> were still unable to process their orders.
>
>
> QUESTION: Are they any known issues/pit-falls when re-indexing real-time
in
> version 7.x?
>
> Should you have the database in exclusive mode when re-indexing?
>
> Please assist.
>
> Thanks
>
> Conrad Meertins
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> DBA Masters
>
>
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