RE: Oracle Hungry for Money
Yesterday Oracle announced they will not meet their target for the quarter. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 4:21 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: Oracle Hungry for Money Scott Canaan wrote: Actually, what I meant by saying that I was tricked was this: Last fall, we started to implement a data warehouse. I checked licensing for 9iDs and was told that we have 9. This seemed to me to be no problem. Apparently, when you call to inquire about such things, your sales rep is notified. He contacted me within a week to say that, although we have 9 9iDs licenses, they were migrated licenses from previous products that are now bundled there. Oracle Warehouse Builder was not included, but we could buy those licenses for $5000 each. We bought 3. He then proceeded to tell me about these wonderful features of Oracle 8i and 9i that would help with the data warehouse. The one that he pushed the most was Partitioning, even sending me white papers and inviting me to web-casts about it. I didn't need either, this is not a tough concept. He NEVER mentioned that it was an additional cost item. He called me yesterday, 2 weeks after the data warehouse was supposed to go live, to find out how everything went. Or so he said. He jumped right into whether we had used partitioning like he suggested. When I told him yes, he came back with You know that's not a free option, and you're license doesn't cover it. He had already looked up our licensing prior to the call and was obviously certain that he'd catch us using the option without paying for it. I told him that the option is available on install, and you don't even have to pick it specifically. His answer was that that didn't mean we could just use it. That's what I meant when I said I felt I was tricked. Scott, I suggest you inadvertently leak to the salesrep or, better, his boss, that your management is extremely cross with this story and that you are probably going to be very busy soon evaluating DB2. -- Regards, Stephane Faroult Oriole Ltd -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Stephane Faroult INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Hungry for Money
They may not meet their sales target, but they are still making money. They try to make you think they are starving if they don't meet their funny numbers. Rodd On Fri, 2002-03-15 at 06:08, Boivin, Patrice J wrote: Yesterday Oracle announced they will not meet their target for the quarter. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services | Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Oracle Hungry for Money
And Jay Leno's poor because he's only making $17 million, while Dave Letterman's making $31.5 M. Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 6:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yesterday Oracle announced they will not meet their target for the quarter. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle Hungry for Money
Actually, what I meant by saying that I was tricked was this: Last fall, we started to implement a data warehouse. I checked licensing for 9iDs and was told that we have 9. This seemed to me to be no problem. Apparently, when you call to inquire about such things, your sales rep is notified. He contacted me within a week to say that, although we have 9 9iDs licenses, they were migrated licenses from previous products that are now bundled there. Oracle Warehouse Builder was not included, but we could buy those licenses for $5000 each. We bought 3. He then proceeded to tell me about these wonderful features of Oracle 8i and 9i that would help with the data warehouse. The one that he pushed the most was Partitioning, even sending me white papers and inviting me to web-casts about it. I didn't need either, this is not a tough concept. He NEVER mentioned that it was an additional cost item. He called me yesterday, 2 weeks after the data warehouse was supposed to go live, to find out how everything went. Or so he said. He jumped right into whether we had used partitioning like he suggested. When I told him yes, he came back with You know that's not a free option, and you're license doesn't cover it. He had already looked up our licensing prior to the call and was obviously certain that he'd catch us using the option without paying for it. I told him that the option is available on install, and you don't even have to pick it specifically. His answer was that that didn't mean we could just use it. That's what I meant when I said I felt I was tricked. MacGregor, Ian A. wrote: Well stated. However, unlike you I cannot read minds, and cannot say whether the default install model has such a sinister purpose. Some versions of Oracle's installer have been so buggy that I can only conclude their purpose was to convince you to use another database. If what you state as the only defensible reason is true, wouldn't Oracle be marshalling a vast army of auditors to collect from the unwitting companies. The person did not complain that he was fooled into installing the product, but tricked into admitting he had installed it. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 1:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For some reason there has been a great confusion... I believe that's exactly the point. Oracle installed this extra-cost option by default, for no other defensible reason then to encourage its unwitting use. There's a reason there has been confusion. They're like a drug pusher, first one's easy but once you're hooked you PAY. And unless you know where to look its not so easy to find info on Metalink for what are the options for each DB version. I don't know what the original meaning was behind 'feeling tricked', but I guarantee you there are some on this list who've just realized they've been tricked into using an expensive add-on product they may not be able to back out of at this point. Jim -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L While I agree Oracle is avaricious and sales reps are a smarmy lot, I don't see any entrapment here. If you believe you are licensed for an option and you are not, it is perfectly legitimate for Oracle to ask for you to pay for that license and any maintenance costs. $23,800 is cheap, must be a 20 named user license. They are not asking for payment for all the years it had been illegally installed? Consider yourself very lucky and Oracle anything but greedy. Feeling tricked implies that had you known that you were not licensed, you would not have divulged it to Oracle. If so, you are lower than a smoldering heap of parrot droppings. However, as it was indeed an innocent mistake and no such characterization is necessary. For some reason there has been a great confusion over whether the partitioning option costs extra. Even some of the most knowledgeable DBA's in the world were mistaken on this. The height of this misunderstanding was a two to three years ago. I expect there were hundreds perhaps thousands of sites who have installed partitioning without a license because they believed it to be free. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Conboy, Jim INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to
RE: Oracle Hungry for Money
Can you remind me if Oracle partitioning is a seperate option in the installer or melted in the server code? I think if it's part of the server install, they can not ask custmers to pay for it. -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 3/14/02 7:28 AM Actually, what I meant by saying that I was tricked was this: Last fall, we started to implement a data warehouse. I checked licensing for 9iDs and was told that we have 9. This seemed to me to be no problem. Apparently, when you call to inquire about such things, your sales rep is notified. He contacted me within a week to say that, although we have 9 9iDs licenses, they were migrated licenses from previous products that are now bundled there. Oracle Warehouse Builder was not included, but we could buy those licenses for $5000 each. We bought 3. He then proceeded to tell me about these wonderful features of Oracle 8i and 9i that would help with the data warehouse. The one that he pushed the most was Partitioning, even sending me white papers and inviting me to web-casts about it. I didn't need either, this is not a tough concept. He NEVER mentioned that it was an additional cost item. He called me yesterday, 2 weeks after the data warehouse was supposed to go live, to find out how everything went. Or so he said. He jumped right into whether we had used partitioning like he suggested. When I told him yes, he came back with You know that's not a free option, and you're license doesn't cover it. He had already looked up our licensing prior to the call and was obviously certain that he'd catch us using the option without paying for it. I told him that the option is available on install, and you don't even have to pick it specifically. His answer was that that didn't mean we could just use it. That's what I meant when I said I felt I was tricked. MacGregor, Ian A. wrote: Well stated. However, unlike you I cannot read minds, and cannot say whether the default install model has such a sinister purpose. Some versions of Oracle's installer have been so buggy that I can only conclude their purpose was to convince you to use another database. If what you state as the only defensible reason is true, wouldn't Oracle be marshalling a vast army of auditors to collect from the unwitting companies. The person did not complain that he was fooled into installing the product, but tricked into admitting he had installed it. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 1:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For some reason there has been a great confusion... I believe that's exactly the point. Oracle installed this extra-cost option by default, for no other defensible reason then to encourage its unwitting use. There's a reason there has been confusion. They're like a drug pusher, first one's easy but once you're hooked you PAY. And unless you know where to look its not so easy to find info on Metalink for what are the options for each DB version. I don't know what the original meaning was behind 'feeling tricked', but I guarantee you there are some on this list who've just realized they've been tricked into using an expensive add-on product they may not be able to back out of at this point. Jim -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L While I agree Oracle is avaricious and sales reps are a smarmy lot, I don't see any entrapment here. If you believe you are licensed for an option and you are not, it is perfectly legitimate for Oracle to ask for you to pay for that license and any maintenance costs. $23,800 is cheap, must be a 20 named user license. They are not asking for payment for all the years it had been illegally installed? Consider yourself very lucky and Oracle anything but greedy. Feeling tricked implies that had you known that you were not licensed, you would not have divulged it to Oracle. If so, you are lower than a smoldering heap of parrot droppings. However, as it was indeed an innocent mistake and no such characterization is necessary. For some reason there has been a great confusion over whether the partitioning option costs extra. Even some of the most knowledgeable DBA's in the world were mistaken on this. The height of this misunderstanding was a two to three years ago. I expect there were hundreds perhaps thousands of sites who have installed partitioning without a license because they believed it to be free. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Conboy, Jim INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists
RE: Oracle Hungry for Money
Partitioning is a separately license product in which the customer has to pay for N number of licenses. Rick Khedr, Waleed To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Waleed.Khedrcc: @FMR.COMSubject: RE: Oracle Hungry for Money Sent by: root@fatcity. com 03/14/2002 09:08 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L Can you remind me if Oracle partitioning is a seperate option in the installer or melted in the server code? I think if it's part of the server install, they can not ask custmers to pay for it. -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 3/14/02 7:28 AM Actually, what I meant by saying that I was tricked was this: Last fall, we started to implement a data warehouse. I checked licensing for 9iDs and was told that we have 9. This seemed to me to be no problem. Apparently, when you call to inquire about such things, your sales rep is notified. He contacted me within a week to say that, although we have 9 9iDs licenses, they were migrated licenses from previous products that are now bundled there. Oracle Warehouse Builder was not included, but we could buy those licenses for $5000 each. We bought 3. He then proceeded to tell me about these wonderful features of Oracle 8i and 9i that would help with the data warehouse. The one that he pushed the most was Partitioning, even sending me white papers and inviting me to web-casts about it. I didn't need either, this is not a tough concept. He NEVER mentioned that it was an additional cost item. He called me yesterday, 2 weeks after the data warehouse was supposed to go live, to find out how everything went. Or so he said. He jumped right into whether we had used partitioning like he suggested. When I told him yes, he came back with You know that's not a free option, and you're license doesn't cover it. He had already looked up our licensing prior to the call and was obviously certain that he'd catch us using the option without paying for it. I told him that the option is available on install, and you don't even have to pick it specifically. His answer was that that didn't mean we could just use it. That's what I meant when I said I felt I was tricked. MacGregor, Ian A. wrote: Well stated. However, unlike you I cannot read minds, and cannot say whether the default install model has such a sinister purpose. Some versions of Oracle's installer have been so buggy that I can only conclude their purpose was to convince you to use another database. If what you state as the only defensible reason is true, wouldn't Oracle be marshalling a vast army of auditors to collect from the unwitting companies. The person did not complain that he was fooled into installing the product, but tricked into admitting he had installed it. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 1:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For some reason there has been a great confusion... I believe that's exactly the point. Oracle installed this extra-cost option by default, for no other defensible reason then to encourage its unwitting use. There's a reason there has been confusion
RE: Oracle Hungry for Money
Title: RE: Oracle Hungry for Money separate option. you can choose not to install it from OUI. -Original Message- From: Khedr, Waleed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 9:08 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle Hungry for Money Can you remind me if Oracle partitioning is a seperate option in the installer or melted in the server code? I think if it's part of the server install, they can not ask custmers to pay for it. -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 3/14/02 7:28 AM Actually, what I meant by saying that I was tricked was this: Last fall, we started to implement a data warehouse. I checked licensing for 9iDs and was told that we have 9. This seemed to me to be no problem. Apparently, when you call to inquire about such things, your sales rep is notified. He contacted me within a week to say that, although we have 9 9iDs licenses, they were migrated licenses from previous products that are now bundled there. Oracle Warehouse Builder was not included, but we could buy those licenses for $5000 each. We bought 3. He then proceeded to tell me about these wonderful features of Oracle 8i and 9i that would help with the data warehouse. The one that he pushed the most was Partitioning, even sending me white papers and inviting me to web-casts about it. I didn't need either, this is not a tough concept. He NEVER mentioned that it was an additional cost item. He called me yesterday, 2 weeks after the data warehouse was supposed to go live, to find out how everything went. Or so he said. He jumped right into whether we had used partitioning like he suggested. When I told him yes, he came back with You know that's not a free option, and you're license doesn't cover it. He had already looked up our licensing prior to the call and was obviously certain that he'd catch us using the option without paying for it. I told him that the option is available on install, and you don't even have to pick it specifically. His answer was that that didn't mean we could just use it. That's what I meant when I said I felt I was tricked. MacGregor, Ian A. wrote: Well stated. However, unlike you I cannot read minds, and cannot say whether the default install model has such a sinister purpose. Some versions of Oracle's installer have been so buggy that I can only conclude their purpose was to convince you to use another database. If what you state as the only defensible reason is true, wouldn't Oracle be marshalling a vast army of auditors to collect from the unwitting companies. The person did not complain that he was fooled into installing the product, but tricked into admitting he had installed it. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 1:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For some reason there has been a great confusion... I believe that's exactly the point. Oracle installed this extra-cost option by default, for no other defensible reason then to encourage its unwitting use. There's a reason there has been confusion. They're like a drug pusher, first one's easy but once you're hooked you PAY. And unless you know where to look its not so easy to find info on Metalink for what are the options for each DB version. I don't know what the original meaning was behind 'feeling tricked', but I guarantee you there are some on this list who've just realized they've been tricked into using an expensive add-on product they may not be able to back out of at this point. Jim -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L While I agree Oracle is avaricious and sales reps are a smarmy lot, I don't see any entrapment here. If you believe you are licensed for an option and you are not, it is perfectly legitimate for Oracle to ask for you to pay for that license and any maintenance costs. $23,800 is cheap, must be a 20 named user license. They are not asking for payment for all the years it had been illegally installed? Consider yourself very lucky and Oracle anything but greedy. Feeling tricked implies that had you known that you were not licensed, you would not have divulged it to Oracle. If so, you are lower than a smoldering heap of parrot droppings. However, as it was indeed an innocent mistake and no such characterization is necessary. For some reason there has been a great confusion over whether the partitioning option costs extra. Even some of the most knowledgeable DBA's in the world were mistaken on this. The height of this misunderstanding was a two to three years ago. I expect there were hundreds perhaps thousands of sites who have installed partitioning without a license because they believed it to be free. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L
RE: Oracle Hungry for Money
I think you answered different question! -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Partitioning is a separately license product in which the customer has to pay for N number of licenses. Rick Khedr, Waleed To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Waleed.Khedrcc: @FMR.COMSubject: RE: Oracle Hungry for Money Sent by: root@fatcity. com 03/14/2002 09:08 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L Can you remind me if Oracle partitioning is a seperate option in the installer or melted in the server code? I think if it's part of the server install, they can not ask custmers to pay for it. -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 3/14/02 7:28 AM Actually, what I meant by saying that I was tricked was this: Last fall, we started to implement a data warehouse. I checked licensing for 9iDs and was told that we have 9. This seemed to me to be no problem. Apparently, when you call to inquire about such things, your sales rep is notified. He contacted me within a week to say that, although we have 9 9iDs licenses, they were migrated licenses from previous products that are now bundled there. Oracle Warehouse Builder was not included, but we could buy those licenses for $5000 each. We bought 3. He then proceeded to tell me about these wonderful features of Oracle 8i and 9i that would help with the data warehouse. The one that he pushed the most was Partitioning, even sending me white papers and inviting me to web-casts about it. I didn't need either, this is not a tough concept. He NEVER mentioned that it was an additional cost item. He called me yesterday, 2 weeks after the data warehouse was supposed to go live, to find out how everything went. Or so he said. He jumped right into whether we had used partitioning like he suggested. When I told him yes, he came back with You know that's not a free option, and you're license doesn't cover it. He had already looked up our licensing prior to the call and was obviously certain that he'd catch us using the option without paying for it. I told him that the option is available on install, and you don't even have to pick it specifically. His answer was that that didn't mean we could just use it. That's what I meant when I said I felt I was tricked. MacGregor, Ian A. wrote: Well stated. However, unlike you I cannot read minds, and cannot say whether the default install model has such a sinister purpose. Some versions of Oracle's installer have been so buggy that I can only conclude their purpose was to convince you to use another database. If what you state as the only defensible reason is true, wouldn't Oracle be marshalling a vast army of auditors to collect from the unwitting companies. The person did not complain that he was fooled into installing the product, but tricked into admitting he had installed it. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 1:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For some reason there has been a great confusion... I believe that's exactly the point. Oracle installed this extra-cost option by default, for no other defensible reason then to encourage its unwitting use. There's a reason there has been confusion. They're like a drug pusher, first one's easy but once you're hooked you PAY. And unless you know where to look its not so easy to find info on Metalink for what are the options for each DB version. I don't know what the original meaning was behind 'feeling tricked', but I guarantee you there are some on this list who've just realized they've been tricked into using an expensive add-on product they may not be able to back out of at this point. Jim -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L While I agree Oracle is avaricious and sales reps are a smarmy lot, I don't see any entrapment here. If you believe you are licensed for an option and you are not, it is perfectly legitimate for Oracle to ask for you to pay for that license and any maintenance costs. $23,800 is cheap, must be a 20 named user license. They are not asking for payment for all the years it had been illegally installed? Consider yourself very lucky and Oracle anything but greedy. Feeling tricked implies that had you known that you were not licensed, you would not have divulged it to Oracle. If so, you are lower than a smoldering heap of parrot droppings. However, as it was indeed an innocent
RE: Oracle Hungry for Money
It's a separate option on the install... But, it's checked by default... You have to uncheck it if you do not want it installed... Tim -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 9:08 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Can you remind me if Oracle partitioning is a seperate option in the installer or melted in the server code? I think if it's part of the server install, they can not ask custmers to pay for it. -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 3/14/02 7:28 AM Actually, what I meant by saying that I was tricked was this: Last fall, we started to implement a data warehouse. I checked licensing for 9iDs and was told that we have 9. This seemed to me to be no problem. Apparently, when you call to inquire about such things, your sales rep is notified. He contacted me within a week to say that, although we have 9 9iDs licenses, they were migrated licenses from previous products that are now bundled there. Oracle Warehouse Builder was not included, but we could buy those licenses for $5000 each. We bought 3. He then proceeded to tell me about these wonderful features of Oracle 8i and 9i that would help with the data warehouse. The one that he pushed the most was Partitioning, even sending me white papers and inviting me to web-casts about it. I didn't need either, this is not a tough concept. He NEVER mentioned that it was an additional cost item. He called me yesterday, 2 weeks after the data warehouse was supposed to go live, to find out how everything went. Or so he said. He jumped right into whether we had used partitioning like he suggested. When I told him yes, he came back with You know that's not a free option, and you're license doesn't cover it. He had already looked up our licensing prior to the call and was obviously certain that he'd catch us using the option without paying for it. I told him that the option is available on install, and you don't even have to pick it specifically. His answer was that that didn't mean we could just use it. That's what I meant when I said I felt I was tricked. MacGregor, Ian A. wrote: Well stated. However, unlike you I cannot read minds, and cannot say whether the default install model has such a sinister purpose. Some versions of Oracle's installer have been so buggy that I can only conclude their purpose was to convince you to use another database. If what you state as the only defensible reason is true, wouldn't Oracle be marshalling a vast army of auditors to collect from the unwitting companies. The person did not complain that he was fooled into installing the product, but tricked into admitting he had installed it. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 1:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For some reason there has been a great confusion... I believe that's exactly the point. Oracle installed this extra-cost option by default, for no other defensible reason then to encourage its unwitting use. There's a reason there has been confusion. They're like a drug pusher, first one's easy but once you're hooked you PAY. And unless you know where to look its not so easy to find info on Metalink for what are the options for each DB version. I don't know what the original meaning was behind 'feeling tricked', but I guarantee you there are some on this list who've just realized they've been tricked into using an expensive add-on product they may not be able to back out of at this point. Jim -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L While I agree Oracle is avaricious and sales reps are a smarmy lot, I don't see any entrapment here. If you believe you are licensed for an option and you are not, it is perfectly legitimate for Oracle to ask for you to pay for that license and any maintenance costs. $23,800 is cheap, must be a 20 named user license. They are not asking for payment for all the years it had been illegally installed? Consider yourself very lucky and Oracle anything but greedy. Feeling tricked implies that had you known that you were not licensed, you would not have divulged it to Oracle. If so, you are lower than a smoldering heap of parrot droppings. However, as it was indeed an innocent mistake and no such characterization is necessary. For some reason there has been a great confusion over whether the partitioning option costs extra. Even some of the most knowledgeable DBA's in the world were mistaken on this. The height of this misunderstanding was a two to three years ago. I expect there were hundreds perhaps thousands of sites who have installed partitioning without a license because they believed it to be free. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ:
RE: Oracle Hungry for Money
The recent installations of 8.1.7 that I did have this as an option that is selected by default. Earlier versions (I believe 8.1.5) forced the installation of Partitioning - you had to install it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/14/02 11:03AM separate option. you can choose not to install it from OUI. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 9:08 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Can you remind me if Oracle partitioning is a seperate option in the installer or melted in the server code? I think if it's part of the server install, they can not ask custmers to pay for it. -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 3/14/02 7:28 AM Actually, what I meant by saying that I was tricked was this: Last fall, we started to implement a data warehouse. I checked licensing for 9iDs and was told that we have 9. This seemed to me to be no problem. Apparently, when you call to inquire about such things, your sales rep is notified. He contacted me within a week to say that, although we have 9 9iDs licenses, they were migrated licenses from previous products that are now bundled there. Oracle Warehouse Builder was not included, but we could buy those licenses for $5000 each. We bought 3. He then proceeded to tell me about these wonderful features of Oracle 8i and 9i that would help with the data warehouse. The one that he pushed the most was Partitioning, even sending me white papers and inviting me to web-casts about it. I didn't need either, this is not a tough concept. He NEVER mentioned that it was an additional cost item. He called me yesterday, 2 weeks after the data warehouse was supposed to go live, to find out how everything went. Or so he said. He jumped right into whether we had used partitioning like he suggested. When I told him yes, he came back with You know that's not a free option, and you're license doesn't cover it. He had already looked up our licensing prior to the call and was obviously certain that he'd catch us using the option without paying for it. I told him that the option is available on install, and you don't even have to pick it specifically. His answer was that that didn't mean we could just use it. That's what I meant when I said I felt I was tricked. MacGregor, Ian A. wrote: Well stated. However, unlike you I cannot read minds, and cannot say whether the default install model has such a sinister purpose. Some versions of Oracle's installer have been so buggy that I can only conclude their purpose was to convince you to use another database. If what you state as the only defensible reason is true, wouldn't Oracle be marshalling a vast army of auditors to collect from the unwitting companies. The person did not complain that he was fooled into installing the product, but tricked into admitting he had installed it. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 1:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For some reason there has been a great confusion... I believe that's exactly the point. Oracle installed this extra-cost option by default, for no other defensible reason then to encourage its unwitting use. There's a reason there has been confusion. They're like a drug pusher, first one's easy but once you're hooked you PAY. And unless you know where to look its not so easy to find info on Metalink for what are the options for each DB version. I don't know what the original meaning was behind 'feeling tricked', but I guarantee you there are some on this list who've just realized they've been tricked into using an expensive add-on product they may not be able to back out of at this point. Jim -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L While I agree Oracle is avaricious and sales reps are a smarmy lot, I don't see any entrapment here. If you believe you are licensed for an option and you are not, it is perfectly legitimate for Oracle to ask for you to pay for that license and any maintenance costs. $23,800 is cheap, must be a 20 named user license. They are not asking for payment for all the years it had been illegally installed? Consider yourself very lucky and Oracle anything but greedy. Feeling tricked implies that had you known that you were not licensed, you would not have divulged it to Oracle. If so, you are lower than a smoldering heap of parrot droppings. However, as it was indeed an innocent mistake and no such characterization is necessary. For some reason there has been a great confusion over whether the partitioning option costs extra. Even some of the most knowledgeable DBA's in the world were mistaken on this. The height of this misunderstanding was a two to three years ago. I expect there were hundreds perhaps thousands of sites who have installed partitioning without a license
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Scott Canaan wrote: Actually, what I meant by saying that I was tricked was this: Last fall, we started to implement a data warehouse. I checked licensing for 9iDs and was told that we have 9. This seemed to me to be no problem. Apparently, when you call to inquire about such things, your sales rep is notified. He contacted me within a week to say that, although we have 9 9iDs licenses, they were migrated licenses from previous products that are now bundled there. Oracle Warehouse Builder was not included, but we could buy those licenses for $5000 each. We bought 3. He then proceeded to tell me about these wonderful features of Oracle 8i and 9i that would help with the data warehouse. The one that he pushed the most was Partitioning, even sending me white papers and inviting me to web-casts about it. I didn't need either, this is not a tough concept. He NEVER mentioned that it was an additional cost item. He called me yesterday, 2 weeks after the data warehouse was supposed to go live, to find out how everything went. Or so he said. He jumped right into whether we had used partitioning like he suggested. When I told him yes, he came back with You know that's not a free option, and you're license doesn't cover it. He had already looked up our licensing prior to the call and was obviously certain that he'd catch us using the option without paying for it. I told him that the option is available on install, and you don't even have to pick it specifically. His answer was that that didn't mean we could just use it. That's what I meant when I said I felt I was tricked. Scott, I suggest you inadvertently leak to the salesrep or, better, his boss, that your management is extremely cross with this story and that you are probably going to be very busy soon evaluating DB2. -- Regards, Stephane Faroult Oriole Ltd -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Stephane Faroult INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Watch out! I just got off the phone with our Oracle sales rep. He was asking me if I needed information on Partitioning or OLAP for our data warehouse project. I told him that we are on 8.1.7, so the OLAP option isn't available. To keep him from going into a long speil on Partitioning, I told him that I have already implemented that, which is true. He jumped on that and told me that we aren't licensed for it. He followed up with sending me a quote for $23,800 to cover the fact that we are using the option, which we didn't pay for. I was always told that we have a site license (higher ed), and he said that our license was purchased prior to Partioning being available, so that doesn't count. I'm telling everyone about this as a heads-up. It appears that Oracle is digging for money, and I feel that the approach that was used was done to trick me into admitting that I had implemented the feature. -- Scott Canaan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (585) 475-7886 Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends on what you put into it - Tom Lehrer -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Canaan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I think you will find that there are lots of people out there who are using partitioning without paying for it It has always been an extra cost option My problem is that Oracle installs it as a default option when you install the RDBMS, which I think is wrong. If you have an extra cost option, then it should not be available by default. MOVMMY, Robert Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP Oracle DBA Technical Lead CSX Midtier Database Administration The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can take his freedom away from him. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 2:03 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Watch out! I just got off the phone with our Oracle sales rep. He was asking me if I needed information on Partitioning or OLAP for our data warehouse project. I told him that we are on 8.1.7, so the OLAP option isn't available. To keep him from going into a long speil on Partitioning, I told him that I have already implemented that, which is true. He jumped on that and told me that we aren't licensed for it. He followed up with sending me a quote for $23,800 to cover the fact that we are using the option, which we didn't pay for. I was always told that we have a site license (higher ed), and he said that our license was purchased prior to Partioning being available, so that doesn't count. I'm telling everyone about this as a heads-up. It appears that Oracle is digging for money, and I feel that the approach that was used was done to trick me into admitting that I had implemented the feature. -- Scott Canaan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (585) 475-7886 Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends on what you put into it - Tom Lehrer -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Canaan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Freeman, Robert INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Title: RE: Oracle Hungry for Money You're supposed to take the Clinton approach. DENY, DENY, DENY And always remember, it's not illegal until you get caught. Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Scott Canaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 2:03 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Oracle Hungry for Money Watch out! I just got off the phone with our Oracle sales rep. He was asking me if I needed information on Partitioning or OLAP for our data warehouse project. I told him that we are on 8.1.7, so the OLAP option isn't available. To keep him from going into a long speil on Partitioning, I told him that I have already implemented that, which is true. He jumped on that and told me that we aren't licensed for it. He followed up with sending me a quote for $23,800 to cover the fact that we are using the option, which we didn't pay for. I was always told that we have a site license (higher ed), and he said that our license was purchased prior to Partioning being available, so that doesn't count. I'm telling everyone about this as a heads-up. It appears that Oracle is digging for money, and I feel that the approach that was used was done to trick me into admitting that I had implemented the feature. -- Scott Canaan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (585) 475-7886 Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends on what you put into it - Tom Lehrer -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Canaan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Scott, We also have a higher ed site liscense, isn't partitioning included in the Enterprise Edition??? ...JIM... [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/13/02 1:02:33 PM Watch out! I just got off the phone with our Oracle sales rep. He was asking me if I needed information on Partitioning or OLAP for our data warehouse project. I told him that we are on 8.1.7, so the OLAP option isn't available. To keep him from going into a long speil on Partitioning, I told him that I have already implemented that, which is true. He jumped on that and told me that we aren't licensed for it. He followed up with sending me a quote for $23,800 to cover the fact that we are using the option, which we didn't pay for. I was always told that we have a site license (higher ed), and he said that our license was purchased prior to Partioning being available, so that doesn't count. I'm telling everyone about this as a heads-up. It appears that Oracle is digging for money, and I feel that the approach that was used was done to trick me into admitting that I had implemented the feature. -- Scott Canaan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (585) 475-7886 Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends on what you put into it - Tom Lehrer -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Canaan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: James Howerton INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Hey Scott, At least you get to talk to your sales rep. We have had a new one for almost a year and I have yet to meet him. I still keep asking about the $3,400 that Oracle owes us from the 2000 license snafu and he is suddenly busy and has to go. But I'll look into it and get back to you yea right, okay, really. Thanks for the heads up but we just joined the state licensing and we are licensed for darn near everything. Still can't use it though. We are on Novell with Oracle 7.3.4. I would check into the license agreement that you have purchased. ROR mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/13/02 02:02PM Watch out! I just got off the phone with our Oracle sales rep. He was asking me if I needed information on Partitioning or OLAP for our data warehouse project. I told him that we are on 8.1.7, so the OLAP option isn't available. To keep him from going into a long speil on Partitioning, I told him that I have already implemented that, which is true. He jumped on that and told me that we aren't licensed for it. He followed up with sending me a quote for $23,800 to cover the fact that we are using the option, which we didn't pay for. I was always told that we have a site license (higher ed), and he said that our license was purchased prior to Partioning being available, so that doesn't count. I'm telling everyone about this as a heads-up. It appears that Oracle is digging for money, and I feel that the approach that was used was done to trick me into admitting that I had implemented the feature. -- Scott Canaan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (585) 475-7886 Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends on what you put into it - Tom Lehrer -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Canaan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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No it is not. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 12:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Scott, We also have a higher ed site liscense, isn't partitioning included in the Enterprise Edition??? ...JIM... [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/13/02 1:02:33 PM Watch out! I just got off the phone with our Oracle sales rep. He was asking me if I needed information on Partitioning or OLAP for our data warehouse project. I told him that we are on 8.1.7, so the OLAP option isn't available. To keep him from going into a long speil on Partitioning, I told him that I have already implemented that, which is true. He jumped on that and told me that we aren't licensed for it. He followed up with sending me a quote for $23,800 to cover the fact that we are using the option, which we didn't pay for. I was always told that we have a site license (higher ed), and he said that our license was purchased prior to Partioning being available, so that doesn't count. I'm telling everyone about this as a heads-up. It appears that Oracle is digging for money, and I feel that the approach that was used was done to trick me into admitting that I had implemented the feature. -- Scott Canaan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (585) 475-7886 Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends on what you put into it - Tom Lehrer -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Canaan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: James Howerton INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: MacGregor, Ian A. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Doesn't sound like a trick to me... Although I am sure they are out for money, after all that is what the sales folks do, SELL. If they had chosen to audit you the result would have been the same. You implemented you pay for it. Sounds fair to me within the grounds of Oracle pay through the teeth licensing. -Original Message- Canaan Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:03 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Watch out! I just got off the phone with our Oracle sales rep. He was asking me if I needed information on Partitioning or OLAP for our data warehouse project. I told him that we are on 8.1.7, so the OLAP option isn't available. To keep him from going into a long speil on Partitioning, I told him that I have already implemented that, which is true. He jumped on that and told me that we aren't licensed for it. He followed up with sending me a quote for $23,800 to cover the fact that we are using the option, which we didn't pay for. I was always told that we have a site license (higher ed), and he said that our license was purchased prior to Partioning being available, so that doesn't count. I'm telling everyone about this as a heads-up. It appears that Oracle is digging for money, and I feel that the approach that was used was done to trick me into admitting that I had implemented the feature. -- Scott Canaan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (585) 475-7886 Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends on what you put into it - Tom Lehrer -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Canaan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Hungry for Money
While I agree Oracle is avaricious and sales reps are a smarmy lot, I don't see any entrapment here. If you believe you are licensed for an option and you are not, it is perfectly legitimate for Oracle to ask for you to pay for that license and any maintenance costs. $23,800 is cheap, must be a 20 named user license. They are not asking for payment for all the years it had been illegally installed? Consider yourself very lucky and Oracle anything but greedy. Feeling tricked implies that had you known that you were not licensed, you would not have divulged it to Oracle. If so, you are lower than a smoldering heap of parrot droppings. However, as it was indeed an innocent mistake and no such characterization is necessary. For some reason there has been a great confusion over whether the partitioning option costs extra. Even some of the most knowledgeable DBA's in the world were mistaken on this. The height of this misunderstanding was a two to three years ago. I expect there were hundreds perhaps thousands of sites who have installed partitioning without a license because they believed it to be free. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:03 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Watch out! I just got off the phone with our Oracle sales rep. He was asking me if I needed information on Partitioning or OLAP for our data warehouse project. I told him that we are on 8.1.7, so the OLAP option isn't available. To keep him from going into a long speil on Partitioning, I told him that I have already implemented that, which is true. He jumped on that and told me that we aren't licensed for it. He followed up with sending me a quote for $23,800 to cover the fact that we are using the option, which we didn't pay for. I was always told that we have a site license (higher ed), and he said that our license was purchased prior to Partioning being available, so that doesn't count. I'm telling everyone about this as a heads-up. It appears that Oracle is digging for money, and I feel that the approach that was used was done to trick me into admitting that I had implemented the feature. -- Scott Canaan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (585) 475-7886 Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends on what you put into it - Tom Lehrer -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Canaan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: MacGregor, Ian A. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Hungry for Money
Title: RE: Oracle Hungry for Money No, not included. But need Enterprise Edition to get Partitioning. Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: James Howerton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Oracle Hungry for Money Scott, We also have a higher ed site liscense, isn't partitioning included in the Enterprise Edition??? ...JIM... [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/13/02 1:02:33 PM Watch out! I just got off the phone with our Oracle sales rep. He was asking me if I needed information on Partitioning or OLAP for our data warehouse project. I told him that we are on 8.1.7, so the OLAP option isn't available. To keep him from going into a long speil on Partitioning, I told him that I have already implemented that, which is true. He jumped on that and told me that we aren't licensed for it. He followed up with sending me a quote for $23,800 to cover the fact that we are using the option, which we didn't pay for. I was always told that we have a site license (higher ed), and he said that our license was purchased prior to Partioning being available, so that doesn't count. I'm telling everyone about this as a heads-up. It appears that Oracle is digging for money, and I feel that the approach that was used was done to trick me into admitting that I had implemented the feature. -- Scott Canaan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (585) 475-7886 Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends on what you put into it - Tom Lehrer -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Canaan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: James Howerton INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Hungry for Money
Title: RE: Oracle Hungry for Money Actually, if you are found using items during audit, I believe you pay for the licensing and then pay another fee of 200% costs for illegal usage. In other words, cost something like 3 times normal if found during audit. jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Kimberly Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle Hungry for Money Doesn't sound like a trick to me... Although I am sure they are out for money, after all that is what the sales folks do, SELL. If they had chosen to audit you the result would have been the same. You implemented you pay for it. Sounds fair to me within the grounds of Oracle pay through the teeth licensing. -Original Message- Canaan Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:03 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Watch out! I just got off the phone with our Oracle sales rep. He was asking me if I needed information on Partitioning or OLAP for our data warehouse project. I told him that we are on 8.1.7, so the OLAP option isn't available. To keep him from going into a long speil on Partitioning, I told him that I have already implemented that, which is true. He jumped on that and told me that we aren't licensed for it. He followed up with sending me a quote for $23,800 to cover the fact that we are using the option, which we didn't pay for. I was always told that we have a site license (higher ed), and he said that our license was purchased prior to Partioning being available, so that doesn't count. I'm telling everyone about this as a heads-up. It appears that Oracle is digging for money, and I feel that the approach that was used was done to trick me into admitting that I had implemented the feature. -- Scott Canaan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (585) 475-7886 Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends on what you put into it - Tom Lehrer -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Canaan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Hungry for Money
Nope... But, you need Enterprise in order to buy the partitioning option... i.e. You can't buy the partitioning option for standard edition... The partitioning option is an extra cost item (list price is an extra $10,000 a CPU)... Just because it's on the Enterprise Edition CD doesn't mean that's it's legal for you to use it... Tim -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Scott, We also have a higher ed site liscense, isn't partitioning included in the Enterprise Edition??? ...JIM... [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/13/02 1:02:33 PM Watch out! I just got off the phone with our Oracle sales rep. He was asking me if I needed information on Partitioning or OLAP for our data warehouse project. I told him that we are on 8.1.7, so the OLAP option isn't available. To keep him from going into a long speil on Partitioning, I told him that I have already implemented that, which is true. He jumped on that and told me that we aren't licensed for it. He followed up with sending me a quote for $23,800 to cover the fact that we are using the option, which we didn't pay for. I was always told that we have a site license (higher ed), and he said that our license was purchased prior to Partioning being available, so that doesn't count. I'm telling everyone about this as a heads-up. It appears that Oracle is digging for money, and I feel that the approach that was used was done to trick me into admitting that I had implemented the feature. -- Scott Canaan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (585) 475-7886 Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends on what you put into it - Tom Lehrer -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Canaan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: James Howerton INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Johnston, Tim INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Hungry for Money
If you look on Metalink, under Product Lifecycle, no it's not. And that's news to me. But it also says that SQL*Plus is separately licensable. Which really irks me, because you can't START your DB without it in 9i! So, how is this an OPTION??? And we have NEVER seen an Oracle Rep! NEVER, NEVER, NEVER! Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 2:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Scott, We also have a higher ed site liscense, isn't partitioning included in the Enterprise Edition??? ...JIM... [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/13/02 1:02:33 PM Watch out! I just got off the phone with our Oracle sales rep. He was asking me if I needed information on Partitioning or OLAP for our data warehouse project. I told him that we are on 8.1.7, so the OLAP option isn't available. To keep him from going into a long speil on Partitioning, I told him that I have already implemented that, which is true. He jumped on that and told me that we aren't licensed for it. He followed up with sending me a quote for $23,800 to cover the fact that we are using the option, which we didn't pay for. I was always told that we have a site license (higher ed), and he said that our license was purchased prior to Partioning being available, so that doesn't count. I'm telling everyone about this as a heads-up. It appears that Oracle is digging for money, and I feel that the approach that was used was done to trick me into admitting that I had implemented the feature. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Hungry for Money
Does PQO requires more money too? -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Doesn't sound like a trick to me... Although I am sure they are out for money, after all that is what the sales folks do, SELL. If they had chosen to audit you the result would have been the same. You implemented you pay for it. Sounds fair to me within the grounds of Oracle pay through the teeth licensing. -Original Message- Canaan Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:03 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Watch out! I just got off the phone with our Oracle sales rep. He was asking me if I needed information on Partitioning or OLAP for our data warehouse project. I told him that we are on 8.1.7, so the OLAP option isn't available. To keep him from going into a long speil on Partitioning, I told him that I have already implemented that, which is true. He jumped on that and told me that we aren't licensed for it. He followed up with sending me a quote for $23,800 to cover the fact that we are using the option, which we didn't pay for. I was always told that we have a site license (higher ed), and he said that our license was purchased prior to Partioning being available, so that doesn't count. I'm telling everyone about this as a heads-up. It appears that Oracle is digging for money, and I feel that the approach that was used was done to trick me into admitting that I had implemented the feature. -- Scott Canaan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (585) 475-7886 Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends on what you put into it - Tom Lehrer -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Canaan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Khedr, Waleed INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Hungry for Money
Even worse, Oracle made Intermedia free shortly after 8.1.6 was released . However if you chose to install Intermedia, you also had to install the Spatial Data Option which is not free. Installing is not the same as using, but still ... I have to agree that Oracle should not install extra cost extensions by default. It is quite possible the person assigned to be the company's first DBA has little experience and no idea what's in the licensing agreement. This DBA does a default install and soon the company has rampant use of options for which it is not licensed. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think you will find that there are lots of people out there who are using partitioning without paying for it It has always been an extra cost option My problem is that Oracle installs it as a default option when you install the RDBMS, which I think is wrong. If you have an extra cost option, then it should not be available by default. MOVMMY, Robert Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP Oracle DBA Technical Lead CSX Midtier Database Administration The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can take his freedom away from him. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 2:03 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Watch out! I just got off the phone with our Oracle sales rep. He was asking me if I needed information on Partitioning or OLAP for our data warehouse project. I told him that we are on 8.1.7, so the OLAP option isn't available. To keep him from going into a long speil on Partitioning, I told him that I have already implemented that, which is true. He jumped on that and told me that we aren't licensed for it. He followed up with sending me a quote for $23,800 to cover the fact that we are using the option, which we didn't pay for. I was always told that we have a site license (higher ed), and he said that our license was purchased prior to Partioning being available, so that doesn't count. I'm telling everyone about this as a heads-up. It appears that Oracle is digging for money, and I feel that the approach that was used was done to trick me into admitting that I had implemented the feature. -- Scott Canaan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (585) 475-7886 Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends on what you put into it - Tom Lehrer -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Canaan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Freeman, Robert INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: MacGregor, Ian A. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Hungry for Money
Does using UPDATE statements cost more money too? I heard that Oracle wants to start charging based upon how many records you are going to insert, update, select AND delete!!! Amazing.. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Doesn't sound like a trick to me... Although I am sure they are out for money, after all that is what the sales folks do, SELL. If they had chosen to audit you the result would have been the same. You implemented you pay for it. Sounds fair to me within the grounds of Oracle pay through the teeth licensing. -Original Message- Canaan Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:03 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Watch out! I just got off the phone with our Oracle sales rep. He was asking me if I needed information on Partitioning or OLAP for our data warehouse project. I told him that we are on 8.1.7, so the OLAP option isn't available. To keep him from going into a long speil on Partitioning, I told him that I have already implemented that, which is true. He jumped on that and told me that we aren't licensed for it. He followed up with sending me a quote for $23,800 to cover the fact that we are using the option, which we didn't pay for. I was always told that we have a site license (higher ed), and he said that our license was purchased prior to Partioning being available, so that doesn't count. I'm telling everyone about this as a heads-up. It appears that Oracle is digging for money, and I feel that the approach that was used was done to trick me into admitting that I had implemented the feature. -- Scott Canaan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (585) 475-7886 Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends on what you put into it - Tom Lehrer -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Canaan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Khedr, Waleed INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Grabowy, Chris INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle Hungry for Money
That's what we thought, too. Apparently, it isn't. Actually, what Cameron told me was that our license pre-dates the option, so by default it isn't included. The license was purchased on version 7.2. James Howerton wrote: Scott, We also have a higher ed site liscense, isn't partitioning included in the Enterprise Edition??? ...JIM... [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/13/02 1:02:33 PM Watch out! I just got off the phone with our Oracle sales rep. He was asking me if I needed information on Partitioning or OLAP for our data warehouse project. I told him that we are on 8.1.7, so the OLAP option isn't available. To keep him from going into a long speil on Partitioning, I told him that I have already implemented that, which is true. He jumped on that and told me that we aren't licensed for it. He followed up with sending me a quote for $23,800 to cover the fact that we are using the option, which we didn't pay for. I was always told that we have a site license (higher ed), and he said that our license was purchased prior to Partioning being available, so that doesn't count. I'm telling everyone about this as a heads-up. It appears that Oracle is digging for money, and I feel that the approach that was used was done to trick me into admitting that I had implemented the feature. -- Scott Canaan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (585) 475-7886 Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends on what you put into it - Tom Lehrer -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Canaan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: James Howerton INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Scott Canaan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (585) 475-7886 Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends on what you put into it - Tom Lehrer -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Canaan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Hungry for Money
For some reason there has been a great confusion... I believe that's exactly the point. Oracle installed this extra-cost option by default, for no other defensible reason then to encourage its unwitting use. There's a reason there has been confusion. They're like a drug pusher, first one's easy but once you're hooked you PAY. And unless you know where to look its not so easy to find info on Metalink for what are the options for each DB version. I don't know what the original meaning was behind 'feeling tricked', but I guarantee you there are some on this list who've just realized they've been tricked into using an expensive add-on product they may not be able to back out of at this point. Jim -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L While I agree Oracle is avaricious and sales reps are a smarmy lot, I don't see any entrapment here. If you believe you are licensed for an option and you are not, it is perfectly legitimate for Oracle to ask for you to pay for that license and any maintenance costs. $23,800 is cheap, must be a 20 named user license. They are not asking for payment for all the years it had been illegally installed? Consider yourself very lucky and Oracle anything but greedy. Feeling tricked implies that had you known that you were not licensed, you would not have divulged it to Oracle. If so, you are lower than a smoldering heap of parrot droppings. However, as it was indeed an innocent mistake and no such characterization is necessary. For some reason there has been a great confusion over whether the partitioning option costs extra. Even some of the most knowledgeable DBA's in the world were mistaken on this. The height of this misunderstanding was a two to three years ago. I expect there were hundreds perhaps thousands of sites who have installed partitioning without a license because they believed it to be free. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Conboy, Jim INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Hungry for Money
PQO is free to the best of my knowlege . However, parallel DML requires the partitioning option. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 1:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Does PQO requires more money too? -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Doesn't sound like a trick to me... Although I am sure they are out for money, after all that is what the sales folks do, SELL. If they had chosen to audit you the result would have been the same. You implemented you pay for it. Sounds fair to me within the grounds of Oracle pay through the teeth licensing. -Original Message- Canaan Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:03 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Watch out! I just got off the phone with our Oracle sales rep. He was asking me if I needed information on Partitioning or OLAP for our data warehouse project. I told him that we are on 8.1.7, so the OLAP option isn't available. To keep him from going into a long speil on Partitioning, I told him that I have already implemented that, which is true. He jumped on that and told me that we aren't licensed for it. He followed up with sending me a quote for $23,800 to cover the fact that we are using the option, which we didn't pay for. I was always told that we have a site license (higher ed), and he said that our license was purchased prior to Partioning being available, so that doesn't count. I'm telling everyone about this as a heads-up. It appears that Oracle is digging for money, and I feel that the approach that was used was done to trick me into admitting that I had implemented the feature. -- Scott Canaan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (585) 475-7886 Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends on what you put into it - Tom Lehrer -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Canaan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Khedr, Waleed INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: MacGregor, Ian A. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Hungry for Money
Well, I never thought it would pay off but, our developers never design applications which delete records!! -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Does using UPDATE statements cost more money too? I heard that Oracle wants to start charging based upon how many records you are going to insert, update, select AND delete!!! Amazing.. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Doesn't sound like a trick to me... Although I am sure they are out for money, after all that is what the sales folks do, SELL. If they had chosen to audit you the result would have been the same. You implemented you pay for it. Sounds fair to me within the grounds of Oracle pay through the teeth licensing. -Original Message- Canaan Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:03 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Watch out! I just got off the phone with our Oracle sales rep. He was asking me if I needed information on Partitioning or OLAP for our data warehouse project. I told him that we are on 8.1.7, so the OLAP option isn't available. To keep him from going into a long speil on Partitioning, I told him that I have already implemented that, which is true. He jumped on that and told me that we aren't licensed for it. He followed up with sending me a quote for $23,800 to cover the fact that we are using the option, which we didn't pay for. I was always told that we have a site license (higher ed), and he said that our license was purchased prior to Partioning being available, so that doesn't count. I'm telling everyone about this as a heads-up. It appears that Oracle is digging for money, and I feel that the approach that was used was done to trick me into admitting that I had implemented the feature. -- Scott Canaan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (585) 475-7886 Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends on what you put into it - Tom Lehrer -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Canaan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Khedr, Waleed INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Grabowy, Chris INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Wiegand, Kurt INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list,
Re: Oracle Hungry for Money
Well, to save you money on that oracle introduced new feature in 9i: MERGE (when you don't know where to use INSERT or to UPDATE, if record exists):)) Igor Neyman, OCP DBA [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:08 PM Does using UPDATE statements cost more money too? I heard that Oracle wants to start charging based upon how many records you are going to insert, update, select AND delete!!! Amazing.. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Doesn't sound like a trick to me... Although I am sure they are out for money, after all that is what the sales folks do, SELL. If they had chosen to audit you the result would have been the same. You implemented you pay for it. Sounds fair to me within the grounds of Oracle pay through the teeth licensing. -Original Message- Canaan Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:03 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Watch out! I just got off the phone with our Oracle sales rep. He was asking me if I needed information on Partitioning or OLAP for our data warehouse project. I told him that we are on 8.1.7, so the OLAP option isn't available. To keep him from going into a long speil on Partitioning, I told him that I have already implemented that, which is true. He jumped on that and told me that we aren't licensed for it. He followed up with sending me a quote for $23,800 to cover the fact that we are using the option, which we didn't pay for. I was always told that we have a site license (higher ed), and he said that our license was purchased prior to Partioning being available, so that doesn't count. I'm telling everyone about this as a heads-up. It appears that Oracle is digging for money, and I feel that the approach that was used was done to trick me into admitting that I had implemented the feature. -- Scott Canaan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (585) 475-7886 Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends on what you put into it - Tom Lehrer -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Canaan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Khedr, Waleed INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Grabowy, Chris INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Igor Neyman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051
RE: Oracle Hungry for Money
It's packaged with the Enterprise Edition and not with the Standard Edition so it's not really free. Is anything from Oracle really free? -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 2:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Importance: High PQO is free to the best of my knowlege . However, parallel DML requires the partitioning option. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 1:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Does PQO requires more money too? -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Doesn't sound like a trick to me... Although I am sure they are out for money, after all that is what the sales folks do, SELL. If they had chosen to audit you the result would have been the same. You implemented you pay for it. Sounds fair to me within the grounds of Oracle pay through the teeth licensing. -Original Message- Canaan Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:03 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Watch out! I just got off the phone with our Oracle sales rep. He was asking me if I needed information on Partitioning or OLAP for our data warehouse project. I told him that we are on 8.1.7, so the OLAP option isn't available. To keep him from going into a long speil on Partitioning, I told him that I have already implemented that, which is true. He jumped on that and told me that we aren't licensed for it. He followed up with sending me a quote for $23,800 to cover the fact that we are using the option, which we didn't pay for. I was always told that we have a site license (higher ed), and he said that our license was purchased prior to Partioning being available, so that doesn't count. I'm telling everyone about this as a heads-up. It appears that Oracle is digging for money, and I feel that the approach that was used was done to trick me into admitting that I had implemented the feature. -- Scott Canaan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (585) 475-7886 Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends on what you put into it - Tom Lehrer -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Canaan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Khedr, Waleed INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: MacGregor, Ian A. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego,
RE: Oracle Hungry for Money
Well stated. However, unlike you I cannot read minds, and cannot say whether the default install model has such a sinister purpose. Some versions of Oracle's installer have been so buggy that I can only conclude their purpose was to convince you to use another database. If what you state as the only defensible reason is true, wouldn't Oracle be marshalling a vast army of auditors to collect from the unwitting companies. The person did not complain that he was fooled into installing the product, but tricked into admitting he had installed it. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 1:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For some reason there has been a great confusion... I believe that's exactly the point. Oracle installed this extra-cost option by default, for no other defensible reason then to encourage its unwitting use. There's a reason there has been confusion. They're like a drug pusher, first one's easy but once you're hooked you PAY. And unless you know where to look its not so easy to find info on Metalink for what are the options for each DB version. I don't know what the original meaning was behind 'feeling tricked', but I guarantee you there are some on this list who've just realized they've been tricked into using an expensive add-on product they may not be able to back out of at this point. Jim -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L While I agree Oracle is avaricious and sales reps are a smarmy lot, I don't see any entrapment here. If you believe you are licensed for an option and you are not, it is perfectly legitimate for Oracle to ask for you to pay for that license and any maintenance costs. $23,800 is cheap, must be a 20 named user license. They are not asking for payment for all the years it had been illegally installed? Consider yourself very lucky and Oracle anything but greedy. Feeling tricked implies that had you known that you were not licensed, you would not have divulged it to Oracle. If so, you are lower than a smoldering heap of parrot droppings. However, as it was indeed an innocent mistake and no such characterization is necessary. For some reason there has been a great confusion over whether the partitioning option costs extra. Even some of the most knowledgeable DBA's in the world were mistaken on this. The height of this misunderstanding was a two to three years ago. I expect there were hundreds perhaps thousands of sites who have installed partitioning without a license because they believed it to be free. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Conboy, Jim INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: MacGregor, Ian A. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Off Topic - Oracle Hungry for Money
Speaking of hungry for money, I have an interesting anecdote about our Oracle contract negotiations this year. Last year Oracle tried to make us switch from per user to server based licensing for Oracle Express. It was going to double our maintenance cost, plus they tried to tack on a $10K fee for their processing costs for making the swtich. We 'politely' declined to change. This year, due to an unfavorable business climate, our per user requirements are half of last year. When we received the maintenance quote my manager contacted the account rep and asked for a new quote with 1/2 the users. He received a new quote with 1/2 the users and a per user cost that was twice that on the previous quote. When he inquired how that could be, he was told that maintenace costs are determined by taking last years maintenance amount, adding 15% and then dividing by the number of users to get the cost per user. I guess you have to admire their guts in admitting something like that ... :-) -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 2:03 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Watch out! I just got off the phone with our Oracle sales rep. He was asking me if I needed information on Partitioning or OLAP for our data warehouse project. I told him that we are on 8.1.7, so the OLAP option isn't available. To keep him from going into a long speil on Partitioning, I told him that I have already implemented that, which is true. He jumped on that and told me that we aren't licensed for it. He followed up with sending me a quote for $23,800 to cover the fact that we are using the option, which we didn't pay for. I was always told that we have a site license (higher ed), and he said that our license was purchased prior to Partioning being available, so that doesn't count. I'm telling everyone about this as a heads-up. It appears that Oracle is digging for money, and I feel that the approach that was used was done to trick me into admitting that I had implemented the feature. -- Scott Canaan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (585) 475-7886 Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends on what you put into it - Tom Lehrer -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Canaan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Seefelt, Beth INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Hungry for Money
Title: RE: Oracle Hungry for Money So there, they saved money:-) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jon BakerSent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 12:41 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Oracle Hungry for Money Actually, if you are found using items during audit, I believe you pay for the licensing and then pay another fee of 200% costs for illegal usage. In other words, cost something like 3 times normal if found during audit. jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Kimberly Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle Hungry for Money Doesn't sound like a trick to me... Although I am sure they are out for money, after all that is what the sales folks do, SELL. If they had chosen to audit you the result would have been the same. You implemented you pay for it. Sounds fair to me within the grounds of Oracle pay through the teeth licensing. -Original Message- Canaan Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:03 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Watch out! I just got off the phone with our Oracle "sales rep". He was asking me if I needed information on Partitioning or OLAP for our data warehouse project. I told him that we are on 8.1.7, so the OLAP option isn't available. To keep him from going into a long speil on Partitioning, I told him that I have already implemented that, which is true. He jumped on that and told me that we aren't licensed for it. He followed up with sending me a quote for $23,800 to cover the fact that we are using the option, which we didn't pay for. I was always told that we have a "site" license (higher ed), and he said that our license was purchased prior to Partioning being available, so that doesn't count. I'm telling everyone about this as a heads-up. It appears that Oracle is digging for money, and I feel that the approach that was used was done to trick me into admitting that I had implemented the feature. -- Scott Canaan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (585) 475-7886 "Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends on what you put into it" - Tom Lehrer -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Scott Canaan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
