Re_ Performance Issue on 817 !!!
Jared The O/S was upgraded to Win2000. It was not reinstalled, I mean disk was not formatted, this was done a fly from WinNT TO Win2k. Please tell me more about the problem with upgrading this as I don't know much about O/S issues. It's only one application out of 5 that is having this problem. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 1:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jackson, Was the OS actually upgraded to win2k, or was it reinstalled? because Win2k UPG != Win2k installed The concensus among SA's seems to be that upgrading from NT to Win2k is not a good thing. Our SA's refuse to do it. Jared Jackson Dumas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/07/2003 11:58 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] m cc: Subject:Performance Issue on 817 !!! Hi guys Compliments of the new season. We have a database running on Oracle 817 and there are around 4 to 5 applications running there. Initially the platform was Windows NT, service pack 6. Everything was working fine, now recently, the O/S was upgraded to Windows 2000. Then our problems started, one of those 4 to 5 applications is having a severe performance problems, others are working fine. Now the problem is that one does not know if the O/S upgrade have an effect on this, or maybe that particular application is having the problems. Help advice as now things are sour. What could have been the main problem, on the Database, Application or Operating system level ? I thought it could not be the database because other applications are working fine on the very same database, I could be wrong Please help .1 ___ http://www.webmail.co.za the South-African free email service NetWiseGurus.Com Portal - Your Own Internet Business Today! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jackson Dumas INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). ___ http://www.webmail.co.za the South-African free email service NetWiseGurus.Com Portal - Your Own Internet Business Today! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jackson Dumas INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re_ Performance Issue on 817 !!!
If re-installing Win2K is not an option, then you have to start with the assumption that since the other apps are running, there is a problem with the one app that is not running. In my opinion it would have been better to rebuild the server from scratch as a Windows2000 server, instead of upgrading the OS. It would have given your sa an opportunity to update the firmware, etc. If it is the application... look for differences between it and the other ones. What is it using that the other ones are not using? Does Win2K show any entries in Event Viewer? What about Oracle's various log files, anything in there? Any stats inside Oracle that might provide you with clues? (I suspect you already started checking the logs, etc. though). Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 4:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jared The O/S was upgraded to Win2000. It was not reinstalled, I mean disk was not formatted, this was done a fly from WinNT TO Win2k. Please tell me more about the problem with upgrading this as I don't know much about O/S issues. It's only one application out of 5 that is having this problem. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 1:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jackson, Was the OS actually upgraded to win2k, or was it reinstalled? because Win2k UPG != Win2k installed The concensus among SA's seems to be that upgrading from NT to Win2k is not a good thing. Our SA's refuse to do it. Jared Jackson Dumas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/07/2003 11:58 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] m cc: Subject:Performance Issue on 817 !!! Hi guys Compliments of the new season. We have a database running on Oracle 817 and there are around 4 to 5 applications running there. Initially the platform was Windows NT, service pack 6. Everything was working fine, now recently, the O/S was upgraded to Windows 2000. Then our problems started, one of those 4 to 5 applications is having a severe performance problems, others are working fine. Now the problem is that one does not know if the O/S upgrade have an effect on this, or maybe that particular application is having the problems. Help advice as now things are sour. What could have been the main problem, on the Database, Application or Operating system level ? I thought it could not be the database because other applications are working fine on the very same database, I could be wrong Please help .1 ___ http://www.webmail.co.za the South-African free email service NetWiseGurus.Com Portal - Your Own Internet Business Today! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jackson Dumas INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP
Re: Re_ Performance Issue on 817 !!!
* Leftover DLL's that can cause problems * The directory structure is not Win2k * I don't know what else, I trust my SA's judgement. :) Jared Jackson Dumas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/09/2003 12:03 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re_ Performance Issue on 817 !!! Jared The O/S was upgraded to Win2000. It was not reinstalled, I mean disk was not formatted, this was done a fly from WinNT TO Win2k. Please tell me more about the problem with upgrading this as I don't know much about O/S issues. It's only one application out of 5 that is having this problem. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 1:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jackson, Was the OS actually upgraded to win2k, or was it reinstalled? because Win2k UPG != Win2k installed The concensus among SA's seems to be that upgrading from NT to Win2k is not a good thing. Our SA's refuse to do it. Jared Jackson Dumas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/07/2003 11:58 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] m cc: Subject:Performance Issue on 817 !!! Hi guys Compliments of the new season. We have a database running on Oracle 817 and there are around 4 to 5 applications running there. Initially the platform was Windows NT, service pack 6. Everything was working fine, now recently, the O/S was upgraded to Windows 2000. Then our problems started, one of those 4 to 5 applications is having a severe performance problems, others are working fine. Now the problem is that one does not know if the O/S upgrade have an effect on this, or maybe that particular application is having the problems. Help advice as now things are sour. What could have been the main problem, on the Database, Application or Operating system level ? I thought it could not be the database because other applications are working fine on the very same database, I could be wrong Please help .1 ___ http://www.webmail.co.za the South-African free email service NetWiseGurus.Com Portal - Your Own Internet Business Today! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jackson Dumas INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). ___ http://www.webmail.co.za the South-African free email service NetWiseGurus.Com Portal - Your Own Internet Business Today! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jackson Dumas INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name
Performance Issue on 817 !!!
Hi guys Compliments of the new season. We have a database running on Oracle 817 and there are around 4 to 5 applications running there. Initially the platform was Windows NT, service pack 6. Everything was working fine, now recently, the O/S was upgraded to Windows 2000. Then our problems started, one of those 4 to 5 applications is having a severe performance problems, others are working fine. Now the problem is that one does not know if the O/S upgrade have an effect on this, or maybe that particular application is having the problems. Help advice as now things are sour. What could have been the main problem, on the Database, Application or Operating system level ? I thought it could not be the database because other applications are working fine on the very same database, I could be wrong Please help .1 ___ http://www.webmail.co.za the South-African free email service NetWiseGurus.Com Portal - Your Own Internet Business Today! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jackson Dumas INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Performance Issue on 817 !!!
Hi guys Compliments of the new season. We have a database running on Oracle 817 and there are around 4 to 5 applications running there. Initially the platform was Windows NT, service pack 6. Everything was working fine, now recently, the O/S was upgraded to Windows 2000. Then our problems started, one of those 4 to 5 applications is having a severe performance problems, others are working fine. Now the problem is that one does not know if the O/S upgrade have an effect on this, or maybe that particular application is having the problems. Help advice as now things are sour. What could have been the main problem, on the Database, Application or Operating system level ? I thought it could not be the database because other applications are working fine on the very same database, I could be wrong Please help .1 Jackson, First thing to do is to qualify your 'performance problem'. Usually in IT it gets down to CPU, I/Os or network. If everything is fine then it may be lock or latch related, and the suitable V$ views should help you check this. Check V$WAITSTAT, V$SYSTEM_EVENT, V$SQL (queries most heavy on buffer gets) and try to narrow the scope of your problem. HTH Stephane Faroult -- Diese E-Mail wurde mit http://www.mail-inspector.de verschickt Mail Inspector ist ein kostenloser Service von http://www.is-fun.net Der Absender dieser E-Mail hatte die IP: 195.115.41.103 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Performance Issue on 817 !!!
Hi Jackson Dumas, Have check the virtual memory (paging space) of the OS ? Because sometimes it's related. And, how big memory that you used in your server ? Thank's Bernardus Deddy Hoeydiono. -Original Message- Dumas Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi guys Compliments of the new season. We have a database running on Oracle 817 and there are around 4 to 5 applications running there. Initially the platform was Windows NT, service pack 6. Everything was working fine, now recently, the O/S was upgraded to Windows 2000. Then our problems started, one of those 4 to 5 applications is having a severe performance problems, others are working fine. Now the problem is that one does not know if the O/S upgrade have an effect on this, or maybe that particular application is having the problems. Help advice as now things are sour. What could have been the main problem, on the Database, Application or Operating system level ? I thought it could not be the database because other applications are working fine on the very same database, I could be wrong Please help .1 ___ http://www.webmail.co.za the South-African free email service NetWiseGurus.Com Portal - Your Own Internet Business Today! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jackson Dumas INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Bernardus Deddy Hoeydiono INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Performance Issue on 817 !!!
Jackson Dumas, Maybe we need to know whether your os upgrade caused oracle upgrade? I mean if you did oracle exp/imp, patch, migration etc? I mean if there is anything else is changed ? Make a statspack and check what is the oracle doing. That will be helpful:) Regards zhu chao msn:[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.happyit.net www.cnoug.org(ChinaOracle User Group) === 2003-01-07 23:58:00 ,you wrote£º=== Hi guys Compliments of the new season. We have a database running on Oracle 817 and there are around 4 to 5 applications running there. Initially the platform was Windows NT, service pack 6. Everything was working fine, now recently, the O/S was upgraded to Windows 2000. Then our problems started, one of those 4 to 5 applications is having a severe performance problems, others are working fine. Now the problem is that one does not know if the O/S upgrade have an effect on this, or maybe that particular application is having the problems. Help advice as now things are sour. What could have been the main problem, on the Database, Application or Operating system level ? I thought it could not be the database because other applications are working fine on the very same database, I could be wrong Please help .1 ___ http://www.webmail.co.za the South-African free email service NetWiseGurus.Com Portal - Your Own Internet Business Today! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jackson Dumas INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: chao_ping INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Performance Issue on 817 !!!
Jackson, Was the OS actually upgraded to win2k, or was it reinstalled? because Win2k UPG != Win2k installed The concensus among SA's seems to be that upgrading from NT to Win2k is not a good thing. Our SA's refuse to do it. Jared Jackson Dumas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/07/2003 11:58 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Performance Issue on 817 !!! Hi guys Compliments of the new season. We have a database running on Oracle 817 and there are around 4 to 5 applications running there. Initially the platform was Windows NT, service pack 6. Everything was working fine, now recently, the O/S was upgraded to Windows 2000. Then our problems started, one of those 4 to 5 applications is having a severe performance problems, others are working fine. Now the problem is that one does not know if the O/S upgrade have an effect on this, or maybe that particular application is having the problems. Help advice as now things are sour. What could have been the main problem, on the Database, Application or Operating system level ? I thought it could not be the database because other applications are working fine on the very same database, I could be wrong Please help .1 ___ http://www.webmail.co.za the South-African free email service NetWiseGurus.Com Portal - Your Own Internet Business Today! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jackson Dumas INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Performance Issue on 817 !!!
same here. DLLs all over the place, not the best situation to be in. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 1:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jackson, Was the OS actually upgraded to win2k, or was it reinstalled? because Win2k UPG != Win2k installed The concensus among SA's seems to be that upgrading from NT to Win2k is not a good thing. Our SA's refuse to do it. Jared Jackson Dumas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/07/2003 11:58 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Performance Issue on 817 !!! Hi guys Compliments of the new season. We have a database running on Oracle 817 and there are around 4 to 5 applications running there. Initially the platform was Windows NT, service pack 6. Everything was working fine, now recently, the O/S was upgraded to Windows 2000. Then our problems started, one of those 4 to 5 applications is having a severe performance problems, others are working fine. Now the problem is that one does not know if the O/S upgrade have an effect on this, or maybe that particular application is having the problems. Help advice as now things are sour. What could have been the main problem, on the Database, Application or Operating system level ? I thought it could not be the database because other applications are working fine on the very same database, I could be wrong Please help .1 ___ http://www.webmail.co.za the South-African free email service NetWiseGurus.Com Portal - Your Own Internet Business Today! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jackson Dumas INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).