RE: 9I RAC corporate standard.
Group, Tru64 was made for RAC. If you have the choice: Go Tru64 (just ignore the fact the platform will be decommissioned, some orgs still run openvms, that was clustering...) Linux will run RAC, but it will help if you bring the T64 methods to Linux when setting it up: - choose a CFS. - install your sw only once (and an passive backup, mountable in case of trouble or patches/upgrades). (Kevin, the floor is yours again...) Regards, PdV -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Piet de Visser INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Aren't the key features of Tru64 (trucluster, advfs) being ported to HP-UX, so there is some hope that the success I have had with Tru64 will show up in HP-UX. That's if we stay with Unix as opposed to moving to Linux. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:58 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Group, Tru64 was made for RAC. If you have the choice: Go Tru64 (just ignore the fact the platform will be decommissioned, some orgs still run openvms, that was clustering...) Linux will run RAC, but it will help if you bring the T64 methods to Linux when setting it up: - choose a CFS. - install your sw only once (and an passive backup, mountable in case of trouble or patches/upgrades). (Kevin, the floor is yours again...) Regards, PdV -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Piet de Visser INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Browett, Darren INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: 9I RAC corporate standard.
9iRAC on Tru64 is a breeze. And Tru64 is True Cluster File System. One of the diminishing breed of people still upgrading databases on Tru64 ! Hemant At 03:39 PM 28-10-03 -0800, you wrote: Well, we evaluated 9iRAC on some cheap-o Linux boxes as a proof-of-concept, with the hardware idea based on http://www.bradmark.com/site2/products/pdfs/9irac_config.pdf As far as I'm concerned, RAC's a major pain, unstable and not yet worth the risk -- for us. The idea for us being that we could move a DB or three to this RAC system with a no-cost OS on commodity hardware giving us HA and some load-balancing. I tried installing RHAS 2.1 ($60 duhveloper edition), but it's so old (based on RH7.2) that it couldn't identify our newish hardware (Intel D845 MB). Without a clear path to add kernel mods to allow HW identification, I installed SuSE SLES8. Yipe! Never did get far on that one. Way too many library/kernel issues to consider it. I finally ended up testing on RH9 because it could identify our hardware, I have some familiarity with it, and there are docs on the web (e.g. http://www.puschitz.com) to help get Oracle9i installed on it. I didn't have time to try United Linux, although it does come with a 2.4-19 kernel. Once that was resolved, I wanted to use a filesystem for Oracle, given the limitations of RAW on SCSI under Linux (max 15 partitions), so I downloaded OCFS 1.09. Well, it wouldn't install because of RH9's newer kernel (it was only made to work on RHAS2.1). And when I tried to compile the source, I got errors. So I patched the OCFS source with a modified version of a JFS patch for RH9 and it worked. Unfortunately though, it didn't perform, peaking out at about 1.2MB/s peak throughput and I switched to RAW (40-50 times faster). There's also the ocfstool that you need for monitoring because OCFS only allows contiguous file extents. Veritas is supposed to have a VxFS for Linux as a beta soon... There's not enough room here for me to go over the software install hell to get RAC actually on the systems. And anything Java-based (Installer, DBCA, OEM, etc.) most of the time flat out refused to run without any errors. I thought this was odd considering I didn't have any problem with other non-Oracle Java programs. Finally, when I called in a problem to Oracle Support regarding DBCA, I thought I had a decent tech until I was warned by him that my SHMMAX kernel setting was too high because it was over physical RAM. Also, I've had a helluva time trying to understand the 9iRAC client setup. I haven't found any Oracle docs yet that explain it well. Granted, some/much/all of this is probably because I'm running on an unsupported version of Linux. My problem with that is that it shouldn't freakin matter. With my luck at getting 9.2.0.4 to run on Gentoo, I just might try 9iRAC on there... :) I would *love* to try 9iRAC on OpenVMS. It should be by far the easiest to install and maintain, given the clustering is builtin to the OS. Gotta go redo some lvols now... GL! You'll need it! Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Spears, Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: 9I RAC corporate standard. Hi, Has anyone started to implement 9I Rac as a corporate standard... IE. many or all the apps being deployed on 9I RAC clusters? We are looking at doing it and wanted to know what other people had as experience in doing it or on the way to attempting it. If so, what hardware platform are you using? HP Itanium or Linux boxes etc? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Hemant K Chitale Oracle 9i Database Administrator Certified Professional My personal web site is : http://hkchital.tripod.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Hemant K Chitale INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line
RE: 9I RAC corporate standard.
I couldn't agree more, after the pains of an initial install (i.e. steep learning curve), I was able to create/re-create a test environment in 1-2 days. That included moving hardware around, setting up the SAN, installing the O/S, patching it, installing 9.2.0.1 rac, then patching that to 9.2.0.4, and finally copy a database from my production system to the new test platform. Darren -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 9iRAC on Tru64 is a breeze. And Tru64 is True Cluster File System. One of the diminishing breed of people still upgrading databases on Tru64 ! Hemant At 03:39 PM 28-10-03 -0800, you wrote: Well, we evaluated 9iRAC on some cheap-o Linux boxes as a proof-of-concept, with the hardware idea based on http://www.bradmark.com/site2/products/pdfs/9irac_config.pdf As far as I'm concerned, RAC's a major pain, unstable and not yet worth the risk -- for us. The idea for us being that we could move a DB or three to this RAC system with a no-cost OS on commodity hardware giving us HA and some load-balancing. I tried installing RHAS 2.1 ($60 duhveloper edition), but it's so old (based on RH7.2) that it couldn't identify our newish hardware (Intel D845 MB). Without a clear path to add kernel mods to allow HW identification, I installed SuSE SLES8. Yipe! Never did get far on that one. Way too many library/kernel issues to consider it. I finally ended up testing on RH9 because it could identify our hardware, I have some familiarity with it, and there are docs on the web (e.g. http://www.puschitz.com) to help get Oracle9i installed on it. I didn't have time to try United Linux, although it does come with a 2.4-19 kernel. Once that was resolved, I wanted to use a filesystem for Oracle, given the limitations of RAW on SCSI under Linux (max 15 partitions), so I downloaded OCFS 1.09. Well, it wouldn't install because of RH9's newer kernel (it was only made to work on RHAS2.1). And when I tried to compile the source, I got errors. So I patched the OCFS source with a modified version of a JFS patch for RH9 and it worked. Unfortunately though, it didn't perform, peaking out at about 1.2MB/s peak throughput and I switched to RAW (40-50 times faster). There's also the ocfstool that you need for monitoring because OCFS only allows contiguous file extents. Veritas is supposed to have a VxFS for Linux as a beta soon... There's not enough room here for me to go over the software install hell to get RAC actually on the systems. And anything Java-based (Installer, DBCA, OEM, etc.) most of the time flat out refused to run without any errors. I thought this was odd considering I didn't have any problem with other non-Oracle Java programs. Finally, when I called in a problem to Oracle Support regarding DBCA, I thought I had a decent tech until I was warned by him that my SHMMAX kernel setting was too high because it was over physical RAM. Also, I've had a helluva time trying to understand the 9iRAC client setup. I haven't found any Oracle docs yet that explain it well. Granted, some/much/all of this is probably because I'm running on an unsupported version of Linux. My problem with that is that it shouldn't freakin matter. With my luck at getting 9.2.0.4 to run on Gentoo, I just might try 9iRAC on there... :) I would *love* to try 9iRAC on OpenVMS. It should be by far the easiest to install and maintain, given the clustering is builtin to the OS. Gotta go redo some lvols now... GL! You'll need it! Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Spears, Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: 9I RAC corporate standard. Hi, Has anyone started to implement 9I Rac as a corporate standard... IE. many or all the apps being deployed on 9I RAC clusters? We are looking at doing it and wanted to know what other people had as experience in doing it or on the way to attempting it. If so, what hardware platform are you using? HP Itanium or Linux boxes etc? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Hemant K Chitale Oracle 9i Database Administrator Certified Professional My personal web
Re: 9I RAC corporate standard.
I tried installing RHAS 2.1 ($60 duhveloper edition), but it's so old (based on RH7.2) that it couldn't identify our newish hardware (Intel D845 MB). Just for the record, Redhat Enterprise Linux 3 is available now. Tanel. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tanel Poder INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: 9I RAC corporate standard.
H...interesting... http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/3/en/os/i386/SRPMS/ Me and a coworker are pondering rolling our own RHASESLESELSESES3 package for RAC testing... Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Tanel Poder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: 9I RAC corporate standard. I tried installing RHAS 2.1 ($60 duhveloper edition), but it's so old (based on RH7.2) that it couldn't identify our newish hardware (Intel D845 MB). Just for the record, Redhat Enterprise Linux 3 is available now. Tanel. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: 9I RAC corporate standard.
At least it has a decent kernel now coming with it (and probably soon supported by Oracle) - 2.4.21. Pls let me know on your success installing it, I'll probably start experimenting with the 64bit version on couple of Itanium boxes (connected to Symmetrix ;) soon. Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:19 PM H...interesting... http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/3/en/os/i386/SRPMS/ Me and a coworker are pondering rolling our own RHASESLESELSESES3 package for RAC testing... Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Tanel Poder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: 9I RAC corporate standard. I tried installing RHAS 2.1 ($60 duhveloper edition), but it's so old (based on RH7.2) that it couldn't identify our newish hardware (Intel D845 MB). Just for the record, Redhat Enterprise Linux 3 is available now. Tanel. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tanel Poder INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: 9I RAC corporate standard.
Well, we evaluated 9iRAC on some cheap-o Linux boxes as a proof-of-concept, with the hardware idea based on http://www.bradmark.com/site2/products/pdfs/9irac_config.pdf As far as I'm concerned, RAC's a major pain, unstable and not yet worth the risk -- for us. The idea for us being that we could move a DB or three to this RAC system with a no-cost OS on commodity hardware giving us HA and some load-balancing. I tried installing RHAS 2.1 ($60 duhveloper edition), but it's so old (based on RH7.2) that it couldn't identify our newish hardware (Intel D845 MB). Without a clear path to add kernel mods to allow HW identification, I installed SuSE SLES8. Yipe! Never did get far on that one. Way too many library/kernel issues to consider it. I finally ended up testing on RH9 because it could identify our hardware, I have some familiarity with it, and there are docs on the web (e.g. http://www.puschitz.com) to help get Oracle9i installed on it. I didn't have time to try United Linux, although it does come with a 2.4-19 kernel. Once that was resolved, I wanted to use a filesystem for Oracle, given the limitations of RAW on SCSI under Linux (max 15 partitions), so I downloaded OCFS 1.09. Well, it wouldn't install because of RH9's newer kernel (it was only made to work on RHAS2.1). And when I tried to compile the source, I got errors. So I patched the OCFS source with a modified version of a JFS patch for RH9 and it worked. Unfortunately though, it didn't perform, peaking out at about 1.2MB/s peak throughput and I switched to RAW (40-50 times faster). There's also the ocfstool that you need for monitoring because OCFS only allows contiguous file extents. Veritas is supposed to have a VxFS for Linux as a beta soon... There's not enough room here for me to go over the software install hell to get RAC actually on the systems. And anything Java-based (Installer, DBCA, OEM, etc.) most of the time flat out refused to run without any errors. I thought this was odd considering I didn't have any problem with other non-Oracle Java programs. Finally, when I called in a problem to Oracle Support regarding DBCA, I thought I had a decent tech until I was warned by him that my SHMMAX kernel setting was too high because it was over physical RAM. Also, I've had a helluva time trying to understand the 9iRAC client setup. I haven't found any Oracle docs yet that explain it well. Granted, some/much/all of this is probably because I'm running on an unsupported version of Linux. My problem with that is that it shouldn't freakin matter. With my luck at getting 9.2.0.4 to run on Gentoo, I just might try 9iRAC on there... :) I would *love* to try 9iRAC on OpenVMS. It should be by far the easiest to install and maintain, given the clustering is builtin to the OS. Gotta go redo some lvols now... GL! You'll need it! Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Spears, Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: 9I RAC corporate standard. Hi, Has anyone started to implement 9I Rac as a corporate standard... IE. many or all the apps being deployed on 9I RAC clusters? We are looking at doing it and wanted to know what other people had as experience in doing it or on the way to attempting it. If so, what hardware platform are you using? HP Itanium or Linux boxes etc? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: 9I RAC corporate standard.
I'm glad you had some energy left to describe your pain getting RAC to work on Linux (specially RHAS developer). I regret every minute of pain I spent trying to do the same! Waleed -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well, we evaluated 9iRAC on some cheap-o Linux boxes as a proof-of-concept, with the hardware idea based on http://www.bradmark.com/site2/products/pdfs/9irac_config.pdf As far as I'm concerned, RAC's a major pain, unstable and not yet worth the risk -- for us. The idea for us being that we could move a DB or three to this RAC system with a no-cost OS on commodity hardware giving us HA and some load-balancing. I tried installing RHAS 2.1 ($60 duhveloper edition), but it's so old (based on RH7.2) that it couldn't identify our newish hardware (Intel D845 MB). Without a clear path to add kernel mods to allow HW identification, I installed SuSE SLES8. Yipe! Never did get far on that one. Way too many library/kernel issues to consider it. I finally ended up testing on RH9 because it could identify our hardware, I have some familiarity with it, and there are docs on the web (e.g. http://www.puschitz.com) to help get Oracle9i installed on it. I didn't have time to try United Linux, although it does come with a 2.4-19 kernel. Once that was resolved, I wanted to use a filesystem for Oracle, given the limitations of RAW on SCSI under Linux (max 15 partitions), so I downloaded OCFS 1.09. Well, it wouldn't install because of RH9's newer kernel (it was only made to work on RHAS2.1). And when I tried to compile the source, I got errors. So I patched the OCFS source with a modified version of a JFS patch for RH9 and it worked. Unfortunately though, it didn't perform, peaking out at about 1.2MB/s peak throughput and I switched to RAW (40-50 times faster). There's also the ocfstool that you need for monitoring because OCFS only allows contiguous file extents. Veritas is supposed to have a VxFS for Linux as a beta soon... There's not enough room here for me to go over the software install hell to get RAC actually on the systems. And anything Java-based (Installer, DBCA, OEM, etc.) most of the time flat out refused to run without any errors. I thought this was odd considering I didn't have any problem with other non-Oracle Java programs. Finally, when I called in a problem to Oracle Support regarding DBCA, I thought I had a decent tech until I was warned by him that my SHMMAX kernel setting was too high because it was over physical RAM. Also, I've had a helluva time trying to understand the 9iRAC client setup. I haven't found any Oracle docs yet that explain it well. Granted, some/much/all of this is probably because I'm running on an unsupported version of Linux. My problem with that is that it shouldn't freakin matter. With my luck at getting 9.2.0.4 to run on Gentoo, I just might try 9iRAC on there... :) I would *love* to try 9iRAC on OpenVMS. It should be by far the easiest to install and maintain, given the clustering is builtin to the OS. Gotta go redo some lvols now... GL! You'll need it! Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Spears, Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: 9I RAC corporate standard. Hi, Has anyone started to implement 9I Rac as a corporate standard... IE. many or all the apps being deployed on 9I RAC clusters? We are looking at doing it and wanted to know what other people had as experience in doing it or on the way to attempting it. If so, what hardware platform are you using? HP Itanium or Linux boxes etc? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Khedr, Waleed INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing:
RE: 9I RAC corporate standard.
We don't have a corporate policy per se, but everything we have ('cept couple of dbs
in the dmz) is RAC. PROD/DEVL/TEST/QA/DEMO etc etc everything same size same config
(except maybe for scaled down SGA etc).
Raj
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