RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache
Here they are touting the benefits of Windows2000 Terminal Server... I discovered that any script / reference to SQL Net causes a TCP protocol error, and you can't copy / paste from a local file to one in the terminal server window. So, we still need a display for every windows2000 server. I don't know if some of the problems have to do with Java via terminal server. I hear Microsoft pulled its Java download page for XP already. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 5:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache Good luck. The "smooth" install is at a grinding halt at the moment, with half the components throwing java exceptions all over the place. Did I mention java sucks? Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210-581-6217 > -Original Message- > From: Freeman, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 3:10 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache > > I will see what I can do. Thanks Scott! > > RF > > Robert G. Freeman - Oracle OCP > Oracle Database Architect > CSX Midtier Database Administration > Author > Oracle9i RMAN Backup and Recovery (Oracle Press - Oct 2002) > Oracle9i New Features (Oracle Press) > Mastering Oracle8i (Sybex) > > Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told you that you're bad luck? > Cousin Eddie: Those were my mother's dying words. But I > guess if your body's covered in third degree burns, and > your foot's caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin' > crazy. > > > > -Original Message- > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 5:29 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Robert, > > After having just fought a battle with iAS 1.0.2.2 do yourself a favor and > get hold of iAS 9.0.2 (latest release). I'm installing 9.0.2 as I type, > and > it seems to be a lot smoother, albeit more bloated and slower - at least > the > install portion. > > Scott Shafer > San Antonio, TX > 210-581-6217 > > > > -----Original Message- > > From: Freeman, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 4:09 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject:RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache > > > > This is Oracle9i Application Server Version 1.0.2.2.3a for NT. > > So, I'm guessing this is iAS. I have a hard enough time keeping > > up with Oracle marketing's changing the names/version of Oracle Net, > > parallel server, and MTS every opportunity they get!! > > > > RF > > > > > > > > Robert G. Freeman - Oracle OCP > > Oracle Database Architect > > CSX Midtier Database Administration > > Author > > Oracle9i RMAN Backup and Recovery (Oracle Press - Oct 2002) > > Oracle9i New Features (Oracle Press) > > Mastering Oracle8i (Sybex) > > > > Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told you that you're bad luck? > > Cousin Eddie: Those were my mother's dying words. But I > > guess if your body's covered in third degree burns, and > > your foot's caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin' > > crazy. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:24 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > It really OAS and not iAS? If it is, you need to upgrade your software. > > There is a published exploit against the version of Apache used by > > Oracle's latest iAS release. Oracle has released a patch which stops > the > > exploit > > > > I have built Oracle web servers for years, but I am now of the mind that > > these things should not be built by DBA's but by webmasters. > > > > I am undecided whether to one should go with iAS or construct your own > > with > > Apache. The mod_plsql module for instance was not created by Oracle. > It > > and things such as forms server and reports server will run against > such > > a > > construction. > > > > However, we were advised last week that the Windows NT machines will be > > converted to XP this year. As a result, I started to look at the 9i > > Internet Developer Suite. About every third line is a statement to the > > effect that the 9i database, 9 iAS, and 9 iDS are made to work together. > >
RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache
Let's not forget the new ".mac" -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thats the problem with technology today I think man, the stacks get more and more complicatedThere is UNIX, NT, IIS, Apache, C, Java, Java Beans, Java Applets, .NET, ASP, XML, EI EI Oh... Oh for the day when one could DBA and develop the most incredible C code and not struggle to understand everything to an expert level. <> RF Robert G. Freeman - Oracle OCP Oracle Database Architect CSX Midtier Database Administration Author Oracle9i RMAN Backup and Recovery (Oracle Press - Oct 2002) Oracle9i New Features (Oracle Press) Mastering Oracle8i (Sybex) Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told you that you're bad luck? Cousin Eddie: Those were my mother's dying words. But I guess if your body's covered in third degree burns, and your foot's caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin' crazy. -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Good luck. The "smooth" install is at a grinding halt at the moment, with half the components throwing java exceptions all over the place. Did I mention java sucks? Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210-581-6217 > -Original Message- > From: Freeman, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 3:10 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache > > I will see what I can do. Thanks Scott! > > RF > > Robert G. Freeman - Oracle OCP > Oracle Database Architect > CSX Midtier Database Administration > Author > Oracle9i RMAN Backup and Recovery (Oracle Press - Oct 2002) > Oracle9i New Features (Oracle Press) > Mastering Oracle8i (Sybex) > > Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told you that you're bad luck? > Cousin Eddie: Those were my mother's dying words. But I > guess if your body's covered in third degree burns, and > your foot's caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin' > crazy. > > > > -Original Message- > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 5:29 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Robert, > > After having just fought a battle with iAS 1.0.2.2 do yourself a favor and > get hold of iAS 9.0.2 (latest release). I'm installing 9.0.2 as I type, > and > it seems to be a lot smoother, albeit more bloated and slower - at least > the > install portion. > > Scott Shafer > San Antonio, TX > 210-581-6217 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Freeman, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 4:09 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject:RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache > > > > This is Oracle9i Application Server Version 1.0.2.2.3a for NT. > > So, I'm guessing this is iAS. I have a hard enough time keeping > > up with Oracle marketing's changing the names/version of Oracle Net, > > parallel server, and MTS every opportunity they get!! > > > > RF > > > > > > > > Robert G. Freeman - Oracle OCP > > Oracle Database Architect > > CSX Midtier Database Administration > > Author > > Oracle9i RMAN Backup and Recovery (Oracle Press - Oct 2002) > > Oracle9i New Features (Oracle Press) > > Mastering Oracle8i (Sybex) > > > > Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told you that you're bad luck? > > Cousin Eddie: Those were my mother's dying words. But I > > guess if your body's covered in third degree burns, and > > your foot's caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin' > > crazy. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:24 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > It really OAS and not iAS? If it is, you need to upgrade your software. > > There is a published exploit against the version of Apache used by > > Oracle's latest iAS release. Oracle has released a patch which stops > the > > exploit > > > > I have built Oracle web servers for years, but I am now of the mind that > > these things should not be built by DBA's but by webmasters. > > > > I am undecided whether to one should go with iAS or construct your own > > with > > Apache. The mod_plsql module for instance was not created by Oracle. > It > > and things such as forms server and reports serv
RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache
Thats the problem with technology today I think man, the stacks get more and more complicatedThere is UNIX, NT, IIS, Apache, C, Java, Java Beans, Java Applets, .NET, ASP, XML, EI EI Oh... Oh for the day when one could DBA and develop the most incredible C code and not struggle to understand everything to an expert level. <> RF Robert G. Freeman - Oracle OCP Oracle Database Architect CSX Midtier Database Administration Author Oracle9i RMAN Backup and Recovery (Oracle Press - Oct 2002) Oracle9i New Features (Oracle Press) Mastering Oracle8i (Sybex) Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told you that you're bad luck? Cousin Eddie: Those were my mother's dying words. But I guess if your body's covered in third degree burns, and your foot's caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin' crazy. -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Good luck. The "smooth" install is at a grinding halt at the moment, with half the components throwing java exceptions all over the place. Did I mention java sucks? Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210-581-6217 > -Original Message- > From: Freeman, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 3:10 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache > > I will see what I can do. Thanks Scott! > > RF > > Robert G. Freeman - Oracle OCP > Oracle Database Architect > CSX Midtier Database Administration > Author > Oracle9i RMAN Backup and Recovery (Oracle Press - Oct 2002) > Oracle9i New Features (Oracle Press) > Mastering Oracle8i (Sybex) > > Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told you that you're bad luck? > Cousin Eddie: Those were my mother's dying words. But I > guess if your body's covered in third degree burns, and > your foot's caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin' > crazy. > > > > -Original Message- > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 5:29 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Robert, > > After having just fought a battle with iAS 1.0.2.2 do yourself a favor and > get hold of iAS 9.0.2 (latest release). I'm installing 9.0.2 as I type, > and > it seems to be a lot smoother, albeit more bloated and slower - at least > the > install portion. > > Scott Shafer > San Antonio, TX > 210-581-6217 > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Freeman, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 4:09 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject:RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache > > > > This is Oracle9i Application Server Version 1.0.2.2.3a for NT. > > So, I'm guessing this is iAS. I have a hard enough time keeping > > up with Oracle marketing's changing the names/version of Oracle Net, > > parallel server, and MTS every opportunity they get!! > > > > RF > > > > > > > > Robert G. Freeman - Oracle OCP > > Oracle Database Architect > > CSX Midtier Database Administration > > Author > > Oracle9i RMAN Backup and Recovery (Oracle Press - Oct 2002) > > Oracle9i New Features (Oracle Press) > > Mastering Oracle8i (Sybex) > > > > Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told you that you're bad luck? > > Cousin Eddie: Those were my mother's dying words. But I > > guess if your body's covered in third degree burns, and > > your foot's caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin' > > crazy. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:24 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > It really OAS and not iAS? If it is, you need to upgrade your software. > > There is a published exploit against the version of Apache used by > > Oracle's latest iAS release. Oracle has released a patch which stops > the > > exploit > > > > I have built Oracle web servers for years, but I am now of the mind that > > these things should not be built by DBA's but by webmasters. > > > > I am undecided whether to one should go with iAS or construct your own > > with > > Apache. The mod_plsql module for instance was not created by Oracle. > It > > and things such as forms server and reports server will run against > such > > a > > construction. > > > > However, we were advised last week that the Windows NT machin
RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache
Good luck. The "smooth" install is at a grinding halt at the moment, with half the components throwing java exceptions all over the place. Did I mention java sucks? Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210-581-6217 > -Original Message- > From: Freeman, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 3:10 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache > > I will see what I can do. Thanks Scott! > > RF > > Robert G. Freeman - Oracle OCP > Oracle Database Architect > CSX Midtier Database Administration > Author > Oracle9i RMAN Backup and Recovery (Oracle Press - Oct 2002) > Oracle9i New Features (Oracle Press) > Mastering Oracle8i (Sybex) > > Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told you that you're bad luck? > Cousin Eddie: Those were my mother's dying words. But I > guess if your body's covered in third degree burns, and > your foot's caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin' > crazy. > > > > -Original Message- > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 5:29 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Robert, > > After having just fought a battle with iAS 1.0.2.2 do yourself a favor and > get hold of iAS 9.0.2 (latest release). I'm installing 9.0.2 as I type, > and > it seems to be a lot smoother, albeit more bloated and slower - at least > the > install portion. > > Scott Shafer > San Antonio, TX > 210-581-6217 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Freeman, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 4:09 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject:RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache > > > > This is Oracle9i Application Server Version 1.0.2.2.3a for NT. > > So, I'm guessing this is iAS. I have a hard enough time keeping > > up with Oracle marketing's changing the names/version of Oracle Net, > > parallel server, and MTS every opportunity they get!! > > > > RF > > > > > > > > Robert G. Freeman - Oracle OCP > > Oracle Database Architect > > CSX Midtier Database Administration > > Author > > Oracle9i RMAN Backup and Recovery (Oracle Press - Oct 2002) > > Oracle9i New Features (Oracle Press) > > Mastering Oracle8i (Sybex) > > > > Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told you that you're bad luck? > > Cousin Eddie: Those were my mother's dying words. But I > > guess if your body's covered in third degree burns, and > > your foot's caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin' > > crazy. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:24 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > It really OAS and not iAS? If it is, you need to upgrade your software. > > There is a published exploit against the version of Apache used by > > Oracle's latest iAS release. Oracle has released a patch which stops > the > > exploit > > > > I have built Oracle web servers for years, but I am now of the mind that > > these things should not be built by DBA's but by webmasters. > > > > I am undecided whether to one should go with iAS or construct your own > > with > > Apache. The mod_plsql module for instance was not created by Oracle. > It > > and things such as forms server and reports server will run against > such > > a > > construction. > > > > However, we were advised last week that the Windows NT machines will be > > converted to XP this year. As a result, I started to look at the 9i > > Internet Developer Suite. About every third line is a statement to the > > effect that the 9i database, 9 iAS, and 9 iDS are made to work together. > > I > > haven't figured out what one is giving up if one builds their own web > > server > > and also installs components for the 9 iAS distribution. Is it just > > convenience? > > > > One reason for giving up the convenience is security. An exploit is > > discovered and possibly published. Apache fixes the problem. If I have > > built my own I can get the patch from Apache and rebuild the web > server. > > If I'm wedded to iAS I need to wait for Oracle to incorporate the patch > > into its offering. This could be a matter days to over a week. However > > weighing-in on the 9 iAS side is the ease of installing a fix. The > Ap
RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache
I will see what I can do. Thanks Scott! RF Robert G. Freeman - Oracle OCP Oracle Database Architect CSX Midtier Database Administration Author Oracle9i RMAN Backup and Recovery (Oracle Press - Oct 2002) Oracle9i New Features (Oracle Press) Mastering Oracle8i (Sybex) Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told you that you're bad luck? Cousin Eddie: Those were my mother's dying words. But I guess if your body's covered in third degree burns, and your foot's caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin' crazy. -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 5:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Robert, After having just fought a battle with iAS 1.0.2.2 do yourself a favor and get hold of iAS 9.0.2 (latest release). I'm installing 9.0.2 as I type, and it seems to be a lot smoother, albeit more bloated and slower - at least the install portion. Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210-581-6217 > -Original Message- > From: Freeman, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 4:09 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache > > This is Oracle9i Application Server Version 1.0.2.2.3a for NT. > So, I'm guessing this is iAS. I have a hard enough time keeping > up with Oracle marketing's changing the names/version of Oracle Net, > parallel server, and MTS every opportunity they get!! > > RF > > > > Robert G. Freeman - Oracle OCP > Oracle Database Architect > CSX Midtier Database Administration > Author > Oracle9i RMAN Backup and Recovery (Oracle Press - Oct 2002) > Oracle9i New Features (Oracle Press) > Mastering Oracle8i (Sybex) > > Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told you that you're bad luck? > Cousin Eddie: Those were my mother's dying words. But I > guess if your body's covered in third degree burns, and > your foot's caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin' > crazy. > > > > -Original Message- > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:24 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > It really OAS and not iAS? If it is, you need to upgrade your software. > There is a published exploit against the version of Apache used by > Oracle's latest iAS release. Oracle has released a patch which stops the > exploit > > I have built Oracle web servers for years, but I am now of the mind that > these things should not be built by DBA's but by webmasters. > > I am undecided whether to one should go with iAS or construct your own > with > Apache. The mod_plsql module for instance was not created by Oracle. It > and things such as forms server and reports server will run against such > a > construction. > > However, we were advised last week that the Windows NT machines will be > converted to XP this year. As a result, I started to look at the 9i > Internet Developer Suite. About every third line is a statement to the > effect that the 9i database, 9 iAS, and 9 iDS are made to work together. > I > haven't figured out what one is giving up if one builds their own web > server > and also installs components for the 9 iAS distribution. Is it just > convenience? > > One reason for giving up the convenience is security. An exploit is > discovered and possibly published. Apache fixes the problem. If I have > built my own I can get the patch from Apache and rebuild the web server. > If I'm wedded to iAS I need to wait for Oracle to incorporate the patch > into its offering. This could be a matter days to over a week. However > weighing-in on the 9 iAS side is the ease of installing a fix. The Apache > fix for the aforementioned problem required a rebuild; you need someone > wise in the ways of make files and such. The 9 iAS fix was a simple file > replacement. > > Ian MacGregor > Stanford Linear Accelerator Center > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:18 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Folks, > > I'm a DBA who is really an old developer at heart. I know a little Java, a > little Asp > (enough, as they say, to be really dangerous!), I used to do C code that > now > makes > my head swim to look at. (I think to myself, what the devil was I doing??) > > Anyway, I've finally found some time and a machine here at work to start > playing with > OAS just to see what it's all about. Anyone have any good suggestions with > regards > to: > > 1. Sites, books, white papers and the like with good install tips, hints, > warnings and the like. > 2.
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I don't think it's deliberate, probably just because products are being rolled out so quickly and the technology is changing. OAS and OWS were different from iAS, they used an Oracle-built (I believe) web server. iAS relies on Apache. As for the change from 1.0 to 9I rel 2 for iAS, probably they are trying to harmonize all the version numbers with the rdbms version. Question: In iAS 9I Rel 2, is there still and 806 Oracle home for the Forms Reports server? Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 2:49 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache (commen All, to my mind this conversation (among people who genuinely take an interest in Oracle products) pretty much demonstrates how confusing Oracle's versioning system is. Does anyone think this is deliberate? Is there any gain to them in confusing customers or is it just incompetence on their part? Opinions? Regards, Mike Hately Oracle DBA -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 July 2002 17:34 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The 9.0.2 differs significantly from the 1.0.2.2 at least for HPUX. Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210-581-6217 > -Original Message- > From: MacGregor, Ian A. [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 10:38 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache > > I believe, about 95% confident, that they are the same. I think Oracle > applications customers receive the the 1.0.2X numbered versions. > > Ian MacGregor > Stanford Linear Accelerator Center > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 7:18 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Now I am confused. Supposedly, I just received the latest 9iAS from > Oracle and its version is 1.0.2.2.2a. Is this 9iAS release 2, 9iAS > release 1.0.2, etc? > > Gene > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/17/02 05:28PM >>> > Robert, > > After having just fought a battle with iAS 1.0.2.2 do yourself a favor and > get hold of iAS 9.0.2 (latest release). I'm installing 9.0.2 as I type, > and > it seems to be a lot smoother, albeit more bloated and slower - at least > the > install portion. > > Scott Shafer > San Antonio, TX > 210-581-6217 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Freeman, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 4:09 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject:RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache > > > > This is Oracle9i Application Server Version 1.0.2.2.3a for NT. > > So, I'm guessing this is iAS. I have a hard enough time keeping > > up with Oracle marketing's changing the names/version of Oracle Net, > > parallel server, and MTS every opportunity they get!! > > > > RF > > > > > > This email and any attached to it are confidential and intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please let us know by telephoning or emailing the sender. You should also delete the email and any attachment from your systems and should not copy the email or any attachment or disclose their content to any other person or entity. The views expressed here are not necessarily those of Churchill Insurance Group plc or its affiliates or subsidiaries. Thank you. Churchill Insurance Group plc. Company Registration Number - 2280426. England. Registered Office: Churchill Court, Westmoreland Road, Bromley, Kent BR1 1DP. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hately Mike INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (li
RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache
Gene, the order as far as memory serves is roughly: Oracle WebServer 2.x Oracle Web Server/Oracle Application Server 3.0.x Oracle Application Server 4.0.x Oracle 9i Application Server 1.0 - 1.0.2.2.2 Oracle 9i Application Server 9.0.2 (Release 2) - 13th May release date I think. There was some confusion in the early days of 9iAS Release 2 over whether it was available and I seem to remember that we had to assure them that "Yes, Release 2 is available, honest!" before they would send it out. There's an advisory for the bug (in Apache - not Oracle's code) and a patch available. Hope this helps, Mike Hately (Oracle DBA) -Original Message- Sent: 18 July 2002 17:34 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have the cds released Feb-02. I received them 2 weeks ago. I would hate to think Oracle had extra's of the old stuff and passed it on :). Will be logging a tar. Thanks, Gene This email and any attached to it are confidential and intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please let us know by telephoning or emailing the sender. You should also delete the email and any attachment from your systems and should not copy the email or any attachment or disclose their content to any other person or entity. The views expressed here are not necessarily those of Churchill Insurance Group plc or its affiliates or subsidiaries. Thank you. Churchill Insurance Group plc. Company Registration Number - 2280426. England. Registered Office: Churchill Court, Westmoreland Road, Bromley, Kent BR1 1DP. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hately Mike INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache (commen
All, to my mind this conversation (among people who genuinely take an interest in Oracle products) pretty much demonstrates how confusing Oracle's versioning system is. Does anyone think this is deliberate? Is there any gain to them in confusing customers or is it just incompetence on their part? Opinions? Regards, Mike Hately Oracle DBA -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 July 2002 17:34 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The 9.0.2 differs significantly from the 1.0.2.2 at least for HPUX. Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210-581-6217 > -Original Message- > From: MacGregor, Ian A. [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 10:38 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache > > I believe, about 95% confident, that they are the same. I think Oracle > applications customers receive the the 1.0.2X numbered versions. > > Ian MacGregor > Stanford Linear Accelerator Center > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 7:18 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Now I am confused. Supposedly, I just received the latest 9iAS from > Oracle and its version is 1.0.2.2.2a. Is this 9iAS release 2, 9iAS > release 1.0.2, etc? > > Gene > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/17/02 05:28PM >>> > Robert, > > After having just fought a battle with iAS 1.0.2.2 do yourself a favor and > get hold of iAS 9.0.2 (latest release). I'm installing 9.0.2 as I type, > and > it seems to be a lot smoother, albeit more bloated and slower - at least > the > install portion. > > Scott Shafer > San Antonio, TX > 210-581-6217 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Freeman, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 4:09 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject:RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache > > > > This is Oracle9i Application Server Version 1.0.2.2.3a for NT. > > So, I'm guessing this is iAS. I have a hard enough time keeping > > up with Oracle marketing's changing the names/version of Oracle Net, > > parallel server, and MTS every opportunity they get!! > > > > RF > > > > > > This email and any attached to it are confidential and intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please let us know by telephoning or emailing the sender. You should also delete the email and any attachment from your systems and should not copy the email or any attachment or disclose their content to any other person or entity. The views expressed here are not necessarily those of Churchill Insurance Group plc or its affiliates or subsidiaries. Thank you. Churchill Insurance Group plc. Company Registration Number - 2280426. England. Registered Office: Churchill Court, Westmoreland Road, Bromley, Kent BR1 1DP. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hately Mike INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache
The 9.0.2 differs significantly from the 1.0.2.2 at least for HPUX. Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210-581-6217 > -Original Message- > From: MacGregor, Ian A. [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 10:38 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache > > I believe, about 95% confident, that they are the same. I think Oracle > applications customers receive the the 1.0.2X numbered versions. > > Ian MacGregor > Stanford Linear Accelerator Center > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 7:18 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Now I am confused. Supposedly, I just received the latest 9iAS from > Oracle and its version is 1.0.2.2.2a. Is this 9iAS release 2, 9iAS > release 1.0.2, etc? > > Gene > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/17/02 05:28PM >>> > Robert, > > After having just fought a battle with iAS 1.0.2.2 do yourself a favor and > get hold of iAS 9.0.2 (latest release). I'm installing 9.0.2 as I type, > and > it seems to be a lot smoother, albeit more bloated and slower - at least > the > install portion. > > Scott Shafer > San Antonio, TX > 210-581-6217 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Freeman, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 4:09 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject:RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache > > > > This is Oracle9i Application Server Version 1.0.2.2.3a for NT. > > So, I'm guessing this is iAS. I have a hard enough time keeping > > up with Oracle marketing's changing the names/version of Oracle Net, > > parallel server, and MTS every opportunity they get!! > > > > RF > > > > > > > > Robert G. Freeman - Oracle OCP > > Oracle Database Architect > > CSX Midtier Database Administration > > Author > > Oracle9i RMAN Backup and Recovery (Oracle Press - Oct 2002) > > Oracle9i New Features (Oracle Press) > > Mastering Oracle8i (Sybex) > > > > Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told you that you're bad luck? > > Cousin Eddie: Those were my mother's dying words. But I > > guess if your body's covered in third degree burns, and > > your foot's caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin' > > crazy. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:24 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > It really OAS and not iAS? If it is, you need to upgrade your software. > > There is a published exploit against the version of Apache used by > > Oracle's latest iAS release. Oracle has released a patch which stops > the > > exploit > > > > I have built Oracle web servers for years, but I am now of the mind that > > these things should not be built by DBA's but by webmasters. > > > > I am undecided whether to one should go with iAS or construct your own > > with > > Apache. The mod_plsql module for instance was not created by Oracle. > It > > and things such as forms server and reports server will run against > such > > a > > construction. > > > > However, we were advised last week that the Windows NT machines will be > > converted to XP this year. As a result, I started to look at the 9i > > Internet Developer Suite. About every third line is a statement to the > > effect that the 9i database, 9 iAS, and 9 iDS are made to work together. > > I > > haven't figured out what one is giving up if one builds their own web > > server > > and also installs components for the 9 iAS distribution. Is it just > > convenience? > > > > One reason for giving up the convenience is security. An exploit is > > discovered and possibly published. Apache fixes the problem. If I have > > built my own I can get the patch from Apache and rebuild the web > server. > > If I'm wedded to iAS I need to wait for Oracle to incorporate the patch > > into its offering. This could be a matter days to over a week. However > > weighing-in on the 9 iAS side is the ease of installing a fix. The > Apache > > fix for the aforementioned problem required a rebuild; you need > someone > > wise in the ways of make files and such. The 9 iAS fix was a simple > file > > replacement. > > > > Ian MacGregor > > Stanford Linear Accelerator
RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache
I have the cds released Feb-02. I received them 2 weeks ago. I would hate to think Oracle had extra's of the old stuff and passed it on :). Will be logging a tar. Thanks, Gene >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/18/02 11:33AM >>> Gene, I dunno anymore. 9.0.2 came out in May '02, according to the cd. Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210-581-6217 > -Original Message- > From: Gene Sais [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 9:18 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache > > Now I am confused. Supposedly, I just received the latest 9iAS from > Oracle and its version is 1.0.2.2.2a. Is this 9iAS release 2, 9iAS > release 1.0.2, etc? > > Gene > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/17/02 05:28PM >>> > Robert, > > After having just fought a battle with iAS 1.0.2.2 do yourself a favor and > get hold of iAS 9.0.2 (latest release). I'm installing 9.0.2 as I type, > and > it seems to be a lot smoother, albeit more bloated and slower - at least > the > install portion. > > Scott Shafer > San Antonio, TX > 210-581-6217 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Freeman, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 4:09 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject:RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache > > > > This is Oracle9i Application Server Version 1.0.2.2.3a for NT. > > So, I'm guessing this is iAS. I have a hard enough time keeping > > up with Oracle marketing's changing the names/version of Oracle Net, > > parallel server, and MTS every opportunity they get!! > > > > RF > > > > > > > > Robert G. Freeman - Oracle OCP > > Oracle Database Architect > > CSX Midtier Database Administration > > Author > > Oracle9i RMAN Backup and Recovery (Oracle Press - Oct 2002) > > Oracle9i New Features (Oracle Press) > > Mastering Oracle8i (Sybex) > > > > Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told you that you're bad luck? > > Cousin Eddie: Those were my mother's dying words. But I > > guess if your body's covered in third degree burns, and > > your foot's caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin' > > crazy. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:24 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > It really OAS and not iAS? If it is, you need to upgrade your software. > > There is a published exploit against the version of Apache used by > > Oracle's latest iAS release. Oracle has released a patch which stops > the > > exploit > > > > I have built Oracle web servers for years, but I am now of the mind that > > these things should not be built by DBA's but by webmasters. > > > > I am undecided whether to one should go with iAS or construct your own > > with > > Apache. The mod_plsql module for instance was not created by Oracle. > It > > and things such as forms server and reports server will run against > such > > a > > construction. > > > > However, we were advised last week that the Windows NT machines will be > > converted to XP this year. As a result, I started to look at the 9i > > Internet Developer Suite. About every third line is a statement to the > > effect that the 9i database, 9 iAS, and 9 iDS are made to work together. > > I > > haven't figured out what one is giving up if one builds their own web > > server > > and also installs components for the 9 iAS distribution. Is it just > > convenience? > > > > One reason for giving up the convenience is security. An exploit is > > discovered and possibly published. Apache fixes the problem. If I have > > built my own I can get the patch from Apache and rebuild the web > server. > > If I'm wedded to iAS I need to wait for Oracle to incorporate the patch > > into its offering. This could be a matter days to over a week. However > > weighing-in on the 9 iAS side is the ease of installing a fix. The > Apache > > fix for the aforementioned problem required a rebuild; you need > someone > > wise in the ways of make files and such. The 9 iAS fix was a simple > file > > replacement. > > > > Ian MacGregor > > Stanford Linear Accelerator Center > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:1
RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache
Sorry Gene, the latest version is 9.0.2. 1.0.2.2.2 was the previous release. Version 9.0.2 is quite different (in respects of install method and hardware requirements at least) so if you're familiar with 9iAS already you might want to evaluate R2 for a while. Or sit tight and let the early adopters flush out the bugs. Cheers, Mike PS Scott, I've had a few battles with 1.0.2.2 but I've found the install for 9.0.2 to be a total pain largely due to the installation instructions which seem at best cryptic and at worst unfinished. Still, I've learned more than I would if it had gone smoothly so I suppose I benefit in the long run. =) -Original Message- Sent: 18 July 2002 15:18 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Now I am confused. Supposedly, I just received the latest 9iAS from Oracle and its version is 1.0.2.2.2a. Is this 9iAS release 2, 9iAS release 1.0.2, etc? Gene >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/17/02 05:28PM >>> Robert, After having just fought a battle with iAS 1.0.2.2 do yourself a favor and get hold of iAS 9.0.2 (latest release). I'm installing 9.0.2 as I type, and it seems to be a lot smoother, albeit more bloated and slower - at least the install portion. Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210-581-6217 This email and any attached to it are confidential and intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please let us know by telephoning or emailing the sender. You should also delete the email and any attachment from your systems and should not copy the email or any attachment or disclose their content to any other person or entity. The views expressed here are not necessarily those of Churchill Insurance Group plc or its affiliates or subsidiaries. Thank you. Churchill Insurance Group plc. Company Registration Number - 2280426. England. Registered Office: Churchill Court, Westmoreland Road, Bromley, Kent BR1 1DP. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hately Mike INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache
I believe, about 95% confident, that they are the same. I think Oracle applications customers receive the the 1.0.2X numbered versions. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 7:18 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Now I am confused. Supposedly, I just received the latest 9iAS from Oracle and its version is 1.0.2.2.2a. Is this 9iAS release 2, 9iAS release 1.0.2, etc? Gene >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/17/02 05:28PM >>> Robert, After having just fought a battle with iAS 1.0.2.2 do yourself a favor and get hold of iAS 9.0.2 (latest release). I'm installing 9.0.2 as I type, and it seems to be a lot smoother, albeit more bloated and slower - at least the install portion. Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210-581-6217 > -Original Message- > From: Freeman, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 4:09 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache > > This is Oracle9i Application Server Version 1.0.2.2.3a for NT. > So, I'm guessing this is iAS. I have a hard enough time keeping > up with Oracle marketing's changing the names/version of Oracle Net, > parallel server, and MTS every opportunity they get!! > > RF > > > > Robert G. Freeman - Oracle OCP > Oracle Database Architect > CSX Midtier Database Administration > Author > Oracle9i RMAN Backup and Recovery (Oracle Press - Oct 2002) > Oracle9i New Features (Oracle Press) > Mastering Oracle8i (Sybex) > > Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told you that you're bad luck? > Cousin Eddie: Those were my mother's dying words. But I > guess if your body's covered in third degree burns, and > your foot's caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin' > crazy. > > > > -Original Message- > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:24 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > It really OAS and not iAS? If it is, you need to upgrade your software. > There is a published exploit against the version of Apache used by > Oracle's latest iAS release. Oracle has released a patch which stops the > exploit > > I have built Oracle web servers for years, but I am now of the mind that > these things should not be built by DBA's but by webmasters. > > I am undecided whether to one should go with iAS or construct your own > with > Apache. The mod_plsql module for instance was not created by Oracle. It > and things such as forms server and reports server will run against such > a > construction. > > However, we were advised last week that the Windows NT machines will be > converted to XP this year. As a result, I started to look at the 9i > Internet Developer Suite. About every third line is a statement to the > effect that the 9i database, 9 iAS, and 9 iDS are made to work together. > I > haven't figured out what one is giving up if one builds their own web > server > and also installs components for the 9 iAS distribution. Is it just > convenience? > > One reason for giving up the convenience is security. An exploit is > discovered and possibly published. Apache fixes the problem. If I have > built my own I can get the patch from Apache and rebuild the web server. > If I'm wedded to iAS I need to wait for Oracle to incorporate the patch > into its offering. This could be a matter days to over a week. However > weighing-in on the 9 iAS side is the ease of installing a fix. The Apache > fix for the aforementioned problem required a rebuild; you need someone > wise in the ways of make files and such. The 9 iAS fix was a simple file > replacement. > > Ian MacGregor > Stanford Linear Accelerator Center > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:18 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Folks, > > I'm a DBA who is really an old developer at heart. I know a little Java, a > little Asp > (enough, as they say, to be really dangerous!), I used to do C code that > now > makes > my head swim to look at. (I think to myself, what the devil was I doing??) > > Anyway, I've finally found some time and a machine here at work to start > playing with > OAS just to see what it's all about. Anyone have any good suggestions with > regards > to: > > 1. Sites, books, white papers and the like with good install tips, hints, > warnings and the like. > 2. Sites, books, white papers and the like Quick getting started tips. > 3. Your own "getting started" experiences of things to do
RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache
Gene, I dunno anymore. 9.0.2 came out in May '02, according to the cd. Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210-581-6217 > -Original Message- > From: Gene Sais [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 9:18 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache > > Now I am confused. Supposedly, I just received the latest 9iAS from > Oracle and its version is 1.0.2.2.2a. Is this 9iAS release 2, 9iAS > release 1.0.2, etc? > > Gene > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/17/02 05:28PM >>> > Robert, > > After having just fought a battle with iAS 1.0.2.2 do yourself a favor and > get hold of iAS 9.0.2 (latest release). I'm installing 9.0.2 as I type, > and > it seems to be a lot smoother, albeit more bloated and slower - at least > the > install portion. > > Scott Shafer > San Antonio, TX > 210-581-6217 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Freeman, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 4:09 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject:RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache > > > > This is Oracle9i Application Server Version 1.0.2.2.3a for NT. > > So, I'm guessing this is iAS. I have a hard enough time keeping > > up with Oracle marketing's changing the names/version of Oracle Net, > > parallel server, and MTS every opportunity they get!! > > > > RF > > > > > > > > Robert G. Freeman - Oracle OCP > > Oracle Database Architect > > CSX Midtier Database Administration > > Author > > Oracle9i RMAN Backup and Recovery (Oracle Press - Oct 2002) > > Oracle9i New Features (Oracle Press) > > Mastering Oracle8i (Sybex) > > > > Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told you that you're bad luck? > > Cousin Eddie: Those were my mother's dying words. But I > > guess if your body's covered in third degree burns, and > > your foot's caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin' > > crazy. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:24 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > It really OAS and not iAS? If it is, you need to upgrade your software. > > There is a published exploit against the version of Apache used by > > Oracle's latest iAS release. Oracle has released a patch which stops > the > > exploit > > > > I have built Oracle web servers for years, but I am now of the mind that > > these things should not be built by DBA's but by webmasters. > > > > I am undecided whether to one should go with iAS or construct your own > > with > > Apache. The mod_plsql module for instance was not created by Oracle. > It > > and things such as forms server and reports server will run against > such > > a > > construction. > > > > However, we were advised last week that the Windows NT machines will be > > converted to XP this year. As a result, I started to look at the 9i > > Internet Developer Suite. About every third line is a statement to the > > effect that the 9i database, 9 iAS, and 9 iDS are made to work together. > > I > > haven't figured out what one is giving up if one builds their own web > > server > > and also installs components for the 9 iAS distribution. Is it just > > convenience? > > > > One reason for giving up the convenience is security. An exploit is > > discovered and possibly published. Apache fixes the problem. If I have > > built my own I can get the patch from Apache and rebuild the web > server. > > If I'm wedded to iAS I need to wait for Oracle to incorporate the patch > > into its offering. This could be a matter days to over a week. However > > weighing-in on the 9 iAS side is the ease of installing a fix. The > Apache > > fix for the aforementioned problem required a rebuild; you need > someone > > wise in the ways of make files and such. The 9 iAS fix was a simple > file > > replacement. > > > > Ian MacGregor > > Stanford Linear Accelerator Center > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:18 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > Folks, > > > > I'm a DBA who is really an old developer at heart. I know a little Java, > a > > little Asp > > (enough, as they say, to
RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache
Now I am confused. Supposedly, I just received the latest 9iAS from Oracle and its version is 1.0.2.2.2a. Is this 9iAS release 2, 9iAS release 1.0.2, etc? Gene >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/17/02 05:28PM >>> Robert, After having just fought a battle with iAS 1.0.2.2 do yourself a favor and get hold of iAS 9.0.2 (latest release). I'm installing 9.0.2 as I type, and it seems to be a lot smoother, albeit more bloated and slower - at least the install portion. Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210-581-6217 > -Original Message- > From: Freeman, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 4:09 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache > > This is Oracle9i Application Server Version 1.0.2.2.3a for NT. > So, I'm guessing this is iAS. I have a hard enough time keeping > up with Oracle marketing's changing the names/version of Oracle Net, > parallel server, and MTS every opportunity they get!! > > RF > > > > Robert G. Freeman - Oracle OCP > Oracle Database Architect > CSX Midtier Database Administration > Author > Oracle9i RMAN Backup and Recovery (Oracle Press - Oct 2002) > Oracle9i New Features (Oracle Press) > Mastering Oracle8i (Sybex) > > Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told you that you're bad luck? > Cousin Eddie: Those were my mother's dying words. But I > guess if your body's covered in third degree burns, and > your foot's caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin' > crazy. > > > > -Original Message- > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:24 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > It really OAS and not iAS? If it is, you need to upgrade your software. > There is a published exploit against the version of Apache used by > Oracle's latest iAS release. Oracle has released a patch which stops the > exploit > > I have built Oracle web servers for years, but I am now of the mind that > these things should not be built by DBA's but by webmasters. > > I am undecided whether to one should go with iAS or construct your own > with > Apache. The mod_plsql module for instance was not created by Oracle. It > and things such as forms server and reports server will run against such > a > construction. > > However, we were advised last week that the Windows NT machines will be > converted to XP this year. As a result, I started to look at the 9i > Internet Developer Suite. About every third line is a statement to the > effect that the 9i database, 9 iAS, and 9 iDS are made to work together. > I > haven't figured out what one is giving up if one builds their own web > server > and also installs components for the 9 iAS distribution. Is it just > convenience? > > One reason for giving up the convenience is security. An exploit is > discovered and possibly published. Apache fixes the problem. If I have > built my own I can get the patch from Apache and rebuild the web server. > If I'm wedded to iAS I need to wait for Oracle to incorporate the patch > into its offering. This could be a matter days to over a week. However > weighing-in on the 9 iAS side is the ease of installing a fix. The Apache > fix for the aforementioned problem required a rebuild; you need someone > wise in the ways of make files and such. The 9 iAS fix was a simple file > replacement. > > Ian MacGregor > Stanford Linear Accelerator Center > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:18 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Folks, > > I'm a DBA who is really an old developer at heart. I know a little Java, a > little Asp > (enough, as they say, to be really dangerous!), I used to do C code that > now > makes > my head swim to look at. (I think to myself, what the devil was I doing??) > > Anyway, I've finally found some time and a machine here at work to start > playing with > OAS just to see what it's all about. Anyone have any good suggestions with > regards > to: > > 1. Sites, books, white papers and the like with good install tips, hints, > warnings and the like. > 2. Sites, books, white papers and the like Quick getting started tips. > 3. Your own "getting started" experiences of things to do or not to do. > 5. Anything I should do before I mess with OAS. > > Optimistically hopeful that this will all just go really smooth and I'll > have a cool > web page that I can bring up soon! > > RF > > Robert G. Freeman - Oracle OCP > Oracle Database Architect > C
RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache
Robert, After having just fought a battle with iAS 1.0.2.2 do yourself a favor and get hold of iAS 9.0.2 (latest release). I'm installing 9.0.2 as I type, and it seems to be a lot smoother, albeit more bloated and slower - at least the install portion. Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210-581-6217 > -Original Message- > From: Freeman, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 4:09 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache > > This is Oracle9i Application Server Version 1.0.2.2.3a for NT. > So, I'm guessing this is iAS. I have a hard enough time keeping > up with Oracle marketing's changing the names/version of Oracle Net, > parallel server, and MTS every opportunity they get!! > > RF > > > > Robert G. Freeman - Oracle OCP > Oracle Database Architect > CSX Midtier Database Administration > Author > Oracle9i RMAN Backup and Recovery (Oracle Press - Oct 2002) > Oracle9i New Features (Oracle Press) > Mastering Oracle8i (Sybex) > > Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told you that you're bad luck? > Cousin Eddie: Those were my mother's dying words. But I > guess if your body's covered in third degree burns, and > your foot's caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin' > crazy. > > > > -Original Message- > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:24 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > It really OAS and not iAS? If it is, you need to upgrade your software. > There is a published exploit against the version of Apache used by > Oracle's latest iAS release. Oracle has released a patch which stops the > exploit > > I have built Oracle web servers for years, but I am now of the mind that > these things should not be built by DBA's but by webmasters. > > I am undecided whether to one should go with iAS or construct your own > with > Apache. The mod_plsql module for instance was not created by Oracle. It > and things such as forms server and reports server will run against such > a > construction. > > However, we were advised last week that the Windows NT machines will be > converted to XP this year. As a result, I started to look at the 9i > Internet Developer Suite. About every third line is a statement to the > effect that the 9i database, 9 iAS, and 9 iDS are made to work together. > I > haven't figured out what one is giving up if one builds their own web > server > and also installs components for the 9 iAS distribution. Is it just > convenience? > > One reason for giving up the convenience is security. An exploit is > discovered and possibly published. Apache fixes the problem. If I have > built my own I can get the patch from Apache and rebuild the web server. > If I'm wedded to iAS I need to wait for Oracle to incorporate the patch > into its offering. This could be a matter days to over a week. However > weighing-in on the 9 iAS side is the ease of installing a fix. The Apache > fix for the aforementioned problem required a rebuild; you need someone > wise in the ways of make files and such. The 9 iAS fix was a simple file > replacement. > > Ian MacGregor > Stanford Linear Accelerator Center > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:18 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Folks, > > I'm a DBA who is really an old developer at heart. I know a little Java, a > little Asp > (enough, as they say, to be really dangerous!), I used to do C code that > now > makes > my head swim to look at. (I think to myself, what the devil was I doing??) > > Anyway, I've finally found some time and a machine here at work to start > playing with > OAS just to see what it's all about. Anyone have any good suggestions with > regards > to: > > 1. Sites, books, white papers and the like with good install tips, hints, > warnings and the like. > 2. Sites, books, white papers and the like Quick getting started tips. > 3. Your own "getting started" experiences of things to do or not to do. > 5. Anything I should do before I mess with OAS. > > Optimistically hopeful that this will all just go really smooth and I'll > have a cool > web page that I can bring up soon! > > RF > > Robert G. Freeman - Oracle OCP > Oracle Database Architect > CSX Midtier Database Administration > Author > Oracle9i RMAN Backup and Recovery (Oracle Press - Oct 2002) > Oracle9i New Features (Oracle Press) > Mastering Oracle8i (Sybex) > > Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told
RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache
This is Oracle9i Application Server Version 1.0.2.2.3a for NT. So, I'm guessing this is iAS. I have a hard enough time keeping up with Oracle marketing's changing the names/version of Oracle Net, parallel server, and MTS every opportunity they get!! RF Robert G. Freeman - Oracle OCP Oracle Database Architect CSX Midtier Database Administration Author Oracle9i RMAN Backup and Recovery (Oracle Press - Oct 2002) Oracle9i New Features (Oracle Press) Mastering Oracle8i (Sybex) Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told you that you're bad luck? Cousin Eddie: Those were my mother's dying words. But I guess if your body's covered in third degree burns, and your foot's caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin' crazy. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L It really OAS and not iAS? If it is, you need to upgrade your software. There is a published exploit against the version of Apache used by Oracle's latest iAS release. Oracle has released a patch which stops the exploit I have built Oracle web servers for years, but I am now of the mind that these things should not be built by DBA's but by webmasters. I am undecided whether to one should go with iAS or construct your own with Apache. The mod_plsql module for instance was not created by Oracle. It and things such as forms server and reports server will run against such a construction. However, we were advised last week that the Windows NT machines will be converted to XP this year. As a result, I started to look at the 9i Internet Developer Suite. About every third line is a statement to the effect that the 9i database, 9 iAS, and 9 iDS are made to work together. I haven't figured out what one is giving up if one builds their own web server and also installs components for the 9 iAS distribution. Is it just convenience? One reason for giving up the convenience is security. An exploit is discovered and possibly published. Apache fixes the problem. If I have built my own I can get the patch from Apache and rebuild the web server. If I'm wedded to iAS I need to wait for Oracle to incorporate the patch into its offering. This could be a matter days to over a week. However weighing-in on the 9 iAS side is the ease of installing a fix. The Apache fix for the aforementioned problem required a rebuild; you need someone wise in the ways of make files and such. The 9 iAS fix was a simple file replacement. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:18 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Folks, I'm a DBA who is really an old developer at heart. I know a little Java, a little Asp (enough, as they say, to be really dangerous!), I used to do C code that now makes my head swim to look at. (I think to myself, what the devil was I doing??) Anyway, I've finally found some time and a machine here at work to start playing with OAS just to see what it's all about. Anyone have any good suggestions with regards to: 1. Sites, books, white papers and the like with good install tips, hints, warnings and the like. 2. Sites, books, white papers and the like Quick getting started tips. 3. Your own "getting started" experiences of things to do or not to do. 5. Anything I should do before I mess with OAS. Optimistically hopeful that this will all just go really smooth and I'll have a cool web page that I can bring up soon! RF Robert G. Freeman - Oracle OCP Oracle Database Architect CSX Midtier Database Administration Author Oracle9i RMAN Backup and Recovery (Oracle Press - Oct 2002) Oracle9i New Features (Oracle Press) Mastering Oracle8i (Sybex) Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told you that you're bad luck? Cousin Eddie: Those were my mother's dying words. But I guess if your body's covered in third degree burns, and your foot's caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin' crazy. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Freeman, Robert INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: MacGregor, Ian A. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To R
RE: A DBA looks at OAS | IAS vs. Locally-built Apache
It really OAS and not iAS? If it is, you need to upgrade your software. There is a published exploit against the version of Apache used by Oracle's latest iAS release. Oracle has released a patch which stops the exploit I have built Oracle web servers for years, but I am now of the mind that these things should not be built by DBA's but by webmasters. I am undecided whether to one should go with iAS or construct your own with Apache. The mod_plsql module for instance was not created by Oracle. It and things such as forms server and reports server will run against such a construction. However, we were advised last week that the Windows NT machines will be converted to XP this year. As a result, I started to look at the 9i Internet Developer Suite. About every third line is a statement to the effect that the 9i database, 9 iAS, and 9 iDS are made to work together. I haven't figured out what one is giving up if one builds their own web server and also installs components for the 9 iAS distribution. Is it just convenience? One reason for giving up the convenience is security. An exploit is discovered and possibly published. Apache fixes the problem. If I have built my own I can get the patch from Apache and rebuild the web server. If I'm wedded to iAS I need to wait for Oracle to incorporate the patch into its offering. This could be a matter days to over a week. However weighing-in on the 9 iAS side is the ease of installing a fix. The Apache fix for the aforementioned problem required a rebuild; you need someone wise in the ways of make files and such. The 9 iAS fix was a simple file replacement. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:18 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Folks, I'm a DBA who is really an old developer at heart. I know a little Java, a little Asp (enough, as they say, to be really dangerous!), I used to do C code that now makes my head swim to look at. (I think to myself, what the devil was I doing??) Anyway, I've finally found some time and a machine here at work to start playing with OAS just to see what it's all about. Anyone have any good suggestions with regards to: 1. Sites, books, white papers and the like with good install tips, hints, warnings and the like. 2. Sites, books, white papers and the like Quick getting started tips. 3. Your own "getting started" experiences of things to do or not to do. 5. Anything I should do before I mess with OAS. Optimistically hopeful that this will all just go really smooth and I'll have a cool web page that I can bring up soon! RF Robert G. Freeman - Oracle OCP Oracle Database Architect CSX Midtier Database Administration Author Oracle9i RMAN Backup and Recovery (Oracle Press - Oct 2002) Oracle9i New Features (Oracle Press) Mastering Oracle8i (Sybex) Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told you that you're bad luck? Cousin Eddie: Those were my mother's dying words. But I guess if your body's covered in third degree burns, and your foot's caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin' crazy. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Freeman, Robert INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: MacGregor, Ian A. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
