RE: Any good product / option for Source code control
Cary, You recall correctly, just checked the website and it's distributed under the GPL with no costs mentioned. There are also a number of other interesting utilities for download also under the GPL. Cheers, Chris Dunscombe Quoting Cary Millsap [EMAIL PROTECTED]: WinCVS has worked well for us and several of our friends. www.wincvs.org If I recall correctly, it's free. Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com Upcoming events: - Performance Diagnosis 101: 1/27 Atlanta - SQL Optimization 101: 2/16 Dallas - Hotsos Symposium 2004: March 7-10 Dallas - Visit www.hotsos.com for schedule details... -Original Message- M Rafiq Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 12:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Env: Windows 2000/NT/HP-UX/Solaris/Linux Oracle Databases: 7.3 to 9.2.0.4 I am looking for any good product/option for centralized source code control. Any pointer or experiences shall be appreciated. Regards Rafiq _ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger - learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Cary Millsap INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Chris Dunscombe [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Any good product / option for Source code control
Carry, Thanks for your input. I really got good response. Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:29:37 -0800 WinCVS has worked well for us and several of our friends. www.wincvs.org If I recall correctly, it's free. Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com Upcoming events: - Performance Diagnosis 101: 1/27 Atlanta - SQL Optimization 101: 2/16 Dallas - Hotsos Symposium 2004: March 7-10 Dallas - Visit www.hotsos.com for schedule details... -Original Message- M Rafiq Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 12:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Env: Windows 2000/NT/HP-UX/Solaris/Linux Oracle Databases: 7.3 to 9.2.0.4 I am looking for any good product/option for centralized source code control. Any pointer or experiences shall be appreciated. Regards Rafiq _ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger - learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Cary Millsap INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Any good product / option for Source code control
I like Visual Source Safe. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 4:19 PM Carry, Thanks for your input. I really got good response. Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:29:37 -0800 WinCVS has worked well for us and several of our friends. www.wincvs.org If I recall correctly, it's free. Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com Upcoming events: - Performance Diagnosis 101: 1/27 Atlanta - SQL Optimization 101: 2/16 Dallas - Hotsos Symposium 2004: March 7-10 Dallas - Visit www.hotsos.com for schedule details... -Original Message- M Rafiq Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 12:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Env: Windows 2000/NT/HP-UX/Solaris/Linux Oracle Databases: 7.3 to 9.2.0.4 I am looking for any good product/option for centralized source code control. Any pointer or experiences shall be appreciated. Regards Rafiq _ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger - learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Cary Millsap INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: eric king INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Any good product / option for Source code control
Source Safe Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 1:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Env: Windows 2000/NT/HP-UX/Solaris/Linux Oracle Databases: 7.3 to 9.2.0.4 I am looking for any good product/option for centralized source code control. Any pointer or experiences shall be appreciated. Regards Rafiq _ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger - learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Any good product / option for Source code control
PVCS http://www.softlanding.com/merant/vm.htm I used this back when it was Intersolv that owned it. One useful thing about it was that the command line interface was well implemented so scripts to automate check in, check out, software builds, etc. could be written (and were written). -Original Message- I am looking for any good product/option for centralized source code control. Any pointer or experiences shall be appreciated. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Any good product / option for Source code control
We use PVCS ... oracle has SCM product ... if you intend to use source control for Forms/Reports etc, then I'd recommend Oracle SCM. Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art ! -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 1:49 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Source Safe Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 1:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Env: Windows 2000/NT/HP-UX/Solaris/Linux Oracle Databases: 7.3 to 9.2.0.4 I am looking for any good product/option for centralized source code control. Any pointer or experiences shall be appreciated. Regards Rafiq _ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger - learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). ** This e-mail message is confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please immediately notify corporate MIS at (860) 766-2000 and delete this e-mail message from your computer, Thank you. **4 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jamadagni, Rajendra INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Any good product / option for Source code control
Would it be lame if I suggested rcs or cvs? Those tools are standard. On 01/07/2004 01:49:26 PM, Goulet, Dick wrote: Source Safe Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 1:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Env: Windows 2000/NT/HP-UX/Solaris/Linux Oracle Databases: 7.3 to 9.2.0.4 I am looking for any good product/option for centralized source code control. Any pointer or experiences shall be appreciated. Regards Rafiq _ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger - learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Any good product / option for Source code control
Hi All, Thanks for all your replies. Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:04:40 -0800 PVCS http://www.softlanding.com/merant/vm.htm I used this back when it was Intersolv that owned it. One useful thing about it was that the command line interface was well implemented so scripts to automate check in, check out, software builds, etc. could be written (and were written). -Original Message- I am looking for any good product/option for centralized source code control. Any pointer or experiences shall be appreciated. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Any good product / option for Source code control
WinCVS has worked well for us and several of our friends. www.wincvs.org If I recall correctly, it's free. Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com Upcoming events: - Performance Diagnosis 101: 1/27 Atlanta - SQL Optimization 101: 2/16 Dallas - Hotsos Symposium 2004: March 7-10 Dallas - Visit www.hotsos.com for schedule details... -Original Message- M Rafiq Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 12:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Env: Windows 2000/NT/HP-UX/Solaris/Linux Oracle Databases: 7.3 to 9.2.0.4 I am looking for any good product/option for centralized source code control. Any pointer or experiences shall be appreciated. Regards Rafiq _ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger - learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Cary Millsap INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Any good product / option for Source code control
PVCS is a nice tool, especially when combined with PVCSTracker for change management. VSS (Visual SourceSafe) and PVCS offer similar capabilities when compared side-by-side. PVCS has an (optional) promotion model that VSS doesn't have (although VSS Labels can 'fake' it). Both tools have a command line capability contrary to Steven's note. PVCS has an API that is callable from 'roll-your-own' tools which is fairly cool of you want to write a lot of C/C++ code. VSS on the other hand has an exposed API that is callable from VBScript as an Active-X objectso that you can automate pushes through Active Server Pages and the like (been there..done that!). They're both nice toolsbut they're just _tools_ . You need to figure out how to best use them before you roll them out. HTH Jeff Herrick On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PVCS http://www.softlanding.com/merant/vm.htm I used this back when it was Intersolv that owned it. One useful thing about it was that the command line interface was well implemented so scripts to automate check in, check out, software builds, etc. could be written (and were written). -Original Message- I am looking for any good product/option for centralized source code control. Any pointer or experiences shall be appreciated. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jeff Herrick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Any good product / option for Source code control
Contrary to what note, Jeph? -Original Message- Both tools have a command line capability contrary to Steven's note. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Any good product / option for Source code control
Stephen, I stand correctedyour note never said anything about what PVCS could do that VSS could not do; it was only saying that PVCS _had_ a command-line option. I mis-interpreted it as a comparision since my own mind was already comparing the 2 tools =8-/ Cheers JH On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contrary to what note, Jeph? -Original Message- Both tools have a command line capability contrary to Steven's note. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jeff Herrick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).