RE: Deployment of Oracle Client
Title: RE: Deployment of Oracle Client > -Original Message- > From: Jim Conboy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: lundi, 12. mars 2001 10:27 > > > How do most organizations deploy sqlnet client to a large > user base? We've currently got hundreds, maybe thousands of > users with various versions of the client installed on their > desktop. We're also about to roll out Windows 2000 to a > large percentage of these users. In testing we've determined > that earlier desupported client versions (7.3.4 and such) > seem to work on W2K with the apps currently deployed. I'm > not happy with a "cross your fingers and hope" approach and > have been pushing to get most users up to 8i as a client. > Ideally I'd like to have something the users can download and > install from the intranet. In searching technet downloads > all I find is the entire bloated 200MB Oracle Client as a > download - much too big for our remote users to download and > install. All I want is the Net8 pieces I'd need for > sqlworksheet, or TOAD, or an ODBC connection, so that the > download and install time would be within reason. Anybody > have suggestions? How are people on this list deploying > Oracle apps to many users? Thanks. At the companies I've worked, we have used two different methods: a) For every new PC, have PC support people install SQL*Net from the Oracle CD - though I think sometimes they might just do a full disk copy from a startup disk on an identical system, not 100% sure about that b) Have a log created by Oracle Installer and copy the actions performed by that log to create a WISE installation script. One of my colleagues did this at a previous company but had to change the WISE installation script several times because the Oracle Installer may not install some .DLLs if they are already present on the PC. e.g. if I remember correctly CTL3D.DLL was one that was missing from the WISE script because on our sample run it wasn't installed, but if it was missing from the PC the installer would copy it over. c) There's also talk of a "silent" install but I think that was with older versions of the Oracle Installer. I don't know where the "silent" install is documented. -- any ignorant comments made are the sole responsibility of J. R. Kilchoer and should not reflect adversely upon my employer. Jacques R. Kilchoer (949) 754-8816 Quest Software, Inc. 8001 Irvine Center Drive Irvine, California 92618 U.S.A. http://www.quest.com
RE: Deployment of Oracle Client
Title: RE: Deployment of Oracle Client We install the Oracle runtimes (both SQLnet and Forms/Reports runtime installs) on a shared network drive, same as you would on a client. Easiest is to do it from a "clean" PC with no previous Oracle installs. Once the network install is done, export the local machine's HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/ORACLE registry branch to an external registry file. We call ours ORACLE.REG. You can edit that file with a text editor to view it or make additions ... FORMS library paths, Forms icon paths, etc., whatever. Make sure you also have current versions of TNSNAMES.ORA, etc. in the correct directories of your network install. Basically, this needs to be a complete ORACLE_HOME ... everything that might otherwise go in the client ORAWIN95 or ORANT directory. E-Mail the ORACLE.REG file to the user and have them double-click it. It will create the Oracle network registry entries on their PC. This lets them run SQLNet from the network drive as well. As long as they have an Oracle login, they're good to go at this point. Most of our Forms amd Reports are launched from a single "clearinghouse" Oracle form. It populates listboxes containing the products the user has access to, based on a security table. They select the form or report and the form runs the product from there. So as long as the user has the icon for that master form on their desktop, they don't need any other local installs. We usually e-mail the icon to them and ask them to drag it to their desktops. For users that aren't confident in doing that, we do it for them. All the icon paths point to the Oracle Forms runtimes that we installed above. If our network drive is M:, and our network Oracle install was to M:\ORACLE\ORAWIN, an example for a form would be: M:\ORACLE\ORAWIN\BIN\ifrun60.EXE M:\oracle\gazmis\prod60\exe\retention.fmx So our steps to set up a PC user for Oracle access are: 1. Create their Oracle login(s). 2. Email them the ORACLE.REG file to point all their Oracle paths to the network install. 3. Email them the icon needed to run the "clearinghouse" form. We've found that 90% of the users have no problem doing the e-mail install, as long as the e-mail instructions are very clear and concise. So that's 90% of the PCs we never have to visit. We haven't noticed any network load issues caused by having the Oracle install and Forms/Reports executables on a network drive. But then, we're only at a few hundred client machines. I'm sure I skipped some details, but this might point you in the right direction. If anything isn't clear, you can follow up with me in e-mail if you'd like. Dave Schmoldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gazette Communications Cedar Rapids, IA -Original Message-From: Jacques Kilchoer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 4:46 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Deployment of Oracle Client > -Original Message- > From: Jim Conboy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: lundi, 12. mars 2001 10:27 > > > How do most organizations deploy sqlnet client to a large > user base? We've currently got hundreds, maybe thousands of > users with various versions of the client installed on their > desktop. We're also about to roll out Windows 2000 to a > large percentage of these users. In testing we've determined > that earlier desupported client versions (7.3.4 and such) > seem to work on W2K with the apps currently deployed. I'm > not happy with a "cross your fingers and hope" approach and > have been pushing to get most users up to 8i as a client. > Ideally I'd like to have something the users can download and > install from the intranet. In searching technet downloads > all I find is the entire bloated 200MB Oracle Client as a > download - much too big for our remote users to download and > install. All I want is the Net8 pieces I'd need for > sqlworksheet, or TOAD, or an ODBC connection, so that the > download and install time would be within reason. Anybody > have suggestions? How are people on this list deploying > Oracle apps to many users? Thanks. At the companies I've worked, we have used two different methods: a) For every new PC, have PC support people install SQL*Net from the Oracle CD - though I think sometimes they might just do a full disk copy from a startup disk on an identical system, not 100% sure about that b) Have a log created by Oracle Installer and copy the actions performed by that log to create a WISE installation script. One of my colleagues did this at a previous company but had to change the WISE installation script several times because the Oracle
Re: Deployment of Oracle Client
CAUTION - only theory and heuristical speculation If you're not using only Win32, another method is to separate the registry part from the file system part. Various 3rd party tools take a "diff" of the registry before and after the install of a piece of software. This more or less allows for a tar of the installed files to be deployed on the next victim, with a re-run of the registry changes to install the application as far as windows in concerned. Here's 2 example utilities: http://www2.winsite.com/bin/Info?1373 http://www.softseek.com/Utilities/Registry_Editors_and_Utilities/Review_31462_index.html Ideally, the utility should prepare the registry script to regenerate the diff, from prior to post install. Any more thoughts about using response files? hth, Paul "Sam P. Roberts (ZADCO ITIS)" wrote: > > The way we did it to 2000 users without a hitch. > You dont need to install full client, only sqlnet or net8 (approx 28meg). > We use Novell launcher. Take a snapshot on one machine, then novell > automatically launches it to all clients.There should be similar products to > this.(I think SMS by Microsoft). We have a constantly changing environment > whereby the applications are updated,we use this method to update all local > machines,and it works a dream. This is for now as we have a mixture of fat > client and browser based. > > Sam > > -Original Message- > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 10:27 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > How do most organizations deploy sqlnet client to a large user base? We've > currently got hundreds, maybe thousands of users with various versions of > the client installed on their desktop. We're also about to roll out Windows > 2000 to a large percentage of these users. In testing we've determined that > earlier desupported client versions (7.3.4 and such) seem to work on W2K > with the apps currently deployed. I'm not happy with a "cross your fingers > and hope" approach and have been pushing to get most users up to 8i as a > client. Ideally I'd like to have something the users can download and > install from the intranet. In searching technet downloads all I find is the > entire bloated 200MB Oracle Client as a download - much too big for our > remote users to download and install. All I want is the Net8 pieces I'd > need for sqlworksheet, or TOAD, or an ODBC connection, so that the download > and install time would be within reason. Anybody have suggestions? How are > people on this list deploying Oracle apps to many users? Thanks. > > Jim > > -- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paul Drake INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Deployment of Oracle Client
The way we did it to 2000 users without a hitch. You dont need to install full client, only sqlnet or net8 (approx 28meg). We use Novell launcher. Take a snapshot on one machine, then novell automatically launches it to all clients.There should be similar products to this.(I think SMS by Microsoft). We have a constantly changing environment whereby the applications are updated,we use this method to update all local machines,and it works a dream. This is for now as we have a mixture of fat client and browser based. Sam -Original Message- Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 10:27 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L How do most organizations deploy sqlnet client to a large user base? We've currently got hundreds, maybe thousands of users with various versions of the client installed on their desktop. We're also about to roll out Windows 2000 to a large percentage of these users. In testing we've determined that earlier desupported client versions (7.3.4 and such) seem to work on W2K with the apps currently deployed. I'm not happy with a "cross your fingers and hope" approach and have been pushing to get most users up to 8i as a client. Ideally I'd like to have something the users can download and install from the intranet. In searching technet downloads all I find is the entire bloated 200MB Oracle Client as a download - much too big for our remote users to download and install. All I want is the Net8 pieces I'd need for sqlworksheet, or TOAD, or an ODBC connection, so that the download and install time would be within reason. Anybody have suggestions? How are people on this list deploying Oracle apps to many users? Thanks. Jim -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jim Conboy INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sam P. Roberts (ZADCO ITIS) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
