RE: ER Tools (was: erwin)
SDesigner became PowerDesigner when Sybase bought/rebranded things. There's an open source product I've been testing ... DBDesigner by fabForce. Not too bad, but I haven't really stretched it so far. www.fabforce.net Ciao Fuzzy :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Luis deUrioste Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 22:19 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: ER Tools (was: erwin) There was a Tool I used in the past, Sdesigner, simple to use. Also if all you need is an older version of Designer, what you could always do is buy one of the books that bundle with a copy of developer 2.1 or 6i. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 1:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Anyone care to ballpark a $$$ on the registered version of ERwin? I'm guessing it's expensive, and Computer ASSociates doesn't exactly trip my trigger. I'm trying to find a low-cost ER tool in order to get some simple data modeling done. So far, this is what I've found (VERY briefly): 1) Visio. Needs Enterprise edition. The UI is a pain, as far as I'm concerned. Pain, pain, pain. Cheapest viable option so far at less than $500/user. It can be used for more than just data modeling. 2) Oracle 9iDS. Hugely bloated. Relies on a 3GB (minimum) repository for some stupid reason. Apparently can't buy just Designer, which is all we need. Difficult to get started (concepts and management of workspace, container). Slow on a 2.4Ghz PC w/512MB RAM, although this may be due to me having to create the [EMAIL PROTECTED] repository DB on the same PC. Very comprehensive, though, from what I've seen. Can't access drawings from the OS, since they're (probably) in the repository. 3) No freeware tools such as dia, VisioModeler (pre-MS version of Visio), OpenOffice, or Koffice seemed to be able to draw crow's foot diagrams. 4) Sybase PowerBuilder. Didn't check out the download yet, although a demo of an older version (v6) seems like it would work. Not impressed with Sybase in general and it's probably in the $1Ks/user. 5) Data Architect from TheKompany.com only does physical modelling and their Kivio product doesn't seem to support crow's foot. 6) DeZign from datanamic.com. Haven't downloaded the demo yet, but the single screenshot looks promising. And at $149/user or $119/user for 10 licenses, I'm hoping... I've been looking thru past messages found on orafaq.com (better searching than fatcity.com) and this is the majority of what I've been able to find. Anyone have more to add? Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Jay Wade [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 9:49 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: erwin hello: The below has info about the product: http://www3.ca.com/Solutions/Product.asp?ID=260 The below has the download link: http://www3.ca.com/Solutions/Collateral.asp?CID=33655ID=260 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: erwin Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 04:54:25 -0800 How can I found a trial version of erwin Danke... Arslan. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Luis deUrioste INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Grant Allen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting
RE: ER Tools (was: erwin)
D'oh! Sorry, I got my Power products mixed up. Yes, it is PowerDesigner. We (unfortunately) use PowerHouse -- a whole different topic... :) Thanks, Dennis! Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Meng, Dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 5:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: ER Tools (was: erwin) I asked CA a sales rep couple of months ago regarding the pricing for ERwin. If memory serves me correctly, it was in the neighborhood of 3 to 5k per user license. Also, I worked briefly with Sybase Power Designer and think it is fairly impressive. Or maybe it has been incorporated into PowerBuilder as no. 4 on your list? Embarcadero ER Studio is another serious contender in this arena, you might want to check it out. I don't know how much it costs, but I don't think its that expensive. Dennis -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: ER Tools (was: erwin)
Interesting tool, complete with reverse-engineering, and it's GPL'd. I'd really like it if it did crow's foot, though. But the website does say to use the big ER tools for conceptual modeling. Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Grant Allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 3:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: ER Tools (was: erwin) SDesigner became PowerDesigner when Sybase bought/rebranded things. There's an open source product I've been testing ... DBDesigner by fabForce. Not too bad, but I haven't really stretched it so far. www.fabforce.net Ciao Fuzzy :-) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: ER Tools (was: erwin)
FWIW, the cheap-o tool that I'm probably going to recommend is CASE Studio 2 from http://www.casestudio.com/enu/default.aspx The Lite version (US patents don't apply in Germany) is only US $165 for the first user and US $50 for additional users. And those prices include e-mail support and updates. It seems to work well enough for us. Not all the bells and whistles (reverse engineering is another $177 for the first user), but enough for us to get started in data modeling. Shouldn't a list of these tools be in an Oracle FAQ somewheres? There's enough threads on the subject... Thx! Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Jesse, Rich Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: ER Tools (was: erwin) Interesting tool, complete with reverse-engineering, and it's GPL'd. I'd really like it if it did crow's foot, though. But the website does say to use the big ER tools for conceptual modeling. Rich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: ER Tools (was: erwin)
I gave DBdesigner a bit of a test reverse engineering a fairly decent size database I am working on and it kept crashing after loading a bunch of the tables, seemed that i might have exceeded a limit of it handling large database structures. The schema has 470 tables in it That wont stop me using it as it seems to do a very nice diagram ran it against the 9i HR schema to see what it can do Now all i have top do is work out how to do subsets of the schema Cheers -- = Peter McLarty E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical ConsultantWWW: http://www.mincom.com APAC Technical Services Phone: +61 (0)7 3303 3461 Brisbane, AustraliaMobile: +61 (0)402 094 238 Facsimile: +61 (0)7 3303 3048 = A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. - Walter Bagehot (1826-1877 British Economist) = Mincom The People, The Experience, The Vision = This transmission is for the intended addressee only and is confidential information. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it and notify the sender. The contents of this e-mail are the opinion of the writer only and are not endorsed by the Mincom Group of companies unless expressly stated otherwise. Jesse, Rich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09-07-2003 02:09 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: ER Tools (was: erwin) Interesting tool, complete with reverse-engineering, and it's GPL'd. I'd really like it if it did crow's foot, though. But the website does say to use the big ER tools for conceptual modeling. Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Grant Allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 3:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: ER Tools (was: erwin) SDesigner became PowerDesigner when Sybase bought/rebranded things. There's an open source product I've been testing ... DBDesigner by fabForce. Not too bad, but I haven't really stretched it so far. www.fabforce.net Ciao Fuzzy :-) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: ER Tools (was: erwin)
Last time we purchased ERWin (a number of years ago in a previous life) it was around $4k, IIRC. You might want to check out ER Studio by Embarcadero, although it's not cheap either. --Walt Weaver Bozeman, Montana -Original Message- From: Jesse, Rich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 1:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: ER Tools (was: erwin) Anyone care to ballpark a $$$ on the registered version of ERwin? I'm guessing it's expensive, and Computer ASSociates doesn't exactly trip my trigger. I'm trying to find a low-cost ER tool in order to get some simple data modeling done. So far, this is what I've found (VERY briefly): 1) Visio. Needs Enterprise edition. The UI is a pain, as far as I'm concerned. Pain, pain, pain. Cheapest viable option so far at less than $500/user. It can be used for more than just data modeling. 2) Oracle 9iDS. Hugely bloated. Relies on a 3GB (minimum) repository for some stupid reason. Apparently can't buy just Designer, which is all we need. Difficult to get started (concepts and management of workspace, container). Slow on a 2.4Ghz PC w/512MB RAM, although this may be due to me having to create the [EMAIL PROTECTED] repository DB on the same PC. Very comprehensive, though, from what I've seen. Can't access drawings from the OS, since they're (probably) in the repository. 3) No freeware tools such as dia, VisioModeler (pre-MS version of Visio), OpenOffice, or Koffice seemed to be able to draw crow's foot diagrams. 4) Sybase PowerBuilder. Didn't check out the download yet, although a demo of an older version (v6) seems like it would work. Not impressed with Sybase in general and it's probably in the $1Ks/user. 5) Data Architect from TheKompany.com only does physical modelling and their Kivio product doesn't seem to support crow's foot. 6) DeZign from datanamic.com. Haven't downloaded the demo yet, but the single screenshot looks promising. And at $149/user or $119/user for 10 licenses, I'm hoping... I've been looking thru past messages found on orafaq.com (better searching than fatcity.com) and this is the majority of what I've been able to find. Anyone have more to add? Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Jay Wade [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 9:49 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: erwin hello: The below has info about the product: http://www3.ca.com/Solutions/Product.asp?ID=260 The below has the download link: http://www3.ca.com/Solutions/Collateral.asp?CID=33655ID=260 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: erwin Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 04:54:25 -0800 How can I found a trial version of erwin Danke... Arslan. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Weaver, Walt INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: ER Tools (was: erwin)
There was a Tool I used in the past, Sdesigner, simple to use. Also if all you need is an older version of Designer, what you could always do is buy one of the books that bundle with a copy of developer 2.1 or 6i. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 1:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Anyone care to ballpark a $$$ on the registered version of ERwin? I'm guessing it's expensive, and Computer ASSociates doesn't exactly trip my trigger. I'm trying to find a low-cost ER tool in order to get some simple data modeling done. So far, this is what I've found (VERY briefly): 1) Visio. Needs Enterprise edition. The UI is a pain, as far as I'm concerned. Pain, pain, pain. Cheapest viable option so far at less than $500/user. It can be used for more than just data modeling. 2) Oracle 9iDS. Hugely bloated. Relies on a 3GB (minimum) repository for some stupid reason. Apparently can't buy just Designer, which is all we need. Difficult to get started (concepts and management of workspace, container). Slow on a 2.4Ghz PC w/512MB RAM, although this may be due to me having to create the [EMAIL PROTECTED] repository DB on the same PC. Very comprehensive, though, from what I've seen. Can't access drawings from the OS, since they're (probably) in the repository. 3) No freeware tools such as dia, VisioModeler (pre-MS version of Visio), OpenOffice, or Koffice seemed to be able to draw crow's foot diagrams. 4) Sybase PowerBuilder. Didn't check out the download yet, although a demo of an older version (v6) seems like it would work. Not impressed with Sybase in general and it's probably in the $1Ks/user. 5) Data Architect from TheKompany.com only does physical modelling and their Kivio product doesn't seem to support crow's foot. 6) DeZign from datanamic.com. Haven't downloaded the demo yet, but the single screenshot looks promising. And at $149/user or $119/user for 10 licenses, I'm hoping... I've been looking thru past messages found on orafaq.com (better searching than fatcity.com) and this is the majority of what I've been able to find. Anyone have more to add? Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Jay Wade [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 9:49 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: erwin hello: The below has info about the product: http://www3.ca.com/Solutions/Product.asp?ID=260 The below has the download link: http://www3.ca.com/Solutions/Collateral.asp?CID=33655ID=260 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: erwin Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 04:54:25 -0800 How can I found a trial version of erwin Danke... Arslan. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Luis deUrioste INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: ER Tools (was: erwin)
I asked CA a sales rep couple of months ago regarding the pricing for ERwin. If memory serves me correctly, it was in the neighborhood of 3 to 5k per user license. Also, I worked briefly with Sybase Power Designer and think it is fairly impressive. Or maybe it has been incorporated into PowerBuilder as no. 4 on your list? Embarcadero ER Studio is another serious contender in this arena, you might want to check it out. I don't know how much it costs, but I don't think its that expensive. Dennis -Original Message- Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Anyone care to ballpark a $$$ on the registered version of ERwin? I'm guessing it's expensive, and Computer ASSociates doesn't exactly trip my trigger. I'm trying to find a low-cost ER tool in order to get some simple data modeling done. So far, this is what I've found (VERY briefly): 1) Visio. Needs Enterprise edition. The UI is a pain, as far as I'm concerned. Pain, pain, pain. Cheapest viable option so far at less than $500/user. It can be used for more than just data modeling. 2) Oracle 9iDS. Hugely bloated. Relies on a 3GB (minimum) repository for some stupid reason. Apparently can't buy just Designer, which is all we need. Difficult to get started (concepts and management of workspace, container). Slow on a 2.4Ghz PC w/512MB RAM, although this may be due to me having to create the [EMAIL PROTECTED] repository DB on the same PC. Very comprehensive, though, from what I've seen. Can't access drawings from the OS, since they're (probably) in the repository. 3) No freeware tools such as dia, VisioModeler (pre-MS version of Visio), OpenOffice, or Koffice seemed to be able to draw crow's foot diagrams. 4) Sybase PowerBuilder. Didn't check out the download yet, although a demo of an older version (v6) seems like it would work. Not impressed with Sybase in general and it's probably in the $1Ks/user. 5) Data Architect from TheKompany.com only does physical modelling and their Kivio product doesn't seem to support crow's foot. 6) DeZign from datanamic.com. Haven't downloaded the demo yet, but the single screenshot looks promising. And at $149/user or $119/user for 10 licenses, I'm hoping... I've been looking thru past messages found on orafaq.com (better searching than fatcity.com) and this is the majority of what I've been able to find. Anyone have more to add? Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Jay Wade [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 9:49 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: erwin hello: The below has info about the product: http://www3.ca.com/Solutions/Product.asp?ID=260 The below has the download link: http://www3.ca.com/Solutions/Collateral.asp?CID=33655ID=260 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: erwin Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 04:54:25 -0800 How can I found a trial version of erwin Danke... Arslan. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Meng, Dennis INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: ER Tools (was: erwin)
Embarcadero ERStudio --- Jesse, Rich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone care to ballpark a $$$ on the registered version of ERwin? I'm guessing it's expensive, and Computer ASSociates doesn't exactly trip my trigger. I'm trying to find a low-cost ER tool in order to get some simple data modeling done. So far, this is what I've found (VERY briefly): 1) Visio. Needs Enterprise edition. The UI is a pain, as far as I'm concerned. Pain, pain, pain. Cheapest viable option so far at less than $500/user. It can be used for more than just data modeling. 2) Oracle 9iDS. Hugely bloated. Relies on a 3GB (minimum) repository for some stupid reason. Apparently can't buy just Designer, which is all we need. Difficult to get started (concepts and management of workspace, container). Slow on a 2.4Ghz PC w/512MB RAM, although this may be due to me having to create the [EMAIL PROTECTED] repository DB on the same PC. Very comprehensive, though, from what I've seen. Can't access drawings from the OS, since they're (probably) in the repository. 3) No freeware tools such as dia, VisioModeler (pre-MS version of Visio), OpenOffice, or Koffice seemed to be able to draw crow's foot diagrams. 4) Sybase PowerBuilder. Didn't check out the download yet, although a demo of an older version (v6) seems like it would work. Not impressed with Sybase in general and it's probably in the $1Ks/user. 5) Data Architect from TheKompany.com only does physical modelling and their Kivio product doesn't seem to support crow's foot. 6) DeZign from datanamic.com. Haven't downloaded the demo yet, but the single screenshot looks promising. And at $149/user or $119/user for 10 licenses, I'm hoping... I've been looking thru past messages found on orafaq.com (better searching than fatcity.com) and this is the majority of what I've been able to find. Anyone have more to add? Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Jay Wade [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 9:49 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: erwin hello: The below has info about the product: http://www3.ca.com/Solutions/Product.asp?ID=260 The below has the download link: http://www3.ca.com/Solutions/Collateral.asp?CID=33655ID=260 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: erwin Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 04:54:25 -0800 How can I found a trial version of erwin Danke... Arslan. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: ER Tools (was: erwin)
I work for quest so obviously my recommendation should be taken with a grain of salt but Qdesigner is available for trial download and the purchase price can be seen online. http://quest.com/qdesigner/ -Original Message- From: Jesse, Rich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: lundi, 7. juillet 2003 12:29 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: ER Tools (was: erwin) Anyone care to ballpark a $$$ on the registered version of ERwin? I'm guessing it's expensive, and Computer ASSociates doesn't exactly trip my trigger. I'm trying to find a low-cost ER tool in order to get some simple data modeling done. So far, this is what I've found (VERY briefly): 1) Visio. Needs Enterprise edition. The UI is a pain, as far as I'm concerned. Pain, pain, pain. Cheapest viable option so far at less than $500/user. It can be used for more than just data modeling. 2) Oracle 9iDS. Hugely bloated. Relies on a 3GB (minimum) repository for some stupid reason. Apparently can't buy just Designer, which is all we need. Difficult to get started (concepts and management of workspace, container). Slow on a 2.4Ghz PC w/512MB RAM, although this may be due to me having to create the [EMAIL PROTECTED] repository DB on the same PC. Very comprehensive, though, from what I've seen. Can't access drawings from the OS, since they're (probably) in the repository. 3) No freeware tools such as dia, VisioModeler (pre-MS version of Visio), OpenOffice, or Koffice seemed to be able to draw crow's foot diagrams. 4) Sybase PowerBuilder. Didn't check out the download yet, although a demo of an older version (v6) seems like it would work. Not impressed with Sybase in general and it's probably in the $1Ks/user. 5) Data Architect from TheKompany.com only does physical modelling and their Kivio product doesn't seem to support crow's foot. 6) DeZign from datanamic.com. Haven't downloaded the demo yet, but the single screenshot looks promising. And at $149/user or $119/user for 10 licenses, I'm hoping... I've been looking thru past messages found on orafaq.com (better searching than fatcity.com) and this is the majority of what I've been able to find. Anyone have more to add? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jacques Kilchoer INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
